How to Play Claw for Melee or Ultimate (Or Any Smash Game) - Tutorial

[@abandonedprogram9391]

we all know the best way to play is with the resident evil 4 chainsaw controller

[@opgoat6613]

Dk bongos my dude

[@lucky-mn3gm]

@IfICouldAnimate Pokeball plus

[@weaver7683]

AbandonedProgram wii nunchuck, without the wiimote

[@glitchz1]

Ive actually played with it. Its not bad.

[@oldchannel1165]

Atari 2600 joystick

[@kfoley275]

If you wanna learn claw grip on a pro controller, I recommend rebinding X and Y to attack and special respectively and binding one of the Z buttons to jump. Makes it easier to do stuff for me

[@SmilePecoSmile]

Claw is something I've always found necessary in Melee. I don't understand how people can do drifting FC aerials as Peach or attacking from ledge with anyone else without it.

[@zenithSSBM]

ik man! i cant imagine how quick your thumb has to move for like a ledgedash upsmash, shine bair (assuming no tap jump), or any Peach FC stuff. lol my thumb hurts just thinking about it. i assume Fox players have to use tap jump for jump cancel upsmash? unless they use up and A to up smash. idk but claw makes those things simpler for me personally too! i believe Armada dosent use claw and hes probably the fastest in the world with FC aerials tho so i guess there is a way haha

[@R0XX0]

As a Peach main in Melee, I do semi-claw. Most of the time my right index finger is on z, but I use the same finger for many of her techs so my thumb is free for the c-stick for easy float-canceled arial attacks.

[@___i3ambi126]

I Am God? - to float cancel with peach you have to hold t Down the jump button while inputting the areal. So retreating FC fairs and similar things are actually impossible with claw and you just have to minimize the time you are inputting forward so that you can use the a button instead of the c-stick. Claw is helpful for every character, but Peach definitely benefits from it the most

[@___i3ambi126]

Ikr? But apparently Armada does it somehow.

[@TDRR_Gamez]

Maybe by using the Z button instead of the C-Stick?

[@rampagegage2259]

In breath of the wild, I'll sometimes shift my hand into the claw grip so that I can control the camera and sprint at the same time

[@token4846]

Lmao same

[@michelefolli4132]

I use it for the whistle run but with the left hand

[@jartravious]

One thing that might be worth adding about the differences between claw and standard grip is that you only have one finger on the right hand providing support/stability for the controller on the right side instead of three with the standard grip. Especially since it is the pinky finger, it is really important to make sure you have correct posture and hold the controller level instead of tilted up or down. I also recommend doing finger/tendon strength exercises to strengthen your fingers and be able to support the controller better. Keep up the good videos man

[@zenithSSBM]

for sure! above all else being in a comfortable position will prevent strain on your hands in the long term. i actually realized with my grip (where my left hand's bottom 3 fingers are resting on the bottom of the controller and my right hand only has a pinky finger resting) i actually have my controller tilted toward the left as i play putting almost all the weight of the controller on my left hand. playing level will also do good so i completely agree with you there. with finger exercises too! i looked up some finger stretches for people who type a lot and/or play on a controller on KZbin and its helped a lot. thanks for the kind words as well! trying to put my best content/info out there!

[@RFunk195]

Wow, I had always thought lefty claw was a niche thing for me, but it's actually a real thing used by some players. I always grip controllers with my middle and index fingers resting on the top triggers and buttons, and since there was no left Z button, I started to use my index for the stick when playing Smash. It helped me be a lot more stable with horizontal movement like dashdancing and allowed me to push down with my index instead of pulling with my thumb.

[@FigureFarter]

3 years later theres double claw

[@maxnul]

Literally changed my life, always used it to do a double laser but I was a regular grip for a long time but never thought about a hybrid form that could help me feel more comfortable and play efficient at the same time, never again because with hax$ video about frame1 attacks, best results come from the grip I already do double lasers with!!

[@TurbinationE]

Jesus Christ dude. How does having that much of a gap between your pinkie and ring finger not kill your hand? I'm learning the same grip style as you, but I'm resting my controller on my leg so I can move my pinkie up.

