How To Play DD in CV Games

Destroyers are rough vs CV's, but not unplayable. I've found a few ways to deal with CV's while playing DD and wanted to share. This game goes right down to the wire and is a good example of how to you have to change the way you play when there is a CV in the game.
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[@nedji8279]

This is the equivalent to making a guide on how to deal with angled battleships and just driving a Yamato around

[@Raz0rking]

Have a Pan European DD and hope that the enemy CV is an abosolute Potato.

[@dzello]

'' How To Play DD in CV Games '' Play the best AA ship in the game with the best AA Legendary Commander in the game.

[@intuii]

Now it is only missing the "Just Dodge it, duh"

[@hokkikokki]

Easy to say yea. Me as a weekend player who has no possibility to get those special captains and rly hard to keep up with new lines all the time. So playing against CVs with haru, shima or etc those "old" ones... rly sucks.

[@dzello]

@@hokkikokki It wasn't hard getting the captain. I wasn't playing a lot before and I got the legendary captain... Yet I don't even play Halland because I don't like that line. However, it's really easy to climb the Halland line. You don't have to keep up with new lines, I haven't gone up the Italian cruiser line and I got Luigi. I'm going to get the Italian battleships however. Btw, the destroyer I actually play all the time is Shimakaze. Got my Yamamoto on it but Yamamoto isn't a good legendary commander.

[@Steve-mw2dk]

@@dzello yes he is hes just really hard to activate

[@dzello]

@@Steve-mw2dk Who is ''he''? The pan european is good and super easy to activate while Yamamoto is bad because he's absurdly hard to activate (First Blood for one consumable is meh as well as not that likely to achieve whereas Kraken is absurdly hard to achieve for a buff too late in the game).

[@mos3ef]

Ok do one with Mogador now

[@poopsie117]

Yes yes, Mogador and Kleber please!

[@_Spharex]

PQ: kill fighters to keep them from spotting their team My greedy ass: kill fighters for a bigger number under the purple ribbon and that bit more XP

[@umutsen5606]

Step one : be a halland

[@tenfingerstentoes]

I like Gaishus strategy in no smoke DDs of going full reverse for the first 45 seconds of the match. Really drives home the point about how CV design forces you to not play the game.

[@SinkkingTurrtle]

I legitimately do this in every dd. Even halland. Not quite 45 seconds, but make the cv waste his first strike on your teammates who have enough hp to take some damage. You can very often avoid 4-5k hp of damage at the start of cv matches by just being 3-4 km farther back than if you had pressed w at the beginning of the match. Then you will get into the cap when the cv is busy farming some shmuck on the other side of the map.

[@Cloudman572]

45 seconds? I go full reverse for 20 minutes and go watch a you tube video during that time, not going to waste my time in a dd in a CV " game"

[@stephenju1966]

PQ: We need more control over consumable active time. WG: We hear you! Consumable action time will now be RNG based.

[@hendrikusdetuinman8360]

yeh, and now in a somers instead of a halland

[@donfitz69]

Or any DD other than the Smaland or Halland which actually have usable AA. LOL

[@lost4356]

try in Z52 instead,sommers have 16 km torpedo so is still viable against CV

[@martinpalmer6203]

Shimakaze gets murdered if detected. CVs ruin DD gameplay except for Halland where you can viably use it to attack CV planes and defend ships from planes. Halland is the best torpedo boat in the game *because* its got a heal and AA. While it's torpedoesdont hit as hard,they leave minimal reaction time and its not uncusual to land 18-30 torp hits in a game. Within my first 20 games of playing Halland i nearly beat my shima high damage or ~254k i was over 230k... 30 torpedo hits. With the special captain, you get torp reload and AA for killing planes and landing torps.

[@Dropbare]

"How To Play DD in CV Games" plays Halland. And enemy threw hard by doing the typical "Try to win more and chase enemy!". See this nearly every day.

