How To Lose A Guy In 10 Days is Hilariously Awkward! (Movie Commentary & Reaction)

How To Lose A Guy In 10 Days movie commentary reaction
How To Lose A Guy In 10 Days is awkward and fun, in that kind of tough to watch but ultimately pretty cool kind of way. We had a great time making this movie commentary and reaction video for a surprisingly fun and classic rom com
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[@kaydecrosby5148]

Ive watched this movie about ten times but still never fails to give me second hand embarrassment on some parts, but is still one of my favorites movies it ends so well

[@brynniefresh9746]

I watched this the first time this year and I’ve watched it like 4 times 😂 I love it but it is very cringe tho that’s intentional

[@theflowerhead]

Lmao, how do you deal with the cringe? 😅

[@liseyboop]

ever since we had DVR as kid my mom and i just fast forward a couple seconds every time it gets too much 🤣🤣🤣

[@videohistory722]

A lot of the crazy stuff Kate Hudson was doing was actually improvised. Most notably, "You think I'm some sort of... MENTAL PERSON!" And plastering Matthew McConaughey with kisses. This is why McConaughey looks genuinely surprised.

[@indierock110]

omg the “mental person” reaction that explains the genuine look of shock on their faces 😂 thank you for that that scene always makes me laugh 😂

[@tlahmed]

I laugh so hard at that scene 🤣

[@tiffanykim2773]

Andy 100% knew that Ben was going to go through her bag, it's why she left it there 😂😂😂.

[@themoviebudz1988]

Oh we knew, we just both can't stand those kinds of dating tactics because they encourage people to violate personal boundaries and rely on arbitrary "signals" in favour of communicating clearly - Stef

[@-chenlanying5818]

​@@themoviebudz1988​​1:00:16 "a lot of the magazines heydays, part of the reason why they were so respected was because they covered groundbreaking material. For example, in 1966, "Glamour" was the 1st fashion magazine to feature a black woman, Katiti Kironde, as the cover model, a gesture towards inclusion admid the Civil Rights movement. And in 1976, dozens of editors of women's and teen's magazines agreed to cover the Equal Rights Amendment with stories that would reach their collective at 60 million readers." Taken from Mina Le on her "The life and death of fashion magazine" video. So in conclusion, fashion magazine wasn't just covering about fashion, it also cover nutrition, sexual assault statistics, mental health and so much more. It was also coming from legitamite sources and had dozens of fact checkers on it

[@dgirl786]

Always fun to see you guys doing classic rom-coms. Could you please add 'Never Been Kissed' and 'Just Like Heaven' to the list? Ta. 🧡

[@CezzL]

Ooooh I second Never Been Kissed! 😁

[@Orion_TheyThem]

JUST LIKE HEAVEN YESSSSSSS

[@brynniefresh9746]

I second Just Like Heaven 🙏

[@lindawilson8154]

I love Just Like Heaven.

[@MysticWolfMagic]

Just Like Heaven is one of my absolute favorites. Reese Witherspoon and Mark Ruffalo are perfect.

[@alexroberts2421]

One thing I will say, if she faked being vegetarian, then Ben should've picked up on the fact that their first date was eating lobster. But then again, Ben wasn't that observant.

[@erinp.420]

Some vegetarians eat fish and seafood…

[@nedeljkababic5826]

​@@erinp.420 that would be a pescatarian

[@mackaylachan402]

@@nedeljkababic5826correct. But she doesn’t ever actually call herself a vegetarian. She simply says she wishes she ate meat.

[@thenotsodaringdevil]

This has always been my favorite rom com because they're both doing messed up stuff to the other. It feels more even that way vs something like 10 Things I Hate About You or She's All That. I'm not ragging on those movies but I can always watch this one without thinking about the moral implications because they're both messing with each other.

[@nuffyj8614]

I always thought Ben's con was worse than Andi's. He was legit playing with her emotions -- trying to make her fall in love regardless of how he felt; odds were after the 10 days were up, he'd break up with her after working so hard to make her love him -- but if Andi had done this without him having a bet going to keep him in it, he would have left/ghosted her and just had a wild story to tell his friends. I understand why they were both mad at the end, since they felt duped and had both caught the feels, but just with the optics of where they started, Ben's bet is worse.

