cEDH IS GETTING FASTER WITH TABLETOP JOCKS

[@kylehill]

Re: The Nadu Problem How many land drops do you need with scute out (if that's the win on-board) to, without interaction, draw your deck (and therefore you don't have to keep track of triggers). Assuming minimum of scute, 6th land, shuko etc., and nadu on the board. Library will have maximum of 91 cards left (it will be less because of your hand and the turn, but this is maximum). So when does scute triggers >= 91? 91=2*(2^x) x = more than 5 (5.50), so at least 6 land drops with scute out. So the 6th Nadu land flip with first scute in play WILL allow you to draw your deck and put all lands in your deck into play untapped just with all the potential triggers you will have. So! Maybe a shortcut we could agree upon would be to say, with win on board and no interaction "I'm trying to hit at least 6 lands, and from there I will finale with all the lands in my deck and between 50 and 150 million +X/+X scutes. Or cast thoracle." this is my quick contribution to Winged Wisdom (TM)

[@ianstafford8045]

GOAT

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

THAT's insane magic players are so smart. I don't quite understand how that makes sense cause what if you hit a clump of spells in a row in the beginning, but I don't need to understand it cause kyle hill does

[@Adam-fn3ed]

I think what Kyle is saying is that once you hit your 6th land from Nadu triggers, there are enough Scutes to guarantee enough Nadu triggers to put your whole deck into your hand and all your lands into play. Long story short, if you can trigger Nadu and get 6 more lands into play, it's a guaranteed win

[@nitramreniar]

@@PlaytoWinMTG That is exactly the fail case he's talking about, which is why you should play it out to that point. Once you have had 6 landfall triggers with Scute Swarm making copies of itself, you will have enough targets to get Nadu triggers off of to go through every card in your deck. So at that point you can factually shortcut to "I have all my lands in play, all my spells in hand and (almost certainly) an unreasonable number of Scute Swarm tokens" and just explain your win from there.

[@slottmachine]

Interesting! The chance of victory is still absurdly high by the time you hit your 5th copy-all-scute-swarms landfall trigger (32 scute swarms + nadu himself = 66 nadu triggers minimum total for the turn, with at least 32 nadu triggers remaining to occur from the 16 new scutes), but by the 6th time you double your swarm, you can draw your whole deck, even if somehow there’s no more landfall triggers at all (64 scute swarms + nadu = 130 nadu triggers total for the turn). Thanks a ton!

[@bundung123]

14mins and we get 2 games holy

[@muditjohar5323]

The 2 games finished in 12 mins. The other 2 mins was pattern stuff

[@mczyk17]

Matching PWP's old output, hell yeah

[@TSB_Benji]

I saw the time and thought “wait, it hasn’t been… okay, I ain’t complaining”

[@DeterminedCuriosity]

At one point I saw Dylan tapped his land and his Chrome Mox in opposite directions and it absolutely tripped me out. I thought I was hallucinating

[@angelodegiule1753]

I’m glad I’m not the only one

[@pwoo581]

Love to see Joe get stomped a little , lot of his gameplay he brings overpowered decks to casual pods. Now he brings a casual deck to a cedh game

[@AlsoNamedChad]

He always goes back on deals and never hesitates to get salty. By far my least favorite Magic personality.

[@haamgamer07]

your animus is unbecoming

[@elliotbanbury6442]

I was gonna say the same thing, he honestly only seems to have one power level

[@kavfulmer]

@@AlsoNamedChad 100%. Some great schadenfreude this game.

[@DabbleDo]

Came here to say this. Glad other people think this guy is a jabroni. He used to constantly go to battle with commenters of his games, was not a good look

[@Canadians360]

I think we need to start asking for minutes of gameplay or turns taken, absolute slam dunk games lol.

[@xGranmargx]

I believe the tiny number at the top-middle of the screen is the turn count.

[@jacadivazquez5776]

It is ​@@xGranmargx

[@joshuaponce7937]

Thanks for the game two, it always is a feels bad when my favorite channel only has one 9 minute game than I have to wait a week for the next one

[@karbonkeldiedonk]

Seems like it'd be easier to keep track of the nadu triggers by equipping to the same creature twice in a row

[@khub5660]

One could also turn them upside-down after resolving their trigger twice

[@sapph1regold]

Or just use a similar system to what they used at PT Nadu, honestly

[@manhattanblockade8544]

If any of the equipment gives shroud you need to flip flop

[@hahayes1072]

It’s scary when Cameron just stares directly into the camera, soullessly, while Dylan talks

[@tomdoetsch8603]

I’m not a big CEDH fan, but I love this channel for the energy and enthusiasm of the guys!

