How to Make Dodonpachi SaiDaiOuJou RUN BETTER on Xbox 360!

[@alexandreandrade5365]

Nice analysis. For those who can have it, component cable on a crt is always the best no input lag solution. The slowdown makes no sense, tough, but your comparison videos proves your point.

[@Primate541]

Most console games will see these performance increases when running at a lower resolution. The problem is many of them don't make it easy to change the resolution or outright don't have the option. That said, I would not have expected these performance differences on an undemanding sprite based game.

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[@idrisgregory2102]

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[@mqz6386]

Back in 2012 i was playing super street fighter 4 on xbox 360 on crt with rgb and the difference was huge,playing online on crt was like playing offline on pc monitor,glad to see some people know this trick.

[@TheElectricUnderground]

Oh nice!! Yeah I figured it out from ninja gaiden 2

[@Natureza09-c2s]

Someone port this dam game on Steam already!

[@StarKratos]

A bit late to the party, but I wanted to add, as some others have said, that these performance increases happen in other games. NGII on 360 runs remarkably better at 480p than on 720/1080p (while also showcasing the proper aspect ratio of 2D elements), to the point that Master Ninja at 480p is considerably more difficult to play due to the weaker slowdown. My guess is that those games were designed with a very true reality in mind: most people did not have HD displays during the majority of the 7th generation of consoles (I didn't have one until 2013) and 480i was still the norm for many markets. Add to this the budgets for teams like Cave and Team Ninja and you can understand why developing on what were "expensive" pieces of tech would have been outside of the question. Large development houses, like Santa Mónica, separate console resolution from game resolution, resulting in the same real-life performance in any setting due to re-scaling of the game in accordance to the output of the hardware.

[@TheElectricUnderground]

Oh great insight! Yes I noticed this myself while playing ninja gaiden 2, this is how I came up with the idea to try it on Sdoj actually :-)

[@baghy3635]

Been running 360 through a VGA arcade monitor @480p this entire time....never understood where all the problems with slowdown were....ever cave game I've had on 360, runs great on that monitor......

[@gianyrivera1082]

I don't have a CRT so I'm probably screwed Also I'm happy you brought this to light, no wonder I kept randomly getting hit while playing. I kinda put the game off because I kept thinking something was wrong with it or there was something bad about the hitboxes Thanks for the useful info

[@emphatic001]

It would be interesting to see a comparison between 480i and 480p in terms of slowdown amount too. I play my 360 in my EGRET II using 480p VGA to a UVC downscaler. Some games, like MMP/PS seem to look sharper at a higher resolution, like 1024x768, but if the difference in slowdown is this great, then it just won't be worth a tiny bit of less blur.

[@Zaarock]

I've always played the game on VGA 480p and it's still 5 frames of input delay on average with 4 in rare cases. Most people playing in TATE around launch probably used 480p as well. That slowdown amount difference is absurd though.. I think there was some discussion about this kind of thing when people noticed the optional extra windows were messing with game performance but not a clear video example like this

[@TheElectricUnderground]

I 'll have to test 480p vga and see how that compares!

[@rahndail3863]

Would definitely be interested in this analysis. Appreciate all the great content man

[@welisteneveryday]

Super interesting... really curious about how 480p over VGA compares. That's how I typically play when I want to go the extra mile

[@lookitskazzy]

Gameplay comparisons start at 04:15

[@energyzer_bunny1913]

I wonder if it performs the same in 480p through a VGA cable. That's my preferred method of playing 360 shmups. 480p on a CRT VGA monitor. I am extremely lucky to own an Extron Super Emotia so I have the option of playing these arcade ports in 240p!

[@bonggzilla]

rgb scart and crt is my set up for ddp sai

[@samuraispiritsx]

component always faster, I hope one day for a new conversion of this game. I went to Japan to play test this before it came out, good times.

[@radiantansel202]

Do you think 480p would have a difference in 480i? I play A LOT of Senko no Ronde on that console, and the less input lag = THE BETTER, THE ABSOLUTE BETTER. While in that game we haven't really got any "real" problem even in 1080p, I would like to get my VGA monitor as my default setting for the console, so, I would appreciate if 480p has any real problem over 480i. Still, thank you very much for the video! I really do appreciate it! Regards!

[@ledoudinou]

Good job. Can you test with VGA 480p ?

[@THELEGENDARYK2]

I wonder if you then ran a the 360 through a deinterlacer like a Extron Super Emotia if you could get scanlines back. Thats a lot of expensive kit though.

[@TheElectricUnderground]

Yep you can, I have one :-)

[@neontetra1000]

This game and this effect is the reason I bought a gaming monitor. After playing this and Garegga on a tated 29” crt it felt soo responsive I had to start looking Into a low lag screen. On a side note, if you have a gaming monitor it should play in 1280 x 1024 do you use that setting for non laggy games?. It certainly looks good. I can mAke out the detail on reco in futari. Lastly.. after some research I have read that my Sony Bravia has only 6ms of lag so I mAy end up using that but 42” is a lot to rotate!.