[@landochabod7]

I'm sorry, is this a troll video? Or a troll title, at least? The Halland is arguably the best AA ship in the game: great air concealment, great AA, Def AA, a heal, and because she's a torpedoboat she's unlikely to get her AA stripped away by HE spam the way a BB might. Furthermore, there were 4 DDs per team in this game, so the CV's attention was going to be split anyway. I don't think anyone has trouble getting AA Expert awards in the Halland, or the Smaland or the Ostergotland for that matter, if the enemy CV is stupid enough to go for them of all targets, but that's not the point: the point is what do you do in the Shima, the Z-52, the Kleber...?

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

Not to mention something like a Clemson, or my personal nemesis, a Mahan.

[@conandude76]

So basically, get in holland, with best AA captain in the game, thereby creating the best AA ship in the game. Dunno if you really needed a 21 min vid for that, but thanx.

[@Sporting1210]

and next: tier6 dd against double tier8 cv. If this would be a Halland review it would be ok, but with the heading, it's just a none-sensical video by a BB main *shruggs* I mean yes, it is possible to still have game impact in a cv game as a dd, but it depends to a big part on how capable the cv is. I have games when i am left completely in peace by the cv because he only farmes dmg on BBs and there are games when the cv - obviously uising a matchmaking monitor , but that is a different issue - looks for me, goes straight for me and does not let go until i am dead.

[@davidbiemond2478]

Yeah matchmaking monitor, if you just stay close to your cruisers and other AA ships for the first 2 minutes the cv will lose interest in you

[@Sporting1210]

@@davidbiemond2478 nope he wont-at least not if hes any good. What are you suggesting? That cv players have the attention span of a toddler?^^ I mean i watch the minimap during the starting phase as a dd and make a mental note where everybody (spotted )is , why would a cv play differently?

[@davidbiemond2478]

@@Sporting1210 no that a cv wont let his planes and thereby his full attention fly around for 2 minutes without any damage, then he will either attack a other teammate or recall his planes. Not the attention of a toddler but everyone wants more damage

[@Sporting1210]

@@davidbiemond2478 i didnt say anything about "letting his planes fly around for 2 minutes" ;) I said: a good player makes a mental note when something is seen on the minimap. A cv, who was in this case often the one making it to be seen on the minimap, just has the means to get back there rather quickly after he was showering someone else with his attention and take a ..lets say "curious, playfull peek in the general vacinity". Letting your planes hover there would not qualify as a good cv player

[@amdhuntmc]

He has a 71% WR overall in DDs. I think we can trust his advice.

[@fearlessfosdick160]

"I don't think anyone has fun in a CV game." Exactly why I quit.

[@syltmackaalexandus4998]

I have fun with this game

[@bt-tc4gf]

Uhh yeah lets just use a dd with the best AA, thanks for the vid but seriously??

[@user-yt5xc2sn3d]

I wish you can demonstrate this in a IJN dd instead of using dd that have better AA than most same tier cruiser like Haland

[@Threesixtyci]

lol.... maybe if u talked about DD AA in anything other than a halland.... And u know why cv's are the tankest ships.... it's so cv's can no longer sniper kill each other in the first 3 minutes of the game.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

This works in Halland in T10, and perhaps with a full AA build Kidd at T8. Can't think of another DD this would work for.

[@SpaniardNL]

Smaland, Kleber, Marceau. but honestly, after changes last couple of months, rocket planes for Tier 10 CV's are absolute trash and can't hit a dd standing still properly enough. nothing to worry about against tier 10 cv, FDR cannot hit DD's at all, MVR has the worst type of armaments against DD's and can barely touch them, Tier 6 and 8 cv's are an absolute apex predator threat against DD's. But Tier 10.. nahhh, you're fine in a DD

[@ivanbelacic9624]

@@SpaniardNL Unless you are spotted, ergo dead. The cv does not have to shoot at you at all. Their rank is irrelevant.

[@conandude76]

@@SpaniardNL Nah, kleber and marc don't have near the aa capability, don't have the BS AA captain, have shit air detection compared to holland. Longer reload on the torps too, thou good torps.

[@Omegawerewolfx]

Tips 1 thru 5. Stay near AA cruisers.

