How to Master 9-BALL on a BAR BOX

Dr. Dave runs out 5 racks of 9-ball on a "bar box" and shows examples of how to deal with problems that sometimes occur when attempting to run out. Detailed analysis and advice are provided to help you understand the thought process of run-out pool. Enjoy! If you disagree with any of the shot or position-play choices, please post comments with MM:SS timestamps and explain what you would have done differently.
Content:
0:00 - Intro
0:56 - Rack 1
2:03 - Rack 2
3:11 - Rack 3
4:04 - Rack 4
4:37 - Rack 5
5:12 - Rack 6
5:52 - Solving Problems
---- 6:05 - safety with kiss shot reply
---- 6:41 - carom with position
---- 6:56 - cluster breakout
---- 7:33 - thin safety
---- 8:02 - offensive jump shot
---- 8:27 - safety after poor BIH result
9:09 - Wrap Up
Supporting Resources:
- Video Encyclopedia of Nine-Ball and Ten-Ball (VENT): drdavebilliards.com/videos/vent/
- “How to RUN OUT in 8-Ball on a BAR BOX” video: • How to RUN OUT in 8-Ba...
- “8-Ball RUN-OUTS and BREAK ADVICE” video: • Dr. Dave 8-Ball RUN-OU...
- “9-BALL BREAK STRATEGY, Under All Rules” video: • 9-BALL BREAK STRATEGY,...
- “Smart Run-Out Pool” video series - Part 3: • SMART RUNOUT POOL - Pa...
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/s...
- 30 degree rule: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/3...
- cling/skid/kick: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/t...
- “Run-Out Examples with Commentary and Instruction” playlist: • Dr. Dave 8-Ball RUN-OU...
- 9-ball resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/g...
- 9-ball break resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/b...
- 9-ball strategy resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/s...
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*Content:* 0:00 - Intro 0:56 - Rack 1 2:03 - Rack 2 3:11 - Rack 3 4:04 - Rack 4 4:37 - Rack 5 5:12 - Rack 6 5:52 - Solving Problems ---- 6:05 - safety with kiss shot reply ---- 6:41 - carom with position ---- 6:56 - cluster breakout ---- 7:33 - thin safety ---- 8:02 - offensive jump shot ---- 8:27 - safety after poor BIH result 9:09 - Wrap Up *Supporting Resources:* - Video Encyclopedia of Nine-Ball and Ten-Ball (VENT): drdavebilliards.com/videos/vent/ - “How to RUN OUT in 8-Ball on a BAR BOX” video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJSql2OEnJWieNE - “8-Ball RUN-OUTS and BREAK ADVICE” video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3ikdpl7bJaKhsU - “9-BALL BREAK STRATEGY, Under All Rules” video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGKzc6Nnl8iFrqc - “Smart Run-Out Pool” video series - Part 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4bYfoWsf5WsfbM - System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/aim/saws/ - 30 degree rule: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/30-90-rules/30-degree-rule/ - cling/skid/kick: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/throw/cling/ - “Run-Out Examples with Commentary and Instruction” playlist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3ikdpl7bJaKhsU - 9-ball resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/game/9-ball/ - 9-ball break resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/ - 9-ball strategy resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/9-ball/

[@user-sb3wh3dd4v]

Hey there Dr Dave! I really like this format. It's far more interesting and edifying than listening to less knowledgeable commentators in matches. Nothing against them, but YOU know what YOU are thinking, so that gives more insight into the mental process of analyzing shots and strategy.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@user-sb3wh3dd4v I'm glad you liked it. FYI, I have a lot more like this in my "Run-Out Examples With Commentary and Instruction" playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PLH9d4KFY28XvSPUa4VAKp47822aPYFYgx Check them out.

[@migueltrevino1357]

I’m pretty sure you didn’t misjudged that shot from the 2 ball to the 3 ball on minute8:54 (Solving problems) I still think those tables play short, your are an expert on that Dr.Dave.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@migueltrevino1357 In my experience, the Valley bar boxes play "on system" very well (unlike most Diamond tables, which play very short). For more info and demos, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/testing/

[@donaldwright7292]

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[@rashad5969]

"we talkin about practice",..... "ain't nobody got time for that" 😂😂

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I'm glad at least one person noticed and appreciated this. 😀

[@jasonnieuwenhuis335]

Thanks again Dave, you’re the GOAT of pool instruction!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

You're welcome, and thank you!

