How to make the world better. Really. With Dr. Bjørn Lomborg.

[@kalebbarone691]

Rough timestamps for convenience: 0:14 - intro 1:06 - What Bjorn does, the right way to prioritize world problems 6:32 - Cost benefit analysis, how the analysis was done 9:55 - How do we know it's accurate? 14:15 - Pareto distribution, benefit of focusing on 19 out of 169 goals rather than spreading evenly 19:10 - Global warming first mentioned 27:15 - Discussion on priority of global warming 37:40 - Apocalyptic arguments for increased priority of global warming 43:48 - Prioritizing future vs present 50:22 - Make better people (general problem solvers) for unpredictable future 51:29 - Ideological objections to global warming priority 59:48 - Bjorn's self assessment of weaknesses in his methods; difficult to measure, more psychological/cultural costs not adressed, inequality not covered 1:07:45 - Imposing limits not a viable solution, R&D in green energy most effective long term solution 1:13:05 - Impact of Bjorn's work, marketing to governments 1:21:25 - Wholesome final notes, call to adventure This is an amazing antidote to cynicism. Man, Bjorn is ecstatic at the end there =)

[@thegeneralist7527]

Thanks for the post.

[@MasayaShida]

thank you

[@Kronensac]

Thanks Jordan for helping me put my life together.

[@VoodooD0g]

ur welcome

[@TumbleSensei]

💪 💪 💪

[@arturmuellerromanov4438]

Welcome to the Bucko Squad

[@dacabakaya9356]

Here since 1914

[@harryradley]

Tony's a hack. The only NLP guy worth a damn is Richard Bandler.

[@AdamHogan81]

48:50 The name of the book Lomborg is searching for is “Today,Then” by Dave Walter.

[@Ianjcarroll]

thanks Adam :)

[@sircastic959]

and it does indeed have a smart title he totally butchered :D

[@bobsteinkraus367]

Thank you!

[@sean7456]

Not all heros wear capes.

[@VillageTechnologies]

Bjorn Lomborg is a first rate charlatan. Do a bit of research on him. He's a paid shill for industry and he has a well-worn schtick as the "skeptical environmentalist". There's a ton of people way more credible than this guy. He's just good at self-promoting a contrarian message. It's regrettable Jordan Peterson has fallen for this guy. He's a total fraud.

[@teddayer6523]

I knew Lomborg and he reoriented my view almost a decade ago. Here the questions are very smart. The answers are absolutely fantastic. It educates people (Well those who are interested). I really love what you did guys. Thx a lot.

[@praveengovil3755]

@@Cspacecat what he says is actually a flip side of coin. He agrees that climate change is an issue but what he says is that when you have got way many problems to solve then you have to go to economist to decide priorities. A virologist thinks virus as big issue and needed to be treated first but an environmentalist thinks environment as bigger issue so then you decide on basis of return and investment basis, and also you really need to think of long term plans. Invest more on things which benefit you for long term.

[@monkeysezbegood]

@@Cspacecat Yes Lomborg misses the mark. I give very little credit..

[@feedbackbro]

@@Cspacecat With an organization of 300+ economists and researchers working on this project....how is it that you can lay the criticism on Lomborg himself? You think all those people are just Lomborg's puppets? As far as data is concerned....of course not all data is equally valid or useful. Some decisions have to be made as to what to include. Also, as he said....there are bound to be errors in the analysis because they're trying to come up with some conclusions based on the information that is available and, as more is learned or becomes known, they will have to update their analysis and, as is usual in economics, assumptions are part of the equation. So, of course, the conclusions are questionable. I'm sure there are a lot of questions about it but....that doesn't mean the process has no value. It's easy to sit back and criticize. Much harder to prove that you have something better to offer. What have you got?

[@feedbackbro]

​@@Cspacecat "With 8.8 million scientists and 7.5 million engineers in the world, 300+ is a rather minuscule number." Yes indeed. But it's safe to say that most of those scientists and engineers are working on local problems defined by their employers. They're not investigating the global, or even national, question of how to create the most good for the least amount of money, unlike the 300+ people who are working on this project. "This kind of blows up Lomborg's ideas." Which idea does this blow up? You mean like this one? ...at the 1:09:52 mark where he says that they did a world climate consensus with 27 of the world's top climate economists and determined that "The *by far* best investment to tackle global warming is to invest in green R&D"...as opposed to increasing taxes on non-renewable energy, which mostly hurts the poor, or just telling people they have to use less energy. And then he told the whole whale oil story. Or...did you not actually watch the entire presentation? That sounds like he'd very much support your idea regarding Quaise etc. Agreed...no one group is going to have all of the information and they need to constantly re-evaluate their priority list based on the latest available information. Lomborg even admitted at 1:24:10 that "this is the best we know now....it's probably not entirely true but it's better than anything else we have right now." To that point...looking at the Quaise website...it appears the company only launched in 2020 whereas this presentation is from 2018. So....again.....seems like you need to give Lomborg and their organization some more credit. I watched a news story not long about about another company who is revisiting a geothermal exploration project in the mountains not far from Whistler, BC. Would be great to see some positive and practical developments come from geothermal. That said....it's not the entire story. Generating electricity is one thing. How you distribute it, capture it and turn it into devices and products we can use is another thing. We need some much better solutions on the battery side of the equation that help avoid the nasty environmental effects from all of that mineral mining etc. People are working on that as well....so hopefully we'll see some progress in that area before long.

[@archetypalmemes9874]

I think this the first time I've ever heard someone say "please don't buy my book"

[@bhfourtwoeight7343]

He said "this book" - too dense for the general pubic. See notes above for several book options. Rent "cool it" on Amazon for $3

[@about37ninjas]

Pretty sure it's reverse psychology. Now you want that book. You NEED that book. You MUST examine those research notes.

