How to Kswap an Mr2 Spyder EP2: Is the K20a better than the Toyota 2zz? Is it worth the extra cost?

[@JesseSpec]

After seing this video, what would you chose? 2zz swap or k20swap? Comment below!

[@musicdream4749]

2GR FE

[@JesseSpec]

@@musicdream4749 hahaha of course 😂

[@johnnyk5]

2zz 2.0 stroker from MWR with 12.3:1 pistons or I’d go whole-hog and swap a 07k from a mk5/mk6 Volkswagen

[@JesseSpec]

@@johnnyk5 sounds like a challenge to do the VW one hahaha

[@torew01]

Supercharged 2ZZ. It's already in my garage. Guess I'll let the VVTL-I open at lower revs, as well as the supercharger kicking in a bit lower.

[@johnnyloveee]

I’m a Toyota die hard, I don’t care if the k20 is leagues better. The 2zz has a place in the tuning scene. Can’t wait to supercharge mine!

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for your comment! I am one too (even a former employee of Toyota 😂). I do love the 2zz engine but make sure to make it more reliable if you plan to drive on the track ;-)

[@DimoS...]

Is reliable for track driving mate just need another oil pan, thats it!

[@JesseSpec]

@@DimoS... they are getting old hahaha. Probably good to rebuild and have a soft limiter for reliability

[@irfymx6703]

I have a 2zz supercharger for sale

[@supers0nic77]

Toyota does factory engine swaps now

[@Zeriel00]

The advantage of the 2ZZ is that is easy to swap, relatively cheap, and relatively light weight, but the K series are superior engines in every other way.

[@JesseSpec]

That somes it up pretty well! 🔥👍🏼

[@Zeriel00]

@@JesseSpec Thanks! :D I was all in on getting a K engine over a 2ZZ, then I saw the prices plus all the extra parts you need lol. The 2ZZ is a great engine but the power gain are not that big for the money, around 160HP to the wheels I believe. So I'm thinking about boosting the 1ZZ instead, a lot less complicated and you can get quite a bit of HP from it. I would get the piston rods and bearings if you want to go over 220HP though but considering how light weight the Spyder is 220 should be a good number to shoot for.

[@JesseSpec]

@@Zeriel00 thats also a way of doing it 😊👍🏼

[@mauriziobezzina3378]

@@Zeriel00 i m in your same dilemma but we have to consider reliability , turbo engines are fun but at a more price and more complicated

[@joshuaogden8446]

Why not just bore and sleeve the 2ZZ to a 2.0. With a refresh I'm sure it can be competitive

[@vizualmrs]

Great comparison. Appreciate you taking your time and showing us dyno sheets of modded vs stock 2zz and k20. And vise versa. No one else ever did that before. There is great potential in those engines. One is definitely more affordable and easy to work on then the other. But the extra work that the k20 brings, of course brings way more powaa and VTEC! This also gives the 2zz a whole new respect and limelight. In reality kswap will be the best swap if you want to modify heavy and raw but it's more expensive and more work. A 2zz is easier to swap, the numbers aren't insane but when modified some it's a solid swap and passing that 200hp is possible In the end the mr-s is a super light car and both swaps will be worth it . people need to realize this is a 1.8l and k20 is 2.0. and they're producing similar numbers until k20 is fully modded and tuned. Makes me imagine if the 2zz was only 2.0L?? :O I'll go 2zz swap for the simplicity sake. Toyota reliability. And keeping the mr-s Toyota. In the end you can always turbo mr-s 2zz and maybe still will be cheaper then k20 😂

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for your comment! You Exactly understand my point in regards to the 2zz. As a street car, the 2zz is awesome and probably the better choice for price and ease of the work. As a true racecar, you need to do the same mods on both engines to make them reliable, so I guess going K20 is my choice.

[@shroomiestshroom3655]

A few points to this, if you go the k20 route there is a lot of custom fab work that needs done, engine mount, intake, manifold and exhaust, wiring loom, i'm assuming you would also need custom length drive shafts also, this adds a lot of cost on. Probably the same amount it would cost to add a decent turbo kit and ecu to the 2zz, so your going to get more power for your money going with a 2zz as it's pretty much a straight swap for the mr-s, no extra fab work or costs and you can spend that money on improving the engine instead. If it was going to be a drag strip or 1 mile car i would spend the extra to swap the k20 as down the line you can get more power, if i was going to use it mainly for track and b roads and to have fun, 2zz all the way, these engines can still happily push 700+hp with the right parts which is way to much power for a track car anyway, spend most your time spinning tires than actually going fast. For something the size and weight of the mr-s, you are better off with around 350-400hp on a nicely tuned engine with a wide power range, instead of something with huge power where you only get lag or full boost and 0 traction. And just looking at engine costs for replacement, because the k20 is a popular swap for a lot of different cars the price of them is around 3-4 times more than a 2zz engine. K20 is only going to start getting cheaper when you hit that 1000hp mark where all the extra r&d that has been done on the k20 will pull ahead and you can buy off the shelf parts to hit that mark, your going to need a good engine builder and some unknown parts to push a 2zz that high. But it all comes down to what you want to use the car for, drag strip, 1 mile events, top speed runs you want the k20, for track, street, canyon, uphill events, best bang for buck 2zz all the way.

[@JesseSpec]

@@shroomiestshroom3655 thanks for your very in depth comment! i agree. I don’t know if you saw but I did a full 20+ episode series on this channel on how to swap a 2zz which Is an engine I love very much. I really like the Toyota/yamaha engines such as the 4age, 2zz, 1j, 2j etc. But on the otherhand, I want to discover whats the honda k fuss about. In an mr2 is a good car to figure out. Most of the parta you said are available off the shelf like the 2zz swap. Check my other kswap videos and You will see 😉👍🏼

[@jdmimportlogistics]

Damn great comment- love the sound of the K20 but 2ZZ sounds like the way to go for my AW11.

[@stevenbitecofer6831]

Great video. Very fair and balanced comparison. I have owned Hondas (Civics) and Acura (Integra GSR). I loved the engines in those cars. I have been driving a Toyota MR2 Spyder since 2011 and put in the 2ZZ/C60 in 2012. I love that engine in that car even more than I loved the Hondas. I guess I am a purest. If I was to swap out the 2zz then I would likely go to the 2gr. I have driven a Spyder with the V6 and it is a whole different kind of a beast.

[@JesseSpec]

Thank you very much for your comment! I totally agree with you about the 2zz. I love it. I just came home from a trackday with my 2zz Elise… I love it. But I’ve heard so much about the k20 engines… i want to taste it hahaha (and make my own opinion)

[@youngmaestro4153]

Easier to supercharge and still scratch that bigger engine itch

[@brianmessemer2973]

Hi man, first of all liked and subbed. Great content. I drive a 2001 Celica GTS and I love the 2zz. I've been wondering how the 2zz compares to the Honda K series so this was awesome to see.

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks man! You will see, i’ll be conparing the hell outbof both platforms. Its gonna be interesting 👍🏼

[@TRDKhanbrothers]

Awesome video and very informative I’ll still stick my modded 2zzge motor

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks man! I think you will be fine with the 2zz hahaha, how I stand now I actually got to enjoy the 2zz more than the k20 for the moment 😂

[@henzo3705]

The 2zz is also quite plentiful in junkyards appearing in the Vibe GT, Matrix XRS, Corolla XRS, and Celica GTS. These are often overlooked by DIY auto enthusiasts as opposed to Honda engines making cheap 2zz and components plentiful and cheap. While Honda engines are superior in tuning capability the 2zz has proven to be capable of making well over 500hp (although the reliability is a valid concern). If you Toyota fellas want more 2zz content check out the Jamaican drag racing scene, a good channel on KZbin is motorsportsja showcasing 2zz swapped starlets and Corollas making impressive passes.

