How To Land FPV With Massive Uptilt

[@Plur307]

This is why I just end every flight with a hard crash. Much easier.

[@deadbeatbrad5484]

i'm finally breaking my bad habit of using an evergreen tree as my landing net

[@melody3741]

As a new pilot waiting for my drone to ship from china, i already know the place im going to fly first and it has tall grass i will land in

[@trentw26]

-"as a new pilot" - "I will land" bahahahahahahahaa

[@alexandert5960]

Trent Wainwright first day flying, i can confirm i did land upsidedown

[@trentw26]

My first flight, I flew full throttle, upside down, into asphalt. Bought the flight simulator soon after...lol

[@MicroRCFiend]

I agree with the turning while landing for more control plus it feels like a parallel turn stop in skiing where you kick up some snow. I do feel both aileron and elev as well as throttle allow more finesse on landings than a straight line like an airliner.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+MicroRCFiend I had the same thought. Like a skidding stop on ice skates is what I thought of. I think another reason it's helpful is that the more sideways you are turned, the more your up-tilt turns into back-tilt. Think about it. So effectively, by yawing and rolling sideways of your direction of motion, you are reducing the up-tilt of the camera. Of course, you can't see where you're going any more, but if you've established that you're clear in that direction, it's no big deal. Also, as I mentioned, the camera is wider than it is tall, even with 4:3 standard-def, so you get a bit more view of the ground by rolling to the side.

[@alaawtarawneh]

I find it easy to switch to Level Mode when I want to land , so do all the action in ACRO then switch to Level mode to land safely

[@bitsinmyblood]

I played a lot of Arma 3 and flew a lot of choppers with joystick. The concept is the same as you're suggestion of turning. It just makes sense, in terms of visibility and 'spotting' your landing, but it also allows you to kill your speed way more quickly thanks simply moving forward.

[@acesontilt77]

Thanks for the tips Josh! I just upped my flight cam and runcam to a 35 degree tilt. I have been quite literally doing circles on my landing areas to insure a smooth landing. I have been using a fixed point like you suggest for landing reference but still find myself giving it more throttle when I'm close the the ground. Its like im not trusting the height of the quad or something. But again I just went from a 20 degree tilt " I could see the ground" to this 3 flights ago and its something im definitely going to take your advice on. Thanks again for all the great vids bro keep em coming!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

If you are very sensitive, you may be able to notice when the copter enters ground effect as a sign that you're near the ground.

[@BruceLuckcuck]

On my copters with lots of camera tilt I like to use angle mode to land (assuming I don't have the accelerometer disabled!). At the end of the flight simply click it into angle mode and baby it back into the landing area. The advantage is that it reduces your workload and makes it easier to attain a zero velocity hover and then you simply descend slowly to the ground. Really helpful in windy conditions as well.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Bruce Luckcuck boooo accelerometer! boooo autolevel! booooo!

[@BruceLuckcuck]

Joshua Bardwell Boo all you want! All I know is that I always make smooth, right-side-up landings and the rest of flying group tends to make… how to say it nicely… "interesting" landings! :) Note that I only use angle mode for landing on quads with lots of camera tilt. I always take off and fly in rate mode.

[@noladroneworxllc3115]

NO auto level for you! Awesome. Very helpful. Especially the drift

[@MallyFPV]

Love using a 2.1mm lens, you can definitely see more of the ground, and you also need less tilt on the cam to reach high speed without only seeing the ground. Not to mention the wider FOV also gives you more spacial awareness.

[@TheImperfectGent]

Nice video Joshua. I often do the sideways stop maneuver as well, although I never really thought about it.

[@justinspirational]

I think it's time they put the FPV cam on a tilting servo connected to the turning knob channel on your TX so you can manually adjust the camera angle on the fly and reduce for take off/landing and increase for fast flying exactly as you need..

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It has been done. A servo is far too fragile IMO to put on a mini quad.

[@justinspirational]

Joshua Bardwell yeah. seen the pan and tilt cameras in action in long range fixed wing FPV platforms.. great with those had tracking FPV goggles.. just tilt alone in the FPV quad cam with head tilt tracking would be cool.. maybe inside some kind of protective cage..

[@melody3741]

You could use an aluminum worm gear that would be pretty durable and only require a tiny motor.

[@jacepoulsen]

justinspirational million dollar ides

[@TopherHax]

What would be easier and is coming one day is a virtual gimbal that pans up/down. Similar to parrot drones, or even gopro.

[@HerbsmanRevs]

Great tips bud cheers. I tried 45deg the other day and was struggling on landings, so I went back to 40deg and just about managed, though I prefer 45 in flight. I'll try your methods out this weekend ;)

[@michael-y8c]

Beautiful place you have there love your work cheers from Australia.

[@skunkman62]

Yes, upright counts. Great video as usual.