[@bradleykillen6104]

@@about37ninjas or hes saving you time! Most people wont understand the language because it's all research text and not written as a novel.. he has other options!!

[@theartemisgland]

If UN was made out of competent people, they would not be writing book to plead to UN to do their work properly. Says all you need to know about UN.

[@jkilla9934]

@@bhfourtwoeight7343 how to make the world a better place - don't use amazon

[@tedsess3106]

Oh my gosh...I’ve been following and reading Bjorn Lomborg for about 15 years and Dr. Peterson for about 26 months, and consider them both to be two of the very top thinkers of our time - and now they’re together!!! Amazing!!! Thank you Dr. Peterson for taking the first step towards Bjorn and bringing this epic dialogue to us. My gratitude to both of you is off the chart.

[@Bamskki]

As a fresh graduate sustainability and energy engineer, I find this video more helpful than 95% of the things I studied on ecology and climate change..

[@Bamskki]

@FalconPunch827 I've been trying to figure that out myself because it's such a new thing to learn. But I would say from the internships I did, the most skills needed in this space are mostly related to data and statistical analysis. So start with database software like openLCA, be familiar with SQL or Oracle then try to build useful models for say, energy generation vs demand in a certain area. Personally, I chose to go even further to study Bitcoin mining and blockchain technology that will hopefully enable us to build decentralized marketplaces for renewable energy.

[@Bamskki]

@FalconPunch827 hahaha good luck!

[@Frank22164]

@@Bamskki Fascinating. I don't understand this sustainability philosophy. What exactly are we running out of?

[@Bamskki]

@@Frank22164 Mostly running out energy since we have a finite amount of highly efficient energy resources which are fossil fuels. Even if you want to go solar you're going to have to use a huge amount of fossil fuels to build the infrastructure needed to make solar panels and sell them like extracting silicon, transportation, factories, and you can go infinitely far beyond that and say we need to spend energy for the datacenters and banks to run businesses and marketplaces. An example of a sustainability study is the Life-Cycle Assessment which is a case study to compare two options of say, a typical 500ml beer bottle. The packaging could be made of aluminium or of PET (PolyEthylene Terephthalate). Both options do not look the same, but have the same function: contain and protect the precious beverage. So then you have to use huge sets of data to analyze their environmental impact. If you want to go deeper into the philosophy of sustainability you have to be familiar with the second law of thermodynamics which states that entropy (chaos) is always increasing and we are running out of order that has been built up by the sun for millions of years and we need to find a way to preserve it and extract more of it out of the sun in an efficient way.

[@tedsess3106]

Great point...that’s what we get when we listen to great thinkers.

[@nickgooch]

I don’t normally comment on videos, but I feel that it is important for me to share my thoughts. It is hard for me to comprehend, let alone put in words how much respect I have for dr Peterson, I’m not even sure the words exist. He is an inspiration to me personally, and I hope he inspires many others. He is one of those rare people that is truly selfless, with sincerely altruistic ambitions. I believe he says his goal is something like “to help as many people as possible in as short a time as possible” and I hope and believe he is and will continue to be successful in his mission. Interactions like this one, are a great example of his character, he has met a man with similar goals to his own and wants nothing more than to help him achieve those goals. He also has an uncanny ability to condense complicated ideas into concepts that anyone can follow. He has not only taught me how I could be a better person, but inspires me to be one. Maybe if I keep on paying attention to him, one day I will be the kind of person that might inspire someone else in a similar way. Thank you dr Peterson. Thank you for all that you do.

[@pirigal6689]

51:00 Love the idea of raising general problem-solving machines. Investing in childhood development, and they grow up smarter.

[@evinnra2779]

Machines can't solve human problems, if they could they would be humans not machines. There is no such thing as a general problem to begin with; take the problem of environmental pollution, it is an idea that people who speak the same language can understand, but there is no machine in the world - or ever will be - that can ACTUALLY understand that idea correctly.

[@TheFootballstar5588]

EvInnra the point was humans are general problem solving machines not literal machines.

[@evinnra2779]

As you can see the post, which I replied to, was edited.

[@jevgs9608]

Maybe investing in AI?

[@sebastianjovancic9814]

@@evinnra2779 Wouldn't a general problem be a game?

[@pamelacharlet1436]

I love 💘 you Jordan. You have been such an inspiration and educational guide for me personally. I've been saying that we, the people, need to demand a prioritization of our initiatives so that we can move forward and get things done. I think this Bjorn fellow could inspire a positive future.

[@cameronidk2]

Wishing The Peterson Family well this holiday! thats all

[@yelisview8395]

Or Winter Solstice ;D

[@pineapplaplatypotato]

Especially his daughter

[@bioinformaticsonline5988]

Merry Christmas to the Peterson

[@maximusm1716]

This is one of the most incredible videos ever posted. It belongs to the category "why don't we just do these things?" It's sooooo simple to make things better for everybody and yet we persist in making them miserable.

[@ThinkClub]

Jordan Peterson is a saint. I can't tell you how many times I've recommended Lomborg's movie: "Cool It." Politicizing scientific issues is pure cancer, perpetuated by politicians and pundits only interested in gaining power for themselves.

[@jffryh]

Lomborg is a fraud. Look it up. lomborg-errors dot dk

[@abitoffblacksmithing9985]

Agreed!

[@ThinkClub]

There's a huge difference between making errors and intentional deception. I suspect anyone who uses the word "fraud" is exactly the type of person my OP chastises.

[@cadusteigleder9648]

I want to watch it... as soon I finish this video.

