How to place DUAL Sonos Subs for best bass response

[@victorvaldez6785]

Peter Pee, you audio videos are nothing but the best. Because of this video, I bought another Gen 3 sub at a discounted price and have not looked back.

[@PeterPee]

That's cool! I love the dual sub setup and I don't want to listen to the beam now... Because I took the sub from the beam to add as the second sub to the arc. :D

[@jaimeguaderrama931]

Happy New Years! Thank you for your advice. After watching this video, I decided placing one sub in the front left hand side (1 foot away from the corner) and I placed the second sub in the rear right hand side (1 foot away from the corner). I’m getting even low frequency throughout the room. I love this setup because the sub is not distracted while watching movies. Even low frequency is traveling through the room. I invited my brother to come over and watch Greenland movie..... he couldn’t pinpoint the subs locations.

[@PeterPee]

That is the ultimate setup goal for sub users. So much envy. When you chance upon perfect placement, you will hear/feel bliss like never before.

[@jhors7777]

Peter I love and appreciate your videos. Happy holidays to you from Minnesota.

[@JayPatrol]

Your a tech genius well crafted in audiophile listening, like following your steps my man. Peace Last thing i have an apartment with high ceilings is 2 subs sufficient for that and also putting them diagonal on each side of the room

[@megawren368]

Well done, mate! I learned a lot

[@12bhisma12]

Happy new year and love all the help we get from u.

[@PeterPee]

Same to you! And I love doing what I do. It's really a hobby of mine and happy to share.

[@crackheeler]

Happy New Year Peter !!! This video is very interesting!!! My preference is both subs at the front nearer to the ARC . The sound was awesome !!! Thank u Peter 😉

[@PeterPee]

Happy new year! Happy to seed some ideas for you guys to experiment and test which works for you!

[@alosh2491]

Happy new year!! Next video idea: adding 2nd sub for a sonos arc + 2 fives + sub setup 😉

[@pa1kum6]

I was gonna ask exactly the same...I have a arc + sub + 2 fives in my setup (thanks to Peter) and would like to know: 1. Is adding a second sub to this setup worth it? 2. which is better with Arc: Sub + 2 fives (or) 2 subs + 2 ones. Both these setups will cost almost the same

[@alosh2491]

Yup, I also do have the same setup: Arc + sub gen 3 + 2 fives. Also thanks to Peter 😉 and it is AMAZING! But it still very interesting seeing the addition that a second sub would add 😊

[@shihwu]

Same here, I also like to know with two Sonos five, will 2nd sub is overkill or not..

[@PeterPee]

Did not think that this was going to be a big question! Actually, this weekend, I am planning to spend some time testing this setup. My current guess is that the dual sub will bring about a much bigger impact. But then it begs the question... why not Arc with fives and dual sub.... this darn rabbit hole....

[@kingjust1979]

Happy New year's Peter!!! Thank you for another extremely insightful video. Very well done and executed. 2nd sub - here I come!

[@PeterPee]

Happy new year to you too and hope you enjoy the dual sub setup!

[@msp5616]

Have a safe and prosperous new year Peter Thanks for this it will be really helpful for me, you literally did the heavy lifting for our benefit

[@PeterPee]

Happy to help. I went through a kungfu movie with a lot of fighting (think Donnie Yen) and the fight scenes were monstrous....

[@augustusx82]

Peter can you make a video on the ultimate Sonos set up which would be 2 play fives as rear surrounds and two sonos subs..Whether it’s worth the money or not and what type of performance you get by having that set up. There’s only one video on KZbin with that set up right now and he doesn’t really go into depth whatsoever but he did say it was his preferred set up, I know you already have all of these pieces so it would be really cool to see how they work in tandem together before I go out and spend an additional $1500

[@PeterPee]

Hey! I just managed to get off work for the week and I was going through the comments and am surprised by the amount of interest on this specific setup. I will spend some time over the weekend exploring this. It's a pretty penny to spend so let's be very clear on the benefits first!

