Important technique to note! Although I use the power drill to tighten the screw at the end, I would HIGHLY recommend doing this by hand to avoid over-tightening the screw and stripping the threads!
@saydeecannon40833 жыл бұрын
"Tighten it until you feel it loosen, then back off a quarter turn"
@notaloneintokyo2 жыл бұрын
Using a drill with a clutch and not using the clutch. Seems like no one knows how or wants to use them
@jackoliva72062 жыл бұрын
@@notaloneintokyo Indeed. Useful tools that go unused are wasted money.
@FreddyJ12019 күн бұрын
@@notaloneintokyo I agree - I saw the clutch on his drill and thought “Why isn’t he using that to make sure he doesn’t strip out the screws?”
@tannerstephenson23273 жыл бұрын
If you are worried about water leaking through, you can always put a dab of clear silicone on the threads of the screw before putting the screw in.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
absolutely. I don't bother doing that when the mount is on the deck, but if it's anywhere near or below the waterline, that makes a lot of sense.
@pb85828 күн бұрын
@@PaddleTV That interesting so my seat mount got ripped/broke off when I got wipe out by a wave in the ocean! (top deck) I went to the shop and they told me to put rivet instead of the self tapping screw! I asked about silicon and they were like what for? it's on the top of the kayak if a bit of water goes though that not a big deal in fact water will always find his way in! I was always obsess by having a water tie kayak sit on top but I guess I changed my mind there!
@JPatzer2012 Жыл бұрын
Rivets and marine sealant are an excellent option as well.
@NightHawk593 жыл бұрын
Just my 2 cents, but I would do the final tightening by hand rather than with a drill. It is far easier to apply the correct torque with a reduced chance of stripping the hole. Just a thought.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
100% agree! I should have done that to be safe.
@edevans59912 жыл бұрын
The temptation to use a power tool that happens to be in your hand should not be underestimated.
@Fleshybitz2 жыл бұрын
Yes and use a racheting driver or turn the setting on your drill to drive and use the lowest ratchet setting
@SABjork2 жыл бұрын
Yes, extra small pilot hole, hand tighten, dab of silicon sealant 502, stainless steel, self-tapping flat top screws. 👏
@thedevilinthecircuit1414Ай бұрын
silicone.
@viaujoc3 жыл бұрын
I did customize my sea kayak. I added a bike bottle holder inside, a pair of thighs rests and a reflective perimeter line. All were installed by drilling holes and attaching the accessories with stainless machine screws and locknuts. My advice: measure twice and mark your holes before drilling.
@The_Tradie_Trainer10 ай бұрын
Curious where you mounted the bottle holder? Looking to mount my (hand) bilge pump basically between my legs and very suss about drilling below the water line.
@jchambers11913 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about Well Nuts - they work well when you can't get to the inside. Also, using the lower clutch settings on your cordless drill can prevent over-tightening. As usual, great video - well done - please keep up the great work!
@stephencannell38552 жыл бұрын
I second this. Well nuts for the win. I would never screw.
@KyBrancaccio3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid! Mounting points for the mini sails is one idea, or side clamp for paddle, Tow line mount so that I get even more of a workout when my wife doesn't feel like paddling lol.
@jjlynn61613 жыл бұрын
Where would you place a tow line mount, for when you're towing your wife - up front, or towards the rear?
@craigmorris25473 жыл бұрын
I would recommend using pop rivets instead of screw and a marine sealant around both the holes and the underside of the rail. Screws in soft plastic probably won't stand up to repeated flexing/use. They'll end up stripping and then you'll need to replace with a larger screw.
@backpacker34213 жыл бұрын
The other solution would be nuts and bolts - put some light duty lock-tite on the bolt threads, and use some appropriate washers, at least on the underside, and yes, and a good marine sealant on both sides. In his case, nuts and bolts not working, screws could work fine for this particular system since you have multiple screws, so no real play once installed. You just need to make sure the screw has robust threading, which any screw made for plastics would. Using nylon screws is also usually best since they flex to the plastic rather than biting into it.
@budman89263 жыл бұрын
@@backpacker3421 Everyone seems to be a pro at how the mounting systems work its quite amusing..