[@droidmotorola3884]

I did that and got reported for being useless

[@Themilesrock]

Yeah people hate me doing that and hates me when I cap and get focused by the cv

[@voidempire2174]

I was going to go through the dozen things wrong with this. But you only need to take note of two to let you know how uninformed this is: 8:00.00 A Halland can’t handle a cv. If you’re a good HALLAND player, not only are you more likely to survive, even if you haven’t congratulations on defeating the CV by making him spend 15 minutes on you while the other CV actually contributes to further spotting and damage. 8:30 - hilarious. “The CV will focus on you as the DD because who knows… They think they will win if they kill you”. Then proceeds to tell us how if you survive into the late game as a DD will absolutely dominate. Literally proving what he is trying to argue against… LOL

[@chronographer]

Most frustrating game for the carrier. 'I spent 15 Min spotting this one dd, can anyone shoot him Please!? No? Well... Gg I guess'. The current interplay is very annoying. Like you were saying with player control, the carrier doesn't really have much control either. If you don't want to get hit with a torp or bomb you won't. So he just has to wait, or pray to RNG gods.

[@petrosantonopoulos]

no one commented on that double cv report at the end? lmao, this is what I do and run out of reports early in my sessions

[@siriusczech]

I didn´t care at first. The better I become, the more I hate CVs and eventually do this, too.

[@rrm2305]

@@siriusczech I remember grinding the legendary module on Conq and went from 97 Karma to 36 and I wasn't spamming HE. The other 36 karma I Lost grinding CVs

[@TheRealRRDemon]

My highest in Halland was 56 or 58 planes... but that was pre-nerf of AA. Good video to show the right mindset you need in a CV game. TY

[@poopsie117]

That Halland with you in A cap supporting you by also shooting the Yamato tho 🥰

[@Just2Epic4U]

I just watched that part and it was really cinematic and cool.

[@kieran3507]

you find players clumping up with or without CVs

[@artlailey1496]

Gotta say, compared to your other videos I find this really disappointing. There’s a lot of basic stuff, like disabling AA, which even quite new players know about, but at the same time it doesn’t feel aimed at those newer players because it doesn’t explain the fundamentals that those players are meant to be lacking. I just feel like this video misses the mark on all accounts.

[@josetrujillo2394]

I agree, some ways this could really have been much better: 1. Show some clips from the CV's point of view (There are a lot of DD players who've never played a CV. Suggest some co-op matches in a CV for these players) 2. Use islands to disrupt the CV drops, ESPECIALLY from German CVs (especially show the CV POV for this one) 3. Know your AA spotting range and turn off AA between CV passes if caught in the open without smoke or friends 4. Change course after being spotted and going dark to confound subsequent passes

[@oscarkiloecho6269]

Now pls play shima in midway or haku games. haha

[@elham7459]

12:43 *120mm HE shatters on deck* "I don't understand why ship that camps in the back (refers Midway) needs the best armor as well, that's a really odd game design." It's not the game design... Midway-class (Battle Carrier, CVB) was built from ideas including implementation of 89 mm armored flight deck including belt up to 193 mm to further improve current naval engagement that day which relies on carriers. It stops AP bombs threats to vital areas and 'shatters' kamikaze impacts. Game design part of that... plating and structure is penetrable 19 mm. Deck actually 87 mm in game must be because of simplified 2.5 cm per inch * 3.5" then rounded down.

[@YourFault]

The moment you didn't finish up or made the decision to give chase to the CV with 2000 hp... Not an absolutely crazy game, just bad but lucky gameplay. Could have saved tons of potential damage from CV strikes, saved time from running in circles and gain leverage earlier. Literally potato quality content.

[@clefsan]

even if he couldn't finish it himself, he should have sent chat message to his CV to take care of it. would have solved the whole issue from that point on. was a bad call to just let him go and do nothing.

[@ivanbelacic9624]

Now try the same thing as the ONLY dd on your team, not 1 out of 4.

[@conandude76]

And also not in the BEST AA ship in the game, while also using a redic AA specialty captain.

[@johnconger2522]

not all heroes wear capes. excellent work again, PQ

[@rosalina2938]

Grieving is against the rules.. that means, Potato told us to report all the cv. Perfect conclusion. No fault here.