[@ronnieem]

Hi Peter, I wish in entire KZbin ‘reviewers’ could have invested more time and integrity like you are doing for us all! Many many thanks. Also, I would love to know your verdict on Arc+1Sub Gen3+2 Fives Vs Arc+2 Sub Gen3+2 Ones. Many thanks in advance!

[@danielwickman75]

I was told the fives do not do Dolby Atmos therefore I went with the 300’s! I have Arc, 2 300’s in rear and 2 Gen 3 subs! Isn’t this the ultimate Sonos setup???

[@jacklondon5225]

@@PeterPeedid this research and video ever happen? I’d love to hear your opinion on that setup! Thank you again for your hard work!

[@dbtalks20]

I dont miss your videos Peter (though I am not planning to buy subs ☺️) Jst want to say Happy New Year 2021!!

[@PeterPee]

Happy new year!

[@Ali_Shafai]

Happy New Year! Peter 😀

[@PeterPee]

🎉 Happy new year to you too!

[@myxipitlik2]

Excellent review, very informative and helpful. Thank you

[@PeterPee]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Dansyoung]

Great video. My setup is sonos arc, sonos amp, sonos ceiling speakers, and 2x sonos subs in the front corners of the room. Awesome setup!

[@frankysandoval1715]

How is the Sonos ceiling speakers would you think they’re a great add on if I already have 2 era 300’s with Sonos arc and 1 sub gen 3 ?

[@jonno8011]

Happy New Year peter 😬 Well that makes sense, i’ve wall mounted mine either side of the tv, however i placed them on 2 side walls facing each other, and noticed no gain in bass over one sub, Thank you Peter i now know my mistake... i will be moving them shortly.

[@PeterPee]

Happy to put some numbers behind the idea! Great that you found out!

[@mikeg9206]

Thank you for this analysis Peter. Happy New Year!

[@PeterPee]

Happy new year to you too!

[@rodneydangerfield7153]

Thanks, Peter, for your hard work and very useful advice!

[@hjr2000]

Thanks for the great video Peter!

[@digitaldreamer8637]

Awesome work mate! 👍🏼

[@CueOne10]

Great video! Answered so many questions for me.

[@Starrshaband]

Hi, just curious. Your preferred setup is to have both of the subs be in front. Have you tested both subs in the back? I assume same result but just wanted to confirm

[@FilmIn5D]

Fantastic video, very informative!

[@PeterPee]

Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful!

[@bbqboy175]

Peter thanks so much for your informative videos. I recently got myself a Sonos arc and a gen 3 sub. Last week I added 2 Sonos one SL’s and thought my mission was complete.After watching this, now I want a second sub. Any suggestions on how I should explain this to my wife? 🤣

[@juanvalera7272]

Do you already have your second sub?be good to your wife😂😂me i have my second sub 3 weeks ago,and mu wife is the one who asked me if i want the second sub😂😂😂 so i already told you the secret,btw with dual subs i will never go back to a single sub anymore 😂😂😂

[@bbqboy175]

@@juanvalera7272 lol nope still haven’t got it yet, but I’ve made it clear I want it for Xmas and after seeing what you said about it, I’m more excited than ever. 😃

[@ricardohague5491]

I have made a request to sonos to have adjustability for the sub gen 3 from 40-110Hz for us audiophiles to find best placement and crossover for our rooms. The diagonal setup gave me 55-65hz peaks which would be great at 40-55hz crossover. Now up front to each side of the arc gave me the better response with trueplay and is a more even frequency response where I would go for a 60-80hz crossover but leaning more to the 60hz setting to not be able to locate the subs.

[@joshfoster6017]

Great video as always! Thank you for all the detailed info!

[@PeterPee]

My pleasure!