@josephshaff51943 жыл бұрын
@@backpacker3421 Yeah. A fastener is held in place by a force and deformation. So that is always present.
@ChadHooverFishing2 жыл бұрын
We have tested the breaking strength of both and done it several times on several different platforms and even though it is intuitive and understandable that you would think this, the research actually showed that the self tapping screws held much better, didn't loosen up and have better long term durability than pop rivets. Many pop rivets can also leak through the center in rain or wave action and they are disimilar metals in most cases so they are more prone to corrosion. I would 100% recommend finishing with a hand operated screwdriver here instead of a power tool to avoid stripping the threads, which can happen with even the slightest overtorque.
@riduck2 жыл бұрын
Well nuts are my preferred option for screws in plastic. Yes they flex and rotate, but you can add more anchor points for stability, and the compliance protects the threads.
@alittleofeverything1532 жыл бұрын
The camera booms on a track works well for me. I made a 5 foot boom out of a monopod mounted to the left side behind my seat. Gives me unlimited angles. Thanks for another great video.
@neilbrodie1102 Жыл бұрын
Nice plain instructions that are clear without all the technical jargon that means a novice like me feels confident enough to try 👍
@PaddleTV Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@pacocuadra86153 жыл бұрын
Also, some related suggestions : how to lock your kayak, securing your kayak and , DIY lock antitheft systems,etc
@backpacker34213 жыл бұрын
The only real anti-theft is to put the boat inside a secure building. There are no other theft-proof solutions, but just like locking a bike, there are things you can do to discourage theft. The best I've found for anti theft is to pull the kayak up along side a good solid object like a tree or bike rack. Take a 20 or 30 ft braided steel cable and run it through eyelets (not the handles) halfway-ish up the bow, then run the cable aft, and around the tree a full 360, the back through some eyelets halfway-ish down the stern. Then lock with a padlock in the middle. It helps if the cable runs across the deck and through eyelets on the opposite side of the boat to form a rectangle before meeting in the middle to accept the padlock. That will help distribute the forces if anybody does try to mess with it. NOTE: The does absolutely nothing to secure the contents of your day hatches. Take that stuff with you or secure it a different way.
@jhondoe14833 жыл бұрын
This is the reality bud, locks, security, chains, ect will ONLY keep honest folks honest, if someone wants your yak I don’t care how you lock it down, they will get it, remember 99% of locks and security devices can be overcome with a pair of cable or bolt cutters that can be had at harbor freight for about 20-30 bucks
@mijaatin3 жыл бұрын
one suggestion for video: how to transport a kayak with your car? Would be nice to see different systems developed for mounting a kayak to a car.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
Sounds good! I just so happened to have filmed that this week! Stay tuned.
@backpacker34213 жыл бұрын
Touring kayaker here. The first accessory I mounted was a compass so my heading was always easy to read and right in front of me at a glance. The second was a few eyelets for adding some bungee lashing. The third was some mount points for flotation baffles inside the bow and stern storage. The most recent was a telescoping mount for my waterproof 360 degree sports camera. Now when I want to film, I just need to turn on the camera and start it, which is easy since it's right there, then I can extend it above my head and get a full 360 degree view around the boat for as long as needed.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
Very cool! How is the 360 footage to deal with afterwards?
@josephshaff51943 жыл бұрын
Compass is on my list! Nice!
@tominnenPL3 жыл бұрын
This topic could be an introduction to develop, widen content. So many possibilities, that everyones imagination can make it stop. Good drilling tips Ken, and yes, You have always my thumb up. You did great job. 👍🏻💚
@cindygardner3221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being clear & concise! I can do that!
@dawsonzinza16713 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I recently decided that I want to get into Kayaking, and your videos have been a great help. From what I can tell, you don't really have a general guide on PFDs. Would you consider doing a video comparing features on PFDs to look for? Thank you for your channel!
@loumitti18423 ай бұрын
Very nice simple video instructions buddy,this was all i needed.Thanks
@PaddleTV3 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@meagainandagain57562 жыл бұрын
Always easy to watch and learn from your videoes
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@willhoward9865 Жыл бұрын
pretty thorough explanation> THANKS. My kayak has removable plates for this, just for this circumstance.