[@tribbott]

The best gameplay for Codie and Nadu I have seen to date. Good job guys!

[@GaryAsphodel]

Thanks for the content! I don’t play anymore but this is still my favorite mtg channel and will always support you guys

[@Synced_OW]

Finally seeing Joe on a show and knowing that they aren't overpowering the table

[@TabletopJocks]

@@Synced_OW every show I’m on we rule 0 so if you think I’m purposely trying to overthrow the table you need to rethink that. Plus you aren’t there for the conversation so don’t assume things you don’t know. Just a word of advice 😉

[@xxxzeroxxx8406]

​@@TabletopJocks I don't understand why people keep putting words in your mouth, Joe. I've seen a lot of unfair Commander games on KZbin, and frankly, it comes with the format itself. It's inherently flawed, and there will always be a huge disparity between said games. Having said that, it's less about the decks and more about the player, to be honest. You can have a "fair" deck, and still play like a piece of shit, or have a super powerful deck and still play in a fair and enjoyable game. It's too hard to judge a game of commander on the outside to be honest. I am not saying I haven't seen you bring a too powerful deck to the table, but it's not your fault. If people simply don't care and are chill about the power disparity, then so be it. Thats what people simply can't grasp, I guess. I agree it sometimes look pretty whack on camera, so I guess a good way to combat this is just to state that "yes we did rule 0 this game, stfu" or something as a intro would be something, at least then they can't constantly blame you for something that is outside of your control. Just voicing my thoughts ^^

[@jax099]

@@TabletopJocks lol

[@Synced_OW]

@@TabletopJocks did I say that? I was pointing out the majority of the time you generally overpower the table. Just because you talked beforehand about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen in your games. I watch most of your videos and enjoy them but often you are ahead of the table by leaps and bounds.

[@TabletopJocks]

@@Synced_OW so then offer it up by saying I build good decks and not that I’m trying to overthrow the table. I appreciate you watching for sure but the way it came off made it seem like I’m trying to sneak in a better deck than my opponents when that’s never the case. Just wanted to be clear what your intentions were that’s all. We’re good.

[@FallInCS]

oh no, a game with manipuneto...

[@sherlockfury]

3:13 Cam shows his hand 😁

[@iPhoneeditor]

Rite of Flame + a Sol land is wild haha. Good games guys!

[@charlesmaillho367]

Isn't Blackneto the guy who is incredibly toxic when the smallest thing doesn't go his way? Like why bring a creature deck to a cEDH pod with a Nadu and a Codie? It's good to see his spirit get broken twice in one video too.

[@ninomusician]

Yes exactly. That's the same guy who was toxic AF all over the discord and it's unfortunate that The other half of ihyd was also trash and it overshadowed what Joe has done but let it be known they're both trash. I even commented something about that on a KZbin video of his about a year ago. And he called me an incel lol good times

[@scaevola]

best part is that he’s probably writing a reply to your comment right now

[@TabletopJocks]

@@ninomusician it’s always about “what” you commented. If that was my response just think about what you said to illicit such a response. You have to give respect in order to get it. Live your best life though. ✌🏾

[@TabletopJocks]

@@charlesmaillho367 you apparently have a narrative in your own head about me that you want to believe. You can continue that or actually get to know me and see for yourself. It is what it is 😂 I don’t know why people have a grudge against me when they won’t even reach out to settle it. If you have a person problem then hit my DMs and let’s resolve it. If not just keep it moving.

[@ninomusician]

Wow. You nailed it​@@scaevola

[@OvenfreshDeth]

Codie: "Hold my beer"

[@burnzee___1742]

Thank ya guys, I feel heard appreciate it!

[@alanschellenberger9356]

the meta speeding up creates this weird responsibility where blue players kind of have to look for interaction or else they might not even untap after casting their t2 value engines. it's kind of great for the parasitic non-blue decks (that arent turbo) that get to sit there and capitalize off the blue players being forced to police the turbo players

[@juice17776]

in theory. but these games show that you have a big weakness to turbo decks when you're on a non-blue midrange plan. if joe was playing blue he may have been able to stop cam or dylan in either of those games, instead had to rely on the other two players to have it.

[@eriklarson6362]

Like magda!