[@hiX0N]

just hold it with your left hand it isnt thay heavy lol

[@femmefatality_]

Claw feels natural to me. I used it in Mario Kart Wii when using the GameCube controller or Classic Controller pro because the trick button was the d-pad. For GameCube, I used middle finger on L, index on the analog stick and thumb on the d-pad. When playing SSBU, I did initially had a jump button on L (because tap jump off is optimal). However, I didn't like using the d-pad for shield if I wanted to shield tilt. Shield tilt was easier with it being on L+R so I ended using claw (the way you do it). I might just switch to Pro Controller for SSBU if I wanted another shoulder button.

[@matthewthompson6455]

There’s so many unused buttons on the GameCube controller and mkwik chose to make d pad trick 😭😭😭 still bugs me 15 years later

[@thesparrow1116]

I started using the claw grip back when I first played Dark Souls so I can run with circle and move the camera at the same time when I died in a level several times and wanted to just speedrun through it from frustration, so I was more used to it than most new Smashers. Still hurts the shit out of my index finger though.

[@savibb9830]

Gianluca Tartaro do you use index to press all buttons

[@wifibox2175]

Same my index finger hurts sometimes because I have been playing claw for a long time now I think I should get foot pedals

[@blurpletin659]

I used this video a few months ago and I've fully learned claw. Thank you

[@HectorGonzalez-qx9nk]

Guess that's one thing Brawl, PM, and Smash 4 have over Melee. Changing button configurations. A good amount of tech could be much easier on the hands if commands could be changed in Melee.

[@Non-disjunction]

Bru hit would be so nice to have short hop on y and full hop on x

[@swozzlesticks3068]

@@Non-disjunction I never thought about this but now that I have I will never be the same again.

[@swozzlesticks3068]

It's like when starcraft 2 came out and had movable hotkeys. i thought "wait holy shit what if brood war had this" but accepted that it would never happen.... But then remastered came out and I have custom hotkeys and i do a fucking coom. With the community's increasing amicability to changing the game (UCF, B0XX being legal, freezing stadium) it could very well be in the future

[@ShinyArjunSingh]

wow man, made my life... nice one, subscribed...keep'em comin...

[@yazanalibrahim3476]

Wow you cover this topic very well. Thank you! You just got a sub my boi.

[@zenithSSBM]

Glad it helped! Thanks for the kind words friend!

[@MikeLenczewski]

My only concern would be short hopping with Y with my index finger positioned like that. I currently use standard grip and X for jump, sliding my thumb off the bottom of X to short hop really easily. Have you found short hopping with claw grip difficult?

[@zenithSSBM]

not at all! its the way i do it! and grips are all preference so there really is no "wrong" grip (except one that hurts your hands) it just takes time to get used to like in learning anything new!

[@flowerpower8584]

I actually find short hopping much easier in claw. I play Ultimate, and while I'm still in the process of switching, I was forced to do the 2 buttons to short hop, since I couldn't flick my thumb properly, but with claw, it's much easier and I can have my left trigger bound to Special so I can wavebounce easier.

[@savibb9830]

SquirrellyTV do you play claw the same way he does?

[@felixyu4979]

I rest my finger sideways on y and slide it off while pushing down in order to short hop. I actually find it harder to do full hops quickly

[@Theredstar2478]

@@felixyu4979 yes this is how you do it, less of pressing and more of sliding your finger up the button, and some rare GameCube controllers have a different rubber pad that doesn’t require you to press down the button as much as others, they were like the final prototype controllers, I got one it’s super nice

[@chickenbob562]

nice guide thanks for showing

[@Aflay1]

Time to begin my Smash Ultimate training arc.

[@lewisbirkett4428]

Might try it. It's possible but hard to do instant aerials with standard but using different fingers for z and r they feel too weak

[@YUQI____]

thanks for guide ultimate will be my first smash/console game

[@KnishG]

finally taking the plunge. missing too many fox jc upsmashes. now to learn how to do everything else again

[@jacobmock6682]

My hands are huge so I can place the second knuckle on my thumb on the C-stick and the first knuckle of my thumb between the A and B button and I can roll my thumb to the X and Y button. I love having huge hands

[@zenithSSBM]

lol nice, can you multishine easy by rolling your thumb that way?

[@erereerere802]

zenith SSBM legend has it, zenith is still waiting to know if he can multishine that way

[@theoneuntoldundone]

Still watching & waiting..

[@Milr._jpg]

Weird flex but ok

[@scythescythe884]

I do that with joycons...