[@WarmLittleDiamond90]

For real. I don't get how this isn't very obvious. Someone trying to make you literally love them for a bet is a lot worse than someone being deliberately annoying so that you'll dump them for an article.

[@harley69]

I don’t know man, making someone scared for their well being by doing insane things like gas light them and change their whole life around is pretty serious. Andi was doing and saying the type of stuff that makes people scared to break up with people.

[@sandnin1]

Typical that you would downplay Andi's actions.

[@heyitsmira17]

The point of the movie is that both were doing a horrible thing and manipulating someone just to get a promotion. His bet was more manipulative, but her bet would deliberately expose him at the end of the 10 days, not to mention that she was also verymanipulative herself. Both were in the wrong and later were hypocrites about while calling the other one out for it. They were on the same level.

[@nuffyj8614]

How would she expose him? She wouldn’t have named him in the article, and he and his friends aren’t exactly the target audience for the magazine - they would have left each others’ lives with just memories and stories to tell their friends. Obviously there was no need for her to actually go through and do all of this to write her article, so I’m not saying she’s blameless or anything, but if it had been any other guy, he would have left way before, and she wouldn’t have escalated as far. And it’s not like she was intending on being a scary stalker afterward. When he came *close* to breaking it off, she even tried to finish it for him to just leave, but then he came back because of his bet that he wasn’t willing to give up on (and at that point, do you think he was planning to stay with her after the gala?). Her goal was literally to get him to leave, so they could go back to their separate lives. I still think that intentionally trying to play with someone’s emotions to make them love you no matter your feelings for them is more egregious than being excessively annoying as an experiment to see how long someone, who could very easily leave the situation, will put up with it - that’s still not a good thing to do, but when weighed on the scales, they’re not equal.

[@videohistory722]

There was an estimated $14,200,000 worth of jewels lent to the film for the gala scene. The dress Andie wears was designed around the 84-carat yellow diamond pendant. It was designed by fashion designer Dina Bar-El. Andies necklace wears a Harry Winston diamond wreath necklace with an 84-carat yellow diamond pendant (called the "Isadora") attached, valued at approximately $5,280,000 and a pair of 5-carat radiant cut yellow diamond stud earrings worth approximately $125,000. Lana's dress is by Chanel, and her diamond tiara is real.

[@monio.9444]

Couldn't they have just used artificial diamonds and be done with it? Nobody would have known :))

[@English3Muffin]

@@monio.9444 There are absolutely people who would notice. Not me, but generally if films or shows have the budget or connections to make things as realistic as possible, I think they prefer to do that.

[@evildoesnotsleep-x2b]

That's the attention to detail that makes a film great

[@misstriciak]

​​@@monio.9444 Viewers and critics would have noticed and it would have tamed the value of the movie, this is a big Hollywood production, not a cartoon

[@asleegraves4901]

one of the most iconic movies of all time... so many moments in this movie live in my head rent free.

[@londontiptonreacts]

You let it die? Are you gonna let us die?

[@neydaa_]

Our love fern 😂 And you’re so vain !!!! Ladies of NY frost yourselves 😂

[@ChefNourhan]

I agree his family’s dynamic was very realistic didn’t feel forced at all best part about the film for me personally glad you noted it

[@El_Ezra_Meitar5]

They actually both can sing well 😅 Your guys' disappointment at the ending was so funny though 🤣🤣

[@tiyabear]

Romcoms give people a reader’s digest version of most professions, but working in media women’s/fashion magazines can and do branch out to heavier topics. Teen Vogue and Bustle immediately come to mind, Andie’s editor just doesn’t want to. And in this context it wasn’t unreasonable to take Lana at her word when she said if she wrote a must-read column she could write, “whatever you want.”

[@michelle6337]

Would love to see you guys check out The Wedding Planner some time. It was one of my favorite rom-coms growing up and I still love it, but it would be interesting to get your take on some of the more morally questionable plot points.

[@billybay7248]

I LOVE that movie!!

[@emthegem9866]

Actually I think they might have done that one

[@clickymcclick7924]

OMG and 27 Dresses! In my head they have similar vibes, idk

[@andieolson5693]

"If she's sick, why is she at work?" America. Bc this takes place in America😂😂

[@krose6451]

Sadly yes. I hoped with covid it would change but nah.

