How To OVERPAY For Your Private Pilot License

[@dutchygirl]

I totally agree that training in different types of aircraft takes more time, but it is just so much fun!!

[@flywiththeguys]

Agreed. =)

[@Mooney201er]

Early on an instructor told me, “if it flies, floats, or f*cks, it’s cheaper to rent.” That’s one of the biggest truths in student flying. Great points otherwise. I experienced several of those myself when I was starting out.

[@flywiththeguys]

Me too. But like I said in the disclaimer, sometimes you need to and that's OK!

[@Passport_Ninja]

If it fucks 😂 I think all the older guys I work with would agree with this

[@dougmccloud3703]

I've managed to do quite a few of these points. I learned in the Piper, solo'd in the Piper. Not long after my instructor was fired, then they got rid of the Pipers and had to switch to Cessna. Big learning curve for landings for me. Thankfully my school did give me some free instructor conversion time on the ground and flight time to get me signed off to solo the Cessna, maybe a couple hours worth of free time. Better than nothing. Also train at Falcon which is the 3rd busiest in AZ behind your deer valley and Phx. About to be even busier in July when Scottsdale shuts down for runway maintenance. Also, I wanted to learn the Cessna too anyway when I was done with PPL so I guess I knocked out 2 things I wanted so I consider it a plus. And I think it makes a better pilot learning more than one. Thankfully I'm almost done. 3hrs night fly left and brush up everything and take my checkride. Just over 60hrs in. Probably at 70 or more by the time I'm done. Was hoping to be done by 60 when I first started but there ya have it I guess.

[@flywiththeguys]

So close! Hope you get it finished up soon. And it's great to see another local!

[@TomF1970]

Let's count them. I'm guilty of changing instructors (count em., 4!) - last one because I moved, infrequent flight training basically from traveling for work weeks at a time, not taking charge (at the being), and lastly, not being prepared (due to a lack of syllabus). Took me 3 years to get mine. I'm not going to make those mistakes for my IFR training.

[@flywiththeguys]

Amazing how much we learn. If only everyone did the right research in the beginning, it could change how the training industry works.

[@Saylor28]

Lol, I just started learning. I'm about 4 flight hours into it. -Learning in Southern California -Can only afford to fly once a week Luckily my CFI is pretty cool and very amenable. I just hope he sticks with me before he gets his hours to go Regional.

[@ihelpsed8em]

Awesome video buddy. Great content and realistic issues that most pilots don’t realize when they start training

[@flywiththeguys]

Agreed! Thanks for commenting John.

[@wadahbottle]

This video was a rude awakening for many, but it needed to be said! Thank you for addressing the elephant in the room

[@flywiththeguys]

I know right. It's so easy to get taken advantage of in your training too.

[@AlejandroRojas-ge1sn]

Wow nice video!!! A lot of good information.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks!!

[@matthewkorniczky]

Love the video (and the mustache)! Also, just wondering, do you have an Instrument Rating? If so, I would love to see some videos about that!

[@flywiththeguys]

Considering a series of me getting it later this year. =)

[@matthewkorniczky]

@@flywiththeguys Yes, yes, yes! I would absolutely love that! Good luck, BTW!

[@mongoose33353818]

Pretty true. I had 75 hours to checkride (passed). I switched instructors halfway through, and he had to see where I was, review some things and so on. Add 10 hours for switching instructors. I switched from a Cherokee to a Warrior after about 24 hours. My first instructor said the Warrior was really similar to the Cherokee, and maybe to her, it was. The warrior floats more on landings, the panel and switches are different, and only after about 5 flights in the Warrior did I notice that it has 5 sumps to drain, not the 3 in the Cherokee. Add 3 hours for switching aircraft. Then, after 65 hours, the Warrior went in to have a couple Garmin G5s added (small glass panels). It took a couple hours to get comfortable with a different display. The G5s are better (IMO) but it took some time to adjust. Figure 2 hours of flight time. So....10 hours due to instructor change, 3 hours with the new airplane, 2 hours after the avionics change....yeah, 15 extra hours. Not all of that is lost for nothing because I've flown two different aircraft, learned a bunch just understanding the differences, I still was flying and developing more skill, and learned some new avionics. But none of it helped speed things up.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks for sharing that. Great example and there are benefits, like you said. We all need to do what we need to do.