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, thanks for your comment! Will take a look

[@LupinYonderboy]

For while I was feeling happy, then you crushed me.. I would like to get to 200+hp out of my 2ZZ one day. One of the unique things about your channel is that you have access to a dyno and know how to use it. I love to see the data.

[@JesseSpec]

Hahahah what do you mean I crushed you? How so ? 🤣

[@JesseSpec]

Exhaust, intake and a good map and you should be hitting the mark! (Bhp) 😉👌🏼

[@LupinYonderboy]

@@JesseSpec Got a decent intake and exhuast so the ECU is next on the shopping list. Let's see how work goes this year

[@JesseSpec]

@@LupinYonderboy hell yeah! Thats A plan! I might sell my pfc at some point. If your interested, tell me ;-)

[@Truulovemotorsports]

k20 is severely corked intake and exhaust and tune. you dont want a huge jump when vtec kicks in. factory tune engages late to give the dramatic effect. stock internal k20's with good breathing bolt ons like vtec at 4400rpm. 2zz is almost as good as a b series. once your finished with your swap you will see there is no comparison between k20 and 2zz

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for the feedback! I cant wait to see what I can squeeze out of the k20. What do you recommend regarding intake manifolds?

[@Truulovemotorsports]

@@JesseSpec cant go wrong with the tried and true RBC manifold

[@JesseSpec]

@@Truulovemotorsports thanks man! I’ll add that to my list

[@craig357]

On the 2ZZ Celica in the UK, Se7en Motorsports offer the Rotrex Supercharger. 300 + BHP stock. Over 340 BHP they recommended a gearbox swap - think that may have been the MR2 box. not sure? Fensport in the UK also do some great stuff for the 2ZZ engine. Monkey Wrench Racing is the go to place in the US.

[@JesseSpec]

I love the 2zz (check my other videos, you will love it 😉😉😉). Nevertheless, a reliable 2zz is not easy to make. Especially for race use like me. I thought I’d give the kswap a shot 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@alexhise968]

I am developing the 2.5L Toyota 2AR and it will rev to 8-9k should be around 260hp on 91oct in dd trim and 350hp with a bit more work

[@JesseSpec]

Nice! Sounds interesting 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@hamsterbrigade]

How is this going so far?

[@alexhise968]

Just finished the second version of port and polish we put the first setup on the engine dyno with dual FXE intake cams and it made 263.5hp peak at 7300-7500 rpms and started to fall off quickly afterward I found that air speed fell off at the short radius so I am working on 2 different port designs from our original attempts and a set of ITBs then it will be back to the Dyno for more testing

[@sentree9857]

One thing I’d like to mention as far as advantages of using the k20 vs the 2zz is once installed, you now have the option to swap blocks out for the 2.4 liter. Many people build these “Frankenstein” motors as I’m sure you are aware of with k20 heads on k24 blocks. If you ever decided to, you could increase your displacement even more whereas with the 2zz you wouldn’t be able to. Also, aftermarket support is just better for the Honda engine. I’m currently in the process of dropping a k24 in my sw20. It is costly though.

[@JesseSpec]

Totally true... oups... you've exposed my diabolical long term plan... hahahha😁

[@joseguerra4520]

Nada saben perfectamente que el 2zzge es una basura pero lo defienden porque es su pan para sacarle el dinero a los 4 tontos

[@v4847]

Love my 2zz for daily. ~200 whp with ddpr intake and ppe exhaust, no tune.

[@JesseSpec]

Good numbers! That header must be reall good

[@brentdaniels-wb9xs]

For me personally i would prefer 2zzge over k20a2 , there's just something about that engine i can't explain its really fun and reliable and can be modded and tuned for nice power

[@JesseSpec]

It does have something special, I agree.

[@keystoadventure8816]

My 2zz got sold and k20 is going in. Few reasons personally Oil starvation if tracked so need an oil pan Oil pump gears shatter if sustained rpm like track, so needs new gears Lift bolts are a CONSTANT maintenance item I had it for 3 years and it was fun when it worked but, I sold my swap for roughly the same price as my k20a2 swap has cost so far, and the gains are quite large on paper

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, thanks for your input. You may have seen it in my other video but I exploded a 2zz in a time attack race. So thats why I changed. I hand new lift bolts and a new oil pump in, so they help… Yes its a bit of a oil starvation problem under very hard cornering. I had only the 1zz pan and probably was barely full of oil. Didn’t over fil so that could have been my mistakes. In the end I enjoy swapping motors with new stuff. So thats why I did it. It was waaaay more expensive. No doubt. The donor car cost easly twice the price

[@keystoadventure8816]

@@JesseSpec I just got the last piece of the swap, and dollar for dollar I broke even from what I sold my 2zz setup for and I ended up with so far- K20a2 with a harness and random intake PLM Ramhorn headers Innovative mounts Link g4x plug and play Map harness with odb2/AC MAP ac bracket Frankenstein motorworks Junction box

[@tkflex2332]

Great Video. We can say "Flip a coin?" K20 is gonna be a pretty penny. Wish u all the best, focus, and success on the next series. Your videos make my day. See you next week. Thank you

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks man for the incouraging words 😁👍🏼

[@tkflex2332]

@@JesseSpec Your living my dreams fam. Just make sure it doesn't turn into a nightmare 🤑 I love my 2ZZ 🥰

[@JesseSpec]

@@tkflex2332 hahaha yeah the monnies fly away quickly with this kind of addiction hahahah. Don’t break your 2zz! Baffled oil pan, oil pressure and temps gauge… and don’t forget to watch them 😁

[@tkflex2332]

@@JesseSpec 03 Mxrs 2zz stock but has the lower lift factory tune 6200 to 8200. 2ZZ is solid idles at 900, I do have new baffled1zz oil pain on. But I think my injectors are leaking ;( smells like fuel 🤮

[@JesseSpec]

@@tkflex2332 watch out the 1zz baffled pan sucks! The oil return is not fast enougj

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Good luck with the swap sir.

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks man! Its nearly done. Just need to finish my exhaust.

[@sprinterpilot]

In the honda crowd, the ep3 which is the K20A3 is the least desirable engine for swaps. You should have used the more popular swaps like the K20A or K20A2 which is more commonly used for swaps.