@maryhaynes75803 жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful info. Thank you. Looking forward to the video you mentioned on mounting & usage of camera equipment.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
Here you go Mary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZjCkolodq14ba8
@TheCorgiWoman3 жыл бұрын
Recently bought and used the Yak attack articulated camera mount for my action camera. It fits on the track already on my kayak. Plan to buy a cup holder next.
@ChrisWhite.fishing3 ай бұрын
Cup holder sounds super dumb for ppl outside US
@hkalsi21366 ай бұрын
Great explanation and demos. Keep it up.
@JasonLee-t3b3 ай бұрын
I mounted all my accessories with gorillas double side all weather proof tape. Never failed even after two seasons so far. Although it’s going to be a pain to get them off in the future as the tape is strong you don’t have holes so that’s a plus
@jjlynn61613 жыл бұрын
Daunting at first.... thank you for sharing. You mention bolts and screws. What about rivets? Is there any accessory mount you might consider sealant for the hole being drilled prior to inserting a screw or bolt?
@viaujoc3 жыл бұрын
If you have a kayak made of composite material such as fiberglass or carbon fiber, it is still possible to drill holes. However, extra steps are required to properly drill holes in those materials because they are more brittle and much easier to crack and chip than plastic. There are quite a few good videos on KZbin on how to properly drill into fiberglass.
@fastmower2 жыл бұрын
Watched a ton of your content lately - and really learned a lot. So thought I might just be able to help you out with the "bolting something to a place you can't get to the back of" problem. Have a look for something called a rivnut - could be just what you need 🙂
@KenjiHeuving-j7iАй бұрын
I got a second hand rec-tour kayak from marketplace for 90 dollars. It is a great kayak but it has no bungee nets, no storage hatches and even no bulkheads. I would like to do some touring with this kayak and some longer routes instead of just a little circle around the same place over and over again. The front has a weird triangulair shape so adding a hatch wouldn't work I want to make a storage hatch because it has a lot of useless space behind the seat that i could use for storage, but because the kayak has no bulkheads the stuff i put in the hatch would be wet if i flip... So, in summary: DRAMA! Do you have some tips?
@PaddleTVАй бұрын
Not having bulkheads in the boat is a limiting factor, but not because your stuff will get wet. Whether or not you have bulkheads and hatches, you have to awesome that everything will get wet, because water WILL get in. This means everything that can't get wet needs to be in dry bags. The issue of not having bulkheads means that your entire kayak will fill with water if you flip (or take a big wave over top). This makes it MUCH more difficult to deal with the swamped kayak on the water, whether you are swimming or towing it to shore, emptying it on the water and reentering, etc... This means you need to stay relatively close to shore with the boat, and you need to stay in calm water. BUT, you can do longer trips, or overnight trips with a kayak that doesn't have bulkheads. Simply put everything in dry bags, which you should do anyways. Use a bunch of 5,10,15, 20L dry bags instead of fewer big dry bags, so that you can fit everything into the kayak.
@KenjiHeuving-j7iАй бұрын
@@PaddleTV I put a a few plastic footbals in the kayak so it won't sink. I was planning on making a bulkhead myself with thick foam and kit or glue so my kayak won't fully swamp.
@rgsparber13 жыл бұрын
Have you considered using an expanding Molly? Find the shortest grip range and then add washers to thicken up. It will hold far better than screws in plastic. Then you will have a 6-32 tapped hole in metal.
@PappaMike-vc1qv3 жыл бұрын
Better than a molly marine rivets hold better and are smooth on both sides preventing snagging of dry bags in the hold.
@rgsparber13 жыл бұрын
@@PappaMike-vc1qv the Molly I’m thinking of spreads out into an X on the backside. If this could snag on something, it means you can reach this back side. In that case, I’d go with a bolt and a large washer with locking nut.
@MattLevin-q9n3 ай бұрын
Ken, can you show how to add Kayak lifelines behind the Pakayak Blufin 142 cockpit area? This would be for tucking a paddle under the lifelines for self rescue using a float at the end of the paddle. There are no lifelines rear of the cockpit, just weak bungee chords. Thanks, Matt.
@Seektruth-595 ай бұрын
Have you ever considered using/mounting the skidoo/seadoo LinQ system brackets on a kayak?
