Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? edit: just joined a DM server and it was full of bots gg
@OptimusPineCone3 ай бұрын
no
@MinnowTF3 ай бұрын
Your mom 😎😎😎😎😎😎
@OptimusPineCone3 ай бұрын
nvm you told me in the video
@shortkid85993 ай бұрын
I was crazy once
@stonefist3 ай бұрын
Casual games always full of just 6 plays for me gg dead game
@blikthepro9723 ай бұрын
valve is in this weird spot where their own fans are screaming at them for doing nothing, while outsiders praise them for doing nothing
@Chanchan-hf4px3 ай бұрын
Subtick on paper: We solved online gaming Subtick in reality: Die behind walls
@Bolt4513 ай бұрын
@@Chanchan-hf4pxwe made it too accurate is prob the best summary
@jarnobrock3 ай бұрын
@@Chanchan-hf4px if you and your enemy has 0 ping you would not die behind a wall so if your enemy has 60 ping and he shoots you before you move behind a wall you will die behind the wall its just an annoyance for you
@iamn00b_S023 ай бұрын
you still can't swin in cs2 at 2024
@Scyborg8323 ай бұрын
@@iamn00b_S02why the fuck would swimming be allowed? This isnt cod or bf
@px83 ай бұрын
-real players, +chinese bots Where's my damn de_lake??? 😞
@suchy81503 ай бұрын
i feel like ive been on a "bring back de_lake schizo" arc since cs2 released
@px83 ай бұрын
@@suchy8150 Nah but for real. It was the only map me and my best mate played. He literally hasn't launched CS2 since 2023 because they haven't added it back. =(
@suchy81503 ай бұрын
@@px8 same but slightly less strict in my case
@Miwles3 ай бұрын
@@px8 we saw a remake of it in one of the trailers I think. maybe we get it back for wingman or arms race or something...? I miss war games so much
@bearzy_23 ай бұрын
Fr
@-envixty3 ай бұрын
4:58 "Optic India was only caught because the tournament organizers didn't accept google play gift cards" 🤣
@raynfall77_693 ай бұрын
Absolutely wild 😂
@mohawkjoe643 ай бұрын
You know... it's all making sense now 😂😂😂
@nickevershedmusic89273 ай бұрын
Hahahahaha
@3Black.1Red2 ай бұрын
*"NO DON'T REDEEM IT!!!111"*
@ledderfayes2 ай бұрын
There's a video by Scam Sandwich that reveals a certain call center playing CS 1.6 after a long day of scamming vulnerable people
@philh48203 ай бұрын
volvo is really just doing its own thing, but not in a good way
@yo_its_gingey53293 ай бұрын
Car good 👍
@Jakaj993 ай бұрын
don't offend good car manufacturer by calling gaben company volvo :D
@mregal12483 ай бұрын
Cause it’s Chinese geely now
@kiweeeeeeeee47793 ай бұрын
flying scoutsman was the best gamemode cant even have fun anymore
@mrflavio903 ай бұрын
Boring as fuuuack. Back in css we played scoutknifez + rpg mode. 1vs1 duell in ct spawn. Best times having fun + gain skill with it. Csgo was already a dead community
@DaisiesTC3 ай бұрын
It was kinda fun but nobody played it after like the first year it got added lmfao. Just like every other side-mode outside of deathmatch and retakes.
@Miwles3 ай бұрын
Can't even have flying scoutsman anymore. because of woke
@anilchandra6173 ай бұрын
@@DaisiesTC idk where you are from, but here in India, I made a ton of Steam friends by just playing FS. It is soooo fun. You see people having insane no scope ability, insane reflexes, movement skills and casual banter. I miss CS:GO
@DeathProof1323 ай бұрын
Arms Race was fun too, I played a ton of both is CS:GO. Had all the achievements for those alternate game modes...which they erased too of course -.-
@ItsKevin1833 ай бұрын
- Add csgo maps - Fix anticheat - New operation - Add csgo gamemodes - Add new gamemodes - Add clan tags - Fix community servers - More cases - Fix hitboxes+ tick system - Listen to community
@yegfuf3 ай бұрын
- Wake up
@n3m13372 ай бұрын
Crazy to think that half of that can be done within a SINGLE week
@ItsKevin1832 ай бұрын
@@n3m1337 True, but instead they'd rather do nothing and get rich sleeping :/
@1jayzed63621 күн бұрын
@@n3m1337 so considering youre a professional game developer yourself. Explain the workflow of achieving this in a single week
@jello_590311 күн бұрын
-readd map specific factions (this game lost its character)
@Virtahep03 ай бұрын
"But always remember, it could be worse. We could be Team Fortress 2."