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, its not an k20a3…. Its a K20a2 (Euro spec type R)

[@radstar2185]

I just got the turbokits 2zz t28 Billet kit for my 2zz Mrs just waiting on intercooler and a garage to install it. Much cheaper than a k20a2 or k24a2 in Australia and I can still use my apexi pfc to run it. Still nice to know a 1.8ltr 2zz is comparable to a 2ltr k20

[@JesseSpec]

Very true! All though I like the Honda engines, there is something that isn’t as nice as the Toyota engines from a drive feeling perspective

[@radstar2185]

@@JesseSpec a properly spect turbo will make all the difference, I'll let you know how it goes

[@geraldperez7754]

More hope on my dream ZZW30 pure toyota build✨

[@JesseSpec]

We have a purist in the house 😁👌🏼🔥

[@atom608]

In new zealand you can get a JDM spec 2zz celica for about 7k or corolla 2zz for about 5-6k. While type R spec B18cs are worth well over 12-15k and type r spec k20s are in the 20s, 2zz is great value for money considering you get 190HP for well under 10k with a k20 you get a bit over 200hp for 3x as much. not good value for money considering you can just buy a celica and drop stage 2 cams exhaust and intake and gain 15hp without a tune as shown on the fourms before needing an aftermarket ecu. only let down is the gearbox. this is coming from someone that owns a 2zz jdm spec celica with LSD and i admit the k20 is 100% the better engine but value for money wise its janked up because of how sought after they are therefore making it not a great value for money even though a k20 has way better after market support. Im happy with my 2zzge celica the lift kicks in harder than a k20a2 and the only thing left to do on my celica is stage 2 cams and il be really happy.

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, Thanks for your very comprehensive comment and the time you took for writing it. As you can see in my video (and you can probably guess it), I am 100% agreeing with you. I love the 2zz. Its one of my favorite engines ever. However, it let me down and broke (take a look at my playlist of my 20+ 2zz swap episodes, including the race footage when I broke it). So for me, reliability is the only element I've been let down on. I actually was disappointed in the k20 (euro spec in stock form). But, if you have some extra time, take a look at the swap series I am doing right now for the K20. Its just coming to an end now and the engine has a few nice bits on it and I will see what sort of power I can make. But trust me, I have pretty high expectations, given the hype of this engine and that I actually really like my 2zz. Wait and see ;-) Best regards. Jesse

[@kentprince4851]

​@@JesseSpec How did you break the engine? This engine blows when you overev it by downshifting improperly.

[@Spawnx91]

Top la vidéo, trop de graphiques pour moi mais oui sur le papier le 2zz est quand même mieux à ce qu'on voit. La démarche est top de t'orienter sur un K20 alors que tu reste amoureux fou du 2ZZ, niveau comparaison ça va être vraiment sympa ! Joli boulot l'ami !!!!

[@JesseSpec]

Merci man! Merci pour le feedback! Je sais que pour certains les graphiques c’est pas ce qu’il y a de plus marrant!

[@edim108]

2ZZ has an interesting niche, at least here in Poland where I live. In a lot of amature racing leagues there are different classifications based upon stuff like engine displacement and stuff. 2ZZ and K20 would fall under the same class, but most of them make an exception for K series and classify it like a much larger displacement engine or one with forced induction, bc even NA they can make a LOT more power than pretty much any other engine, so those classes under 2.0 liters of displacement would be all just K series races and competition of "who can throw more money to squeeze a few more horsepower from their K20" and that's not fun and would quickly kill interest in the league. So for a lot of motorsport leagues it makes sense to tune up a 2ZZ since it has a lot of the same characteristics that make K20 so good but it isn't targeted by rules. Plus in the case of MR2 specifically it's basically the easies swap in the world and is barely any more difficult than putting in stock engine.

[@JesseSpec]

Nailed it! I agree 100%!

[@spyderzetta3391]

Let's also not forget that a 2zzge weighs way less than a k20a. So balance of the car needs to be adjusted for that much more weight on the rear.

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for you input. I’ve heard this theory many times, but no facts. You say way less, do you have any numbers? Source of your info other than Techno Prospirit. I am planing to put this theory to rest by actually weighing both power plants. Could be an interesting video

[@spyderzetta3391]

@@JesseSpec it would make sense that an all aluminum 1.8L weighs less than a bigger all aluminum 2.0/2.4l motor with iron cylinder sleeves. 👍🏼

[@spyderzetta3391]

@@JesseSpec there was a guy that weighted them here on KZbin. I will try to find the video. From what I understand the 2zzge is 220LB (~253LB with accessories under 375LB with transmission) while K20 is 275LB (over 400LB with transmission)

[@JesseSpec]

@@spyderzetta3391 hi! Good info, thanks for sharing. I am afraid 25lbs (11kg) on the ensemble of power trains in difference can be compensated by a lighweight battery. I honestly think the weight distribution argument doesn’t seem to be significant enough to a point it would upset the balance (if your numbers are accurate). Corner balancing will really make the difference very minor I think. Don’t You think?

[@spyderzetta3391]

@@JesseSpec I believe fully assembled engine+transmissions+accessories it was closer to 50LB difference. So if we are talking stock for stock, sure lots of things can be done to offset some weight. Lighter weight headers, exhaust, intake, battery, etc. This can be done on any of these engine to further reduce their overall weight. But yeah the point is that the 2zzge the lighter engine. And any weight that is reduced or added on any car needs to be taken into consideration when setting up optimal car balance. Like you said, corner balancing is a good example. Or changing spring rates, etc. Also I think the K20 is a taller motor (I think..) so center of gravity in the mid rear will be a little higher which can affect overall balance. Once again, something that can be fixed with different chassis and suspension tuning. You now have a k20 and a 2zzge in your garage. Would be great if you could do a comparison. I own a 2002 spyder and was already planning a K20 swap. But 2zzge is a very good option as well.

[@ericlindsey1708]

Coming from my old Honda Civic EM1 with the B16a2 and recently a SIR EP3 K20A3...I found I really missed the high strung, high revving nature of the EM1...mind you the lack of torque was really noticeable down low. That being said, from 111ft/lbs of tq to 132 ft/lbs...with peak torque coming on sooner than even the Type R....the base EP3 felt like a torque monster lol. Enter my recently acquired sleeper Corolla XRS lol... I'm so happy to be back in a high revving engine again. Having the 2ZZ and 6spd is the perfect blend of both worlds... essentially a larger B16 engine but with torque lol. I will say i feel lift engagement is a rouch high on the stock ecu in the Corolla at 6800rpm though. But on the other hand....it keeps you out of trouble a bit because you have to be really deliberate with your gear selection and to rev it to the moon..because getting to lift takes noticeably longer than VTEC engagement lol. I will say a lot of people go out of their way to get around that grocery getter Corolla hogging the fast lane and are surprised when they're not getting any closer to me 🤣🤣 What do you recommend for a daily driver who does occasional autocross as an ecu solution? Was thinking of picking up an '03 Matrix ECU with factory 6200rpm lift engagement but no one really re-pins those anymore i don't rhink. I'm not hardcore enough to do crazy stand alone laptop tuning on a daily...just want tweak whats nearly perfect. Long story short, this vid reassures me of my decision to explore the 2ZZ life lol.