[@davidbee8178]

@Peter Pee Happy New Year Peter - I'm happy to see that you look so healthy and fully recovered from your cold! I REALLY appreciate your videos - especially THIS one : ) as I'm getting a second Gen 3 Sub and placing it in a room very similar in volume and dimensions to yours. Due to restraints, unfortunately I have to place my TV only 2 feet from a corner along the LONG wall. My listening position is at 11 feet directly across from the TV on a couch right up against the opposite wall which does not allow for the use of surrounds because I can't distance them properly behind the couch. Due also to restraints, the subs can't be placed diagonally. I'm going to follow your suggestion for placing the subs on either side of the Arc which rests on a purpose built unit immediately below the TV (GREAT sound BTW) BUT the subs will only be 5 feet apart right up against the unit which has 3 shelves that are supported by wood blocks (so there are spaces between the blocks that would allow sound to go through) Do you think that if I place one sub with the slot FACING FORWARD and the second sub on the other side of the TV with the slot FACING SIDEWAYS (ie 90º to each other) that that will be effective in not having them cancel each other out? (BTW, I'm surprised that SONOS allow their SUBs to crossover at such high frequencies - so that if they are not CLOSE to the ARC, one might "hear" them as separate sound sources - what do you think gives? ) Cheers and Happy New Year with all the success you deserve, Peter!

[@PeterPee]

The cross-over point was probably determined as such because the Arcs aren't capable to producing a lot of quality bass so they would want to offload more of the bass duties to the subs. In your setup, I am going to suggest that you try our your suggestion of 90 degrees firing on either side of the Arc. And I think the sub on the 2 feet distance corner will have to be fixed. You then move the other sub + and - 1 feet left/right and front back to test which gives you the best output. It should work within that constraints.

[@carlosr.1175]

Thanks Peter pee

[@adamelias3978]

What about 2 subs separated, to the left of a room? Compared to 1 sub to the left of a room?

[@phildirt3]

I ve got playbar sub . Two play 1 s on main floor then 2 play 3 s in the loft 2 one sl farther back in the loft 1 one sl in Laundry room 1 in the bedroom and 2 in the basement. Sounds pretty good. Always looking to improve though

[@mirdan1960]

Hi Peter, thanks for all those tests! Just about to add a 2nd sub and you video is very useful! As a technician, my curiosity would be to know the scale of your curves? Example: How many db between your single sub curve vs your preferred 2 sub configuration at 80hz? Thanks 👍🏼

[@karthikvishnu040]

Hi Peter, Wish you a very happy new year ! You are doing an amazing job by giving scientific details of sound quality and performance of sonos products. I think you are among the very few people who know what they are talking about. May I request you to do a comparison of Bose soundbar 700 sorround system and Sonos Arc sorround system, if possible. Thanks

[@PeterPee]

Happy new year to you too! I have not gotten down to do a proper measured review of the Bose 700. When I do get my hands on it, I will.

[@fredrikforssell1579]

Excellent video, @Peter Pee ! Now, what about a scenario with two front placed subs, but one with the acoustic slot facing the MLP and the other with the side of the sub towards the MLP? I have a door close to the ideal spot for sub2, and the usable area between said door and my media cabinet would only allow for a 90 degrees turned sub. Would there potentially be wave cancellation?

[@PeterPee]

I just replied another comment on that. My suggestion to you will be to fix the position of one of the sub. And for the other, move it 1 feet + - to the left/right/front/rear to see which gives you the best output. The cancellation can be avoided simply by slight movements if the room/corner is tight.

[@markcayer7201]

I wish I could post a picture of my setup but the basement layout for seating isn't ideal because there a gas stove is in the middle of the room along side the walls so I actually have my TV with the sonos arc and sub in the corner face diagonally across my room. The room is 24'x15'. The sub is placed to the right of the TV setup and not tucked right in the corner but do you think it would be beneficial to place another one to the left of the TV? It would be 2 subs firing into the same corner. Thanks

[@r0me063]

Did you try placing one sub lying flat and the other upright? They shouldn’t cancel each other out but I’m wondering how the bass responds would be than.