@atsizbalik3 ай бұрын
at least they fixed the bot problem tf2 had... for now
@ILoveforGames3 ай бұрын
Ah yes, the warowl quote
@HappyBirthdayMrPresident3 ай бұрын
Team FORTESS 2 = whole game exist and still supported. Recently fixed the bot issues CS2 = 30% of CSGO and full off issues, barely getting any updates Pick one
@ILoveforGames3 ай бұрын
@@HappyBirthdayMrPresident it took 2 protests in tf2 for valve to do anything. I wonder if cs will need to do the same
@HappyBirthdayMrPresident3 ай бұрын
@@ILoveforGames Whole CS SCENE in protest mode since CS2 has released. What would you do if valve just removes 70% from TF2 and go to hibernation?
@r3all1f323 ай бұрын
Should've been a 30 second video tutorial on how to uninstall cs2
@MeridaDualThrust3 ай бұрын
Step 1: Don't.
@southernbrain6913 ай бұрын
Step 2. Go outside
@zombiekinggamer3 ай бұрын
@@southernbrain691 and play outside... irl???
@Noistisix3 ай бұрын
@@zombiekinggamer I always knew i should be a terrorist
@L0RDLUK3 ай бұрын
@SilloNorman Damn it, you beat me to it.
@zombiekinggamer3 ай бұрын
@@LeventK what do u mean
@t0ra1123 ай бұрын
That Far Cry 3 Sketch was perfectly use for this joke ass game, Well Done my Friend!
@Gritz11243 ай бұрын
This video is like returning to a street you crossed evreyday after not seeing it for years
@rdmoonie3 ай бұрын
Give me.... > Cache > 128 ticks > a functioning community server browser > tougher anticheat and I'll get right back to meatriding Valve
@mihalisv60362 ай бұрын
fuck cache just replace every map with office
@wibs0n68Ай бұрын
> Wait for FMPONE to finish it, he said next year > Never happen > Prob happen sooner or later. > I'm coping someday it happened.
@rdmoonieАй бұрын
@@wibs0n68 Valve should add a patch note for CS2, "Added Coping for a more smooth experience"
@Banus-Ай бұрын
I cannot with the rubber banding one time I got teleported and frozen 3 times in one fight
@jaepalm-alpha3 ай бұрын
Playing TF2 kinda feels like this right now. You could have said this video was just Team Fortress 2 with a lot of mods and I would have believed it. It is so unreal dying behind cover and in nonsensical circumstances, and the player deaths in this video can frequently be described as this: "Just shoot where they were standing a second ago, and it counts." Valve, why?
@jasonoosted50163 ай бұрын
its ironic that Valve turned to the competitive community for advice on their CASUAL game and we got a horrible update that changed the course of the game(Meet your Match), but now with a COMPETITIVE game like CS2 they won't acknowledge anything said from the competitive community.
@magicalframe94412 ай бұрын
TF2 came out in 2007. People didn't have nearly the Internet speeds of people have nowadays, hence all the interpolation and shit that allows spies to face stab you. All of that is meant to compensate for shitty 2007 internet. The difference is this game came out TODAY where most people's Internet is perfectly capable of very high tick rates and low latency. I would love an update to TF2s net code, but with how CS2 is going... I think I'll just take what we have.
@marcmorgan22173 ай бұрын
Yup, this video pretty much sums it all up. If only Valve had 6 minutes to listen to their community
@Creepus_Explodus3 ай бұрын
VAC sucks, but please don't promote kernel level anti-cheat as something even remotely viable. See Crowdstrike for why that is a very bad idea.