[@JesseSpec]

Hahah! Thanks for your substantial comment 😊👌🏼 If I remember well, my corolla tS shifted VVTLI in 5000rpms. So that seems like a normal shift point. Maybe trying to find a VVTI/VTEC adjuster like back in the day would be interesting to test. I think APEXI used to make these. You would have to do some research to see what people used in the past. It may be a good way to adjust the shiftpoint for a very low cost. TBH though I never used them and personally I would go programable ECU 🔥😉

[@ericlindsey1708]

@@JesseSpec I do remember the old school Apexi's lol. Yeah I suppose I could just send my ECU to R9K or MWR to have it tuned...not super cheap but I believe lift engagement at around 5800rpm or less would make the power more usable for sure. Thanks for the reply 👍

[@JesseSpec]

@@ericlindsey1708 no problem 👍🏼🔥

[@mirdastastny9055]

technically VTEC doesnot have lift, it runs only on 8 valves and after 4,5-5rpm other 8 valves add, Toyota VVTL has variable lift of valves

[@JesseSpec]

I am pretty sure its very similar to the 2zz system. You have 2 intake cams, one with short opening, one with low lift. And another cam with long opening and high lift. And on both have variable cam timing VTC. Its pretty much the same. One is a 2L and one is a 1.8L 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@johnnyk5]

I’d love to see the 07k/CBT from a mk5/mk6 Volkswagen swapped into an MR2. I recognize that it’s not as well supported as the k swap, but a 20V 2.5L inline 5 is just plain sweet. It’d make an awesome N/A platform (folks love putting them in their Porsche 944/968). Plus, parts are cheap/available.

[@JesseSpec]

Its surely worth trying. PersonallY I don’t know the VW engines so well so I don’t know if I would feel confortable doing that swap

[@SilverScarletSpider]

What confuses me is how did the Toyota Matrix XRS and Corolla XRS consistently beat the 7th/8th Gen Honda Civic Si and Acura RSX Type S in highway roll races on KZbin despite the 1.8L 2ZZ being an on average weaker engine with less hp than the 2.0L K20? This is because the Toyota engine’s torque curve is actually higher than the Honda’s eh? To top it off apparently the K20 can stay in VTEC thresholds while shifting while according to period Car and Driver reviews, the 2ZZ usually falls out of VVTi?

[@JesseSpec]

I love the 2zz. But I cannot say yet if it was worth the extra effort for swapping the kswap I am doing now. I am coming towards the end of the swap and should be hitting the dyno real soon when my exhaust is finished

[@SilverScarletSpider]

@@JesseSpec oh yeah the 2ZZ is decent, but the K20 is definitely the better engine for a MR2 sports car engine swap application

[@JesseSpec]

@@SilverScarletSpider i will see what my dyno has to say about that hahah.

[@TomEnduro]

Don't forget Doctronic in Austria. They make a good ECU for the Honda. A lot cheaper than Hondata and very good.

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, thanks for the comment. I am actually a dealer of Doctronic at our company. Thanks for reminding me, I totally forgot about them hhaha

[@TomEnduro]

@@JesseSpec, I know people who have used the Doctronic in their Lotus K20 installs. All with very good results (~240bhp on standard engine +/-5). And Doctronic give exceptional support which only a small specialist company can give. Great opportunity to market what you sell and an excellent alternative to a KPro.

[@JesseSpec]

@@TomEnduro I agree. The only problem I see is that they coule be a tad more generous with their dealers 🤣 and comparing the capability of a Link to that kind of ECU makes its less interesting to push their ecus 😭

[@omarawilson2853]

I wonder how the 2zz would have faired with slightly further tuning, as in the graph it showed that 2zz was only lightly tuned and was too far off. It seems that only recently people have really started to understand the tuning potential of these engines and were now seeing them make 200+ hp with bolt ons and a tune. Though I have yet to see them catch on in the states yet

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, the 2zz is amazing and has lots of potential. However there is no replacement for displacement. I am about to finish the k20 swap on my car and will have better figure once its done! I’ll keep you posted! Best regards

[@omarawilson2853]

@@JesseSpec true. But I have seen a 2.0 2ZZ make more power than a K20 essentially tuned stock for stock. So there really is no replacement for displacement lol. Though it does make you wonder what if the K20 had come out first and Toyota had time to rethink their design for the 2ZZ. If you ask me, Toyota wasted too much time developing the 3SGE BEAMS which are into the 2ZZ’s development. But that’s just me spitballing

[@JesseSpec]

@@omarawilson2853 hehehe we have a 2zz fan here. I really love that engine. I actually had one in my mr2 and in my Lotus Elise! Needless to say I loved them. However, they are getting older and quite easy to break I feel, which instantaneously killed my hype for that engine 😭💔

[@omarawilson2853]

@@JesseSpec I’m a fan of both Honda and Toyota engines. But I do love the 2ZZ GE tho, much like many 4 cylinder made by both aforementioned companies. On the note of the 2ZZGE being easy to break, can I ask what your experience in that is? The engine in my Celica didn’t go out until 233,000 miles, which seemed pretty good to me. Or are you talking about in a tuning sense? Another thing to note, before spinning a bearing my 2zz ran for about 4 months with next to no oil unbeknownst to me at the time, and that was with high RPM Touge driving, that’s not a flex btw I hated that that happened but showed me the engine’s reliability

[@omarawilson2853]

@@JesseSpec also really excited to see how the swap turns out and can’t wait to hear the MR2 rip with its new K20 heart!

[@james94582]

I'll be looking at doing the 2zz Swap as parts for it, the trans and even axles are easy to pickup @ local dealer or parts store... Unlike the K and 2ar options... But I'm going to keep an eye out... And see if I can find a deal on a 2zz setup or 2ar setup... Until then I'm just going to continue to enjoy my MR-S with a lightly modified 1zz

[@JesseSpec]

Fair enough 👍🏼

[@jondozre]

so have you tried mwr's new ferria rockers that take vvti engagement out completely? Has anyone done stage 2 cams, ferria rockers and super charger? I take stock internals would blow?

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, no I haven’t tried those rockers yet. I like the VVTI system… I wouldn’t want it to be deleted

[@motoringmatt]

I wish to go for K20 too. But my 2ZZ is still running strong and I find myself already gone too far with the 2ZZ (with all the mods etc...). If I find the buyer for my complete engine swap, I will definitely go for K20A2.

[@JesseSpec]

I can totally understand. For me its the engine blow and opportunity that made me shift to k20 life! Good luck in your project 👍🏼👍🏼

[@james94582]

Wish I had the money and lived close to someone looking to sell off their swap... How much would you be looking to get for your 2zz setup if you did??

[@JesseSpec]

@@james94582 make me an offer 👍🏼

[@eddthirty4065]

It would be good if you described what you did to mildly tune the K20 and 2ZZ engine

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, you will have to watch my other videos my friend. It would take too long to explain ;-)

[@eddthirty4065]

@@JesseSpec ;-) fair point, I've only watched this one. I have a 2ZZ with a Rotrex C30 and want to make it more reliable. First thing is a decent baffled sump.

[@JesseSpec]

@@eddthirty4065 yep for the baffled sump! 😄👍🏼

[@holdmywetnutz]

K20 maybe makes more power but i dunno why man but here in Florida or in the islands modded 22zge killing alot of k20s. Sometimes I guess we gotta factor in gearing to power band also engine weight and vehicle weight. I've beaten k20 civics before in inferior 160hp all motor 4age corolla . I've even witnessed few k20 and lsvtec swap civic hatches including my old b series eg honda race one night to nerdy kid in a mildly worked 2zzge xrs corolla with standalone ,cams, flywheel, and bolt ons. and all of us lost. Bolt on s2000 showed up and lose too lol. That was the first time I ever heard of this engine. I think 2zzge is fantastic. I can still here the lift sound of that corolla when he spanked all of us lol. But the k20 does have alot of support and dollar for dollar does net you more power in the long run

[@JesseSpec]

Honestly, I really have a weak spot for the 2zz! Mine was freaking angry on track 😂🔥 but reliability was my issue with that engine. I think the honda one will do better in that regard. I need to get on with building my exhaust…

[@holdmywetnutz]

@@JesseSpec was it oil starvation or bearing issues

[@holdmywetnutz]

@Jesse Spec - Car Guy Channel cause when we build any high revving Toyota engines they all have same failure characteristics.. so oil cooler is needed for stock oil thickness or bigger aka looser rod bearing clearances for cushion and insurance and heaver weight oil.