[@sambdb2099]

Who is Mr question mark and how do I out it in a box?

[@puppetsock]

This is (one aspect of) what the internet is for. This is actual journalism. If more people did this sort of thing, with this degree of care and attention for accuracy and good logical argument, the world would be much better off. Thank you Dr. Peterson. Thank you Dr. Lomborg.

[@godfreysia2153]

I drink a beer everytime JP says “by any stretch of the imagination”

[@catalinmatei]

well you get drunk in about 4 minutes of listening then...

[@TwentyEight80s]

Cap

[@hassaan1670]

stoned af

[@cassie9504]

Jeez Dr. Bjorn lomborg is showing his genuine happiness for this conversation and the forthcoming ones, that's adorable to watch

[@BoundlessRoamad]

And I thought tonight was going to be boring

[@Yin7094]

SAME!

[@skyler114]

This is where the fun begins

[@jnoter]

Truly, ahahha. Was a exciting night.

[@dragons_red]

Instead it became Bjorning?

[@anyoneofus1625]

YES! Thank you Dr. Peterson and all of your guests and talks. Finally the important things are becoming mainstream topics. This guy gets it. Spreading resources too thinly to try and appease everyone is not going to work, it just will not work, ever. We have to start with a good foundation. Something to build upon, not just throwing everything in a pile of I won't say what.

[@realjayjobes1849]

Get him on Joe Rogan.

[@AKStorm49]

Same thought I had.

[@waterhead1029]

RealJayJobes With Elon Musk and Alex Jones.

[@alexgear959]

He was on JR like so many times already...

[@ztrinx1]

Why? So he can lie to an ignorant audience to push his narrative. He is a disgrace who argues in bad faith and misrepresents data, which he is very good at. But that doesn't matter because those who already agree with his agenda wouldn't fact check any of his claims and data.

[@SafetyGuyTy]

​@@ztrinx1 If not the best way to allocate finite resources, what agenda are you referring to?

[@biddydibdab9180]

By breaking down world developmental goals to country developmental goals follows the principle of “clean your room”. It’s wise in both cases to first get it right at a fundamental level. Over the 10 years since I retired I came to believe that this world is no longer my world and I lost interest in life. My exposure to Dr. Peterson and his work has turned me around. I have no words to express my deep gratitude.

[@itisTiina]

I loved this talk! It made me feel so full of hope and excitement for the future! 😇

[@gvaidya1]

As long as we follow his advice. I hope we do thiugh

[@winniethedung]

Jordan was absolutely right when he said that this is not boring, and this is incredibly exciting! I feel like I was listening to a secret conversation where the world's brightest are talking about the biggest and brightest and most important ideas. This kind of conversation has been bubbling inside me and around in my thoughts, and to finally hear it spoken is incredibly motivating for someone like me. I finally feel like, "Yeah this is where we find out how to fix the most important problems! This is where we find out how to do the most good!" This kind of conversation has been trickling slightly above and beneath my conscious thought, and I am really glad to not only have found a conversation like this but to be introduced to someone who can provide more information on the topics discussed. JP has done us a wonderful service here to provide us with such a conversation, and the conversation is so good and so important that I feel like I should pay for it. And I would wholeheartedly pay for it if I had to, but the fact that it is just a free video that JP provides on his page that has showed up in my feed is nothing short of miraculous because I guess it must be the product of living in a western society that makes me think that something as wonderful as this should come with a price tag. But it does not, and that is f'ing miraculous. God bless you, JP!

[@GrubKiller436]

The intellectual activity is great. And the more informed people are, the better guided our societal decisions will be.

[@winniethedung]

@@GrubKiller436 Yeah this is the first time I have seen a discussion like this where two obviously well educated people are talking about the big problems facing our countrie(s)/planet/society, and it really hit me at my core because I love to philosophize about things like this and not only think about what the actual problems are that need addressing but how to best address them. I am lacking in educational background but during the past 10 years when when I could have been in a University, I have been finding out who I really am as a person, and thanks to teachers, mentors, monks, and shaman, I have arrived at the person I am today. And that is not to say I will not arrive again at another stage in my life or once a year for the rest of my life because the growing and learning process never really ends. And also thanks to people like Jordan Peterson; Joe Rogan Podcasts; the psychedelic community, Rick Doblin and MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies); Gabor Mate; Alan Watts; Terence Mckenna and there are a lot of good people alive and dead out there that help develop my philosophical and intellectual ideas. Of course now that I have a good part of myself figured out, I should be able to sift through a lot of the bs in the universities and ask the kind of questions that will help me learn the most, and get the most out of the university experience when the time comes for me to enroll. Like JP says, you have to aim at something. My aim is at psychedelic therapy which combines the two things I am most passionate about. Marijuana is making good progress through the states here in the US, MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for treatment-resistant PTSD is on its way to becoming a legal treatment in (estimated) 2021. Psilocybin, the main psychoactive ingredient in magic mushrooms, has just recently had some promising progress as a treatment for depression I think, and might be available as a treatment in the US sometime around 2021. Of course it is hard to predict when these things become legal and usually with a lot of things in life, our estimated dates that we think things will happen usually end up happening later than we would like, so those dates are just rough estimates but the best we have for now. So to bring this back to the video we are commenting on, my resources are going toward mental health, and this is based on my own passion and intuitive approach to life. And I am less educated than JP and his fellow speaker so I find it hard to debate why exactly my passion is so important, and why exactly is passion so important? I like the speaker's and what seems like his own intuitive approach, method of figuring out what is important. And I trust an intuitive approach if your heart is in the right place, but obviously an intuitive approach by our US president, DT, will be way different than my own or JP's or the speaker's. In conclusion, I really like listening to JP and other great people and speakers because they help me think aloud what I think on the inside but can not articulate correctly. So I could speak about why it feels good to do the things that I do but JP could give an amazing conversation/speech/essay about why it is not only important but essential in moving humanity forward and living better as a humanity and make it make sense and have a debate that really makes a lot of sense. JP has admittedly said that he meticulously attacks his arguments and words and looks for holes and the best possible words to fit what he is trying to say, and that is so beautiful to someone like me who holds a lot of the same sentiments but can not articulate it so beautifully and tactfully as he can. I am less about arguing and debate and more about speaking truth to people that connects with them on a deep level to get them to change a negative behavior or thought pattern. So I know I will get better at arguing and debate as I start on my path through a university and such but right now, just like I am in this comment reply, I am throwing my ideas out there, readily to be scrutinized and argued about and see if they gain traction or momentum. So anything good or bad you or anyone else has to say is always welcome, and I spoke a lot about myself and how I feel so feel completely free to speak about how you feel in the current moment or in general. God bless JP because people like him just like the people I mentioned in an earlier paragraph are heroes of mine and a lot of people here, and when they succeed we succeed, so we have to look out for our heroes and make sure they stay healthy and are always learning and are in a good place even if it involves lots of struggle and hardships. I worry about things like JP getting enough sleep and such, but idk, I just want the people I look up to to stay sharp and do their best because JP and others are succeeding for the rest of us and allowing us to follow in their footsteps. So God bless JP, and God bless you, T'was an old username and I'll change it soon. , for allowing me to get this out and say what I needed to say. Thanks!