[@otachi_r2x458]

I must be insane because I’m running my 360 in my Vewlix Diamond blue cab on the stock VGA monitor, converting HDMI to VGA with an HDFury X3, and I detect virtually no input lag playing SDOJ. It feels super responsive, like 1.5 to 2 frames.

[@qmechanic]

I'm kind of a shmup newbie, but is it worth getting an OSSC or similar upscaler for Cave shmups on the Xbox 360? I already have an Xbox 360 and all the Cave shmups that you can play on a North American Xbox 360 including SaiDaiOuJou. Does the upscaler help on other Cave Xbox 360 ports besides SaiDaiOuJou? I'm playing on a regular 1080p LCD TV, not any specialized gaming monitor. I don't really want to get specialized monitors, but I'd consider something like OSSC if there's a significant improvement. As a newbie, I'm not sure I'd notice a 1 frame difference in input lag. But if the input lag is more consistent, that might be worthwhile.

[@TheElectricUnderground]

No if you have a 360 no need for an ossc :-) this work around really only matters for sdoj and the port isn't worth the effort if you don t already have an ossc. That being said an ossc is a must have if you ever plan to get into arcade hardware :-)

[@soohz]

Will Saidaioujou ever be released by M2? Or is there any news about any other developer improving on the Xbox360 version?

[@Emuser012]

Of all the absurd things I thought I would have stumbled upon today, this is definitely not what I had in mind. It's honestly ridiculous how there would be a couple minutes difference comparing 480i and 720p runs.

[@SxGaming3390]

Hey man, I love your content. I'm trying to find a video where you and two friends talk about Donpachi. One of them is a girl. While you play a recording of one of your friends play-through. I hope I'm not thinking of a different channel. I've been trying to find the video for weeks.

[@TheElectricUnderground]

Hi my dude, I think you are thinking of the STG weekly Dodonpachi episode :-) i'm not actually in that video, but I do have a really cool shmupsaga video about Dodonpachi if you want to check it out!

[@davy_K]

These games are probably not scaling themselves - maybe that's being done by the 360 firmware - so that in itself could introduce lag....give the firmware less to do and you get less slowdown/lag maybe? Interesting. I own this game but haven't played it much - I just nabbed it before the prices when mad. :) Even through youtube the CRT looks better - there's something about CRT colour that I love. :) I'm holding onto mine!

[@TheElectricUnderground]

Yes something like that is going on I think.

[@SpaceDave3000]

hey chap, something for for you to try out. Xenia, the 360 emulator and SDOJ is a prime move (needs a settings tweak to avoid a black screen bug). It runs better and I can ditch the 360. Futari runs perfectly as well.

[@fuzzbear677]

So will Black Label extra run better on the older Xbox 360 are the newer slim version Xbox 360 🕹🎮😀👍🏾

[@TheElectricUnderground]

I don't think it ll make a difference ☺️

[@mcilrain]

I use VGA at 480p, is that ideal?

[@TheElectricUnderground]

I m not sure. I 'll have to test 480p

[@c2ironfist]

Would 480p be a good substitute to 480i?

[@TheElectricUnderground]

I 'll have to do a follow up test and see!

[@c2ironfist]

@@TheElectricUnderground I could live with 480p but 480i just hurts my eyes That and fake generated scanlines don't look good with 480i even with alternating scanlines

[@EverlastMsg]

Wish i could play it on pc

[@TheElectricUnderground]

You can!!! :-D it runs on xenia now and works well! I 'll do a vid about this soon

[@EverlastMsg]

@@TheElectricUnderground xenia doesnt seem to support my gpu

[@jwhipp]

@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah man, it runs soooooooo good on Xenia. Only bugs they gotta fix across the board for the CAVE games are the crashing when you change modes and the audio latency is pretty noticeable but its not too terrible.

[@mqz6386]

I was playing saidaioujou on xenia too,thinking that the 360 original was better,so i buy the game on 360 but in feeling is better on xenia,hope this sound issues will be fixed one of these days

[@dr_ubo]

_New standard_

[@mosesh06]

I run my shmup 360 through HDMI on my CRT. .

[@barrybubbles4639]

Care to direct me towards the content...I cannot find it for love nor money...be as vague as you like!

[@TheElectricUnderground]

I'm not sure what you mean, I think the video is pretty straightforward with what I am communicating.

[@barrybubbles4639]

@@TheElectricUnderground I'm just wondering, roughly, where the ROM may be found 😋

[@MartinIrwin]

@@barrybubbles4639 buy it on eXA, 360, or the PCB. There’s no publicly dumped ROM.