[@Jayfree17]

I discovered you recently, and i'm grateful for all the instructions videos you posted before, it helped me a lotttttt! So, for all of that, thank you so much, Dr Dave, world need more people like you, sharing they knowledge! Cheers from France 🙌

[@DrDaveBilliards]

You're welcome. I'm glad to hear you enjoy and benefit from my stuff.

[@davidebiagi9941]

It is amazing how you explain the dynamics. Thank you for sharing your skills.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.

[@vcoolpool]

Thanks Doctor, and as always I learn from each video segment. Really like the funny inserts too. Thanks again,

[@DrDaveBilliards]

You're welcome, and I'm glad you noticed the "funny inserts."

[@Grn-wg3su]

Another amazing upload from the doc!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.

[@CocoboloCowboy]

Another GREAT Video from the Doc.👍

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks.

[@RadioTom103]

Very interesting and very helpful!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I’m glad you think so.

[@allmight6645]

These memes shows both his humor and expertise of the game as he matches the memes well with the situation. 😂 the subtle humors in pool. Out fking standing sir.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. I’m glad you like the memes. They keep it fun for me too.

[@ABCnoobies]

Hey Dr Dave! Big fan and very grateful for the time you put into all this! Had a fun idea for a video I think alot of people might enjoy and could be fun for you to make, and I don't believe I've seen yet: Various common cue ball/object ball positions and how to pocket the object ball in all 6 pockets. For example, CB center headstring, OB on the spot, best way to pocket in all 6 pockets. Then change to other OB positions. Could be kind of cool. Regardless of what ya do, please keep it up. Looking forward to whatever you put out in the future!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

That does sound like fun. "My list" is already very long, but I'll add it.

[@huseyinaslan7383]

Nice shots 👏

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks.

[@michaelmccullar2982]

Thank you though Dave

[@DrDaveBilliards]

You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

[@3941602]

Nice. Dr. Dave.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks.

[@jamesmcdevitt5327]

Great video 👍

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks!

[@colincolenso]

Dave is smashing the billiard instruction sphere. Great work mate!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks.

[@seamusmcfadden994]

Valley corners are HUGE! The side pockets have got me more than once though! Lol I have a 9' Diamond at home.

[@jamesv.wilkerson30]

I would have gotten in trouble on the break an then found a Dr. Dave video on how to get out of trouble. I'm a fellow scientist and I love how you make billiards easy to understand by using scientific principles.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

FYI, a lot more break info can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/ and a lot more strategy advice can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/9-ball/ Enjoy!

[@tomalderman7598]

Perfect timing. 9 ball tournament next weekend. Thanks !!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I’m glad to hear it. Good luck, and play well!

[@tomalderman7598]

@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks Dave. Will do my best.

[@migueltrevino1357]

Great content like always, but I will like to see some bank shots and some kicks in those tables, and see how you adjust the aiming. Thanks.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. I aim kicks and banks on these Valley tables exactly how I aim them on any tables (except Diamond tables, most of which bank very short). If you want to see how I make adjustments over a wide range of kick and bank shots, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/effects/ Enjoy!

[@alesiospahi3396]

Keep up the good work

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I plan to try.

[@kurtkensson2059]

@@DrDaveBilliards Endeavor to persevere!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@kurtkensson2059 I aim to swerve. 🙂

[@kurtkensson2059]

@@DrDaveBilliards Indeed you do. And thank you for your swervice! 👍🏻

[@allmight6645]

Hey great vid and run outs. Can you explain or elaborate on what you mean when you say possible “skid” I may or may not know. We could just know the same thing but different terms. I watch a lot of pool and want to learn more

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. See: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/throw/cling/

[@CMarshallD]

I like how “your opponent” scratches on the break around 8:30 (ish)…. 😜

[@DrDaveBilliards]

It is fun to have an "opponent" to blame. ;)

[@johntanner611]

Love your content! This video just illistrates how easy it is to get out on the barbox espically a valley where the pockets are humongous and you can cheat them if you get out of line. Still fun to run racks on them but I personally perfer the 9 foot tables all the way.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

8-ball can be a little tougher on a bar box since there can be more clutter, "traffic," and problems to solve due to the less "real estate" available.

[@johntanner611]

@@DrDaveBilliards I concur with that I just get sick of the little tables. I enjoyed your analysis of the barbox! Always love your content Dr. Dave. Also what is your fargo? 630? 600?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@johntanner611 I don't have a FargoRating because I play only in VNEA leagues and tournaments, but I would estimate in the 630-650 range.