[@DarianWade]

my brothers always thought it was weird that i held a gamecube/xbox controller like this. didnt know it was a common thing for melee

[@kailynx2295]

I play Ult and melee and claw actually helps me kill 2 birds with one stone. I started as a smash 4 (competitively at least) player where I was able to customize my controls and used Z-jump so I could could have access to instant aerials by leaving my thumb on the C-Stick. When I started picking up melee I found the lack of custom controls rather hindering at first but once I picked up claw it not only gave the same functionality as my Ultimate controls, but it helps keep my muscle memory seperate for each game as I grip the controller different and I even use the same dedicated finger for my jump button despite it being a different button which made it feel very natural to pick up

[@NitemareFPS]

I bought a scuf then learned to claw... R.I.P.

[@zenithSSBM]

lol i did the same years ago playing Call of Duty

[@RealCraftspirit]

I just tried it and damn Its way more convenient than the normal grip for melee/ultimate It avoids alor of miss imputs plus it allows for way more tight imputs. And it was my first time using this grip Plus I played Geometry Dash in a really serious matter, completing really hard levels, on mobile and on PC. So my right thumb and right index are used to make really precise clicks, but not at all to move around really quickly, leading me to alot of precise and quick button clicks, but alot of miss imputs during imput strings due to my thumb needing to travel quickly. Now this grip assigns fingers to a series of button instead of letting one thumb doing most of the job, which helps me waaay more. Thank you so much for the advice

[@soypaolo5005]

I use a double claw grip (not sure if that's what you call it), meaning I use an index finger and a thumb for the left joystick.

[@heathc148]

Why?

[@avi4767]

Sold my wii u for my switch, and i haven't played smash in ober a year, i can't wait for ultimate and get back into comp

[@fr3ak1shh]

For anyone considering switching to claw for Melee, I'm going to provide some input that not a lot of people talk about! First of all, I recommend it. Here are some points of interest: 1. Is it harder to short-hop? Yes, especially at first, but also objectively overall. 3 frame jump squat characters like fox, sheik, icies, etc are going to be difficult at first. The index finger simply isn't as strong or fast as the massive muscle in your thumb. However, with proper practice, you will still be able to short hop consistently, so just keep at it. 2. Are instant short hop aerials faster? Not really. People don't think about it, but hitting a button with your index finger and then your thumb QUICKLY is arguably just as difficult as hitting both with your thumb. There are a lot of muscles in the hand that work on both of those inputs - they're not completely isolated. For instant fair short hop aerials, using A will still be faster than c-stick, even with the dedicated thumb. I find that instant full hop aerials are easier though, because you can keep your finger on the jump button while you hit the A/c-stick. 3. What about techniques like multi-shine/SHDL, can you do these with claw? Yes, but not as consistently unfortunately. Multishine is do-able using your index on jump and thumb on B, but doing many in row will be incredibly difficult because it uses way more muscles in your hand. You will find it more consistent to slide from jump to B for both multishine and SHDL. You can actually slide with your index finger from jump to B in much the same way you would do with your thumb. If your finger sticks too much and it feels difficult to slide, put some superglue on your index finger, let it dry, and it creates a super slippery coating that lets you get used to the motion. I will say that fox and falco get less of claw compared to other characters though, as they're really the only characters I can think of where there are tradeoffs. 4. Does this make playing Peach easier? Absolutely, instance float cancel up-air is so much more precise with claw. 5. Does this help with Marth short hop double fair? Yup, lets you drift back while doing it as well. 6. Can you still easily use your thumb on A while using claw grip? Yes, you don't even have to use the c-stick with claw grip. Of course I recommend using it in a lot of situations, but if you primarily prefer using A + analog for aerials/tilts, you can absolutely continue to use that with claw. It's nice because on the ground if you get stuck in lag and miss your jump, sometimes throwing out a tilt (using A + analog) is better than throwing out a smash attack (using c-stick). But that depends on the character and situation, and with practice you shouldn't be getting stuck in lag so much anyways. But not everybody plays at a super high level. 7. Will this make double jump up-airs easier (especially with Fox)? Yeah, makes it super easy to get the up air out fast while still giving you full control of drift. I think those are the main points. Claw is great! Not really any downsides unless you play Fox/Falco, and as long as you find it comfortable. Take it easy at first, as any new form can put strain on your hand if you're not used to it. I personally wouldn't even play this game if I couldn't do claw, just feels too awkward and uncomfortable with some characters, or I feel like I lack good control of drift.