[@GOLFADDICT65]

my room size is 14 x 22 ft.....8 ft ceilings......2nd sub size ?....already bought the second sub...so diagonal corners or each side of ARC looks like the 2 ideal spots ? great review and advice...cheers from Canada

[@PeterPee]

Yes you can. That is a pretty sizeable room. You will love the duals setup once you get the placement sorted out!

[@Spydrco]

Is it fine if only one sub is pointed towards the other sub? Only one sub would be firing towards the other sub so I’m wondering if this still cancels out bass

[@oskarma1801]

How do you get the sound from REW to the Sonos system? I want do do these sweeps at home and I have the umik-1 but before i connected hdmi from PC to Reciever.

[@jdfdc7]

How about right next to each other?

[@jarijansen9362]

Very nice video! So is it also possible to add a second sub to a stereo pair? (two 5’s for example). Or is it restricted to home theater stuff

[@pa1kum6]

Currently Sonos restricted this to only to home theater setups

[@PeterPee]

That's right Pavan... currently this is not for stereo or single non-HT Sonos speakers.

[@sludog]

Does height placement of the Sonos subs make that much of a difference? Wondering if the Sonos Subs can be placed on a media shelf a few feet off the ground to the left and right of the tv and Sonos ARC.

[@PeterPee]

I see that you have seen this video too! Yes, the sound will be compromised. The floor lends the reinforcement to the sound.

[@areliablesource2848]

Peter, thanks for this video. I was looking forward to it because I currently have two Subs, one for the TV/Arc in the living room and the other for the TV/Beam in the bedroom. I have already moved the TV/Beam to the TV/Arc and "guessed" at the placement of the two Sub's. This video confirmed that I made a correct guess; thank you. My living room is kind of large and the Sub's are placed 5 feet from center of the Arc to the center of each Sub. So far, I am liking this arrangement. I do not have an Apple product that supports TruePlay but I do have a Sonos Move. This is supposed to have something they call Automatic TruePlay and the Sonos manual seem to suggest that if I add the Move to the TV/Arc device it might perform the TruePlay function? Since I know what my paired Sub configuration will be I will move the Move from the bedroom to the living room and see if I can tell a difference. Thanks again for the information you provide; especially the graphs. It helps me a lot.

[@PeterPee]

I don't think the Sonos Move is going to help with he Sonos Arc. May you point out where the manual suggests that will help?

[@areliablesource2848]

@@PeterPee I found a User Manual for the Move on the Sonos website. There is a little paragraph that is the following: Automatic Trueplay™ You can put Sonos Move just about anywhere. Auto Trueplay tuning optimizes the sound for wherever you are and whatever you’re listening to. Your speaker’s microphone is used to detect the environment so auto Trueplay can make periodic tuning adjustments to deliver the best sound. If you don’t want the microphone on all the time, be sure to turn it on whenever you move the speaker. Your Sonos Move starts retuning when you pick it up, and continues to adjust the sound for a few minutes after you place it in a new location. Note:Auto Trueplay is disabled while you’re using Bluetooth. The information that caught my attention was "Your speaker’s microphone is used to detect the environment so auto Trueplay can make periodic tuning adjustments to deliver the best sound". There is a lot of info in that one sentence and even more information that is Implied. I am wondering/hoping that by adding the Move to the group that has the Arc/Paired Sub's that any TruePlay adjustments made by the TruePlay on the Move would include the sound from the Arc/Paired Sub's. I am also wondering/hoping that after the environment is "TruePlayed" that I can turn off the microphone on the Move that the settings would be retained on the Arc/Paired Sub's. I suppose that if it is really important I could/would/should contact Sonos support for their input but hey, what the heck, COVID-19 has provided ample time to play around and see what happens. Again, thanks for you work on providing this kind of information.