[@JesseSpec]

@@holdmywetnutz it was oil starvation 🥲

[@JesseSpec]

@@holdmywetnutz yep… learned it the hard way 🤕😭

[@veganwaffle]

Should I even swap my engine or just add a turbo to my 1zz? I just bought my dad 2005 MRS the engine is still great it’s only got 100k miles on it. He was the only owner before me.

[@JesseSpec]

You may even leave it stock for a while and enjoy it how it is 😁👍🏼 of course turbo 1zz will be very quick. It might even be less of a hassle than doing a engine swap

[@zzracer]

k24 with k20 head ;) 2zz vs k20 depends where do you live. K20 in europe has more performance parts, and modding it is easier and cheaper than import all parts from usa or japan; personally i own 2zz mr2 spyder with some bolt-ons

[@JesseSpec]

Exactly 👍🏼 even inside europe it varies. Switzerland, where I live, is often different/more expensive than other eu countries. Where are you from?

[@zzracer]

@@JesseSpec I'm from Poland, so it's not easy to live with 2zz ;)

[@JesseSpec]

@@zzracer I can imagine! Enjoy the 2zz! Its an amazing engine

[@AlexTrull]

Hello for Pyrenees / Pays Catalans - I've got a K20A2 ZZW30 car and I'm putting Kpro/RRC on. Hoping for the magic 200 @ at the wheels.

[@JesseSpec]

That sounds like a realistic goal! Hope you reach it 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@mauriziobezzina3378]

what does involve about fitting in the car? i guess k20 will have much more work to fix to connect engine to the car and electrics

[@JesseSpec]

Hahaha, please watch my whole series on how to kswap an mr2 on the very channel. You will a detailed overview of all the steps necessary. Take look and tell me what your think (more than 15 episodes)

[@alexhise968]

Go with the Link ecu if you ever change your mind about something it's easier to change platforms and tune

[@JesseSpec]

Thats what I am thinking. I am hesitating between a plugin or the FuryX wirein

[@cwakadrake]

Hey Jesse, great work as always :) I was wondering what kind of downpipe you were using on the 2zz? I saw you used the MWR manifold and I was unsure if it would get decent power figures compared to the stock or PPE manifold/downpipe combo, but appearently it does. I know the 1zz stock downpipe chokes the 2zz but I think mainly becouse of the restrictions in the flex pipes, so my hope is that with the removal of those and the MWR manifold I could still get decent power when I use that one. Which makes the swap more easy and also I want to keep the exhaust becouse of noise levels as stock as possible (I will accept that it will make less power than with a complete free flowing exhaust, but atleast keep the loss as low as possible). Did you order the manifold from MWR directly btw or another source in europe?

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, Thanks for your comment! The Downpipe is an Ebay spec one. Isn't the best, but for getting the whole care ready quickly and at a good price, this is what I wanted to do. Regarding the MWR, yes I bought it from them. My company Hanshin-Imports Actually sells their stuff as a sub dealer, so if you are interested, I might be able to hook you up, since. (contact us at www.hanshin-imports.ch). It isn't the best performing, but as you can see in my other videos, the performance wasn't that bad ;-)

[@matthewyang2792]

Stock to stock K20 doesn't seem that much better. 2zz is nearly maxed out from factory. The k20 responds to mods really well and can get to 220-240whp with full bolt ons and a tune. It's night and day difference between the two engines.

[@JesseSpec]

So I’ve heard 😁👍🏼 lets make some first hand experience 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@ulisesavila2879]

I am surprised too, in other charts I have seen a noticeable difference.

[@matthewyang2792]

@@JesseSpec gonna be doing the swap myself with k20/k24. Looking forward to your videos!

[@JesseSpec]

@@ulisesavila2879 that was surely due to the fact that the ep3 engine in europe has a very weak tune, not got ex and intake manifolds and my 2zz was quite potent hahaha

[@JesseSpec]

@@matthewyang2792 thanks man! Its gonna be good!

[@nikokolas1138]

Had a stock MR2 in the past; the 1zz was enough on the twisty roads were I live even if it did like revving (unlike the 2zz). Really miss that car; but yeah no place for the children 😅.

[@nikokolas1138]

* Didn't.

[@JesseSpec]

You should try one with a 2zz 🔥🔥🔥

[@mattb4353]

Good video , but you didn't say what the weights and size of the two engines are?

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for the comment. I don’t have these weights to be honest. But I will measure the difference with my corner scales in the future

[@sahilakshay1098]

Compare k series to beams please

[@JesseSpec]

Hahah gonna need help finding a beams motor hahaha

[@mr2_nate]

You forgot about the 2.5L 2AR-FE

[@JesseSpec]

Sorry mate. I can’t do all engines

[@mr2_nate]

@@JesseSpec I’m mostly just joking haha. I’ll be looking forward to the K vs 2AR comparison when you get sick of the K😉😂.

[@JesseSpec]

@@mr2_nate thanks buddy! No problem 😁👍🏼

[@davidhocevar8510]

how about supercharged 1.8l 2zr-fe? i have that engine in my yaris grmn, it is basicly the same engine found in lotus elise, 212HP 250NM, it is a blast of engine, but i guess price is brutal

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, never thought of that one to be honest 😁👍🏼

[@Fresh_Clip_Drawings]

2zz with stage 2 cams

[@JesseSpec]

Is that an affirmation or is that what your want in your car? Hahah

[@ZoneTelevision]

To hell with Honda. I’ll just wait for the 3 CYL GR motors and do that swap.

[@JesseSpec]

heheheh That does sound like a funky idea!

[@ej8_06xrs]

Would love to do that swap in my corolla xrs

[@brunotrdful]

Vidéo intéressante Le B18c etait pas bien ,j'ai un ami qui possede une integra dc2 avec ligne complete d'echapement et admission (je croie que spoon ) avec un resultat de 196ch vilbrequin 190ch sans echapement ni admission

[@JesseSpec]

Salut Bruno! Merci beaucoup! Je viens d'activer les sous-titres en français ;-) n'hésites pas à partager la video. Gracias amigo

[@JesseSpec]

J’en ai passé plusieurs des integra… les deux on fait presque la meme puissance. Sur mon banc elles ne sortent pas plus d’origine 😂

[@brunotrdful]

@@JesseSpec ce qui m'a impressionné c'est l'entrée du vtec dans le B18c,c'est brutale

[@JesseSpec]

@@brunotrdful En effet ça se lance bien. Après j'ai vu qu'un échappement libre et admission aussi fait une grosse diff sur les b18

[@leefan8492]

For mr-s balance is key, try to compare the weight and height between2zz and k20 with the gearbox.. also there is a 2zz engine make 240+ hp, that is in a formula toyota, still 1.8.. 2zz in mr-s exhaust is key, less sharp tune header like the standard header is good, but aftermarket ones too many sharp tune.. also exhaust exit is important, do a "wake filling" exit design, make a smooth bend exhaust go on too of the subframe.. the car will be different at high speed…increase volumetric efficiency.. anyway great video👍

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks man for the tips! Yes lets do some « factual » comparison of both platforms. I love Toyota more than anything but opportunies have made that the k20 is my next engine! Lets see where this brings me

[@tylercook7739]

I'm currently pulling my 2zz and c60 out to install a lsd (with a bunch of other trans crap) and I'm planning on porting the intake manifold and gasket matching. We'll see if it makes any difference but celica dudes are convinced it does 🙄

[@JesseSpec]

Hello, its well possible that it does improve something. Honestly on my 2zz back then, it didn't seem that big of a correction necessary. That's why I didn't do it on mine. On the K20 though, I will be looking into it a bit more. Good luck on your project!