[@johntanner611]

@@DrDaveBilliards I am not familiar with VNEA League, I thought mid 600 would be about right!

[@KTHKUHNKK]

WOW I SURE WON'T BE PLAYING YOU THE WAY YOU RUN THOSE RACKS. KEITH

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks, or are you trying to hustle me? :)

[@KTHKUHNKK]

@@DrDaveBilliards LOL With my eyesight at 71 years old I couldn't hustle the worst player in the world.

[@justinlovesbilliards9165]

Hi Dave! Regarding the shot on the 7 at 4:32, can you confirm that going with inside to the short rail is the correct path? It seems to me that’s a small angle to hit and flirting with the scratch from either caroming off the 9 or straight in the pocket. Thanks, J

[@DrDaveBilliards]

That was definitely not the best choice. I should have just rolled straight across the table to the long rail.

[@LaVerdad65]

I love yoh doctor Dave

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Ditto

[@shortydancer]

Need to do these on a Diamond bar box now dr Dave.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Ain’t nobody got time for that. 🤓

[@maninthemiddleground2316]

Hi Dr Dave … did you use a full cue or a jump cue for the jumpshot made on 2:19?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I used my Predator Air (original) jump cue.

[@ATrainGames]

Good stuff, especially since most APA teams play on Valley 7' tables (we play on Brunswick 8's) and the national tournaments are on the Valley. Which makes me wonder how successful players/teams are who do not play on the Valley 7' are at APA nationals... Thanks, Dr. Dave!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Valley tables are very easy to play on, regardless of which equipment you are coming from. The pockets play big (except the sides), and banks and kicks play like on most tables (except Diamonds, which usually play short).

[@mikekowalski3128]

We play leagues on Diamond/Simonis and we just got done losing on Valley/Championship bar boxes at regionals to a team who normally plays Valley. The slower cloth played a role in 9-ball. We were left with a lot of long shots since we’re used to needing pocket speed only to get good (and in a lot of cases too much) cue ball travel.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@mikekowalski3128 Obviously, it is helpful if you can practice on tournament equipment before the tournament begins. Regardless, it is an important skill to be able to adjust to the speed of a table's cloth and cushions. Diamond tables play much faster than most other brands. They also kick and bank much shorter. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/Diamond

[@mikekowalski3128]

@@DrDaveBilliards agreed! And like a good Dr. Dave student I won both of my matches (as an SL-5 beat an SL-6 via handicap in match 1 and then another SL-6 outright in match 2). But APA requires near-absolute beginners to shoot via the 23-limit, so from a team POV it becomes kind of interesting as matches are won and lost on the backs of SL-3’s who average 5 innings per rack.

[@iamking7156]

Hey doc I got a question which is harder 7ft table are the 9ft? Your thoughts thanks

[@DrDaveBilliards]

9-ball is much easier on the 7' table. 8-ball is easier on a 9' table, especially if the pockets aren't too tight.

[@lazarkrcadinac1199]

Svaka vam čast gospodine Dive imao bih pitanje za back SPIN kako na bosovoj koji izvesti dobro povlačenje na dužinu. Zelim vam sve najbolje.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Positioning the CB off the rail more gives you more stroke length. I also pull my rail bridge as far as possible back on the rail. The longer length allows you to generate more cue speed with smoother acceleration and less effort.

[@tom86758]

Hi Dr. Dave do you have any knowledge about (SLATE vs MARBLE) for pool tables, I am asking this because the table i am trying to buy uses marble instead of slate, i was wondering if there are any drawbacks for using marble, i would highly appreciate your help.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Sorry, but I don't know anything about marble pool tables.

[@tom86758]

it's ok, thank you Dr. David.

[@blueballcomedy2869]

Marble is inferior for a few reasons, marble requires a filler component and this filler will cause it to sag and its also much more fragile than slate so it will break a lot easier. I'm sure over the decades of pool table research every little thing has been tried and still to this day, slate from one area in Italy is still considered the go-to.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@blueballcomedy2869 Thanks for the info. Slate is really amazing stuff!

[@MJ18883]

I love the video, thanks for sharing. I didn't watch in to much detail but I noticed you mostly made the 8 ball, which cause me to notice pattern racking? For the purpose of education, I could understand that, for more real life example (for example most people rack the 2 ball in that farthest position, opposite the 1 ball) I would suggest random. Might cause more problems and interesting run outs. I'm any case, as always, great video.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I put the 8-ball in the wing-ball position so people could see it being made every time. Everything else was random, so I don’t think it had much effect.