[@areliablesource2848]

@@PeterPee I have done some additional reading in the Sonos Sub User Guide and came across the section for the Sub Settings. The one bullet that I am not clear about is the one labeled Phase Control. Phase Control: Choose 0° or 180° to set the phase control for your Sonos Sub or third-party subwoofer. This can help integrate your subwoofer with other speakers in the room. What the manual does really explain is "why" a person would select one option over the other. In other words; under what conditions would I select "180 degrees" instead of "0 degrees". Could you provide some insight as the which Phase Control option to select. Again, thanks for your insight into the Sonos equipment.

[@yoda1388]

Thanks for the great detail. Should I get 2 Sonos sub or 2 Fives? or BOTH? Overkill?

[@mokshamahey]

Both

[@TeflonBeast]

What an amazing guy you are! Here’s a question… I have a large living area and within it there is a definitive viewing area (arc, P1s & sub g2). As it is currently the L rear if much further away than the R rear. If I was to add a 2nd sub it would be in this corner as it opposes diagonally where the 1st sub is (front corner to right of TV). I was thinking to bring the L rear closer but could I then leave the 2nd sub in that original much further away corner location? It would then be pushing the bass in from outside the set viewing area and from further away than the speaker or would they be both better in the same location? I hope that makes sense, your advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks.

[@PeterPee]

Technically, if you take a page from a concert setup in open air, subs tend to be clustered together so that the bass doesn't cancel each other out. But because we are in rooms with wall boundaries, we get reflections of bass notes so having it at different distances and locations can help. You do trueplay and it will take care of the phase settings to compensate for that.

[@TeflonBeast]

@@PeterPee thanks boss

[@davidthanos]

Great video as always. I'm thinking of just getting the Arc and 2 subs with no surrounds. What are your thoughts.

[@PeterPee]

That is a question that I want to answer in a video! I have been struggling with that myself too. Wondering if I would get a second sub or go for the surrounds. As of this very moment in time, I am leaning towards going for the surrounds. I'd say, get the second sub only after you have setup the surrounds.

[@curciobusiness]

Hey there! Love the video I have a question for you - have you tested or would you consider placing the subs laying down? From memory, they were advertised to be used that way for under couches etc

[@PeterPee]

Yes you can do that. You should however ensure that you have at least 4 inches of clearance above the sub’s acoustic slot to the couch.

[@samcurcio19]

@@PeterPee good on you Pete, thank you! I'm enjoying your videos, mostly for the humor! (enjoying the feel of those buttons too much!)

[@samcurcio19]

Did you happy to do a frequency read with the subs laying down? I'd assume it would work as if spaced too close to a wall

[@rampyrs]

Hi Pete, I have Sonos Arc with Sub Gen 3 and 2 SL as surrounds. I am looking for upgrade, should I add second sub to the system or replace SL with two ERA 300? Which is the better option?

[@hakono]

Hi Peter! Could you try placing both sub lying flat on the floor in the middle of the room - preferably with a couch on top? In my setup I have a gen 2 under the center of my couch and it works really great. But as the couch muffles a bit of the energy I requested this feature years ago and got the response that no-one would want more power than one sub could provide...

[@PeterPee]

I don’t have the setup to place a couch over the subs. I have done a test on the horizontal placement vs vertical play cement before. Horizontal in itself gives out less energy.

[@matthewnebon5934]

Could you do a video showing the differences in bass between having the Sonos Sub on the floor vs on a shelf?

[@PeterPee]

Good suggestion! Let me try to figure out how to do that test.

[@TheArnoldMedia]

im using on a shelf 1m from TV , loads of bass cause bass response is going straight around the room, no table or sofas gonna hide bass responses when im using o a shelf

[@twinkletheater8237]

Hello! Great video! I only have space for both of my gen 3’s with either the subs in front of the room, with ports facing away from MLP or subs behind couch with ports facing MLP. Any idea which would be better? I’ve tried both and haven’t been impressed by bass response. Seems to be lacking. It’s in a 12’ x 16’ room that’s open to a dining room and kitchen. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again!