[@sameetrizwan1287]

Hello, kind of random but would you care to sell the 2zz swap parts, Im in need, thanks :)

[@JesseSpec]

@@sameetrizwan1287 hi! Make me an offer and we will see. Its a 100% complete kit

[@sameetrizwan1287]

@@JesseSpec i need the harness, header, ecu and the passenger mount…

[@sameetrizwan1287]

@@JesseSpec I'm still in high school working minimum wage and don't want to make an offer that might come off rude / lowball...just give me an offer and I'll see if I'm able to afford it

[@motorcycle_garage]

how would a 2zz stroker engine compare ? it is a 2lt.

[@JesseSpec]

Good question… but I have no idea 😂🤷🏽‍♂️

[@CJ-pe5dl]

Hi Jesse great comparison. Is it true that the K20s have more effective & efficient oil lubrication than 2zz especially in the higher rev ranges?

[@JesseSpec]

Hi man! Thanks 👍🏼 Tbh I don’t have the facts but I’m pretty sure the K20s are more reliable in that department.

[@kisbalintkirill4443]

If you rev the 2ZZ a lot use recommended oil by Lotus.

[@JesseSpec]

@@kisbalintkirill4443 Thanks for the tip!

[@brentdaniels-wb9xs]

Don't need to use oil from lotus even though they have motor program for 2zz just service every 10 000km sorted

[@reneneron2971]

Good points, but the other issue with the 2ZZ is poor durability of the C series transmission. Much better options with the K series. Second, while PEAK power of your tuned 2ZZ is similar to the K20, another adage is, “area under the curve”. The horsepower comes on much earlier and stronger with the K20 once lift engages. I have a 2ZZ, and that is it’s biggest weakness for me…a very narrow, peaky powerband that is barely usable, even with a 6 speed.

[@absolutezero7344]

While true, I think that is actually where the fun comes from. It gives the engine character because the 2ZZ is just so eager to deliver performance yet it makes you work for it instead of serving it to you on a silver platter, which in turn forces you a be better driver to compensate and maximize that powerband. If you want area under the curve just get a big lazy V8 and call it a day.

[@JesseSpec]

Don’t worry, i know the concept of area under the curve. And this video actually shows that the 2zz, suprisingly, isn’t that far away at all than the k20. Even more surprising, it actually surpasses the k20 in a stock ep3! Watch the video and you’ll see… this video is to show that its actually pretty close

[@NelsonS92]

The trick is lowering lift stock 2zz ecus lift point is anywhere from 6200-6800rpm depending on the ecu that’s why the power curve isn’t as good a k20. My lift is set at 5800rpm with redline at 8600rpm and the power curve is very different crazy with just a few rpm difference in lift engagement can do. Every time I shift I land in lift always in the powerband.

[@reneneron2971]

@@JesseSpec I watched the video before commenting. The K20 has much more power below where the lift kicks in on the 2ZZ (based on the dyno curves that you posted). At less than 5200 rpm, the power curves are very similar, but when racing or when you want power, you don’t care what the power is at low RPM…you want maximum power over a relatively wide powerband.

[@reneneron2971]

@@absolutezero7344 I have a Spyder with a 2ZZ. A V8 is a tough fit in a Spyder (essentially impossible) and also doesn’t do much for gas mileage on a car that is driven daily in addition to being driven occasionally on the track or autocross events. The 2ZZ is eager to deliver performance, but only after you hit lift above 6000 rpm. It is a good match for the Spyder as it is an easy and inexpensive swap. It is also rather gutless and delivers essentially the same performance as the 1ZZ unless you rev it to the moon.

[@lefterismavroidis1763]

Μόνο Toyota ρεεεεεεεε μέχρι να σβήσει ο ήλιος

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, english? 😂🙏🏻

[@Caned5]

2zzge is less expensive and better for the platform.. You re talking about 3-5k for just 200hp from a K20 or K24.. when you can even add a turbo or supercharger for that price on a 2ZZGE..

[@JesseSpec]

Is it cheaper? Yes. Is it better? Not quite sure about that. In what way do you think its better?

[@Caned5]

@@JesseSpec the 2ZZ-GE can only be better because it's cheaper to make power..

[@JesseSpec]

@@Caned5 do you also know how unreliable the 2zz is when driven hard, let alone turbo charged? Making power cheaply is one thing, but reliably is another. Check my other videos. I actually raced my 2zz… it wasn’t reliable

[@Caned5]

@@JesseSpec you are very right about that.. I think MonkeyWrenchRacing had addressed these issues once you purchase a 2ZZ-GE from them.. K20/24 have their problems too but not as common with the 2ZZ-GE..

[@mecalex3102]

But it is harder to do hp With a 2zz than a k20 and cheaper whit à k20

[@JesseSpec]

In the case of a swap in an mr2, the 2zz is still cheaper HP for the effort in my opinion. The more time passes I feel this way

[@richardggeorge]

2gr fe 3.5 v6 is the answer

[@JesseSpec]

Hahaha! Haven’t tried one yet 🥶

[@richardggeorge]

@@JesseSpec google search for this interesting thread "2GR home built swap details". Looks a bit like a widow maker!

[@TougeTime]

Yes./end thread

[@JesseSpec]

Hahahah, but the k20 isn't that much better honestly. I was expecting more hahaha🤣

[@TougeTime]

@@JesseSpec the stock k20a I drove is 227whp dyno. My car was 179whp same dyno.

[@JesseSpec]

@@TougeTime Look at the differences between my 2zz and the stock EP3 engine... I wonder if the k20 you drove wasn't already tuned a bit? Thats a lot of power for a stock k20 (227zwhp is like 260-270 engine HP)

[@TougeTime]

@@JesseSpec yes hondata tune. 2zz had pfc. I guess yes my state does have some of the top honda tuners in the world lol

[@JesseSpec]

@@TougeTime hahaha ok I understand better hehehe

[@K20TypeR]

K20 is far superior as a tuning platform. Just breathing mods and a tune and you’re at 250bhp. I’ve driven both and the 2ZZ feels tame and not as aggressive as the K20

[@JesseSpec]

Hi! Thanks for the input 👍🏼👍🏼 Thats all I wish for, is that the k20 is more agressive 🔥👍🏼 I haven’t finished the project yet. Lets see!

[@IHadToMakeThisAccount]

2ARFE

[@JesseSpec]

I don't know that engine very well to be honest 🙂

[@CedricParker]

the 2zz is just getting old, its hard to find ones that havnt been beat on

[@JesseSpec]

Yup, although I think the k20 engines get the same abuse from their users

[@samster978]

Are you going to use MAP mounts and harness?