[@brianpetrow7218]

I really should tally mine...but all points very worth noting as they're asked daily....

[@flywiththeguys]

I chose not to tally my own..... I think it's kept my marriage safe.

[@aviator3815]

Love the shirt 😂. And good points!

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks! 😁

[@williamroberts34]

Great video. Thanks again.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks for watching!

[@РоманПлетнев-г3э]

Is Florida a good place in terms of cost? Or better to look for a "grass strip in the middle of Kansas"?

[@flywiththeguys]

Really depends. I would say middle of no where Kansas could be cheaper. But there are deals to be found everywhere.

[@gerardvaneick3066]

I'm not a pilot of any sort. My question is: What are the requirements for a 3rd Class Medical? I'm 62 and are on many pills and I take one injection that lasts for a week for diabetes type 2. Would this disqualify me for a 3rd Class Medical? Prior to flight training for a PPC (Private Pilot Certificate)? Thanks for your help. Love most all your videos.

[@flywiththeguys]

We did a video a long time ago - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmi7kKh5jplrjqc Its a good starting point, but you would want to see an AME about your meds and conditions in a consultation first, not the actual 3rd class medical. It's a great way to really figure things out. If you're medically disqualified, you can always get a sport pilot certificate, no medical required.

[@gerardvaneick3066]

@@flywiththeguys That was more at what I was really wanting to do with the Sport Pilot. I had another channel say that I should try for a regular PPC because you can do more. Currently I'm 62 years old, 6 foot 3 inches and 325 pounds. With the LSPC the useable weight for most aircraft is low at around 550 pounds. Though I have found some planes that have a higher useable load such as the Flight Design CTLS, F2 and the Euro Coupe. To name a few. Me personally; I was looking and salivating over the ICON A5 but I couldn't see a CFI under 110 lbs and 5 gallons of fuel for flight training. So I guess I'll have to wait until the Light Sport Pilot rules are (might be) increased (usable load) around 2023.

[@archerpiperii2690]

Not only does Deer Valley teach you great radio skills but also great pattern skills.

[@flywiththeguys]

Very true

[@dacr0708]

Hello, I’m located in Phoenix Arizona out in Goodyear. I was hoping that since you went to school in this area. You could give me a few recommendations on what flight schools to put on my list to check out. Anything helps thank you

[@flywiththeguys]

I actually didn't go to a school. =) You trying to do aviation as a career? I'm actually working with Fly Eagle Sport on some ratings right now.

[@thatboieddy242]

I have a question. How long does it take to learn basic maneuvers such as slow flight, power on/off stales, traffic patterns, etc? I've been training for about a week now and I want to know where I should be in my training.

[@flywiththeguys]

Good question! It depends on you, and it's a hard to give exact numbers. Depending on your instructor/school it could be anywhere from 8-12 hours of flight. It's the rudder skills that take the longest IMO.

[@thatboieddy242]

@@flywiththeguys Thanks for the reply! Your answer was very helpful. Also, the rudder really gets no love huh.

[@Hedgeflexlfz]

Imagine people who pay for a cirrus to get their PPL

[@flywiththeguys]

It happens. 🙃

[@yuchengzang1664]

@@flywiththeguys There are some sr-22s in my flight school and gosh, they are SO BEAUTIFUL comparing to the piper archer I'm training in. I will be so glad to train in one of them if I have enough money.

[@yuchengzang1664]

​@@flywiththeguys btw, they are not really that expensive tho. The hourly rate is around $200 wet. Yes, it is expensive in my airport since you can rent a 152 wet for $75, but when I was at KRDU, the rate of a 172 is also $200.

[@andrewfitts3654]

@@yuchengzang1664 dude, doubling the costs is a substanial difference

[@yuchengzang1664]

@@andrewfitts3654 I got that. But comparing to rent a 172 fro $200, I'd rather rend an sr-22 for that much of money.