[@jasonwolf8511]

I have a Beam with surround and one sub. Should I invest in a 2nd Sub or an Arc?

[@bradmiller2222]

I'm interested in the dual sub setup. Not for more bass because I feel one sub has sufficient bass for my room. But for even bass distribution. I feel like depending on the placement of my sub I have good bass in some seats and no bass in other seats. Will the dual sub setup help fix this issue?

[@PeterPee]

Yes, actually, a more substantial benefit of a dual sub setup in more traditional home theatre setup is to even out the bass response.

[@jsin01]

@peter is it better to use one gen 2 & one gen 3 or two gen 3s?

[@jdavisgeek]

I'm thinking about a dual sonos sub setup but I have two tall bookcases on either side of my TV. The subs can fit on top of the bookcases though. Do you think the sub sound would still be good coming from the top of the left and right bookcases?

[@Wolftec3]

Nice Video. My question is or questions I should say are is your room a dedicated room where you run your test or is this in your living room? Does it have a door that closes the room off to other areas of the house?. I like how you do the science behind having a second sub. Many people have open concept houses with sonos in the living room area. Surely the fixtures such as seating positions tables, chairs ( maybe some have carpet vs hardwood etc), vaulted ceilings of assorted heights, will impact each individuals setup. Will the setup in a living room with many seating positions produce a different affect for the listener depending on the location they sit when watching Tv or listening to music? It seems to me there would be a premium listening position. What are your thoughts on all of this. Thanks gain. Did you do a review on the curve you get between having an arc connected to a Gen 2 sub verses a gen 3 sub? Thanks again

[@PeterPee]

I did a video on an Arc with Gen 2 and Gen 3 sub before. And yes, placement definitely changes how the sound is perceived. So many variations. There is a sweet spot and you can expand the sweet spot with clever placement and even bass response. My space is actually not the living room but my work area. It was originally a theatre room but I was forced to put in working desks due to the work from home arrangement. The space is not completely closed but closed enough with very thick curtains and just one doorway.

[@MasterJenno]

Did you end up doing a comparison between the Play Five and Bluesound Pulse 2i? Cant seem to find it, but you mentioned you would compare them in a previous vid

[@PeterPee]

I have not gotten round to it! I did the Five and I was kept busy all the way since! I need to get to it...

[@MasterJenno]

Hehe I cant wait! Your videoed are absolute gold, and of exceptional quality :-) Keep up the good work - it’s much appreciated! And then I will wait buying either of them till I’ve seen your comparison!

[@wmbriggz]

now that all the streaming services movies seem to be at least 5.1.... should I go for the second subwoofer? retired... a movie a night for me...usually with no one to disturb... thanks

[@PeterPee]

That is the life.... If you have a Sub Gen 3, you can go for dual sub setup!

[@mrgold3591]

I have a beam/Gen 3 sub/One SLs in a smaller office and the Arc/dual subs/Fives in a larger family room almost 3X larger. Both spaces are filled 100% with either sub to my liking. I "feel" a second sub in the smaller room would be too much AND a single sub in the larger room wouldn't fill the space as well (I haven't tested this our in real time).

[@IGots2]

Hey Peter Pee, some of us have not had the chance to upgrade from the Playbar to the Arc. Availability, price, and having to upgrade the TV are a few reasons. Would you do some videos with the Playbar? I.e. Playbar, ones for surrounds, and sub. Would we get benefits with dual subs even using the Playbar? Cause it seems like all my other components are still relevant and will not need to be upgraded. If dual subs benefit the Playbar, I can pick up the sub gen 3 and when the time is right, I can swap out the Playbar for the Arc. Thank you.

[@PeterPee]

I do not have the playbar and the playbase anymore unfortunately. I just don't have the space for them. But if I were to try to answer your question, it'd be clear that the playbar will be able to benefit from the second sub. Technically, all the Home Theatre sound bars from sonos including the Amp can take a second sub. The benefit should be significant. From the way the bass is lifted, it is in the territory that no standalone sound bar can generate.