[@MJ18883]

@@DrDaveBilliards awesome, thank you!

[@therealthreadkilla]

Just wondering. Are these just 5 breaks in a row or do you break until you had a nice runout layout? I'm finding it pretty rare to be left much on breaks in league play. It's a mixed crowd with varying levels of skill and there's a shit ton more clumping going on.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

These were not consecutive racks. They were during one practice session. I think I only had two of the runs back-to-back during the session, but I have had 5 in a row before on a bar box that was trained and racking tightly.

[@blueballcomedy2869]

I think on the 2 ball in game 2 I think around 2:30, I might have just played straight up for shape on the 3 and not draw 2 rails. A little tough to tell how much angle you had though.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Agreed. I could have stunned up for the 3 in the side. I could have also just did a soft draw for the 3 in the upper corner.

[@BryanO92]

Oof, that table roll at 4:58.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Yep. Bar boxes (and CBs on bar boxes) are not always perfect.

[@everlbisbal-cesani2632]

Hello Dr Dave what brand is your table,size and color. Thanks

[@DrDaveBilliards]

My 9' table at home is Olhausen with 860HR Tournament Blue cloth. The table in this video is a 7' Valley. I think the cloth is Andy, but I'm not sure.

[@everlbisbal-cesani2632]

@@DrDaveBilliards I just order my Olhausen Chicago in Matte Graphite 9 foot with Simonis 860HR. Thanks for your reply to me

[@MrMountainJohn]

Do a video on a diamond 7 footer. Lots tougher!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

... then a 9' Diamond with shimmed pockets, then a 12' snooker table, then a Russian Pyramid table!

[@excxmoody]

@@DrDaveBilliards I'm liking where this is going.

[@danielchandler6572]

Dr Dave please let us know your thoughts on " Foul or no foul? Shane van Boening incident vs Francisco Sanchez Ruiz | UK Open Pool Championship", Would love to hear your analysis.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I’ve been on vacation and haven’t seen it yet. Please send me a link to the shot video.

[@danielchandler6572]

@@DrDaveBilliards kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3XbdYeGZtupobc

[@vincentnicosia2315]

any estimation of dr dave’s fargo rating? he plays so well i’d love to see him in competition! I’d guess 675+ but i have no clue

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I have been told I'm in the 650 range.

[@vincentnicosia2315]

@@DrDaveBilliards wow straight from the horse’s mouth! 650 is a great rating but you’re truly a world class rated instructor! thanks so much for all the lessons!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@vincentnicosia2315 Thank you, and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

[@roadshowautosports]

Well, Dr. Dave, the day we pay each other, I want to establish the rule number one: YOU DON’T BREAK!!!!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Sounds fair to me as long as I get to rack! 🤔

[@roadshowautosports]

@@DrDaveBilliards hum, I don’t feel that’s fair at all!!!! Lol. Thank you for replying!!!! Love your videos!

[@ericcolbert250]

why break from the corner? I find with a tight rack a break from the center still provides a ball on the break and better & easier control of cue ball control along with a surprise :)

[@DrDaveBilliards]

The side break (with a good rack) guarantees the wing ball to go. For more info, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/ Enjoy!

[@mosesng6050]

Playing on a 7ft bar pool table has some advantages. You'll be able to have a good aiming system. I played on a 7ft pool table once at an arcade at the mall called One Borneo in Sabah and it was great on 8 Ball, 9 Ball, and even 10 Ball games.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Yep. The small table and big pockets can definitely boost the ego.

[@mosesng6050]

@@DrDaveBilliards Oh, to be specific, it’s the Malaysian brand pool table called CM1 7ft pool table.

[@Lefishn]

​@DrDaveBilliards we play 7 foot valleys but all have Ridgeback rails with tight pockets. Don't know how people can play league or tournies with the standard 5" pockets

[@dustinbowers4204]

It's obvious I need to practice a lot more!! This looks so easy and smooth when you run the table and that bothers me 😂

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Practice (the smart kind) makes perfect. Although, I miss a lot too. I just don't show the the racks with misses in videos like this.

[@dustinbowers4204]

Only being able to practice one to two times per week I believe I need to make my practice more smart than it is.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

If you want some ideas, see all the info and links here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/practice/advice/

[@dustinbowers4204]

Thank you!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@dustinbowers4204 You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

[@marcosnascimento-maefia65]

Bom dia meu jovem. Poderia me informar qual a medida de uma mesa oficial do jogo 9 bolas .por favor

[@DrDaveBilliards]

See 9' table here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/table/sizes/

[@marcosnascimento-maefia65]

@@DrDaveBilliards muito obrigado meu jovem. Tenha um otimo dia.