[@evildoesnotsleep-x2b]

hi buds! long time fan of your funny reactions and empathetic takes on romcoms especially. you said they don't make as many romcoms as before and though it's (sadly) true can i recommend you some of late i loved? long shot with charlize theron, sandra bullock's the lost city, crush and the lalf of it (both lgbtqi). thank you for appreciatinng this artform that had been delegated to low culture for so long and making me rewatch old classics

[@themoviebudz1988]

Hey bud! Much appreciation for the support. Funny enough, all those movies are on our list! Can't guarantee when exactly we'll be able to get around to them, but I definitely agree that romcoms are massively underappreciated in the media landscape. Always good to hear people like yourself can appreciate them 😊 - Stef

[@made-line7627]

So excited for The Lost City

[@ifeelpretty5790]

@@themoviebudz1988. While You Were Sleeping is a great 90s Sandra Bullock romcom!

[@grayweathersby5028]

34:40 as an artist I greatly appreciate this sentiment, it makes me so sad when KZbinrs I like take brand deals promoting AI art. Glad I can always count on you guys 😭

[@plainrosiejane]

to be fair about Andy's ambitions, VOGUE is a very well 'round magazine that does much more than "just Fashion" pieces. though it feels like this mag they're spoofing is Cosmo which ... yeah. its not Vogue lol.

[@themoviebudz1988]

Exactly! Definitely got more Cosmo vibes from her job (aka not good ones lol) - Stef

[@jordanmarie24]

Yes, love this movie! I just recently found your guys' channel and have been binging it like crazy! So happy to have found your channel and can't wait for more! :)

[@themoviebudz1988]

Awww, thanks so much! 😁 - Sam

[@sarkyblueeyes9357]

One thing I never got with this movie is why she couldn’t test her theories on losing a guy and make up the article if it didn’t work. This was 2003? No social media back then to expose the lie to the public. She can easily come clean to him after only 10 days. Or even better, after the first night and you have a genuine connection, change tact and say, ‘Hey, my boss wants me to write an article about what turns a guy off. Can I pick your brain?’ It’s a good icebreaker.

[@sydneypeck2488]

Well, she kind of seems like the type of person who wants to do things all the way

[@sarkyblueeyes9357]

@@sydneypeck2488 Valid. For better or worse. I guess I always choose self preservation. She chose chaos.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

When I saw the title, I said to myself: “Alright, alright, alright.”

[@TheQuashingoftheTub]

"You gotta name it something masculine. . . Spike!" My TF fanfic loving ass: **CHOKES WITH DISQUIETED DIGNITY AND GRACE**

[@alexandraburton232]

32:55 made me spit take laugh, well done! Hope you guys can add the Rom-Coms "My big Fat Greek Wedding" and "The Holiday" to your list. I would love to hear if you had any similarities to the family dynamics/situations Toula does, and in "The Holiday" Jack Black is such a sweetie! Also hope the 'Coco' issue is going alright. If you want to do another animated adventure I would love to see your reactions to "Rescuers Down Under" (see how well Disney showcases the Aussie outback) and "Atlantis The Lost Empire".

[@eliana8834]

Stephs jokes in the beginning pain me EVERYTIME 😂😂😂

[@Itsezyyyy__]

My favorite part and line of the movie tho is her saying “you calling my bluff?” before their second real kiss lol it’s cute and just another way to ask if he called for her bullshit😂

[@salemsaberhagen1570]

This really made my night. Felt like I was watching a movie with friends. Could you guys add "While you were sleeping" to the list?

[@gabrielmauller8137]

“Drunk and tone deaf is a bad combination.”

[@ChefNourhan]

The most unrealistic part is that they weren’t eternally turned off by one another after all this 😂

[@NickiTwix]

“I’m gonna wake up with my junk all glued together” hahah what ?! 🤣 that’s so random to me 🤣

[@jimmiejam508]

i could not ever watch this movie more than once so i’m glad y’all are reacting so my second hand embarrassment turns into third hand embarrassment !

[@tonzyjc]

It's a classic ! Love their chemistry

[@ashleehughes1194]

The Careless Whisper joke made me have to pause the video and have a full on laughing fit. That was great. 😂

[@themoviebudz1988]

I was heaps proud of that one, so thank you very much ☺️😄 - Stef

[@SayaCeline]

This movie is like the poster child for a Saturday afternoon Rom-Com. Its' easy to watch, really kind of dumb but the leads are so charming and enjoyable!!