@nunyabidness30753 жыл бұрын
I’m betting another video people will want is what to do if you do strip the threads tightening a screw. Larger screw? I might suggest the final tightening be done by hand only. Does the plastic hold those screws well? Would something like loctite be a good idea?
@PappaMike-vc1qv3 жыл бұрын
locktite will not hold on kayak plastic. There are few adhesives that will.
@nunyabidness30753 жыл бұрын
@@PappaMike-vc1qv Good info. I guess that’s why a bolt is preferred.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
You're 100% right! I should have hand tightened the screws at the end. It was bothering me that I didn't say that (or do that) after the fact. I'll pin a note to this video to let people know.
@johngandy54583 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, and appreciate all your insights. I'm new to the sport so I'm just the peanut gallery squawking, but I'm actually interested in personalizing my kayak. You prefer screws in 1/8" plastic over rivets, adhesives, butterfly clips, plastic welding, or hook and loop? Maybe adhesive combined with screws? Rivets seem like they would be optimal and glue is good redundancy, but running a drill into plastic? NightHawk59 is right that this should at least be done by hand. Am I overthinking this?
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
Hey John... yes and no. You're right in that all those things would work, but unless you're putting a tremendous amount of torque on the accessory, self-threading crews work great, and are what YakAttack recommends (and provides) with the mounts. You're absolutely right about doing the last bit by hand. I was thinking that as I was doing it. I didn't have a screwdriver on hand, but should have just used the drill as a screwdriver (without power).
@Toasty_19922 жыл бұрын
I feel like you could use 1/4” toggle bolts for mounting to areas you can’t access. Yes the holes will be bigger, however you can buy gaskets to fit on both sides. You could even cut your own gaskets. This would assure tightest fit possible. I have not personally tried this yet, but I think it is very possible.
@gregventurevids3 жыл бұрын
Video idea: I'd love to know how to cut a hole for a hatch cover / storage bag. I recently bought a Pelican Mustang 120 that has a very shallow and pretty useless front "hatch". I found a hatch cover/storage bag on Amazon that fits the hole but I need to cut an 11 inch hole to install. Yikes! Love your videos!
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
Yikes for sure! Definitely doable, but I don't have experience with kayak surgery of that nature! :)
@sprintershepherd43592 жыл бұрын
if its a plastic kayak , just mark out the size of the hole you want on some thin ply wood . cut the hole out with a jigsaw with a thin blade (thin blade better for cutting curbs ) then screw your plywood piece to your kayak where you want to cut the hole . and use it a a stencil edge to cut the hole in your Kayak .
@RonK3 жыл бұрын
Cool video, thanks. That right arm made me frown for a moment or two, hope you're doing great.
@mathiasmilne3 жыл бұрын
Well nuts are also useful for anchoring tracks and mounts if you can’t reach inside to bolt on your mount. Either way you should always apply a healthy dob of silicone (preferably one that is UV & water resistant like a black rtv silicone as it will be under the mount and you won’t see it but it will help to keep any holes water tight). Remember a boat is just a temporary hole in water that you sit in or on and that water will always find unexpected ways into your boat so a a little assurance is good insurance.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
All good points. I think the silicone makes particular sense if the hole is below, or close to the waterline.
@mathiasmilne3 жыл бұрын
@@PaddleTV thanks for doing these videos. You do a great job
@bobbratt35763 жыл бұрын
Great info! Thanks!
@Blackpool20443 жыл бұрын
I have a idea on a video. safety equipment you can get for sea, river and lake kayaking
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
That's a good one! Stay tuned!
@muleskinner32242 жыл бұрын
I have a Dagger Approach...2003 model...and would like to outfit the deck top with more than what it came with. What accessory source/sites would you recommend? I thought maybe a cell phone mount, paddle holder and some type of cargo "pack" mount. Thanks
@leedempster4743 Жыл бұрын
Lol I got solar panels . USB Ports 7' of them . White lights red green . Trolling motor mount and a 26 lb thrust motor. And a heating pad for legs when winter kayaking . Lol to much I know it's all diy . And drilled all holes and sealed. Works great.
@davejpearson Жыл бұрын
What kind of screws are best? My Yak Attack flag came with bolts only. Thank you.