[@alanschellenberger9356]

@@juice17776 definitely. I've been jamming Mardu a lot lately and my favorite pods have one or two blue players trying to hold back a rog si while I get to just grind value and silence them after rogsi gets stopped. So I am very dependent on either blue police, mulling for fast wins, or something like an early ranger captain that can hold back the turbo player. Orims chant has been a nice tempo silence tool

[@msolace580]

no its worse for non blue now,

[@willsams8401]

I feel like these two creature-based combos highlight the opposite--these combos could be policed by non-blue decks in a way that more traditional spell-based decks never could. Swords, Path, Dismember, Rollick, Cut Down (for Codie), Fatal Push, Snuff Out, Fury, Solitude, and Flare of Malice are all 0 or 1-cost removals that could deal with those creatures outside of blue. Not to mention the huge amount of cheap artifact hate that could hit Codie. CEDH is always going to be combo-heavy, but a proliferation of creature-based combos makes it more possible than ever for colors other than blue to police them. It just means that people actually have to start bringing that interaction, and stop playing decks that have 20 ways to counter instants and 2 creature removals (if that) like was popular in cEDH for a while.

[@frankcasares7864]

We get a zombie and a fuck ton of scute swarms! 😂🔥 love it Cam! As a fellow Nadu player this was a thing of beauty, very well played and clutch misty rainforest

[@FluxRevived]

Just wanted to pop in and say thank you guys for blessing us with 2 episodes 🥺

[@jasonlevesque6340]

Thats a sweet Nightman Cometh shirt

[@peeporiot9948]

It would be cool to see you so some sort of tournament where you have different "regions" like stax, ad naus, ballista, etc. Then crown the best deck based off who wins the tournament

[@eco3337]

I identify entirely with the shampoo conversation as a man growing out his hair.

[@PartZebra]

Dang, great showings from Nadu and Codie! Well done boys!

[@RXDmedias]

How to beat nadu? Win before turn 2. Why didn't I think of that!😅 Thanks Dylan!

[@kismet333music]

Love how there’s 2 games. U guys should do that more often 😁

[@ThaddeusMike]

I'm wondering what Brandon's plan was game 1. He talked like he had interaction, was it a bluff or was it something that worked against Codie but not Nadu? Either way I'd love to know. I don't see what Joe's deck does and I don't see a primer. Is it just using Voja as a value engine+beatstick to set up an infinite mana combo (presumably Dockside but maybe Selvala + Staff of Domination) with something like Mirror Entity or Terror of the Peaks as an outlet?

[@buddyvanpeer]

Voja deck is just a high-power commander deck that he thought could hang in cEDH because it can stomp a casual pod.

[@Shmackle123]

Oh God... The demon hound has finally broken containment. Also, that name is god tier.

[@gunkster]

"the commander wotc forgot to test" is so funny now thag we know its literally true

[@ashwind6408]

Loved seeing the second game, those were both bangers

[@PrimeShifter]

Oh wow, I’ve never known a bar soap to do well for hair

[@franslair2199]

12:14 JUDGE! You have to name a card that could legally be in your deck

[@matthewcapaldi]

@@franslair2199 I mean, you are supposed to name a card, but it does not have to be one that could legally be in your deck, just one that actually exists. Like, you could be playing an Esper commander and name a red card, I always use Godo, Bandit Warlord in my Zur deck for example.

[@BLHJ]

@@matthewcapaldi Yes but it does have to be legal in the format you are playing

[@nebDDa]

@@BLHJno it does not, demonic consultation says “choose a card name.” the only stipulation is that you name a real magic card

[@yvesmathis5651]

201.3. If an effect instructs a player to name a card, the player must choose the name of a card that exists in the Oracle card reference (see rule 108.1) and is legal in the format of the game the player is playing. (See rule 100.6.) If the player wants to name a split card, the player must choose the name of one of its halves, but not both. (See rule 708.) If the player wants to name a flip cardís alternative name, the player may do so. (See rule 709.) If the player wants to name the back face of a double-faced card, the player may do so. (See rule 711.) A player may not choose the name of a token unless itís also the name of a card. I searched for it for short - just that you know. Look at the advanced rules pls before you try to spread missinformation.

[@d13g0_ul]

This is my pre game action!

[@drdotts8878]

Love seeing these games, nadu is hilariously broken haha

[@chrisdowd657]

@2:09 how does cam get another trigger off of Nadu? he only has one creature on board and already equipped Nadu

[@eliabellavista01]

You can equip an equipment to the already equipped creature, only lightning Greaves is a problem because shroud👍🏻

[@matthewcapaldi]

702.6a Equip is an activated ability of Equipment cards. “Equip [cost]” means “[Cost]: Attach this permanent to target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.” What part of that says you can't target the same creature twice in a row? Or that it can't target a creature that the item is already attached to?

[@Casual_BackPacking]

Now we demand 3 games a video ! 😂

[@amarauk9687]

The problem with nadu is not that it is too busted, but the fact that you have to go through 30 mins turns until you have the finisher line Fuck that shit

[@pepdawg18]

Would love to see a Chatterfang deck in play some time ;)

[@Akodo25]

Both of those decks showed out this week

[@Freddy_da_fox]

Where the heck can I get those cards to track the Mana! Awesome Idea!