[@dancingsun2]

I love when you guys do romcoms, its so fun to watch something silly that I havent seen in awhile or havent seen at all and get to hear your thoughts on it :)

[@made-line7627]

Katherine's face at 44:50 is priceless 👏🏼 And I've always just wanted to know what Andy and his mum's phone conversation was like, and how she felt about Andy asking for his baby photos. Did the mum ask how long they'd been dating? "He's taking her to the second location" 😂

[@toriecarter2711]

I saw this movie growing up, fairly often~ So, when I learned Kate Hudson was going to be in Glee, I was like "are you sure about that?" while You're So Vain was ringing in my ears~~~ But she stole the scene in multiple performances in Glee^.^

[@jenthejen]

omg this is one of my favorites! i can already tell im gonna be rewatching this

[@themoviebudz1988]

Glad to hear that 😋 hope you enjoy it, Jen! - Sam

[@jenthejen]

@@themoviebudz1988 loved it! The basketball commentary along with the dating/masculinity discussions was I'm on the cake.

[@Suzy24]

I love when they sing You’re So Vain 😂🤣

[@personafanatic4597]

love this movie but got it confused with Failure to Launch a few times lol they're both so talented at acting

[@dhanashreewankhede5892]

I've started appreciating these movies again but in a much healthy way than, before, cuz had the same toxic notions that some of the scenes portrayed, but honestly now, i have learnt a lot better and again a much healthy way of looking and living at life... So thank you guys!!

[@DERicHawk-qu4oh]

The card game and the theme around it is my favorite part.

[@sarkyblueeyes9357]

So many romcoms from this era were based on articles/books on ‘how not to date’. Like they were trying to legitimise the dying magazine agony aunt trade. I think Hitch was. He’s Just Not That Into You as well. Confessions of a Shopaholic to a degree. 27 Dresses maybe. Similar themes.

[@tayshardae]

I always wondered if I should watch this movie and I'm so glad I never did! Ugh like you can not convince me that they should be together 😂

[@eleannamou]

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WANTING THIS!! It's 2am and sleep can wait.

[@brianng8350]

Always like your common sense and worldly wisdom comments to the movies.

[@themoviebudz1988]

Thank you 😊 - Sam

[@jdmarinelli3]

I literally screamed when I saw this post this is one of my favorite movies

[@stephaniefrost4910]

4:42 omg she is! Also love the HIMYM reference 🥰 one of my favorite shows!

[@clickymcclick7924]

I remember bits an pieces of this movie from when I was young, and I don't think I understood the concept of their respective deals at all, because I remember getting to the end and wondering why the heck they suddenly liked each other.

[@mariannesigley9086]

They fell in love at bens parents place. Did you forget that? They became there real selfs. 😮

[@stephaniefrost4910]

14:49 very good point! It takes a certain type of charm to make that “move” work (Also I forgot how good Humphrey Bogart looked in a fedora 😍)

[@videohistory722]

They're not actually watching the knicks game. They're standing in front of a green screen and using footage of the most recent game. Which means yes, they actually DID win!

[@persgodiva]

I love when you guys do rom-coms! You should definitely do "What happens in Vegas", Cameron Diaz and Ashton Kutcher work SO well together!

[@videohistory722]

Nearly the WHOLE scene with the family album was improvised!

[@mariannesigley9086]

No it’s not only the beginning, remember the time at his parents towards the end? They both became their real selfs. Then they fell in love.

[@user-bs1xj7um5g]

28:46 the look of the horror 😂😂😂 yeah, I’m kind of agree about the ending. Also, I know that you guys didn’t do horror movies much but The Skeleton Key with Kate Hudson is so great, such an underrated gem even if I’m not a big fan of her.

[@videohistory722]

The film marks the acting reunion of Adam Goldberg and Matthew McConaughey who had last appeared together 3 years earlier in 1999's Edtv and 6 years prior to that in 1993's Dazed and Confused (1993).