[@quadcoptersandairguns1283]

going to a 1.8mm lens will let you land with a 50 degree cam angle and fairly easy. I personally LOVE 1.8mm lens and I fly hard freestyle with 1.8mm and when in shooting thru race gates then I will use a 2.1mm lens.. once you fly 1.8mm lens and get used to it flying anything else just doesn't feel good.. it also makes wall climbs and dives very much easier to get setup.. I fly 35 to 40 degrees of tilt when racing and I fly 50 to 55 degrees when freestyle flying with that much uptilt it does become a challenge to land and not mess up props.. another way to do it, come in and yaw 180 degrees around and put it down the second you see movement almost stop, that takes a lot of practice to get the timing right and being at the right height as you come in.. most times that's how I do it, but it took a lot of take off, come in and lands to get it where I could do it 95% of the time perfectly.. once you have it right you can sit the copter down as gently as you can if you was flying zero tilt, it just takes time to learn it, going with a 1.8mm lens and you don't have to worry about it unless you fly stupid amounts of tilt, 1.8mm lens and 40 degrees of tilt you will be able to land without any thought because you can see so much. I loveeee my Swifts with 1.8mm lens on them, almost as much as I love My Eagle 2's.. ain't gonna lie tho, when flying in tight structure going from a normal 2.5mm lens to a 1.8mm lens is gonna take some getting used to if you have been flying a while and getting decent... but once you get to liking the 1.8s you will not wanna fly anything else.

[@LEmon-ln3sj]

I can tell you how i do that, im just going to place where i want to land > switch to angle mode and then land. Maybe if future i will not need that solution but for now when im noob in fpv it works well :D

[@blackmennewstyle]

That's really a massive uptilt indeed :O

[@flapflapflap88]

LOL @ the end bit ! Accelerometer? I laugh in the face of accelerometer !

[@LeakyMeat]

Thanks for this video, very helpful, I have just fitted a 2.1mm lens to hopefully help with landings as was one of the many solutions you suggested on a previous video but have yet to fly with it. The picture does look pretty distorted and objects appear much further away (dead ahead) than they actually are, I just hope my brain can adjust to it. I can still see the ground however which was the aim.

[@prOkrEAt]

+LeakyMeat i love 2.1mm... 2.8mm makes me feel like i have blinders on. not only can you see the ground below, you can see more to the sides which is nice proximity flying.

[@LeakyMeat]

+prOkrEAt sweet, im looking forward to trying it, i experimented in the Hotprops sim putting the fov to it highest setting and i must admit it felt much easier to see for making turns and flips also (which i struggle with), seemed like the horizon was out of view for less time.

[@xtian3188]

good one. better than removing goggles and having a spotter pointing out your quad to land LOS

[@rickc7151]

I struggled with this early on when I first started tilting my camera's...first noticed it on my Alien when I built it with the camera at max tilt and having never flown with that much tilt, I burned several minutes trying to land) What I do now is just assign angle mode to my flight switch and flip into angle mode when I land. from that point I just use the throttle and let the copter level itself. Takes some getting used to just like anything but works very well IMO

[@rickc7151]

+Rick C my bad I didn't wait till the end of your vid) lol

[@doktordrone]

thank you very much, and best wishes for you, JB 🙏🙏🤘👍👍🍺

[@dhardjono]

this is a good one Joshua

[@markg55]

I keep thinking about adding a crappy tiny little lightweight landing camera underneath the main one with a video switcher. Should only total a few grams and no moving parts to break.

[@melody3741]

That would be sick... What kind of video switcher would you use? Do you have a link to one

[@storyofyunjune2175]

Does it make sense if I use fish-nets in the early stage of learning to land?

[@micahmorton]

+Joshua Bardwell This video reminds me - I would love to see you do a video/test on the betaflight feature roll_yaw_cam_mix_degrees.

[@MasterMayhem78]

I've had an idea floating around in my head for a while. I build lots of foamie fixed wing and have a bunch of servos laying around. Some quad receivers have the ability to add a couple accessories through an AUX port. I'm considering attaching the camera to a servo on a two or three way switch. Have a set angle for flight, and an angle for landing at the flip of a switch. What do you think? If anything, it would be fun to try.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+RadioActive RC sure that would work.

[@ernestfpv8540]

it works but not in racers, first high speed crash and your servo and camera will fly away or atleast break :)

[@JoshuaBardwell]

QuadQuestions makes a servo version of the QQ190. Suggests it's possible to get it right.

[@luisbaltazar1]

i've considered that too, but it'd only be viable in large quads, maybe 250 and above.

[@NoWheelDrive]

I wonder what's the perfect time to kill the throttle? I think I miss the spot and my drone starts to roll on the ground like crazy.

[@Invitingsauce]

Man I find landing FPV with up-tilt so hard. I usually have to LOS land. I'll give this a try.

[@stran92129]

trees trees if only we had trees! so cal is consider a desert, so our trees well if you can see them you have already landed.

[@MrGolden28473]

thanks for the video, it's going to help a lot.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Hope so. Happy flying!

[@zekeisme1]

do you use a 2.1 lens. if not what do u prefer?

[@luisbaltazar1]

there that's something you don't have to worry about if you're using a monitor rather than goggles. you just come in and land it line of sight, so much easier!

[@TheSaucePacket]

are you in the VA/WV area? Nice looking property - thanks for your piloting

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Josh Redman Knoxville

[@Tritone_b5]

Joshua, have you tried to land using more yaw in "sideslip" like landing? i could post a video to show it to you..