[@mrmoth3914]

Claw is way to hard to get used to for me but i have to get it done some day

[@MsEconway]

i been knew how to hold it i just typed it in for no resone

[@evergreatest1731]

Wow! I tried claw grip for the first time and I can’t believe how fast and easy it was for my character to move and tilt. This changed my smash bros sweating to whole new level. Thanks so much 🫡😂

[@jakezepeda1267]

Used claw sometimes in Dark Souls and Borderlands 2, turns out its great for my stupid baby hands when playing smash.

[@StevenEugene91]

super informative.

[@zenithSSBM]

thanks :)

[@masterofcards3290]

Hey I don't know if you still look at the comments of old videos, but I wanted to ask if you use z for grab and R for shield with your grip and if yes, what do you use L for? And if I wouldnt be comfortable using your variation of the claw grip and use the 'standard grip' would u use the middle finger to press R to shield or just go with L? I hope u understand the question and can help me out. Cheers, great vid

[@sadielfernandez2961]

How could u short hop consistently using this grip?

[@zenithSSBM]

like many new things you get used to it after practice! just dont rush it and practice in training or against easy bots and go up from there

[@sadielfernandez2961]

zenith SSBM ok thanks!

[@Luna-ct9oq]

You only get hand pain at the beginning. After a while, your hands get used to the claw grip.

[@shotarcherz1690]

I wanna see claw gameplay lol

[@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx]

Me while watching the video: Claw grip? this guy is insane. How can I ever get better at playing like that Me one week later with practice: I AM A GOD!!

[@Eden91590]

This is how I've been playing for a while because I could not get quick Ariel attacks out as fox but now my short hopping is inconsistent even though I've been playing like this forever qq

[@liamplqys]

I play claw for Call of Duty lol

[@52298datoyo]

LiamPlqys Claw of Duty

[@juliwomp]

La Comentarista this was funnier than it was supposed to be 😂😂😂

[@AmeButCool]

@@52298datoyo Damn I was going to say that.

[@thefogiscoming00]

LiamPlqys same

[@mariogamer2102]

Instructions unclear, both my arms fell off

[@weegeewegee639]

Claw grip is just uncomfortable for us who play smash mainly with items lol

[@trip3107]

I prefer the standard grip but this video was still really intersting!

[@Zurg_]

I find it helpful to set B to attack and L to special and use tilt stick when using claw in smash 4. You only need to move from C stick to b to smash attack and specials can be done without moving your right hand at all

[@jaidcz9068]

This video is more focused towards melee and you can't change button configurations in that game.

[@EndiXIV]

I just set left trigger to jump and z to grab Not only does it help with doing faster aerials, but it also makes shorthopping easier FYI I’ve only played Sm4sh seriously so I’m used to being able to change my controls, not sure if you can change them in Melee

[@thefogiscoming00]

My hand just defaulted to clawing in COD over time which led to me clawing for every game

[@shiluc9134]

Coming back to learn claw for Ultimate

[@toxronin3971]

EnderIsGone but you can change your control set up

[@shiluc9134]

1 month later and I got claw down hooray

[@savibb9830]

@@shiluc9134 what fingers do you have on Z and R

[@AIR8022]

Is it at all possible to attach some kind of strap to the right hand wrist to help hold up the controller? I've found it to be difficult to hold up the right side with only the pinky.

[@Gash3d]

how do you fast hop consistently with claw that shit is so hard

[@reika542]

I've always found it slow to do a short hop a delayed aerial using stock grip.

[@chickenbob562]

i like claw grip but i feel that my right index finger is still slower and weaker than my thumb

[@stephaniecurry45]

same, there's definitely pro and cons

[@mathewchubey7471]

What do I preset to the c stick? I'm new to game cube controllers:)

[@omni9387]

Tilt Attack is generally the best

[@flyinhigh7681]

Just learning claw for ultimate, finally turning off tap jump lol, my claw grip involves index on y, middle on z and ring on r, but then my pinkie has trouble supporting the right side of the controller. Any tips?

[@zenithSSBM]

just make sure your hand is not tense and even if it feels odd (not painful though) keep at it! keep you pinkie centered on the controller handle too

[@flyinhigh7681]

@@zenithSSBM thanks dude!

[@AquaHedgehog]

I actually did claw for Dark Souls

[@mcbill7352]

Same.