[@laurenokeeffe4059]

Poor Hazel. But also I can relate to them, I mess up right and left also. I use my rings as reference. Lol 😊

[@themoviebudz1988]

Funny enough, I found out more recently it's a common neurodivergent thing (they're on the autistic spectrum) so I feel a bit guilty for teasing them now 😅. But just so you know for next time, I messed up and forgot that this was filmed before my partner publicly changed their name to 'Zephyr' so I should have cut that bit where I used their old name. No offense taken though, I promise 😊 - Stef

[@laurenokeeffe4059]

@@themoviebudz1988 my apologies to them for the name mishap.

[@themoviebudz1988]

No worries bud 😊

[@jow2716]

a mordern romcom that I loved and would recommend is "The Broken Heart Gallery" not enough people talk about it in my opinion, but I love the concept and the lead actors!

[@erincosta565]

George is never gonna dance againg 🤣🤣🤣

[@Erikisaqtpye]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE! Literally one of my faves

[@TheAlexmanrique318]

i YELLED when i saw “Tears don’t Fall” by bullet for my valentine. i thought i was the only one that listened to them!!!!!

[@AlastorsShadowDemon]

You too?! (Minus the “only one listening” part.) I adore bullet. Such a great band.

[@themoviebudz1988]

One of mine and Maria’s favourite bands 😊 - Sam

[@indierock110]

same! I love that song! and band. I played it right after this reaction 👍🏼great reaction video as always !!

[@JuliSolGarcia]

The way I decided to watch this movie yesterday randomlyyyy, the universe aligned

[@chelseat177]

I’m 30 and fashion magazines actually do cover politics! In the 90’s-early 2000’s I remember even 17 Magazine and Cosmo covering politics and national/international news.

[@rosivard]

Time difference will never let me watch a video on time hahaha but I'm here now, thanks guys❤

[@LNaomi1]

Seeing Katherine Hahn reminded me I NEED you guys to do Bad Moms please 😭 Great vid as always 🫶🏾

[@unclewiley1986]

I was rewatching th Hocus Pocus 2 video and you guys mentioned fake bloopers, in honor of the Barbie movie dropping maybe you guys can react to some of the animations? The older ones had fake bloopers at the end!

[@besupaaa]

I watched this when it came out, it's gonna be my first rewatch, but i have a FEELING it didn't age well, probably.

[@jenntpwk]

Finally had my name in the intro 😂

[@safaahalayiqa6734]

Oh, you don't know guys how much I love you, and I hope to have a friend or lover who has the same way of thinking and morals as you guys, watching you is always fun, wishing you the best.

[@cherrylattimore99]

a good Sautrdnigth movie ith friends, Rainly miserable Saturday for me stuck in the hospital and couldn't think of two better guys to hang out with. thanks for helping to always pass the time. SEe you tomorrow for chatting on Sunday/Morning! Great job guys!

[@themoviebudz1988]

I hope you’re doing ok Cherry! See you at the stream 😊 - Sam

[@ambercarpenter9500]

Movie flaws: she ate lobster with him first but can't eat meat. Why I never notice that 😂

[@x333Dariex333]

just finished my run, so this is perfect cooldown time :D

[@themoviebudz1988]

Nice! 😁 - Sam

[@ten-ze1pq]

Omg yes!!! Been hoping for this one for a while ❤️

[@-chenlanying5818]

​​1:00:16 "a lot of the magazines heydays, part of the reason why they were so respected was because they covered groundbreaking material. For example, in 1966, "Glamour" was the 1st fashion magazine to feature a black woman, Katiti Kironde, as the cover model, a gesture towards inclusion admid the Civil Rights movement. And in 1976, dozens of editors of women's and teen's magazines agreed to cover the Equal Rights Amendment with stories that would reach their collective at 60 million readers." Taken from Mina Le on her "The life and death of fashion magazine" video. So in conclusion, fashion magazine wasn't just covering about fashion, it also cover nutrition, sexual assault statistics, mental health and so much more. It was also coming from legitamite sources and had dozens of fact checkers on it

[@javellfowler4347]

I desperately need to see/hear you guys commentary/reaction to Brokeback mountain next ❤❤❤❤

[@mead0ws0vergrown]

i second this! 💕

[@krose6451]

My vote would be Under The Tuscan Sun

[@themoviebudz1988]

Oof, I have wanted to watch that movie for ages, but I heard from a friend how it ended and it may be too heavy for the channel 😔 - Stef

[@celeste_xo]

Thank god it was saved 🙏🏼 iconic movie even tho I hate Matthew McConaughey 😂 Kate is so stunning in this movie 🔥

[@GiArruda]

i had a blast watching this, thank you guys!