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+su33seaflanker yup for sure. That's my approach when I don't have a visual reference.

[@dhardjono]

have you done a video on acro plus ? if not will you .

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I haven't. I'll put it in the queue.

[@NitrousBanshee]

How couldn't people think of this..? I do this just becaise I didnt know of any other way to land. Good video though.

[@VIVAFPV]

how does it happens that we still have no autolanding mode on betaflight

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+fpvYou Betaflight is for racing and acro. Maybe iNav is what you want?

[@Man13471]

it is much more challenging for us landing with high uptilt in the desert :D no tree! just land and sky!!

[@matthiasweber6341]

Manoo you are so right!

[@RCSurf]

" Excellent " in the voice of Dr. Burns from Simpsons

[@jemlittle1787]

super helpful bro, star :) thanks

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Jem Little (Formula FPV) Thanks for watching! Glad it's helpful.

[@8alakai8]

that auto level i started in acro if you have flown rc helis before then you wont like auto level and i think you can make small corrections in corners better

[@mchevalier77]

I don't have the luxury of landing on mowed grass. For me it's rocks, sand, brush and sage so I have to land on a piece of carpet. I have camera tilt servos on my quads for that.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Whatever works!

[@samuelyang6463]

So guys... what you do is add auto stabilization to one of your switches then slowly descend.

[@dragonfivefpv3614]

I am new at FPV. What angle of uptilt that most of the top racer do?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Dragonfive FPV I don't know what most people do, but IMO if you want to go fast, you should be at least at 30 degrees.

[@dragonfivefpv3614]

+Joshua Bardwell Okay, thank you. Curently I am using 30°. By the way all of your videos are really helpful. Subscribed :)

[@markjennings2315]

Why not use the level mark on the osd. then descend

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Mark Jennings my osd doesn't have a level mark.

[@airbuzzone3760]

Is that the house from Liftoff?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The house from Liftoff is my house LOL.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

@@JoshuaBardwell And it's pretty cool to be able to virtually rip around that nice property of yours that we've come to know so well from your videos. Well, I say rip, but as I'm a beginner, it's more like crash. Repeatedly... ;) ps: the guys that make Liftoff are located 15m from where I live. Was kinda cool to find out it's not just a Belgian product, but actually from the next town over. :D

[@jamesduke151]

bro lives in the liftoff house map 💀

[@BendApparatus]

Yes he does... literally...

[@seth1530]

it is easy, take your goggles off, then land.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+seth davenport I am very near-sighted. I have -6 diopter prescription. I could not possibly fly LOS responsibly without my glasses on. I would have to raise the goggles, get my glasses out of my pocket, and put my glasses on, all without losing control of the copter. Not so easy after all, huh.

[@seth1530]

Joshua Bardwell oh gosh lol I guess it would be okay for me, knock on wood i still have 20/20 vision.

[@stanjd]

+seth davenport What about the change in light. You'll be blinded for a second when you take those goggles off. I've done that before trying to save a landing. Most of the time I just disarm flat above the ground and let it land on the bottom a foot or so off the ground.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I find I have a decent feel for when I'm level if I have to blind land.

[@stanjd]

+Joshua Bardwell lol you're a better pilot than me, sir. I normally opt for a 1-2ft disarm drop landing. flat on its belly in the grass never broke anything. also my multirotor likes to bounce and flip over if I touch down kinda hard which has broke props in the past. It sucks to fly 3 or 4 packs on a set of props and lose some to a landing haha.

[@DennisSantos]

I like landing in tall grass.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

How do you clean your drone? I find the grass gets everywhere and sticks like a motherf*...

[@DennisSantos]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees I've never cleaned it. Grass just ends up drying and failing off by its own.

[@king7thGen]

actually here in Florida a lot of people fly with 2.5. the 2.1 is two fish bowl for me

[@marinehm]

At the end of this clip, you state "no accelerometer". Can you explain why?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Using autolevel to land would require the accelerometer to be enabled.

[@gryffincook7625]

Something really interesting to do in a video on camera tilt would be looking at mattystuntz's latest video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJW5p6eNnLSfaNU ) where is he showing what 60 degrees of uptilt which allows him to get crazy 3D-like performance, pretty much flying upside down at points and doing such crazy maneuvers as "Pirouette Proxy Flips (6:18 mark),"Inverted Alley Op" (2:04 mark), and the mind blowing "Knife Edge Turns" (2:47 mark)

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Gryffin Cook What if I already had that video scheduled for release very soon...

[@gryffincook7625]

caaannot wait :)

[@Lpabmendez]

I had horrible comedic landings.... recently switched to 2.1mm fpv lens... problem solved

[@MrLukkar]

Just turn into self stabilize Mode, or take of your goggles.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

+Łukasz Karasewicz take off your goggles doesn't work when you have terrible vision like I do.

[@masoninnovation]

I fly 2.1mm

[@maxun1]

No comments.

[@melody3741]

maxun1 isnt this a comment?

[@gregorydahl]

Gyro gyro 😄