[@MDHDH-iy7nm]

i use a modified claw grip because my hands are smaller, my index finger, middle finger have their faces loosely resting on Y and Z; thumb for c-stick, A, B and L for shield

[@sirhawkjames]

we wavedashin with L or R here

[@kudogio3972]

If you press the Z button in the air it does aerials. So I use Z to do instant aerials instead of using claw.

[@u5b689]

How do you have the fire emblem logo on your controller?

[@zenithSSBM]

its a decal sold by TwinnyShoppe!

[@jaidcz9068]

I play with the atari 2600 controller. And idk why ppl call me weird or a hacker when they see me use it, cuz when I, for example, down throw and forward air, ppl get bamboozled and idek why. And then when I switch to claw grip they have a seizure and I win.

[@really_username]

Imma learn how to play claw on GameCube controller for Legend of Zelda ocarina of time and Majora’s mask

[@SourSalty]

I learnd dual claw using brawl and wii remote + nunchuk ... It helps because you want to have a finger on both triggers of the nunchuk

[@SourSalty]

Your also forced to use claw on the remote to jump

[@SourSalty]

Attack and special

[@SourSalty]

Tho I am still used to use a gamecube controller to play more seriously

[@xera5196]

Kinda interesting because I just started a few weeks ago and played claw almost immediately. Natural for me I guess, moving thumb felt awkward.

[@shiiiguthewise6778]

It's going to be hard to adapt to claw... Although It'll be easier to access buttons though, right?

[@ericbloodsmith5161]

In your version of the claw grip the thumb uses A,B and C-stick. The index finger uses X and Y. The middle finger uses Z. The ring finger uses R-trigger.

[@piddlingpick5964]

My only issue is getting used to my middle finger shielding, other than that though, it's great!

[@ViridianSSB]

found this really helpful but I still have a question. in smash 4 if you’re using tilt stick, when do you use it to attack in comparison with the A button? Is the A button even useful anymore? In what scenarios? Thanks :)

[@LendinSwiftbolt]

I don't use tilt stick, but my friend does (uses stock grip though). The A button is useful since you NEED it for Smash attacks with Tilt stick and he uses Tilt stick mostly for aerials due to some landing lag issue with Smash stick. I personally use Smash stick and I need A for tilts, of course (I use a sort of modified stock grip instead of claw). Also, it's not easy or maybe even possible to use jab on tilt stick if I'm remembering right.

[@ViridianSSB]

Lendin Swiftbolt so tilt stick is meant to be used for aerials and tilts then? thanks :) also how does your friend play tilt stick with a stock grip?

[@zenithSSBM]

Im sorry man, Im not the most versed in Smash 4 and dont use tilt stick but I can tell you I use A for jabs, charging smash attacks, and nair!

[@ViridianSSB]

zenith SSBM thanks so much for the help :)

[@carsonhopfe7186]

I naturally have played games using a claw grip since I was a child. If you’re not using a claw grip you’re at a disadvantage. You’re using my fingers so you will be faster and have my range

[@luisdecenciere]

I have tried to learn the claw grip several times but I fail every time because I can't do precise inputs with my index fingers sideways like that. How do you short hop like that ? I have the dexterity when using the pulp of my fingers (the "inside") but not the sides. Is it just training or am I doing something wrong ?

[@Kenny2100vn]

So can you update on hand pain issues? Does years of playing claw wear on your hands?

[@Esquites.-]

Yes it will make your hands fall off after 3.7 years of playing

[@zenithSSBM]

No hand pain issues ever contributed by claw! Any hand pain Ive ever had was on my left hand (not claw) coming from doing things on the analog stick

[@viridian8853]

How good do you feel your ability to move between jump buttons is? Looks like the tutorial is assuming both are still jump buttons and you're just pressing your whole finger down on both, but idk. Smash4 Peach likes having Y shield for shorthop airdodge, so I do use both jump buttons

[@___i3ambi126]

Viridian Games- I use claw and always use Y. Pressing X is doable, but more awkward. Pressing one, doesn't make you accidentally press the other (It's because you learn the finger forward to press y and to the right to press x. So you can press them in fast succession, but they movements don't overlap)

[@zenithSSBM]

it was assuming button layout stays stock just bc for the most part it was supposed to focus on the grip itself and i couldnt go over all possible custom button layouts, and i do find pressing x with claw a bit more awkward than y but like I3ambi said, doable. the grip might not work as well with the layout you described unfortunately though :( unless you shift over a finger or have shorter fingers to begin with?