@DaisiesTC3 ай бұрын
Don't even have to look at that, you can look at other games that have used kernel level anti-cheats in the past. Genshin Impact had ransomware hijack their kernel anti-cheat and infest thousands of peoples computers. Apex Legends had an actual tournament where someone was able to piggyback off the anti-cheat to take control of multiple players systems and install cheats on them. At a live tournament. Lmfao. And that's not to mention the fact nobody really knows how effective Valorant's anti-cheat really is since there's no replay system. It's definitely better than CS2, that's a given. Rage hackers are rare. But it's pretty much impossible to gauge how many people are walling, soft-locking, or using trigger bots without a replay system. And Valorant definitely still has a cheater problem regardless of what anyone says. It being not as bad doesn't mean its still not bad. Just look up Unity Research's video on the topic for more info.
@nathaaaaaa3 ай бұрын
this
@dumbfloppa3 ай бұрын
YES
@skinnybuggo3 ай бұрын
@@DaisiesTCwdym therr's no replay system
@ANDR0iD3 ай бұрын
yea, but the difference is that crowdstrike has some business running in kernel mode. Same thing can't be said about a video game anti-cheat.
@unfa003 ай бұрын
No gambling ads in the video, woo!
@Malxer3 ай бұрын
Truly a weird sighting in the CS community
@overdark333 ай бұрын
Most of my playtime in csgo is from demolition. I think I played maybe 20 mins of cs2. Won't touch it again until it's back, even if that's never.
@tappajaav3 ай бұрын
In the later years of CSGO I grew fond of DangerZone. Sadly never managed to reach Howling Alpha =P
@AwesomeIan1353 ай бұрын
Honestly I have only ever played demolition for the missions during operations, but I respect that that gamemode was your jam. I don't understand why previously existing content wasn't included, my favorite map by far was cache and now it is gone.
@wibs0n68Ай бұрын
Sadly SEA has a bad case both in Demolition and DZ. Demolition is dead and DZ is infested with cheaters since players just exit the game when they die and rarely report (never found a DZ overwatch case).
@tappajaavАй бұрын
@@wibs0n68 I'm not even sure whether DZ was covered by overwatch. I'd assume no. Saw many many cheaters there. Maybe it's the solo nature of the gamemode that allowed cheaters to blatantly cheat...? As you couldn't chat freely(only through console command and not everyone knows about that), and there were no teammates forcing you to keep it non-obvious
@epicgamer7853 ай бұрын
All i want is to play the game but valve is making it really hard
@iNoToRiOuS3 ай бұрын
The painful life of a counter strike fan
@HappyBirthdayMrPresident3 ай бұрын
@@iNoToRiOuS Saying it in alex Jones voice " They wants to kill off tf2, dota 2 and CS2, and merge the playerbase into 1 game deadlock"
@Luka2000_3 ай бұрын
We need another r8 situation rn
@TahirTheProfessionalYapper3 ай бұрын
omg gordon freeman
@atsizbalik3 ай бұрын
@@TahirTheProfessionalYapper that's not freeman, he can't talk
@gabbyprincip15753 ай бұрын
@@atsizbalik freeman can't talk but he can probably type
@jasonblowie80123 ай бұрын
4:00 wow you still so skilled at these sfm animations This whole video is banger, too bad nothing will change with cs2
@balticbvll29873 ай бұрын
Give me back dangerzone and insertion 2 and ill look past everything
@PadreMinion3 ай бұрын
Brazil mentioned!
@SuperJacob-ur8mz25 күн бұрын
0:46 they also took away a good deathmatch mode and turned it into a ffa with terrible spawns
@furretthefuzzynoodle38963 ай бұрын
People keep telling me to git gud when I keep dying behind cover I FEEL VALIDATION!!!!!
@tappajaav3 ай бұрын
gitguder
@snowmaske3 ай бұрын
this game is so canonically underdeveloped for a game company like valve that cheaters can literally just fly across the map thanks to their new reworked movement system
@quoctridinh18853 ай бұрын
Valve ain't hiring a community manager, that's for sure. Such a unproductive job
@ziemniak0killl2513 ай бұрын
i honestly think that surprise updates are a very good thing, cause once you expect something and then it's meh, you are let down, while an update without a teaser or something is a nice surprise (wish there were more of those surprises rather than vertigo pixel gap fixes as a whole update)
@dullen28103 ай бұрын
hopefully it doesnt get the TF2 post jungle inferno treatment
@OnBean-qe1vf3 ай бұрын
The FC3 Vaas bit was SO good hahaha
@tataduzy42603 ай бұрын
In the new update you can get auto-kicked for jiggle peeking. In the past 10 hours i've been kicked 17 times.