[@generalinfo9452]

If someone owns their own airplane can they hire a CFI and do their training in their own airplane?

[@flywiththeguys]

Yes, but there has been recent developments on a few things with that. Check with a Local CFI for details.

[@charlesdahmital8095]

@ 5:00 Nice air-conditioner.

[@flywiththeguys]

LoL. The thing works!

[@johnhoon7069]

I'm debating as to whether I want to fly to Van nuys airport or at LAX both are going to cost me an arm and a leg

[@flywiththeguys]

Like fly to or train out of?

[@johnhoon7069]

@@flywiththeguys every train out of I'm looking for a flight school or an instructor with a plane

[@southwest1243]

Totally off topic but did you get that shirt from Sportys

[@flywiththeguys]

Just Amazon. 😁

[@southwest1243]

@@flywiththeguys Thought I saw something like that on sportys

[@oscarbaez3097]

Can I still be able to get my 1 class medical if my vision can only be corrected to 20/25?

[@flywiththeguys]

We go over vision in this video about the 3rd class. I know you asked about first, but there's a link in the description from the FAA on the medical standards. - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmi7kKh5jplrjqc

[@oscarbaez3097]

Ok thanks, I’ve already passed my written test and now I’ve been diagnosed with Keratoconus in my eyes. I will be having a surgery tomorrow to stop my vision from getting worst, And I can’t fly for the next 3 months.

[@sju_planespotter]

How about $251 the hour on a 172 with G1000?

[@bradyoder5899]

Does your price per lesson include the bottle of KY?

[@sju_planespotter]

@@bradyoder5899 no😂

[@flywiththeguys]

That's on the really high side IMO. I would expect it to be closer to 160-180 an hour. Again, I don't know your area. I just know what I would be willing to pay and what i've seen them go for in the past.

[@johnnyboythepilot4098]

That's got to be one really new G1000 172 to be that high. There's a flight school in my area that's $188 for a G1000 172. Heck even their Cirrus SR20 is cheaper than that at $234 an hour.

[@badGamr]

I thought KVNY was the busiest in the US

[@flywiththeguys]

KDVT, in 2020 so bad year, had 404K+ operations. KVNY had just under 226k. In 2019 KDVT was in the top 15 busiest airports in the US by operations, beating out Phoenix Sky Harbor 456k to 438k. KVNY used to be the busiest, but KDVT has been being it for 5+ years now.

[@Brave_Aviator]

Wow yaaaaay Kansas is cheap land....where I’m from.. yet I’m 15 years old which means 1 year still until solo... MORE MONEYYY😂🤣

[@flywiththeguys]

=)

[@edwinram1rez]

should i join atp flight school miami?

[@flywiththeguys]

I'm sorry but we've made it a policy not to recommend flight schools or ground schools because they are HUGE decisions with financial implications.

[@randc47]

I admit, I fall into a lot of those. Expensive flight school ✅ Brand new planes ✅ Infrequent lesson ✅ Haven’t flown in a year, once vaccinated I’m getting back at it. Busy airport ✅ Not studying ✅ Again, it’s been a year... New CFI ✅. Gonna need a new one as my old one is flying charter jets now. Good video sir!

[@noagruber8028]

Get thee back to flying!

[@randc47]

I shall fly again! I shall indeed!

[@flywiththeguys]

THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A CHECKLIST! LOL But yes, we've all done a few of these. I went through 5 instructors to get to the one I used.

[@JetBOY320]

So, he says I shouldn't do these🤔

[@flywiththeguys]

Kind of. There is a disclaimer. 😂

[@noagruber8028]

Yes its a bad business over paying. The worst are the pilot mills. They stretch out the training and shove you with different CFIs all the time so you end up taking longer to reach goals. I trained and soloed on two different aircraft- the Cessna 172 and then the piper. It was amazing how quick I got used to the piper and how quick and easy it was to solo on it. I love flying so much - any plane is a privilege to fly.

[@flywiththeguys]

I love flying too. =) And yes, there are flight schools out there that do this. It's really sad that they care more about bottom line than helping their customers.