[@viridian8853]

zenith SSBM yeah, I don't think it'll work well either. That's ok. I was just interested in claw, but not dead set on making it happen. It does seem very nice with default controls. If I were to do your method with the 2nd finger up I might not need the y shield to do it quickly as my finger would always be on shield... I might try to learn it, idk

[@___i3ambi126]

Viridian Games- Just set Z to jump. And set other things (like grab and shield) to y and x. It's functionally Claw without changing how you hold the controller

[@izsubs316]

Hey zenith what’s your opinion on buying a stock controller then buying custom buttons vs buying a totally custom controller? Also I don’t know if you remember me but I asked if you were Korean a while ago and you said like annyeong I think so hi again!

[@zenithSSBM]

depends all on budget and how much you want to customize! having a decked out shell is super nice but also like 5x the price (sometimes) for just getting buttons so it depends on how much it is worth it for you! Thats for aesthetics, but if you want performance upgrades battle beaver customs offers those. (Things like snapback reduction) which may be worth it if you want that edge

[@zenithSSBM]

and I do remember lol

[@izsubs316]

Oh okay thanks for the help! I appreciate it and I’ve actually been studying Japanese for over a year now and I’m actually gonna go to college there late next year and try to learn korean once I’ve mastered Japanese and I mean I know a little korean but not enough to get by.

[@zenithSSBM]

sick dude, good luck on the studies! korean is fun to learn, really small alphabet

[@KuroShiiiiro]

I really wanna try it, but I've never even used it like that. Would playing games like shooters in that form help me get comfortable faster? Also, would it be smart to let the thumb just cover C Stick and B, with my index controlling A instead?

[@HoboJoe007]

Could be because I've never played high-level melee, but what is the benefit of using the c-stick for ariels rather than the control stick+A?

[@argonaww]

Inputting aerials while drifting. If i wanted to do a back air while moving forward, I wouldn't have to flick my control stick back to perform the back air.

[@jblurey2581]

I L-cancel with Z button as well as grab on stock grip. If I were to claw, would i use my middle finger to l-cancel on Z?

[@viridian8853]

With the first thing you talk about ("instant" aerials) can't you just double stick? Does that not work the same in melee (cstick right after analog forces shorthop aerial even when doing fullhop input)?

[@sumireneso5341]

Viridian Games no you can't as melee doesn't have the same buffer system as brawl so you can't buffer an aerial out of jumpsquat

[@quintonlich]

I put my thumb on the abxy buttons and my pointer finger on the c stick

[@lootziedoodle]

how

[@snuuuz]

How tf do you do that

[@metalsky851]

Did you make that marth sticker on your controller?!

[@zenithSSBM]

nope, i went to a tournament and one of the vendors gave it to me for free! nice people lol i believe this is their etsy shop page for the decals if you want! "TwinnyShoppe"

[@babyquakes]

how tf u press the y button? u snip ur fingers like scissors?

[@elijiah4631]

Genuine question. If the instant fairs with marth or uairs with falcon or whatever is too hard with stock grip, why didn't you just start using tap jump

[@___i3ambi126]

Eight Ball- my guess. And why I didn't. Cause most players find tap jump inconsistent to use as an actual jump. Especially picking between short hops and full hops. But if you want a non-opinion based reason. You can do instant perfect retreating fairs with claw and not with tap jump.

[@zenithSSBM]

-just building off what he said yea its all preference. i think tap jump is just not the way most people learned the game with so it feels weird to most. hbox learned melee with tap jump and still uses it today so its more than viable lol just most people (myself included) find it really awkward

[@GoldsCovers]

Is it strange that I never use C-stick? Ive always used A, and it does have its downfalls but I suck at switching to something im not used to

[@zenithSSBM]

everything new takes time! nothing wrong with your way, its all preference!

[@GoldsCovers]

Good thing all I need is U-tilt ;)))

[@sesh517]

Ganondorf even if you "suck" at changing, you will eventually adapt and it will feel second nature

[@TAEYYO]

Using cheese-stick is shameful in my crowd. Only exceptions are for grandparents or little kids--cheese-stick was made for them.

[@homeskillet420]

In your opinion, what 3rd party company do you think makes the best gc controller?

[@zenithSSBM]

Hori. Other than that nothing, I recommend really just sticking with official Nintendo controllers though!

[@jaidcz9068]

Sega

[@sydeeffect2]

How do you think the lefty claw should be used?