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

The epic storm!

[@fallsenseless9699]

@@PlaytoWinMTGis the epic storm a website or on etsy? Im also curious how to grab.

[@Freddy_da_fox]

Thanks dudes! Your the best 🙏

[@charlesplass]

yeah I think the format is getting faster in the advantage piece meta we are in. rog si on top babyyy

[@Bspiek2]

Where can I get those mana cards Dylan was using? The ones he was using to signify his floating mana.

[@FootOfDOOM]

Just off the little logo I would guess that it is from the EPIC storm KZbin channel. I think he has a website where he sells stuff like that.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

It is the epic storm!

[@Bspiek2]

@@PlaytoWinMTG Thank you! I will go check them out.

[@ioannidis2447]

awesome game play I like the second one more tho rl fun to watch

[@deadNdivine12]

Still not surprised Cam is the one playing Nadu.. he does seem like that kinda guy haha.

[@ToastimusPrime]

How to beat Nadu: Don’t play Naya in cEDH

[@jasonandrews1770]

Has anyone tried fractured identity in codie? Play to pop your own codie, all your oponents get a copy and are unable to cast permanent spells anymore. Seems potentially disruptive

[@Asturjgm]

Ah yes the best counter to Nadu, win before it hits the board

[@Maulet218]

Hi! is tymna|kraum decklist missing on moxfield link?

[@Itachi__Uchiha]

Someone was paid real money to design Nadu. Pay me wizards I'll make you a lot of Nadus.

[@tristanjones5579]

Ik it’s not likely but could we get a Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain game?

[@Modesty115]

Insane hand for game 2

[@anonymoususer5351]

Can Cam equip his Mantle twice onto Nadu with no other creatures in play? Once it's equipped you cant activate its equip ability again right? Or am i wrong about that

[@mikes3667]

How does Cam activate Nash’s ability twice with the equipment at the beginning?

[@esllegend437]

U can requip an equipment to a creature already equipped, the only one in his deck he can’t do that with is greaves because of shroud

[@mczyk17]

Yo imagine if cam's first game turn 1 also had shuko??? Could've actually just been over immediately

[@funsponge9099]

the fact that nadu is so fast, good, consistent and non deterministic surely it gets banned

[@jorona11]

I'd love to know the song that's playing from 10:30-12:00, riffs are so dope. Also great video as usual, dudes!

[@jackfruscalzo3117]

i know that black lotus is easy to name but its actually not a legal name in the format as its not legal and with demoinic con you must name a legal card for the format

[@BigHat501]

Those cards you used for the floating mana with codie are awesome! Where did you get them?

[@freerunner1953]

The Epic Storm tokens

[@BigHat501]

@@freerunner1953 thank you

[@Boxytheturtle]

Nadu scute swarm is fucking comedy Would also love to see some yuriko again

[@hipposlapper]

You guys are awesome

[@Chefvonbreezy]

Played against nadu the other day and the guy was mad that i countered it 3 times out the gate. But youre not bouta resolve no nadu over me nooooo sir

[@g4greed502]

Cedh players when their deck doesn't do anything without their commander (drannith magistrate is great against these players)

[@scuffedwizard]

It seems like the broken bird is indeed broken 🦜

[@TheGirthiestSausage]

Could be wrong but @2:25 when cam only had nadu out you can’t unequip nadu that’s already attached to the umbra mantle and get a second trigger if nadu is the only creatures equipment don’t have an unequip then re equip unless it says so or unless you have another creature to attach it too

[@ummtone]

I noticed that too - I was trying to figure out how the second trigger occur on Nadu, but I think it was just a misplay

[@willsams8401]

You don't have to "unequip" something to equip it. The full rules of equip is "Attach this permanent to target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.” (Rule 702.6a). That's it--it just has to be a creature you control. No restriction about not being able to target the creature already equipped by it. It may not make in-universe sense to pick up a sword you're already holding, but plenty of interactions have little wonky parts like that. But it's definitely not a mistake or misplay. The only time you can't do that is with Lightning Greaves, because it gives the creature shroud and makes it untargetable.

[@TheGirthiestSausage]

@@willsams8401 yes but he had no other creature at the time to move the equipment over and back again that was the confusion

[@alexduea]

Wild games this day!