[@BetoTorres]

Shhh class is about to start

[@thebluriam]

Punch class disruptors, not nazis (on the shoulder, no face punching haha)

[@motorcop505]

Your room better be clean before watching this! 🦞

[@ingdsmyt]

Jordan is trying to start it at 45:45 hahaha

[@monkeysezbegood]

Peterson is great but Lomborg.... Not so much.

[@dennisclark1927]

I just watched this program. Bjorn makes a very convincing case on how to address the global issues using limited financial resources (money) and how to realistically address financing issues like global warming. I write this as someone who does believe in responsible resource management, both financially and environmentally, but has been skeptical of all the media hype and doomsayers. Bjorn's presentation is compelling and something I can get behind. This video is a bit lengthy but it IS worth your time.

[@RychisCriminal]

I know it isn’t likely that you’ll see this, but I’m one of the lucky people that you’ve saved from the alluring facade of Nazism. I can’t thank you enough JP.

[@andthereisntone3454]

Very interesting! Care to elucidate?

[@pmachelor]

No elaboration needed for me. Bless you, man. Take good care. Try to share your insight with others. Seek peace.

[@chrish.959]

Yea... so alluring...

[@andrju3916]

I've never thought of it as alluring. Utopian communism sure but I don't see anything good in nazism. Could you tell me more about that? I'm very curious.

[@robertlynn4709]

@NPC Chief Programmer Shlomo Infantdickstein You are watching the collapse of parasitic Socialism not Capitalism.

[@imranuddin2153]

Nothing more noble than pursuit to separate the facts from fictions. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Bjorn Lomborg for doing their part. More power to both of you.

[@harringtoncd1]

Did anyone chuckle when Bjorn said “it will require a lot of smartness from politicians...”

[@adhithyasodhi3203]

In other words, we're all doomed

[@rythmicwarrior]

This brings a Buckminster Fuller quote to mind: "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~~~~ R. Buckminster Fuller

[@F1rstWorldNomaD]

@ 56.00 ish~ Thats Hanlons Razor. "Dont attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence"

[@Andreas-yt9wv]

1. Dont forget to smile Prof. Peterson! 2. Thank you two for this conversation and thank you Jordan Peterson to take action and use your popularity to push this idea forward. I did get the idea and love to hear more about it, you are right, this is very exciting! 3. I have been listening to your work for quite some time now and benefited a lot of it. Health and strength to you!

[@Yin7094]

i am filled with excitement when i see a new JBP video. especially when it's a long one. JBP's arguments get sharper and sharper with each interview, and i didn't watch this video yet, but i know it's going to be hella good.

[@Buggieboo69]

It pleases me to no end when I see two magnificent minds like this in discussion....on topics that really do matter! Grateful for both Jordan Peterson and Bjorn Lomborg

[@김경빈-p2g]

If you could put Korean in the subtitles on KZbin, I would appreciate it on behalf of your Korean fans.

[@vishvnaik2756]

김경빈 BTS IS HEAVILY INSPIRED BY THE WORKS OF CARL JUNG. 🍀🙏🏻💯🌍🍀

[@TwentyEight80s]

But you can type in English ???

[@highnoonhorsefarm813]

Wow, thank you JP for the introduction to Bjorn Lomberg's work - such an antidote to the constant barrage of despair driven narratives and lack of discussion about cost-effective and common sense solutions. I agree with you, very exciting !

[@jeancarlohim]

This guy is like the product owner of the world, prioritizing the United Nations backlog!

[@robomatt1600]

Seriously, if we could just get all elected officials to take a 15-minute class on agile

[@theagilecoach2435]

​@@robomatt1600 HaHa! Agile coaches of the world unite. Actually, might need to start with basic Philosophy and ethics. I was at MOJ and casually mentioned we should weight the ministry's backlog on number people affected using utilitarian principles and nobody had an idea what I'd just said.