[@exscalliber]

Great video, although at this point I think you are just showing off 😉 I would be interested in seeing some 10 ball videos. Mainly for the break aspect and some alternative breaking options if there are any

[@DrDaveBilliards]

FYI, I cover the 10-break in detail via the info and videos here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/10-ball/ Enjoy!

[@shawjoe71]

01:00 You made how many ball on the break? :)

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Oops. I meant 2. :) Good catch.

[@nickelassr1857]

Dr dave.. can you do a video on the foul that SVB argued in the UK open against Francisco Ruiz? Please.. a lot of people are arguing about it online

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I’m on vacation and haven’t seen it yet. Please post a link and I’ll check it out when I return.

[@nickelassr1857]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3XbdYeGZtupobc

[@nickelassr1857]

I personally think it's foul.. a lot of people disagree.. can't wait to see your take on it

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@nickelassr1857 Playing the video back frame-by-frame, it appears that sidespin is picked up by CB before the 3 moves. This indicates the cushion was hit first. The CB appears to have hit the 3 while still in contact with the cushion, and both balls appear to leave the cushion together. If this were the case, and if there were conclusive visual proof of this, the shot would be a foul. However, it is also possible the CB instead contacted the 3 after leaving the cushion and then returned to the cushion very quickly (too quickly to see with the limited frames of video), in which case the balls would have appeared to move the same way. If this were the case, the shot would not be a foul. Regardless, from the limited video evidence, there is no conclusive proof there was a foul, so the shot should have been called good. I personally think the CB hit the 3 while still in contact with the cushion, in which case nothing was driven to a cushion after OB contact. This would be a foul; but again, the video does not provide conclusive proof that this happened, so the soul should not have been called. BTW, here is a related shot from the Video Encyclopedia of Nine-ball and Ten-ball (VENT) showing how a ball hitting the cushion and another ball at the same time can follow the OB away from the rail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGevi56fi5h-Zqs

[@austinprice1654]

you should do a take on if shane fouled on ruiz in the uk open. the video is posted by match room!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Playing the video back frame-by-frame, it appears that sidespin is picked up by CB before the 3 moves. This indicates the cushion was hit first. The CB appears to have hit the 3 while still in contact with the cushion, and both balls appear to leave the cushion together. If this were the case, and if there were conclusive visual proof of this, the shot would be a foul. However, it is also possible the CB instead contacted the 3 after leaving the cushion and then returned to the cushion very quickly (too quickly to see with the limited frames of video), in which case the balls would have appeared to move the same way. If this were the case, the shot would not be a foul. Regardless, from the limited video evidence, there is no conclusive proof there was a foul, so the shot should have been called good. I personally think the CB hit the 3 while still in contact with the cushion, in which case nothing was driven to a cushion after OB contact. This would be a foul; but again, the video does not provide conclusive proof that this happened, so the soul should not have been called. BTW, here is a related shot from the Video Encyclopedia of Nine-ball and Ten-ball (VENT) showing how a ball hitting the cushion and another ball at the same time can follow the OB away from the rail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGevi56fi5h-Zqs

[@austinprice1654]

@@DrDaveBilliards yeah I thought that hit rail and three super thin enough to hit the rail and leave in same direction. either way I don't think it was "clearly" a foul as the ref stated. I appreciate your take on it as well. your awesome!

[@moistymangus8649]

What about an 8 foot table?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

The principles used in this video apply to all table sizes, but if you want to see me running racks on different table sizes (7’, 8’, and 9’), see the videos near the bottom of the page here: billiards.colostate.edu/dr-dave/

[@zanethind]

Did you already do a 10 ball bar box run out? If not you should

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I have not. Good idea. I'll add it to my list.

[@zanethind]

​@@DrDaveBilliards 👍

[@steffenfeuerbacher9297]

2:41 I would play the shot on the 3 much harder so the angle on the 5 for the runout is much better and no luck is needed.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Good point. I definitely let up on that stroke and came up short of my target.

[@pistonrodel9934]

😎👍

[@jacobslemmer6168]

Imagine betting dollar games at your local dive and Dr Dave comes in raising to $3.14 a rack 😫

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Haha.

[@andrebenites9919]

7:14 couldn't he hit the 1 in a way where the cue ball pockets the 4?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

That would be a really thin cut and very risky to miss.