[@mindashy8030]

Dang! If games are gonna be this busted, maybe let's get 3? X3

[@SCADU-MAXXING]

Blackneto still salty as usual I see 😂

[@csPOthr33cs]

He literally can't play magic without getting salty 😂😂

[@SCADU-MAXXING]

@csPOthr33cs Plot twist: play to win did a Galaxy brain move where they invited him on just to pubstomp the pubstomper. I'm like 90% sure I remember Joe playing this exact deck against a casual pod on a casual EDH channel last year.

[@oneupper666]

Any game he is in is unwatchable

[@TabletopJocks]

@@SCADU-MAXXING who’s salty? Y’all swear I’m telling you 🤣

[@TabletopJocks]

@@csPOthr33cs literally never played a game or met me before but you know my every feeling? Don’t assume. You know what they say about that 😉

[@alaya1347]

Great games. Btw, I don't think Cam going to 38 off his breeding pool was shown

[@alsaker13]

Man I was excited to see a Voja deck oh well maybe some othe time

[@gspoiler]

Nadu aRRRGHHHH equipper of the umbra aRRGGHHHH he comes out on turn one.

[@nerdynoctowl7268]

Anyone notice how Cam never took the damage for breeding pool?

[@rogerrabbit132]

Where did Dylan get those floating mana tokens?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

The epic storm!

[@Hamsterlovin]

Codie just seems fun.

[@n3rd4lif38]

Is confounding conundrum cedh viable now? 😆

[@official_uhu]

i feel so heard! thank you, you awesome mofos! i freakin love you

[@lukassabo7426]

Loved that we got 2 games!

[@zachrossi3590]

LOVE Codie games!

[@isaacrobertson4374]

What was blue farm doing game one 💀

[@dizzyspell8197]

Good to see that Joe still has his bad habits that got him booted from IHYD

[@sarusvalley]

from now on we need 3 games boys :-)

[@DuelMasterTresdin]

I'd be embarrassed if i brought that voja deck, deserved pair of losses

[@artemused4363]

inb4 the reply from Joe

[@Jurre-Brouwer]

Ia there another way to win with this codie deck? It looks cool!

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Thoracle, brain freeze opponents or mnemonic betrayal finding. Win out of opponents yard

[@subarubrent]

GAME 3!!!!!!

[@LucasRoth42]

yo Dylan show some hype for Eloy - dope shirt

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

ELOY IS INCREDIBLE AND IM SO HAPPY EVERY TIME I WATCH HIM PLAY

[@bloodwire0]

NADUUUUUUUUUUUU SHUKOS UP BOIZ

[@TheRDRipley]

The slipknot shirt is DOPE! Love it!

[@TripsAhoy]

Nice games. ❤❤❤

[@MichaelMurdockArt]

Someone explain to me profane tutor and Codie. Why doesn't it have the suspend counters on it?

[@ianstafford8045]

he cast it with Codie ability bc it technically has less than 1 mana, so he gets to skip the suspend part since he isn't activating the suspend ability on the card

[@MrZoichi]

How to beat Nadu: Turbo out Demonic Thassa-tation on turn 2. 😂 I love cEDH.

[@akatsuki9GuY]

at 2:10 , can you unequip umbral mantle with only one creature in play? I thought equipment had to be equipped to another creature to get it unequipped.

[@funnyapples2717]

I don't think you can 😬

[@akatsuki9GuY]

@@funnyapples2717 Looking more I think it was activating the equip to target Nadu, doesn't do anything but counts as a target still.

[@burnsboy101]

@@akatsuki9GuYthe only one this doesn’t work with ls ones that give shroud

[@itzDrexzyyy]

Probably a dumb quiestion but doesn’t profane tutor suspend for 2 upkeeps? How are you using it to search straight away , am i missing something? Lol

[@KohrnTucsin]

Ho-lee Great plays, awesome decks! I love all of these🔥🔥

[@izaya-ishigame69vi_eh22]

Will there be a restock of colored gold saber tooth playmats 🥹?

[@djnowickiwicki]

Surprised Broly didn't get the blackface treatment as well. 😂😂😂

[@richardvaughan9685]

#BanTheBird

[@thomascox3213]

Cam played Nadu illegally not his ability, only triggers twice return, and he already got two triggers off of it. He played illegally.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

When do you think that happened?

[@rowrow_]

32 cards off Ad Nauseam, with a starting life total of 37 and a final life total of 4.

[@TabletopJocks]

Thanks for having me! Now we gotta get y’all over to TTJ for the live!!! If y’all gonna be in Vegas let’s make it happen! Thanks for the good times as always! 🙌🏾

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Anytime! We ARE going to be in Vegas…hmmm

[@masterseaturtle6913]

1:00

[@izzyskeemy]

*lesss goooo TableTopJocks Babyy And Play To Win* 💯💯💯💯