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, I am still debating. The innovativr mounts look better but as far as I understand they only come in sets of 3. Where 4 are needed. Regarding the harness adaptor, I am still thinking of wireing link into the car, so i might go custom. But not sure yet. Are you planing to do the swap too? What would you do?

[@samster978]

@@JesseSpec I won't be doing the swap anytime soon, I was more curious as to what parts you would be using e.g custom of off the shelf as I had read some people had issues with mounts.

[@JesseSpec]

@@samster978 thats what I am worries about too

[@samster978]

@@JesseSpec Hope out turns out well for you, I'm following with a lot of interest as hopefully your videos can help me in the future :)

[@JesseSpec]

@@samster978 Thanks man! Got started yesterday 😁👍🏼lots of filming happened

[@kentprince4851]

Not a fair assessment as the engines dont have the same displacement. Average out the hp per litre on both engines. And its still unfair comparing a 1.8L to 2.0L

[@JesseSpec]

What is fair? Everybody has a different viewpoint. The undeniable point that its an interesting comparison for people in the swap/mr2 community. Thanks for your positive and constructive comments 😅

[@adrianepaulin7287]

Dont forget about 2ar-fe is also an option and it shows better output for cheaper investment cheaper than k-swap and 2zz.

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for the input. Honestly I don’t think this is as easy as an option in Europe or Switzerland, they aren’t popular here. To be honest, I am also not as interested in this engine compared to the 2 other ones. It also seems to be way more annoying to install into the mr2, compared to the 2zz or K engines…

[@adrianepaulin7287]

@@JesseSpec the thing I like about 2ar-fe is they're available anywhere and at a low mileage. In the states 2zz or k20-24 with a low mileage or haven't been abused it's pretty hard to come by especially 2zz. The way i see it 2ar is a step up to the 2zz. Yeah you're right its quite annoying but it might save your pocket. But i do respect your opinion. Keep making great contents.

[@JesseSpec]

@@adrianepaulin7287 thanks 😁👍🏼👍🏼

[@christopherdavis8530]

@@adrianepaulin7287 2ar seems cheap till you start looking for transmissions. Transmission brings the overall price equal to a kswap. Turbo K24 and rsx 5 speed is the way to go.

[@adrianepaulin7287]

@@christopherdavis8530 yeah you're right if you purchase the tranny alone from the dealer. But buying a donor car from a junkyard is much cheaper than the tranny from the dealer. I dont know from where you are, but where i am, there are tons of tc and 2011 camry in my junkyard.

[@pswmetalmonkey]

2ZZ is the same as a B18C equivalent engine.. it doesnt even come close to K20/K24 series engines.

[@JesseSpec]

Dude, a stock b18 makes barely 165hp on my dyno… the 2zz full stock made 192 on the same dyno, same day! Its degintely not the same!

[@Gone_Rogue300]

I'd rather have a 1J and 2J over the K20. The K20 is a great engine, but holds no candle next to the JZ family.

[@JesseSpec]

Hahaha its true (other than maybe in the « light weight » department 😂)

[@Gone_Rogue300]

@@JesseSpec weights not that far off. Plus the Jz family Captain more reliable horsepower! Without blowing up. JZ. Family is made to take stress and acquire high numbers of HP!. Don't get me wrong. The K series is a great engine! But the JZ family till this day is by far one of the most tunable long-lasting raw power mythical engines to ever roam the streets!. I have a 2005 Lexus IS300 with a 2JZ tuned! I also have an Acura RSX with a K20. Both great cars! But there is nothing like hearing that 2JZ screaming like the world is ending while gliding to the streets!.

[@JesseSpec]

@@Gone_Rogue300 I guess we share similar vues on engine preferences hahaha 👍🏼😉 The JZs will never fit in an mr2 though hahahha

[@Gone_Rogue300]

@@JesseSpec It'll take some serious customization! But imagine that type of power in the gorgeous MR2! It'll fly! Nasa here comes a new rocket ship!💪🏾

[@JesseSpec]

@@Gone_Rogue300 heheheh Rocket Mr2 sounding like my Toyota Chaser hehehe

[@jedlawrenceulep7197]

Just gonna ask if you tranny is stock or you changed it?

[@JesseSpec]

Hi! Thanks for the comment. Yes its stock other than a racing clutch and on the 2zz setup I had another LSD in it. For the Kswap, its stock too but I will be putting an OS giken LSD in it too!

[@kentprince4851]

The 2zz makes 100hp per litre thats all you need to know

[@JesseSpec]

What do you mean? Mine did more than that: 208hp, so 115hp/per liter. Even stock my car had 189hp, which is more than 100hp a liter…

[@wadadlli]

Fun Fact. The 2zz doesn't have a baffled oil pan

[@JesseSpec]

Fun fact, I installed one 👍🏼

[@ej8_06xrs]

Just install the 1zz oil pan problem solved.

[@freestyleskyline]

TO BE FAIR. The ep3 k20a3 or whatever is literally the WEAKEST kseries engines there is. The RSX/dc5 Integra k20a2 or k20z1 or whatever makes ASTRONOMICALLY more power stock for stock. So that's not a fair comparison

[@JesseSpec]

Hahahah to you maybe??? You are one of the only people saying that in the comments! As always, thank you for your superbe constructive comments. You are very helpful 👌🏼😉

[@freestyleskyline]

@@JesseSpec to me maybe? Lmfao. It's a fact dude. In fact it's a fact based off YOUR criteria. You complain about people saying the k20 is better by saying the 1.8 Toyota engine can actually "do better" so you compare the weakest k20. The k20 that in the Honda community isn't even considered to have legit vtec. The ep3/base RSX basically have economy vtec that's more like vvti on a Toyota. The TYPE S And TSX and Accord euro R use the "real" vtec " that actually switches over to the more aggressive cam later in the rpm. And you ain't make 300-350whp naturally aspirated from a zz motor. Absolutely not. Totally possible with a Kseries. And I'm a Toyota fan more so than Honda so there's no bias in favor of Honda, it just is what it is. Your comparison compares the worst Kseries. So accept it

[@freestyleskyline]

@@JesseSpec matter fact, just because I'm "the only one" doesn't make it any less true. But please, continue to be a condescending azzholle, instead of someone who can learn from their obvious ignorance

[@JesseSpec]

@@freestyleskyline thats all we get here you smart guy! The 2zz and the k20 I showed so if you don’t like the comparison, I couldn’t care less. I couldn’t give a damn either of other k20s, we don’t have them here. The comparison is totally legitimate in our country. If it isn’t in yours… too bad! I don’t care. Keep commenting, your heavy knowledge it all comments get my videos pushed even more with the algorithm 😂👍🏼

[@JesseSpec]

@@freestyleskyline oh keep hiding behind your screen my friend. Come by the shop and call me that 😊👍🏼 I’d love to see that. Keep the hateful comments flowing, the algorithm loves it! Smart guy!

[@powerst33r]

Isn't that fair to compare a stock EP3 to a 2ZZ swapped MR2 because you will have aftermarket exhaust manifold that increases the 2ZZ power output.