[@jess33ad]

Can you just explain the 9 ball break with a wooden rack, without training the table?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I have some good "racking triangle" advice here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/racking/tight/

[@jess33ad]

@@DrDaveBilliards I didn’t make myself clear I guess, I have most of your videos and brought the VENT series for 8-9/10 ball on you tube, and btw they no longer show on my purchases??? But anyway I play APA no jumps, trained rack, or magic rack is not allowed, and mostly playing on Diamond tables, where hitting the 1 ball square send the wing ball long on the table and that’s where I need help, if I can get my break to work I’ll be a fairly good Player… Thanks again Jesse

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@jess33ad You should be able to access any previously-purchased KZbin versions of my paid videos per the info here: drdavebilliards.com/videos/stream/youtube/ Newer versions are also available here: drdavebilliards.com/videos/stream/ I also have a ton of free stuff dealing with break technique and strategy for all games here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/ I hope all of that helps.

[@truthwarrior122]

I have no foibles with 4-ball's floor bowls.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Haha.

[@truthwarrior122]

@@DrDaveBilliards Sorry, I could not dispute any of your genius. I admire a fellow truth warrior.

[@leoandsan]

You should analyze Shane's foul in the UK open

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks for the heads-up. I’ve been on vacation, so I haven’t seen it yet. Please send me a time stamp link to the shot if you know where to find it.

[@leoandsan]

@@DrDaveBilliards it was on their ppv I don't think the match has been uploaded

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@leoandsan I found it. Here is my analysis: Playing the video back frame-by-frame, it appears that sidespin is picked up by CB before the 3 moves. This indicates the cushion was hit first. The CB appears to have hit the 3 while still in contact with the cushion, and both balls appear to leave the cushion together. If this were the case, and if there were conclusive visual proof of this, the shot would be a foul. However, it is also possible the CB instead contacted the 3 after leaving the cushion and then returned to the cushion very quickly (too quickly to see with the limited frames of video), in which case the balls would have appeared to move the same way. If this were the case, the shot would not be a foul. Regardless, from the limited video evidence, there is no conclusive proof there was a foul, so the shot should have been called good. I personally think the CB hit the 3 while still in contact with the cushion, in which case nothing was driven to a cushion after OB contact. This would be a foul; but again, the video does not provide conclusive proof that this happened, so the soul should not have been called. BTW, here is a related shot from the Video Encyclopedia of Nine-ball and Ten-ball (VENT) showing how a ball hitting the cushion and another ball at the same time can follow the OB away from the rail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGevi56fi5h-Zqs

[@user-bb2rq7kb1e]

what about 8 foot bar box

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Things are easier on an 8’ table since it is good compromise better a 9’ table with (where shots are longer than the CB needs to move more) and 6’ or 7’ table (where shots are shorter but where there can be more clutter and clusters). For good strategy advice, see the videos, info, and links here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/game/9-ball/

[@user-bb2rq7kb1e]

I'm trying to find out what the best 8 foot bar box 9 ball break

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@user-bb2rq7kb1e See the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/ The advice applies to all table sizes.

[@alesiospahi3396]

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[@bigjerm210ify]

Step 1: good break that’s it

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Step 2: run out.

[@stanleyhutsell2879]

Should be alternate brakes

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Agreed, especially on a bar box with good players.

[@justjeff386]

hmm first rack you claim to have made 3 balls on the break. Are you SURE? Lol great video though!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Oops. Good catch.

[@aloysiusvo318]

1:02 9-7 = 3 😂

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Good catch. I didn't know about my creative math until now.

[@johnschmidt2964]

Lol.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I assume you find the small table and huge pockets entertaining.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Or did you like the "Practice ... Ain't nobody got time for that" memes?

[@caseydahl1952]

unfortunately most these bar boxes are coin operated so if you play 9 ball you're paying for balls you don't use

[@frazierg0325]

Discover 6 ball. lol.

[@flyant321]

it's looks so effortless.. 🥱🥱🥱

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. This obviously comes more easily with more practice and more experience.

[@kurtkensson2059]

"Cue-Anon* Club" member, just checking in! (* -Stolen- Borrowed from Dr. Dave.)

[@DrDaveBilliards]

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[@kurtkensson2059]

@@DrDaveBilliards Ha ha! Would you let me borrow one? 😁

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@kurtkensson2059 If you click on it and purchase it on the site, you can "borrow" it for as long as you want. 😂

[@kurtkensson2059]

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[@DrDaveBilliards]

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