[@jerrybaker8597]

Whats dumb about this is it could be made a simpler problem just teach people in 3rd world countries to grow food better ie aquaponics provide them with some investment solar panels and an investment micro lifter reactor and start selling them guns

[@GarthyGarth]

I would love if Dr Peterson focuses more on this type of work, which helps us be better human beings It is so much more inspiring than watching people trying to pull him down. Thanks for sharing this piece of work it has given me more clarity about what to focus my attention on

[@ChessMasteryOfficial]

*Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, 'It might have been..'*

[@kevindoyle5696]

What's that quote from?

[@ChessMasteryOfficial]

@@kevindoyle5696 From 'Maud Muller' by John Greenleaf Whittier.

[@UltraHuman]

@@ChessMasteryOfficial why hello there 👍

[@austindenotter19]

To simplistic.

[@wib6044]

@@austindenotter19 Go on, begin the letter "To simplistic" and ; )

[@lesliejonsson8495]

The most exciting thing about Dr. Lomborg's work is that he has SOLUTIONS! So many people talk and talk and talk with no idea How to fix the problem. Sometimes I think most of the global warming is all the talk that people are doing without any action...

[@Joanna-ed8ic]

Listening to this while I'm cleaning my room! :)

[@pmichaelhayes]

When you do something nice for someone, you and the recipient get the great feeling that seems to radiate from you body. Imagine using Dr. Lomborg's and his colleagues work to make millions feel that way. That impact would be astounding!

[@seanpottenger7747]

I've got $20 ready to give to whatever fund you set up to do this in the US or Canada

[@dacabakaya9356]

Sean Pottenger Are you expecting some kind of validation for your statement?

[@Psycorde]

@@dacabakaya9356 He isn't supposed to?

[@nowaiting2072]

Really, though- how cool would it be to have a charity run by world-class economists?

[@bradleykillen6104]

@@dacabakaya9356 no hes hoping for an answer.. because googling charity's that save the world rarely gets you very far.. and asking in a high traffic video with mainly critical thinkers watching.. hes got a decent chance of getting a legit response

[@-whackd]

It exists and is called givewell.org my friend!

[@lwilso20]

If it isn’t getting done properly, step in and do it yourself. The essence of responsibility. Well done sir.

[@nosraltinmad5767]

I wonder if Jordan could rewrite his book "12 Rules for Life" and make a kid version.

[@beckyg9831]

a kid version is an excellent idea

[@shaynezaba7882]

Might be worth your time to check out Jocko Willink's series of books for kids

[@AreThereNoMoreNames]

Regular version's already a kid version.

[@jemesmemes9026]

The Audiobook helps if it's hard to concentrate on a book for that long.

[@MagiicGaming100]

12 rules for life IS the kid version... try reading maps of meaning

[@equalplayingfield8789]

Thank you Jordan and Bjorn. I am a co-founder of an ngo in the Pacific and I have raised a considerable amount of Development/Aid funds in my time. My impression of both donors and recipient institutions is that there's an unwillingness to delve into the cost effectiveness of interventions because of the identity built around those interventions. This is not only organisational identity but the identity of those who find purpose leading and working in them. Similarly, funders are swept up in the stories that make for good 'optics' rather than those that can do the most good. As a leader I have personally had to really assess what it is we are trying to achieve and whether that which has defined us until this point, is really serving the ultimate purpose of doing the most good. I bear witness to a system that fails to build local capacity and instead instills a donor mentality that stifles development. These conversations are important and I hope many listen. Jordan I hope to discuss them quickly with you in Canberra at the meet and greet.

[@GamerLogicalArt]

i hope your ngo is not one of those open borders groups that is trying to bring illegals into Australia if it is i hope it fails, if ngo is not an open borders group then good luck to you and i hope you succeed in your endeavor to help

[@cakedesigner]

Absolutely a phenomenal interview, one of the best I've watched in a long time. ! Thank you both for taking the time to do this.

[@chrisborlandssecretyoutube1683]

ive read most of Lomborg's books and i find his work generally very well researched and his views very insightful. i would highly recommend his work for anyone who is interested in global climate change and sustainable development

[@bertrandkurtrussell870]

As long as you accept the science, I'm totally open to discussing priorities, approaches, etc. It's just the climate change deniers who are the problem. They are no better than flat earthers.

[@kcl6009]

Maybe they just don't buy the religion or the panic?

[@philipclock]

What is a "climate change denier"? Or for that matter, a "climate change accepter".

[@aliyldrm1677]

Perfect. Wonderful. Pure goodness. This research is a scientifically intelligent and morally inspirational peace of work. I loved Lomborg's energy. There is no valid reason not to shape all governmental, societal and scientific endeavors according to this golden chart today, now.

[@danoenco9487]

Oh man-- 2 of my favorite thinkers (and 2 of our planet's greatest assets!)

[@galgenmannfriend]

Jp yes, bl not so much imo

[@ashwadhwani]

By making yourself better ALL THE TIME ! Then everything you do makes the world a better place. And yes vote with where you spend your money.