[@JesseSpec]

Hi! Thanks for the comment. One could ask, is it fair to compare a 1.8L to a 2.0L? In the end, many people want to know how they compare to one another, in stock form or tuned. Which is why I made this video😉

[@powerst33r]

@@JesseSpec fully understand the point of your video, just can't support the point that the 2ZZ is stock as no stock 2ZZ can produce 204hp

[@JesseSpec]

@@powerst33r i thought your previous comment was questioning the « faireness » of my comparison? Now you say its the bhp figure of my 2zz engine? Hahaha make up your mind man 😂 In the end, it just has cheap exhaust headers (far from the best), an intake (far from the best) and a tune/ecu. Doesn’t seem very far from stock if you ask me (block is untouched). 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@wadadlli]

The Ep3 engine is the least sought after k20. It sells for $600 on ebay vs $1500 k20z3

[@JesseSpec]

Why would it be the least sought after? Cheap bang for the buck and makes a perfect k24 monster when using all ep3 parts combined with k24 block….

[@johnbowden7058]

I think he’s talking about the K20A3 from the EP3 Si. One of the economy K engines, the A2 is a more desirable variant.​@@JesseSpec

[@JesseSpec]

@@johnbowden7058 yeah maybe. We are talking here of a European civic type R ep3… 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻

[@johnbowden7058]

@@JesseSpec Mhm, and the JDM Type R makes even more power so that makes it a little bit more odd.

[@jamesyoung5610]

why not k24? the TORQUE!

[@JesseSpec]

Hi! One step at a time my friend. You might know this but other than the 2.4L block, all the rest of the engine will be composed of EP3 K20 engine parts. So I figured, why not go with the ep3 assembly with a few mods and enjoy it for a while? Once I get tired of it, all I need to do is get a k24 block and reuse my ep3 stuff with it ;-)

[@jamesyoung5610]

Makes sense. The mr2 is so light!@@JesseSpec

[@Nicky458itl]

how about weight?

[@JesseSpec]

Thats something I am going to try to cover too in a future video. Lots of BS on internet

[@maxxibro]

Get a JDM type R engine and you'll see it the difference. But you're comparing a tuned engine 2zz with a stock K20a.

[@JesseSpec]

Hi, watch the whole video ;-)

[@joshwattonS2000]

A tuned K20, wipes the floor with any other 4 cylinder, NA engine.

[@JesseSpec]

Wiping the floor is exagerating. It Will surely be the more powerful but it all comes down to how much is invested in the tuning

[@joshwattonS2000]

@@JesseSpec you aren’t getting close to 250bhp with a tuned 2ZZ. However you can make that easily with a tuned K20, reliably. So yeah, wipes the floor.

[@JesseSpec]

@@joshwattonS2000 no it doesn’t wipe the floor with it. If you compare HP per L its very close. The k20 has 200cc extra. Oranges and Bananas

[@joseguerra4520]

K20 el 2zzge anda menos y se avería es una tontería montar un 2zzge teniendo motores Honda k20 y k24

[@JesseSpec]

Hello! Gracias Comment! I don’t speek spanish hahaha 😂

[@joseguerra4520]

​@@JesseSpecYo tampoco inglés pero entiendo que dices que es igual el 2zx que el motor Honda pero tú sabes bien que ni en sueños es igual

[@JesseSpec]

@@joseguerra4520 watch my video and compare the data! I never said they are equal! I am saying that the 2zz fares very in comparison in stock form. Look my data and dyno graphs! They tell the hard truth 🔥👍🏼

[@kevinjones3900]

The Honda engine much easier to get parts aka hp gain's a good engine I like it. But the problem is Honda made a s2k and nsx a big lack of interest for rwd fans. So no Honda engine is going in my car 2zz in end of. It's not my fault Honda are fwd happy so f***k them.

[@JesseSpec]

Hahaha I understand what you mean. But did you know the 2zz is an fwd engine plant? Same as the k20. Its simply put in the back of the mr2 but in the opposite direction

[@kevinjones3900]

@@JesseSpec yes I did but Toyota currently make fwd rwd 4wd nice choice Honda only offer 99 percent fwd so I happy to leave them fwd.

[@JesseSpec]

@@kevinjones3900 that is true ;-) everybody has their own reasons. I’ll taste the honda k power and lets see if its worth it 🔥👍🏼

[@kevinjones3900]

@@JesseSpec just subbed you. Nice to have a healthy debate over cars without handbags. Greetings from Wales.

[@JesseSpec]

@@kevinjones3900 thanks buddy! Your a sound commenter as well! Have a good one 😁👌🏼

[@wefwefwef.]

No, k20s are so heavily overhyped its insane, the end.

[@JesseSpec]

I agree too. Thats why I liked the 2zz so much. But other than beleiving the hype without trying it, I figured I would try swapping one in the mr2 ;-)

[@Ryosaeba8]

I rather use VW 1.8T that K20

[@JesseSpec]

Thanks for your input hahaha, I don’t like VAG stuff, but I’m sure it would be very quick

[@andrewmorrison4106]

1.8t VAG😎

[@JesseSpec]

Hahahah don’t like it hahaha

[@Trickey1]

I think you convinced everyone how fantastic the 2zz was and now spoil it by saying it's not so good and you are swapping............. is this just so you can get more content for you tube ?

[@JesseSpec]

Dude, did you actually watch the video and actually listen to whar I said? Hahaha I am defending the 2zz to the bitter end. It takes to long to explain the whole reasoning again. Watch may previous 2-3 videos and Ou should understand whats going on. Being able to do kswap content is just a bonus

[@Trickey1]

@@JesseSpec sorry I did watch it through but didn't get it

[@JesseSpec]

@@Trickey1 i say it in every video. i love the 2zz hahaha

[@samster978]

lol fail commenting before watching the video

[@JesseSpec]

@@samster978 right!? Hahahah

[@Rob-md6ml]

K20, this is like comparing apples to oranges....pointless

[@JesseSpec]

Just Like your comment… pointless 😂 non constructive, useless comment! Thank you

[@leoguardado13]

You said ep3 that’s already the weakest of k20s 😂😂😂

[@JesseSpec]

Its the European one! Which is not the weakest one! Not the usdm one

[@maxwellkruger8411]

Too many commercials. Had to stop watching

[@JesseSpec]

Do you have any idea how much effort and money goes into these videos? Just to show you factual data and bring you some value. For free! All you need to do is watch an add here and there! And this comment is all you have to say? 😂😂😂

[@maxwellkruger8411]

@@JesseSpec I do not know the effort or money you put into making your videos, and honestly don't care. The value is my knowledge gained or entertainment, weighted against my time spent. In my opinion the video was interrupted by ads so much it became a waste of my time. I mentioned it because YTs raw data may not let you know this is the case for some watchers. Sorry if criticism is hard for you to handle. Best of luck

[@JesseSpec]

@@maxwellkruger8411 ok man! Excellent comment. You’ve just proven the whole world what you are! Keep going! Your comments are so legendary, I might actually share them in a next video! Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss it! And yes there will be as many ads as this time 👍🏼 Thanks again 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@maxwellkruger8411]

@@JesseSpec What I am? Not very specific there. I assume you're referring to me being a person who values his time. Putting my comment on your channel would probably double your effort and money put into the video. You could probably get a few more ads in, or a sponsorship from Raid Shadow Legends with the breaking news! Again, I'm sorry you're not in a place in life where you're ready to accept criticism, even something not content related. How about instead of a pissing match where you control the narrative, you just ask your audience if they would like less ads on your channel.

[@JesseSpec]

@@maxwellkruger8411 Keep going buddy! Thanks for the engagement! ;-)

[@chezlunati2494]

Kinda bored me to death

[@JesseSpec]

What did?