@NeFreeX3 ай бұрын
you forgot clantags :c
@Micha-Hil3 ай бұрын
"How to play Counter Strike 2" Step 1: Don't. Reinstall Counter-Strike: Source, since at least they didn't fuck it over.
@Nomadnetic3 ай бұрын
Considering their focus seems to be on Deadlock right now, I doubt it will get any better.
@sskuk10952 ай бұрын
Oh when have they ever focussed on counter strike?
@Nomadnetic2 ай бұрын
@sskuk1095 I mean, we have had a continuous supply of Counter-Strike content for 25 years. So that's a bit of a loaded question.
@supperEisMan3 ай бұрын
Please release the insanity skit as short, it is a great clip to share
@Legpiter2 ай бұрын
Farcry 3 cut is perfect bro xD
@mrgubberlive16223 ай бұрын
thanks for telling me how to play! i’ve been wondering how to open the game!
@fastcs22 ай бұрын
this deserves so much more attention. great summary. I hope valve will change some day.
@berkaykaracan30033 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention the Michael Jackson Peek
@p_filippouz3 ай бұрын
Which is why i only tried cs2 once in release and abandoned it. All they had to do was literally just make the anticheat more effective and make servers 128 tick.
@pear_bear2 ай бұрын
i really miss the map factions from csgo
@JohnPsplashD3 ай бұрын
Literally such a difference in fun you can’t call cs2 : cs go
@DroopyLoops3 ай бұрын
Haha that definition of insanity bit was great
@not_sure_about_that_but2 ай бұрын
But they added a new music kit tho so we all good 👍
@fushineo3 ай бұрын
In CSGO when i got killed i blame my own skills In CS2 i got so tilted being killed because on my screen they can dink me 2 time while not even fully counter-strafe. i hate how dying behind wall became a norm to me
@alexmackey18473 ай бұрын
Love the return to form with the CS videos. Just as classic as the old ones.
@groundtank3 ай бұрын
If year 2 doesn't start with a bang I'm going to lose hope.
@samyoul97533 ай бұрын
The Vaas monologue was iconic
@WWizzy3 ай бұрын
Gotta love the SFM bits, Vaas Speech is a classic.
@aapplefry22963 ай бұрын
All the community maps we lost because they are on the old source…. Those coop missions, big sad
@fearofdeath3 ай бұрын
이제야 이 주제로 만들긴 했지만 사라진 컨텐츠들을 잘 말하는군
@arleneFPS3 ай бұрын
That's me on 2:34 !
@bleusealord3 ай бұрын
When you dedicate 4500 hours of your life playing a videogame and they make a sequel that's worse than the original, man it sucks Also I want cache back
@iNoToRiOuS I remember stumbling upon your content when I was an early to mid teen. I love the quick snappy style of humor in your videos, binged everything when I had the time and left because well I was a teen with too much time on my hands sometimes I have came back many years later, as a more than fully grown adult to say your video style is very recognizable to this day, not to say it is a good or bad thing that the videos haven't changed, but to say I am filled with bliss coming back to see I have the exact same feelings watching your new videos now, to when I watched your old videos for the first time. Thanks for sticking around and giving this slight specific and niche joy to people like me Life is tough for everyone and on a more personal note I hope you are doing alright. Thanks if you ever read.
@indolamine3 ай бұрын
Valves efforts towards the game is an never-ending cycle of "fixing issus" that create more issues in the process, which they then "fix" agian.
@VivoCubino3 ай бұрын
Honestly, played CS:GO only for Deathmatch and Danger Zone. DM is still there, but it's sad that Valve removed DZ
@Malxer3 ай бұрын
Theres no team deathmatch anymore and the spawn points are dogshit
@jasonblowie80123 ай бұрын
Counter strike 2 made me quit Counter Strike in general tbh i tried it for like 3 mins on matchmaking and 8 mins on the movement without bots This a real good vid matt
@subarulenz14703 ай бұрын
Same bro and when I complain the community basically said fk off to your gay a$$ valorant.
@Malxer3 ай бұрын
I miss factions andd gamemodes so badly
@Darkness_81633 ай бұрын
in addition to everything said in the video, i, as an owner of a low end pc, must say that they have absolutely killed the game's optimization during the year that it has existed. without adding almost any new content. that's... crazy to say the least
@TriggerStand3 ай бұрын
I had to quit and uninstall, switched to cs source.