[@jnoter]

THIS IS HONESTLY SUCH A GODLY INTERVIEW. Holy hell, that really was eye opening and exciting to listen to. Bjorn and his team are fucking amazing. Makes me wish I had taken political science over Ba.CS. But Jesus Christ, if there were a god. Bjorn and his team would be doing his god damn work. I applaud this fucking message, I always felt that Climate Change political hysteria was so mad and out there. Wish they'd follow along the wills of this particular academic research. Rather than the usual political bull-jive. (Saying that, yes ignorance is probably the biggest factor as to why it's not used. Never really knew this perspective fully, but always contemplated the ideal of raising those out of extreme poverty to be one of societies biggest front-line issues, I always thought that raising those 'stuck at 0' would raise the bandwidth of potential intelligence across humanity necessitated by the eventual economic progression brought about by that growth in economic productivity individually like how Bjorn talked about. It truly makes me marvel at the idea of 3rd World Countries being lifted towards eventual 1st World status and how truly good that would be. In the last 3 decades China and India are true exemplars of such growth, raising hundreds of millions from starvation to quintessentially having food, the essential (imo) diet of choice. I end this interview feeling rather excited / wanting to push this message forward. Will show to some of my friends, who are 1000000% pro-Climate Change. As a peripheral problem, this leads me to half-jokingly wonder about how this rise in prosperity would bring on the new-age crisis of the West/East existential problems and especially as to how would it look like in the moment the trend shifts from the theological ethos to the 'rationale' logos (or to the extent as to how dissimilar it will be with the West) and more so on what the West will look like. Will we be shrouded by tyranny or will we shed our scaled eyes. Makes my fantasies run wild... I'll get back to coding. Future is exciting but scary.

[@hi-us6do]

Here is another side of the issue. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqiwgXl6pt6ZqKM

[@DrBiBeatz]

I'm so so happy that Mr Peterson is here on earth with us teachings us and open our eyes in this silly world we live in at this time.

[@ajbleas]

We love you Jordan! Keep up the great work!

[@OrionMagus]

Never heard of Dr. Bjorn Lomborg before. Seems like a smart guy, I'll look into him and his work more. Thanks for the introduction.

[@DanSpotYT]

I keep seeing a young Harrison Ford (in a way) when Lomborg comes on.

[@motorcop505]

Dan's Spot on the Tube Only Bjorn is smart. 😂

[@IIVVBlues]

I read Lomborg's book "Cool It" and recommend it whenever I can. An absolutely outstanding and thought provoking conversation. This one of the things that makes KZbin so worth while. This should be a party platform - cost benefit analysis considering available resources with measurable results.

[@philmstud2k]

"A lot of smartness from a lot of politicians." We're doomed.

[@hassaan1670]

India: O hello there! Remember to bang utensils at 9pm chanting "go corona go" and that will do the trick PS: I really wish I was exaggerating :(

[@TestosteroneRN]

Being an Infection Preventionist in a large hospital, I can tell you that Pareto distribution charts are widely used and great tools for deciding what problems to solve first when finite resources (e.g. time, money, manpower etc.,) are limited. Additionally, since taking a graduate level economics class, all of the theories and ideas Bjorn Lomborg is espousing (as far as the macro ideas of discovering greatest bang for the buck) are pretty much par for the course. So as a general and non-inflammatory statement meant only for the purposes of discussion, I find that most individuals extremely concerned with solving climate change at all costs tend to lean more to the left. I used to be far left. That being said, it is amazing how many values/ideas they cling to that are completely contradictory to their other beliefs. Since we were on the topic of economics, I'll use this example. The support of Obama by the left is extreme. Obama and other democrats are huge proponents of the globalization of trade [Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)] . The point behind globalizing trade is to bring competition into the free market. This competition forces domestic companies to produce better goods more efficiently. This means reduced costs to the consumer on domestic goods. This helps contain the Consumer Price Index (CPI) which is utilized a a measurement for inflation. So where does the contradiction occur? well, Also, Obama and other democrats constantly push for greatly increased minimum wage. Mostly what I read suggests they want it around $10.00 - $15.00/hr. When you increase minimum wage, the business has to increase costs to the consumer or face going out of business which in turn increases a nation's CPI. Democrats need to decide whether they want to increase minimum wage or decrease inflation through global competition. As far as I can tell, you cannot do both, especially unnaturally and in a significantly short period of time. This piques my interest as to whether politicians like Obama are extreme idiots, or are they intentionally trying to create a system, for ideological purposes, that completely destroys the free market capitalism of America for the purposes of being able to institute a totalitarian government that utilizes socialism to fuel their agenda of control.

[@ludwigvonmiseswasright4380]

LOL. The age old question. Are they stupid or evil? Sometimes it is very difficult to tell.

[@therealruski3906]

Yesss thank you Dr. Peterson

[@tomjeffersonwasright2288]

I would like to see a video, or even a series, by Dr. Peterson, advising successful, strong traditional men on how to mentor younger people, particularly young men. I realize that there are limits to what Dr Peterson can do personally, and many of us who share his views would gladly aid in his work to help dispel the confusion in many young lives. Such a video could add direct communication to the guidance already provided in his books, videos, and lectures.

[@jabonny]

Yes internet dad! Didnt really need to do anything else this Friday evening. Btw did you change your room? Dont remember the lumber frame.

[@tworivers3518]

I'm a working environmental consultant. Since college it has always depressed me that we could improve things, but environmental activists uninformed focus on feeling good rather than effecting positive change scuppers most issues. This podcast has really been a boon. I should really get into the nitty gritty details of this and start doing some activism of my own

[@ThinkClub]

TL;DR: Facts: Yes Feels: No

[@newfie252]

Oh that is beautiful. Passionate pleas and poems belong in romantic novels, governance should be based on peer reviewed science.

[@enetheru]

@@newfie252 of which bjorn is known for misrepresenting and cherrypicking. Potholer54 is the best on KZbin to show how people do this.

[@astrol4b]

Feelings don't care about your facts.

[@iyaramonk]

@Trolltician I'm sure you'll enlighten us as to why he is disingenuous and a shill.

[@iyaramonk]

@FalconPunch827 He's a decades-long science journalist with a degree in geology.

[@SAM-ft9jd]

Disappointed by how many people in these comments don't seem to be focused on the actual content of the video. But must say that I am glad to have heard of this man. Climate change may be an issue, yet no one seems to have a valid way to address this. It may not be Lomborg's focus, yet he provides a solution that not only provides short term success, but also may in the long term help solve the issue of climate change.