[@zenithSSBM]

Neal R sorry youtube has been really bad in not showing me notifications for comments lately, for lefty claw players usualy use their left index finger also on the control stick to aid with movement particularly moving down i assume for better wavedashes, movement, etc. (same 'trick' with right hand in vid also works with left - at least from what ive tried!)

[@normalhuman78-53]

Honestly, I’ve been trying with claw for about a week now and nothing really works out for me. Whenever I do it for more than an hour my fingers are just DEAD

[@zenithSSBM]

perhaps you are gripping too hard down on the controller? claw takes time to learn and it really is one of those things that feel awful until it all clicks at once one day!

[@normalhuman78-53]

zenith SSBM thanks for the tips! I’ll try and follow them because I’m trying to get into competitive smash

[@lordxicor3247]

I tried to claw but it's like I have relearn the entire game. I've played a modified stock grip for years. Any tips on how I could help this?

[@zenithSSBM]

the worst it feels is at the start, if claw is something you want def just grind through the first 1-2 weeks of just using claw and dont give up no matter how weird it feels (unless it gets painful-in which case you might be gripping wrong/too tight/etc.) it will click and things like accidental full hops will go away. i found playing Marth while transitioning grips very helpful since things like instant jump fairing are good practice for getting used to the grip. his wavedash and short hops also more forgiving for people starting claw!

[@lordxicor3247]

zenith SSBM thanks but I dunno if this grip is for me. I'll keep trying tho, thanks!

[@ChukfullLuck]

if you claw grip , how can you short hop ? i mean it is really difficult to control the power of your index finger while being sideways

[@zenithSSBM]

easily! or just as easy as with a stock grip! it is weird in the beginning but just alike doing everything new, after just playing with it for weeks it will come easily, just stay with it and dont be afraid if it feels weird at the start

[@HystericalHuntress]

For any game that's not Melee, I find Z Jump to make a ton more sense than Claw Gripping the controller and is far more comfortable. In Melee, however, I basically have to go claw some times to pull certain shit off.. especially with my main Falcon. Also why bother with using your ring finger to shield using R-Trigger when your left index is free to L-Cancel, Shield and etc. with L-Trigger..?

[@benjis2002]

How do you make the raised tape r trigger?

[@franciscoapolinar3546]

Would the claw also work with the pro controller?

[@hi-qb1fz]

Francisco Apolinar yes but it’s a bit harder

[@franciscoapolinar3546]

@@hi-qb1fz alright thx

[@gamrage]

I think the first time I ever claw gripped a controller was for Tekken.

[@zelano1049]

Ah shit, here we go again

[@PillarGodPyro]

My pinkie hurts any tips?

[@Nightmareiiz]

Should I play claw if I main falco? I just got into Melee because ssb4 was boring and not as hype

[@williamborough1576]

KamiiuTv I co-main fox and I find that playing claw is good for doing aerials out of shine, doing a shine grab, or wave shining

[@RPTRxCrosshairs]

KamiiuTv I'm a Fox main and I find stock better tbh. I find myself using c-stick kind of rarely. Only for rising Bair out of falling shine etc. You might like it for short hop out shine into aerials.

[@___i3ambi126]

If you are just starting out and not used to a control setup, yes. Unless you plan to become a top level, hyper technical fox (which is how you get hand pains with this control setup), Claw is just better in every way. But if you are already significantly used to, and have learned tech on the stock grip. It's not so much better that it's worth starting over. Just switch briefly to claw for the specific techs that it really helps with.

[@maxislas3141]

Ive been playing claw since MW2 now I'm trying it on Melee

[@auto._]

For some reason this position came natural to me when I put my middle finger on z and my ring on r

[@matz8433]

I feel like short hopping with claw is super hard

[@-king-1230]

Somewhere out there there's someone playing fortnight with GC controller claw grip

[@ProfessionalNoob123xyd]

How would you short hop with the claw grip?

[@zenithSSBM]

wit your index finger, using Y is the easiest for me

[@ShadowFlyAJ]

i'm curious, does it matter if i put my middle finger on z or what

[@zenithSSBM]

you can grip it however youd like i just think middle finger on z makes the most sense with claw. what set up are you currently using?

[@Rio-483]

How do I do a neutral air? It’s kinda weird.

[@zenithSSBM]

while airborne, press A without inputting and direction into the control stick

[@chocolatemilkreal]

Does this work for brawl?