[@lilo3847]

Hi Peter Pee, I have a concern about my Sonos arc and play 1. I have them set up as surround. When I watch a movie or play music for 20 mins or more, my ears started to hurt. It is very uncomfortable, What is the problem? any solution would help. thank you

[@PeterPee]

How close are your play 1s to your ears in their current surround position?

[@MrLxone99]

I don't have an iPhone can I use the Sonos roam trueplay for tuning the surround system?

[@mrgold3591]

No, the Roam internal mic is only for adjusting the speaker audio profile at its location only. The I.O.S. Trueplay adjust the sound profile for the entire listening environment, speaker(s) placement, and optimal listening position.

[@stacysmith5760]

Just a random question, I can't get my lip sync right on my ARC this seems a common issue.. Can you help.. is there a video available anywhere that I can use to help with the syncing?

[@PeterPee]

Hey, I have been having issues with that too on Atmos sound track. It is a common issue and unless you have a full eARC TV that supports Atmos, it doesn't seem like the problem will go away.

[@ABO-SAFFI]

Hello i want to ask you something i have an arc a sub and 2 one sl's the ones in roof i cant put bc i live in a appartment so yeah do you think i need to add anything else to make my sound and/or surrond better

[@PeterPee]

You are asking about the placement of the two ONE SLs? Just leave them at around ear level. Does' have to be at the roof. In some cases, I have left the surround speakers on the floor lying around even.

[@sachmo3]

Thank you! Would your recommendation for settings from other video (Sub -4; Treble -6; loudness on; Sub audio -5) be changed if going from 1 Sub to 2 Subs?

[@PeterPee]

Yes, it would have changed. I have not tinkered with the settings yet so I can't advice with certainty for now.

[@ondrejdorotik1070]

Hi, can i have connected arc and sonos fives like a front facing speakers? You know..i have fives as my stereo setup in living room for listening music and I think of ordering an arc and put him in the middle between them. Whether it is possible for all three to be placed in front? Maybe fives would replace subwoofer a little.

[@fredrikforssell1579]

The Arc receives input from the HDMI and the Fives will receive that same signal over wifi, if you group them. This might introduce a small microlatency, which makes mids sound somewhat tinny and introduces an odd echo in dialogue. At least this was my experience in a similar use case involving an Amp with tower speakers and a Beam (ended up attaching the TV to the Amp only and moving the Beam to another room). The microlatency is not a problem with a sub connected to an Arc, obviously, as mids are not involved. Try before you buy, if possible.

[@ondrejdorotik1070]

@@fredrikforssell1579 thank you.

[@PeterPee]

Excellent answer Fredrik! Thanks for sharing!

[@thehardyfamily6141]

Hi my room is 12.5 x 12.5 x 8 ft. Is the room big enough for two subs?

[@tumunamegabe1968]

I added my second sub yesterday, my room is big enough for a second sub. When tested I realized the bass of my existing sub went down lost but one thing is u can't really tell where the bass is coming from is full fill the house but not strong. Is a problem of positioning or bass, music, tv ... set up levels. Please help

[@PeterPee]

The best bass is when you can’t localised where it’s coming from so you have a good setup already. You can just increase the sub levels to compensate if you want more bass.

[@tumunamegabe1968]

@@PeterPee thanks Peter for advice, also I have an issue with sound disconnection between the arc and surrounds which never happened when I used to use a single sub but since I added a second sub sometimes sound will cut. I'm using HDMI cable.

[@TheArnoldMedia]

Peter ! Do new Kef sub vs gen3 sonos comparison ✌🏽

[@PeterPee]

Oh yes, I was reading about the Kef sub with interest. I like KEFs and they sound accurate. If memory serves me right, they are better suited for music and less for movies. Sonos the other way round.