[@audreyandlinCompany]

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

[@manurr10]

*oiled with pity.

[@thegeneralist7527]

The road to hell is paved with people who believe in CO2 induced global warming. Pure science fantasy.

[@Apalouz]

I hope Dr. Peterson can be at the forefront of many more constructive talks like this! I'm already interested in Dr. Lomborg's 2015 book.

[@MHAFOOTBALL]

How to piss off people with radical ideology brought to you by Dr. Peterson. Thank you for having grown up conversations.

[@BaseMosquito]

So exciting that some people are getting to the core of many complicated issues and helping moving forward sept by step to solving the global problems by raising knowledge, policy development, money and future opportunities.

[@stephenbruns3943]

This is an extremely cynical thought, but when they were talking about why money isn't spent to save the lives of children in 3rd world countries and the heart vs cancer thing, my thought was that many still hold to the idea that over population is a problem, and stopping those deaths will hurt the planet too much. Its is the same line of thinking of Thanos in the the Avengers movie.

[@Puddleface42]

This is an extremely useful discussion between Peterson and Lomborg and would be useful for policymakers and people of all political persuasions. It should almost be, as they say, "required viewing." It raises deep questions about how we - as citizens of the world or of individual nations - can do the best good for our fellow humans. I do have some criticisms, but that is what dialogue and discussion are about. Very, very highly recommended.

[@tamdai5108]

This could be my biggest birthday today! Thank you sir.

[@jacksonsardello3959]

You can usually tell within the first few minutes of these types of interviews if it's going to be good. Usually dependent on the audio quality and how articulate the guest is. I can tell this one is going to rock.

[@jdbauman7878]

Wow, there's a solid point at 54:25 about the incongruity to caring about risks from global warming and not about risks from poverty and inequality. Like Jordan says, interventions to reduce tuberculosis are associated with a marked increase in the wellbeing in the dispossessed, and yet it doesn't attract much attention!

[@jasonthefates7311]

Start inside your home then work your way out into the world. For inside your house is your World! Dig Jordan. Thanks gentlemen for sharing your wisdom. Merry Christmas

[@johnnycampbell3422]

This is beyond good information and the work that went into. Thanks

[@JO-fp2nt]

Thank you Dr. Peterson! I think I'm going to buy the books from Dr. Lomborg and read them all to get a better understanding of solutions he is looking at.

[@esmith9965]

I'd love to see Peterson head up some charitable organizing to start mobilizing money in effective directions.

[@philipamwata]

This is how one gets addicted to knowledge and the pursuit of it.. Thanks again for reminding me to stand up straight with your shoulders back..

[@skankmcgank]

Please place your camera higher so you aren't looming over us, Dr. P.

[@jerryw6699]

Mac, he's tried, it is just the fact that he sits up there right beside God.

[@viramandybur4915]

Thank you Dr. Peterson ...this is truly one of your most important conversations to be shared far and wide...❤

[@animoley8012]

Wow! Great interview very interesting and as ever, Enlightening video from Jordan Peterson and one of his associates. This is indeed inspiring and exciting works. Let’s get some hashtags on this #fixtheworld #maketheworldabetterplace

[@brucezz1965]

As opposed to the low resolution thinking of the masses this is an enlightening discussion ! You two did a great job in laying out those issues. I hope more people learn about this approach.

[@taoroalin]

Damn. This video changes so much

[@MrKosobi]

Fun fact: Bjorn is entirely paid off by the Koch brothers. If you dig into critique of his ideas, you can find that his estimates has been discredited by his peers, and also you can find plenty of holes and stretches in his analysis. I used to buy into his crap, but turns out he's just another corporate shill.

[@wimvaughdan7032]

@@MrKosobi Getting paid by the Koch Brothers isn't necessarily a sign that someone is corrupt. Off course he makes sure that he is being paid for the work that he does. As for the holes an stretches, I don't know too much about this guy and would like to see the whole picture. What is your source?

[@MrKosobi]

@@wimvaughdan7032 it's really easy to find it, here is a link for example: www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/08/bjorn-lomborg-just-a-scientist-with-a-different-opinion/

[@Pacdoc-oz]

I started University at 16 in 1959 and this is what the University of Sydney provided in those days - really conscientious, compassionate and intelligent adults discussing issues at the cutting edge of history. KZbin is the new University, we must protect it at all costs or plan for its replacement as soon as it starts to kill too many accounts for political incorrectness and the like. May I apologise to Bjorn as an Australian for the barbarians who refuse him access to one of our Universities to continue this immensely creative and compassionate work.

[@1996Pinocchio]

After all these questions, I'm still not convinced that getting money out of someone does imply that this person is better off.

[@dacabakaya9356]

1:21:32 It is such a wholesome wonderful moment. How Lomborg gets excited about that what he has been doing isn’t boring. On the other hand it shows some kind of disconnect between him and the actual solutions that he is proposing. Because if you believe that, his work could have an impact on the world, why would you believe it is boring? So I am seeing Lomborg disconnected from putting his work into reality rather than just theorizing. Good thing that he connected to the good ol’ pragmatic, strong Dr. Peterson terminated to translate good theories into reality.

[@tfee1243]

The first idea about doing the most good, is exactly how conservation ecologists think about what needs to be saved with what money we have

[@tfee1243]

SURREY CROSSING youre right for most countries. Luckily we get funding from multiple sources if we can manage and there are private organizations for conservation ecologists, like Panthera.

[@chosenundead3174]

The only problem is that those conservation ecologists did not do the research that this guy did about how we can solve these problems for the least amount of money. They wanna waste buttloads of money and get little to no result while this guy wants to use less money and solve more problems with it.