@thedevilinthecircuit1414Ай бұрын
Rubberized *well nuts* are the cat's meow for a 'blind' hole (no access to the back side of the mounting location).
@philipregets75562 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
You bet
@arogue4692 жыл бұрын
What do you think of well nuts as an option? Any experiences with them?
@Mikewparkes3 жыл бұрын
I added to mounts to my kayak for my phone and GoPro. Once I had all the hole drilled into my boat and mounts where I thought I wanted them I tried to paddle and died a little inside when I realized I couldn’t swing my paddle without banging into my new mounts. I had to move them further to the front of the boat and I’m left with a bunch of ugly holes in my boat :(
@hapymushroom3 жыл бұрын
Some great info.ty
@JobForATurtle Жыл бұрын
Okay, question for the kayak anglers out there.... I'm looking to install another mightymount gear track on my Bonafide RS117. Is it a good idea to put a small glob of marine epoxy on each screw while installing it? Will this ensure water-tightness, or am I just being paranoid? Thanks for reading.
@oxyfide4 ай бұрын
I'm thinking the same thing. Im going to use some....it definitely can't make things worse....if anything I think it will almost glue the screw in.
@michaelknudsen8152 жыл бұрын
consider well nuts which while not as good as bolts, are better than screwing directly into the kayak (also rivets)
@michaelknudsen8152 жыл бұрын
p s kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaGkhaGhorCtj6s
@patrickbenthamradley5429Ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that your drill/driver has a clutch so you can regulate the tork when screwing into soft materials such as the plastic of the hull thus avoiding stripping the thread ! ;-)
@PaddleTVАй бұрын
Good point!
@ssilverleaf Жыл бұрын
Hello I am trying to find a paddle mount for my kayak, but my gear track isn't an open end one.. the gear track already has 2 slidable screw drives, where would I find a paddle holder that goes across the lap to mount to my gear track... Please forgive the complicated question i'm still new thank you I really appreciate your help..
@PaddleTV Жыл бұрын
Without seeing it, it's hard to know for sure... but YakAttack probably has your solution. www.yakattack.us/YakAttack_Paddle_Holder_p/grp-1001.htm I would send them that question (with a picture) to confirm that it will work for you.
@Tennet3D2 жыл бұрын
What about adding some glue (water resistant glue like TEC7) in addition to using screws? Just to secure the mount even better, and also securing from letting water in? Unnecessary?
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't hurt, but it's really not necessary. It would be more necessary to 'water seal' it if it was below the water line, or in a spot that regularly pooled water.
@jeannine70023 жыл бұрын
Awesome 👍
@BornSquared2 ай бұрын
Did I miss the links or description to these or is this just a “ look at what I have” video??
@james-white2 жыл бұрын
Will these accessories work on a carbon fiber kayak? Or is there a specific way you have to install them since it’s a different material?
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
That's a good question... and I don't have the answer to it! I would ask the manufacturer how to attach accessories to a composite boat. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
@justinmcclaughry25742 жыл бұрын
Are rivets a option? I’m looking at installing a Bimini duck blind frame for winter
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
rivets are an option, although I don't trust them as much for accessories that will bear weight. The duck blind could work, although wind could put too much pressure on the rivets... Bolting would be the best bet, as I wouldn't trust screws to something that could be subject to a lot of force either.
@bear1014 Жыл бұрын
where do you find the lanyards???
@DNYS8N Жыл бұрын
Do you know of any trolling motor mounts? I see some doing these high end engineering things but not much easy pressy. Thx
@PaddleTV Жыл бұрын
I wish I could help you! I don't have much experience with kayak motors. I do know a lot of the manufacturers have their own solution. I would try emailing the kayak company direct.
@DNYS8N Жыл бұрын
@@PaddleTV thanks appreciate the comment. I know it’s another off topic comment but do you know foxes for leaking around the pedal drive? I have a hobie AI and takes on lots of water, although I try to seal it.
@patrickdunn12299 ай бұрын
Use sisaflex 254 as a glue then screw by hand.
@williamiwaniuk55612 жыл бұрын
Bought a CaliCase. It works fine. No water inside the pouch.
@flyduckwings2 жыл бұрын
@9:00, how about rivet nuts instead of screws?