[@TheArnoldMedia]

As i know yes, but i like Sonos when im listening music too, didn’t have a chance to try Kef new small sub but i know that You cant pair them. Anyways have a question that hopefully You gonna answer! 🙏🏽 im using beam with 2x SL’s and gen3 sub but im more music listener then a movie watcher.. how about im gonna use all speakers in front as L and R channels? i mean bring surrouds in front. cause i don’t really like when im gearing music more from behind than from the front. Did You did that before or tested?

[@zubairkhan14]

Is it better to get Gen 2 and Gen 3 subs for the dual setup or are two Gen 3 subs better?

[@PeterPee]

I wanted to find out but have not managed to get my hands on a sub gen 3. Have to wait that out.

[@MrLxone99]

Quick question, at what level do you keep your sub?

[@PeterPee]

Most of the time I do a lot of testing and keep it neutral so it is at 0.

[@TonyStackzz]

Is it possible to run 2 sub gen 3’s?

[@PeterPee]

Yes you can do that.

[@TonyStackzz]

@@PeterPee but do you think it would be overkill??? Lol

[@MacYYur4me]

VERY interesting experimentation and research. Who'd thunk about the possibility of 'canceling out' positioning. Please Peter, do NOT try a third sub... I think you are very near creating a black hole.

[@PeterPee]

Kevin, when Sonos allows a third sub to be added.... I *WILL* add a third sub. Hahaha... The black hole is already here. And I am staring at it whenever I look at my bank account.

[@MacYYur4me]

@@PeterPee LOL... been there... done that.

[@user-fp6kx6qz9l]

Can you summarise these videos

[@davidbee8178]

@PeterPee As promised, I was happy to join and contribute to your Patreon Coffee Fund today . . . hope it went though OK : ) (davidMTL) Just wondering; since the crossover on the SONOS Arc to Sub is quite high, isn't relatively easy to locate the sound of any SONOS SUB (which is a no-no for proper bass integration and sound) that is not relatively near the Arc - like diagonally across the room? Your set up when you place your two subs on either side of the Arc looks extremely promising. I see you have the slots of BOTH subs, facing OUT toward your listening position. As long as the TWO Sub SLOTS are NOT facing each other or are perpendicular to each other, there will be no cancellation, correct? Thank you SO much for your very informative no B.S. videos !!! LOVE the way you divulge your answers at the outset and THEN go for the details!!

[@PeterPee]

Hey David! Thank you for the contribution and I sincerely appreciate it! The crossover being hight means it is a lot more difficult to place the sub without bringing attention to itself. There is still a chance that subs will cancel each other out in unlikely situations even if the slots are not facing each other. Subs throw out low frequency waveforms that are very long and hard to control and predict. So the best is to experiment. If you feel that you are getting less outputs from two subs than from one, then you can keep one sub in a fixed position and then move the second to see if it helps. It usually takes just a foot movement to correct a cancellation.

[@davidbee8178]

@@PeterPee Thank you for your suggestions, Peter. Happy that you got the Patreaon thingy and that others will support you too. It's a community thing : ) and you really do look after your community very well.

[@SathishKumar-fm4ml]

Hi Peter can i add dual sonos with 2 sonos 5 or the dual subs can only be paired with a sonos beam or arc?

[@PeterPee]

Only with beam and arc. Or playbase, playbar and amp. Not the Fives.

[@James-zu1ij]

Surely you can place the subs next to each other, mimicking 1 larger sub.

[@PeterPee]

I actually don’t like 2 subs close to one another. I find that the sound gets muddled up quite a bit.

[@James-zu1ij]

@@PeterPee Thanks, wish I had the means to experiment.

[@BackyardBeachpool]

i have my sub behind me, not next to my tv...in my room you don't hear the sub next to the tv.my sub is at the back of my couch

[@abitour]

But two subs would kill my wallet

[@PeterPee]

It killed mine long ago.

[@michael-4k4000]

I need 4 subs minimum 😤