[@tfee1243]

Chosen Undead you very obviously have no idea what conservationist do and how important their jobs are for the economy of many countries. Please educate yourself before you speak and learn that all ecologists do is research to figure out the best methods with the least cost. Imbecile

[@fraxus]

Content aside - Bjorn speaks conversational English better than any foreign national I've ever heard. Fluent, quick, emotive. Also, he doesn't look 53yo!

[@JamesTheCraftian]

All humans are valuable in what sense exactly. I bring this up because when you try to measure the cost-benefit of allowing more migration (which is in the chart), you ought to understand that not all humans are productive enough to the point where they are "valuable" to the country they migrate to.

[@GrubKiller436]

Even the dumbest person can do something. But I'm not sure if it's particularly about economic effect or intellectual prowess or whatever. Maybe they are valuable just because they are living beings. And if we are responsible for them, we could try to help them. But I think most people have at least one thing they're good/effective at. Okay, but whether or not we should tighten or loosen our borders for migration is sort of a slightly different discussion. So it's like, *yes* some people do have value if they were to be in our country. But it's a slightly different thing to say that they should automatically be allowed here. Additionally, the people who are not productive... we still should occasionally attempt to help them if they are, and I say this loosely, 'our responsibility.'

[@Milestonemonger]

Making our world a reasonably more harmonious place to live, one talk at a time.

[@desbell7431]

Stronger borders, less tax let other peoples evolve into a better life - not insult and steal ours.

[@jnoter]

For who? cause this doesn't target proximal root causes of poor countries. Most poor countries are headed by corrupt tyrannies.

[@PPandaPete]

If you actually take a look at the chart. Allowing Migration is actually high, and brings in 45$+ spent per dollar.

[@Chrisspru]

@@PPandaPete globaly, migration is low. localy (mainly the EU and america) migration is high.

[@oscargold1554]

@@Chrisspru Of course. SOME FOLKS want to destroy white countries.

[@Godzillaaaaa11]

@@oscargold1554 yes destroying white counties, remind me what the ratio of white to non whites in those "crisis" countries

[@eyesRfading]

This is a normal engineering approach for economic justification, and not something new other than applying it to world problem prioritization. In one phase of my career as a chemical engineer, we were expected to identify all competing potential investments, and generate an expected rate of return on investment (i.e. IRR with probabilities) in order to rank capital expenditures from a limited pool of funds. And where data is soft, a qualitative approach is still valid as long as probabilities/confidence is adjusted properly. I loved this video and am actually astonished this is a unique approach globally! I would have loved to be the one to throw my engineering thinking into a lot of Jordan's videos.

[@Damascusmind1]

Bjorn Lom-Borg, making debate on climate change tennis again

[@danielmouse5436]

Responsibility, i always understood what it ment but never really grasped its power. I've been on a Jordan Peterson rabbit hole this last month and at no point in my life have i ever been more focused, more aware of my role, nor felt more positive about the difficulties in life. im 34 now how is it that ive only now had someone straight tell me "stand up get your s&*t together go clean your room" simple but very very powerful. If only you was an Englishman

[@milosrocenovic8526]

First Lobster

[@erwansallard5471]

Dr Lomborg did a really great work. However some of the points should be discussed according to me : 1) taking money as the ultimate metric of good. It would be great to have, in addition of the objectives ranked by financial value, a ranking of lives saved and a ranking of a metric of well-being if there are some, all of that using the same rigorous method as for the ranking by money. I think the three aspects are complementary. For example, one of the top priorities of the money ranking is decreasing tariffs, which would not save anyone : so according to your aim, the best investments won't be the same. 2) the mentionned study on the financial effects of global warming seems quite limited : if I understand correctly, it takes into account only the effects of rising temperatures over the 21st century. But : a- global warming would go on far after the end of the century, so the additive effects over time should be taken into account b- climate change is not only restricted to temperature. It will also induce desertification, floodings, hurricanes, heat waves, rising sea levels, ocean acidification, coral reef death, etc. By the way, this last point is considered in the ranking and is an investment almost as good as curing HIV or malaria. So adding all the consequences of climate change will drive hundreds of millions of people into misery. Invest in climate right now would lessen this huge cost in the future. c- in addition to climate change, we could consider all the additional damage done to the ecosystems (pollution, fragmentation, destruction, overexploitation, etc.). The loss of all the related ecosystem services (pollination, water cleaning, pest fighting among the most serious ones, or reservoir of scientific knowledge, gene diversity and well-being among the less financially ratable ones). There is a huge litterature on this subject, I just add a few link if you want to take a first glimpse : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem_services ; web.archive.org/web/20131203005715/www.unep.org/maweb/documents/document.356.aspx.pdf d- some investments in environment are really cheap, or even beneficial by themselves : for example, a car which consumes less fuel than an other one comes often at the same prize ; not using car for small travels, turning off the light and not wasting water is not only good for the environment, but also for your wallet. So taking all of that into account, environment protection is likely to be a far better investment than said in the video.

[@vKaran12]

I'm a simple man. I see a Peterson video, I click.

[@LibertarianJRT]

Bjorn Lomborg and the Copenhagen Consensus are two of the best things to come out of the turn of the century.

[@topherming6565]

"...found it difficult to trust the climate science." Hear, hear.

[@malnbo]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for bringing this up. It actually puts me in a little bit of a festive mood, now close to Christmas with these good steps in a productive direction. Merry Christmas and have a happy new year to you and all your family!

[@malnbo]

And Merry Christmas and have a happy new year to Dr. Lomborg as well. Well done!