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Yup! That works too.
@DocPestilence3 жыл бұрын
An alternative if you can't fit a nut and bolt might be a toggle-bolt.
@NightHawk593 жыл бұрын
Much larger hole required. Most likely would need to seal it really well. Always a challenge getting sealants to stick to kayak hull materials.
@Brillo7172 жыл бұрын
What is the brand name of that track?
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
YakAttack makes them.
@Gromit8013 жыл бұрын
A little marine adhesive should be applied.
@paulwhitmire2 жыл бұрын
Can you add a diy rudder
@mikes894823 күн бұрын
Rivets with 5200 sealant
@rgsparber13 жыл бұрын
I’m not trying to be a wise guy. The challenge is figuring out how to install tracks on an inflatable. Maybe a frame that ties into the D rings.
@saydeecannon40833 жыл бұрын
Command strips
@rgsparber13 жыл бұрын
@@saydeecannon4083 that is a great idea for light loads. It would have to be placed so it didn’t dig into the soft plastic when the kayak wasn’t rolled up. Thanks!
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
YakAttack has a solution for that, although I haven't tried it: www.yakattack.us/switchpad-flexible-surface-mount-with-mightymount-switch-mmsp-1002/
@rgsparber13 жыл бұрын
@@PaddleTV this would be good for force’s perpendicular to the surface but not for bending. The inflated gunnel would deflect. Placement is also critical as it could prevent folding in the right place when being rolled up. A “picture frame” of channel anchored at the corners with these devices should work.
@justpassinthrough7 Жыл бұрын
Just goop the hole and re screw. Normally I use a screw driver and not a drill.
@grahamjordan82782 жыл бұрын
Check your manufacturer's warranty before making any modifications or drilling holes for attachments.
@ranjitkprasad3 жыл бұрын
Hi ken
@adamdaman63852 жыл бұрын
Don’t use screws!!! If you cannot bolt on then riveting or rivnuts is a much better option! I’m surprised this kayak pro doesn’t know or was not aware of this!?!?! Learn something new everyday i guess…
@ionageman Жыл бұрын
I don’t know why kayaks aren’t fitted with shade .
@vedadrokkor2 жыл бұрын
OMG, PLEASE put the screwdriver to speed 1 when screwing in the screws....HELOOOOO...
@modernwarfare2thegun Жыл бұрын
Don't listen to him he must be a retail rep. It is very easy to completely secure horizontal stabalizers, sails, screens, tracks, etc if you have the right tools……. I know I made many mistakes before becoming aware.
@josephshaff51943 ай бұрын
Just scavenged a net f/ my blow up.
@fishingpinky31652 жыл бұрын
Actual instructions begin at 9:04 your welcome!
@db24742 жыл бұрын
Rivets
@PappaMike-vc1qv3 жыл бұрын
Please do not use those screws on a plastic boat. The best method is to melt the hole with a hot nail of the correct size and attach your accessory with aluminum marine rivets (they have an o-ring and self sealing hole). Drilling a hole in a plastic kayak takes material out and leaves the hull with a weak point, and screws can easily pull out of plastic. Melting the hole builds up plastic around the hole and rivets spread the pressure on the plastic beyond the hole which prevents cracking. Also the rivets have a smooth finish that will not snag dry bags or cut hands or legs.
@sprintershepherd43592 жыл бұрын
sounds like a bit of overkill really . if anything just drill a smaller hole . the plastic is pretty flexible and not brittle
@MrFishBlood2 жыл бұрын
Pro-tip: This will NOT work on inflatable kayaks... Ask me how I know!
@tomallen607329 күн бұрын
Fishing kayaks are kinds creepy IMO.
@dirklademann23983 жыл бұрын
Diese ganzen Gimmicks....wer braucht sowas??? Ich bin bis heute mit Seekarte und Kompass unterwegs, habe mich nie verfahren oder bin in eine Situation geraten, die nur mithilfe anderer bereinigt werden musste. Ich weiß, dass viele dieser Spielereien nützlich sein können - ich weiß aber auch, dass Papier keine Funktionsstörungen hat.
@PaddleTV3 жыл бұрын
True, paper maps are great but people love their gadgets!