[@themoviebudz1988]

Glad to hear it! Thanks for tuning in 😄 - Stef

[@beckettfitz1982]

Oh and Hitch!

[@fkajackiebrown_]

i would love for you guys (or any reactors, really..) to do a commentary on Never Been Kissed. its a classic. and plus, drew barrymore. we like her.

[@KSDVLmom]

Wow you guys totally understand. Especially hit hard at min 8:01 .. at 51 I wish I had a dollar for Everytime I heard. 'Why are YOU still single?' I'm like how many good single men do you know? They are all snatched up

[@Jefferson_starkid]

Sam's "oh...oh no" at Andie calling Ben's dick Princess Sophia mad me spit out my water lol

[@Suzy24]

I love this movie 😍

[@afry6400]

Have you guys looked into Some Kind of Wonderful? It ran the same range of Pretty in Pink and St Elmos Fire.

[@throughthebookingglass4190]

the thing about this movie a lot of people seem to miss is that they are being equally horrible. everyone is like “i feel so bad for him, she’s torturing him” and that’s true but he doesn’t have to put up with it. he’s using her for his own selfish reasons as well. that’s the delight of it. they both had selfish intentions and they’re both getting a little bit of karma for it. honestly, getting stuck with andi is his best case scenario, otherwise he would’ve been manipulating some guileless woman who thought she was earnestly falling for him and that would’ve been horrible to watch rather than goofily cringey.

[@heyally7615]

Who are Sam and Stef talking about at 27:50? I can't hear and the captions don't work.

[@sexylexy178]

This move and Hitch, are the worst of their kind

[@peterlewis2178]

It's crazy that I just (re)watched this a couple days ago, and now you drop this. P.S. I say (re) because I'm pretty sure I'd seen it before, but didn't remember it. I think I recognized the title and basic premise, and two scenes were familiar to me, but other than that it was all fresh.

[@NickiTwix]

Yeah I really love this movie, think it’s hilarious and it’s just a comfort one for me but I do think I’d of liked the ending more if they had their little song battle, chase outside then after the guy interrupts and they yell they kinda just laugh about it and are like wtf we’re being ridiculous

[@Itsezyyyy__]

I agree that realistically they’d both be laughing about it which is predictably what’ll happen since they can just look back and laugh about it after actually getting together. They’re just mad at each other bc they love each other ig cause why else would they care?

[@sarkyblueeyes9357]

The friend pretending to be the therapist knew what gaslighting is before it was a buzzword.

[@kayasaki86]

I loved this movie as a teenager but now as adult it is super creepy and uncomfortable jajajajajaja

[@ahhhh2430]

I loved the video, I have been watching you guys for awhile now but I don't really comment. All I want to say is that I enjoyed the video and I miss the mics that you hold but the new ones are cool too. Good job.

[@alwanyuli]

I know this is totally random but please watch Crazy Stupid Love 😊

[@FernwoodGirl]

If you want a fun modern romcom you should check out Always Be My Maybe with Ali Wong and Randall Park….and Keanu Reeves (who plays himself).

[@Itsezyyyy__]

Lol there’s always gotta be a conflict after they’ve both fucked up and fallen for each other before the actual happy ending like you’d think they’d skip the whole “conflict” of finding out they’re using each other bc they know they’re both being hypocritical so they really can’t be mad at one another since they’re perfect together lol

[@Karla_Marie91]

They actually did do a somewhat follow up movie called Fool's Gold which is actually a pretty good movie also.

[@vwfq2011]

I once watched this movie a plane, and the funniest thing was that they changed "bullshit" to "bullspit" but left the shower scene in as it was 😂

[@wjquick32]

That Spider-Man joke was incredible! Uncle Ben 😅

[@PokhrajRoy.]

So sorry to hear that there was a delay. Then again, better late than never.

[@nerd26373]

Keep working hard. Have a good day

[@Gay4Stevie]

This is def one of my fav movies ever

[@mandlerparr1]

In the late 90's, in high school, I had a suit lined in that same pattern as the shirt she gave him. And yes, I wore it to school. With a newsboy cap. I am a woman, for context.