@shaggielz3 ай бұрын
@@TriggerStandsource better imo
@wibs0n683 ай бұрын
People also complained the same thing even when csgo were released
@masakovske3 ай бұрын
>i, as an owner of a low end pc ???????
@daxtheducknotaffiliated3 ай бұрын
The last update bumped me from 100 fps at low settings with no fsr, to 233 fps (avg) with 110 fps 10% lows and 80 1% lows at high/medium settings with fsr set to quality. Before that, my 1% lows were at 33 fps. The reason I turned FSR on, was because earlier it did literally nothing for me, and now, for some unknown reason, it actually makes a difference, and I can turn anti-aliasing on. :) I'm happy. NOTE: this might have been a fedora linux or proton update, not CS, so take it with a grain of salt.
@Nerfyy3 ай бұрын
You can buy both m4s on ct side
@redamber4833 ай бұрын
in cs:go you couldn't buy both
@JazzyGazzy-nj8rn3 ай бұрын
i was just watching your other vids last night, real goat
@thezasw3 ай бұрын
Nice video bro. I am not playing cs2 as much I played csgo and it doesnt feels fun at all idk it is kinda off
@anonl587726 күн бұрын
Honestly, if you're using Windows over Linux, you don't have a right to complain about Valorant's "invasive" anticheat. Microsoft can already see all your files in exchange for absolutely nothing, so you might as well let the sketchy Chinese company do the same in exchange for being able to play a game with no cheaters.
@dtd32853 ай бұрын
Top 10 things to do in CS2 : 1. Uninstall
@Noistisix3 ай бұрын
But then you cant launch legacy csgo
@nsmthegamer3753 ай бұрын
@@Noistisix to play against bots? They removed the community server feature too, not only that, you can't even invite your friends to your lobby to play customs.. truly a disaster.
@Noistisix3 ай бұрын
@@nsmthegamer375 There are csgo revival projects and it was just a joke but you can still play it with friends, just on a custom server
@scxrcho25043 ай бұрын
5:55 so the gamba-bait video wasn't How to R8???
@thetreepin91543 ай бұрын
Your voice got deeper compared to 7 years ago lool, insane difference
@fearofdeath3 ай бұрын
게임의 가치있는 모든 컨텐츠가 사라졌어
@Malxer3 ай бұрын
Sad, but true, brother. Everyone should stop playing the game and wasting time and money into this 💩, money is the only language they understand
@GSTFCE3 ай бұрын
THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE VIDEO, WELL DONE
@A120AMIR123 ай бұрын
"Any other game dev team would have killed to have game like this" Exactly Like all these AAA studios release a live service game yearly hoping one of them survive. The emphasis is on SURVIVE not going viral They have the biggest IPs in the world and literally do not care
@mxrrow.2 ай бұрын
bro the animations are crazy
@DaneMaKeyev3 ай бұрын
I dont understand how people are hyping up and praising valves up and coming Deadlock when this us how they support their games
@xXbenjman3000Xx3 ай бұрын
Deadlock won't have a big playerbase some time after release
@Dipj013 ай бұрын
Valve bootlickers. They'll literally sell their mothers to Gaben if he asks
@parkeryamamoto-uo2ss3 ай бұрын
DO YOU WANT AN OBJECTIVELY WORST GAMPLAY EXPERIENSE ?@!#$?
@depressingNicolai-sv8ky3 ай бұрын
1. Press left mouse button on the cs2 in steam 2. Press delete
@southernbrain6913 ай бұрын
Dangerzone my beloved,where are you??
@mdestroyer10853 ай бұрын
valve will continue to not listen and keep working on deadlock
@Malxer3 ай бұрын
"Working"
@ledderfayesАй бұрын
I have faith Valve will finish up their current projects and get back to improving/updating this game in a timely manner. Hell, if a TF2 bot ban wave happened this year, anything is possible
@maciejrupinski33823 ай бұрын
Oh so valve doesn't ignore just tf2 but cs2 as well
@Hunter575883 ай бұрын
Saw the notification while playing cs2
@joshrudelic18602 ай бұрын
Was nice to see you on BF4.
@djblinboy3 ай бұрын
Wow, actually good looking HDR video.
@nihar02123 ай бұрын
That far cry 3 reference is 💯😂
@PritamDas-ts8cy3 ай бұрын
Oh the vass monologue I love it
@phlip_lip2 ай бұрын
Valve did learn from OW2 tho. Instead of releasing on a different plattform without reviews on the first game they just replaced CSGO with this cheap copy. So all reviews stay positive and the game doesnt tank as much. Hope they make something out of CS2.
@griffinbastion3 ай бұрын
Valve after 2018 compared to 2014 is like all star batman and robin version of batman compared to the justice league batman Just because they think making it edgy and uncaring sounds cool, doesn't mean it is cool, it just makes it sociopathic and greedy
@altoids67483 ай бұрын
i really hope that with Deadlock coming out in beta rn that Valve doesn't just drop CS2 like they did with TF2
@SleeplessKvan2 ай бұрын
I wished they could've made it to a separate game such as 1.6 and Source (I simply do not care if CS2 player base community would be lower than CSGO)
@cristian3107Ай бұрын
Most of the playerbase are good with playing dust2, im not one of em
@DoomedMadhouse27 күн бұрын
I still don't know why they erased all the achievements
@Silas_Ames24 күн бұрын
Because they are literally that lazy.
@bigMax13373 ай бұрын
The need to hire jeff from the overwatch team
@alexkoridze51243 ай бұрын
Bro's alive 😭🙏
@maxpeters79833 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, can't wait to start the game after this video :D
@s.v.berezin15623 ай бұрын
The central issue has been omitted from what is otherwise a quite thorough and well-presented video. CSS2 is not the game I or many others paid for. We did not opt in to this artistically bankrupt and mechanically-flawed, and unoptimised beta; and should not be forced to suffer it. I want to play CSGO, and not whatever this is.
@pieso55053 ай бұрын
3:58 the far cry 3 part go´s crazy
@skibidiBus3 ай бұрын
I run 15 frames on cs2. Thanks valve
@aloysiusyudistianto36113 ай бұрын
Me and my friends stopped playing CS, and switched to OW2 and R6S. Even though Blizzard and Ubisoft aren't the pinnacle of game development, at least they don't ghost their community like Valve does.
@SKAYAreal3 ай бұрын
teach me how to use the silver's paradise, ii mean the scar 20
@konstancemakjaveli3 ай бұрын
Bro, iNotorious, there arent 14 months in a year
@Malxer3 ай бұрын
According to Valve there must be 14 because they dont work a single month out of 12 so there must be 2 extra months were they actually work that we are unaware of
@Pumpdurd3 ай бұрын
yay new upload
@faloodaman3 ай бұрын
My experience with Counter-Strike: I have a very very old shitty laptop. I tried to get CS:GO to run on it twice. Both times the lag was higher than snoop dogg on a weekend. My solution? Buy Counter-Strike Source because it runs well on my laptop. I play with my friend who has similar problems. We both suck ass at the game. Still we play. He recently got a better PC so he plays CS2 now. Since we both suck ass, he just loses every time I watch him stream it on discord. I felt jealous he got to play cs2 at first, but now I don't think it's such a big thing to be sad over. Sure, I'll sill play cs2 when I eventually save enough money for a good PC, but all these problems just make me sad. Either way I have no idea where the fuck I was going with this comment to begin with. And since I've already typed it all out I guess I'll just post it
@Noistisix3 ай бұрын
You could use nvidia geforce now to play it via the cloud, if your really want to play with your friend now and for cheaper than buying a new pc. But where is the fun in that
@faloodaman3 ай бұрын
@@Noistisix Guess what? I actually tried that once for another game. Just my luck that it isn't available in my country. Even if it was, I know 100% the input lag would be nearly unbearable. 3rd world wifi is just not really good for this kind of stuff. Thanks either way for caring :)
@Noistisix3 ай бұрын
@@faloodaman Im in west europe and cloud gaming is shit. I think cs source or a custom csgo server would be fine. I have heard of some csgo revival servers but as you said your pc couldnt run it..?
@faloodaman3 ай бұрын
@@Noistisix my experience with csgo: 2 fps with indians yelling at me.
@Noistisix3 ай бұрын
@@faloodaman For me its the Russians, stick to cs source I would say.