[@thicketroad]

Fully expecting a 6 hour reply video bore-athon breakdown by NA's own resident "Unicum in a CV expert".

[@conandude76]

To be fair, this was a 21 minute video that just tells you to get in the best AA ship in the game, put the bs OP AA captain in it, and then spend over half the match dancing with cv's planes rather than actually playing against ships. Pretty sure the only reply needed has already been covered in the comments repeatedly: do this in other dd's, not the most powerful AA ship of any kind in the entire game, and show us playing it like this, lol. Bowing to game's refusal to competently balance ships by getting into the only REAL AA terror in the entire game isn't countering, and does significantly decrease your ability to effect the match in any other way. Not one of these "remove cv's" guys, I just think AA needs to be balanced properly, plane health / speed balanced properly, and we'd be fine. Neither has been done since RTS cv's were a thing, if then.

[@siriusczech]

There is multiple things in this video I don´t like as strategy based and would like to know reason for: 10:00 while Farming Kurfurst, completely leaving Alpha while between Alpha and Bravo there is somewhere a Halland unspotted for a while. It is probably that one ship (on half hp) that around 11:30 starts flipping Bravo (and the game with it, too). Why you haven´t chased him? 12:30 You should be dead if Thunderer weren´t total potato and were shooting HE. Even with close calls Thunderers HE tends to lit fires, kill engine, destroy (even completely) torpedo tubes etc. Fortunately for you, before releasing his second salvo he dies to Yamato and other Hallands HE spam. Speaking about halland, at 14:30 you meet him again and he runs away in direction of Alpha cap, where (solely) sails your teams CV. A CV, that has been chased there half the game from the enemies pushing that side of map (and dies in desperate defense from "only 5k hp Halland") around 16th minute mark. 15:00 only those torps saved you, you wouldn´t been fine and the enemy knows that. You don´t need proxy detection when CV is going for you. Around 18:00 I was thinking that your position is the worst possible - single DM radar would have had kill you inderectly, same for CVs planes. Were you confident enough that enemy CV will only try to kill the other Halland and won´t spot, same for absence of radars? Cause right there you look at two ships without them having anything to shoot at. That would change everything and it is a thing I think you have no control over. What were your thoughts?

[@ProgenitorFoundry]

My thoughts are that alot of "unicum" players think their stats give them the excuse to play like apes, because they clearly must have a logical purpose and plan. I've seen so many purple apes do so much dumb shit in randoms. Makes me wonder if any of them are truly that competent outside of a div with meta /arguably better ship roster that was later removed and ineccessible to newer /learning players. Same goes for Clan battles, newer clans don't access to smaland/thundered or any of the other pretty ridiculous ships out there, by that fact alone it's harder to compete. Watching him shoot willy nilly in front of a thunderer made me fucking cringe. Everything else aside, cvs are cringe.

[@stuartthurstan]

Now try it again with a Shimakaze

[@therealStempec]

Would have been nice if you show this with a shima or something with bad aa.

[@DrekavacScream]

A shima or something with bad AA isn't getting 56 plane kills in a match. He mentioned at least three times in the video what he would be doing if he was in another ship. What are you talking about?

[@wintereve-496]

@@DrekavacScream the title of the video is [How To Play DD in CV Games] and plays Halland. he just mentioned he "wants to see a sample video of playing dd with regular AA". what`s your problem.

[@TheChiog]

While it was an interesting video, you are aware you were playing literally one of the biggest dreads to CVs, right?

[@dzello]

One? This is the best AA ship in the game with the best AA commander in the game. This is THE biggest CV dread.

[@siriusczech]

@@dzello Smaland is comparable to it - a ship I hated really much in DDs due to its radar vs. spotting range.

[@dzello]

@@siriusczech Smaland has worse AA because it has no DFAA.

[@siriusczech]

@@dzello AA values are similar, though.

[@dzello]

@@siriusczech yeah but DFAA makes an absurdlybig difference so theyre nowhere close

[@JeffPedlow]

When you can only (sort of) stop planes with a halland, wooster, desmoines, mino, that's a problem. An Atlanta can't stop planes really anymore and that's one of its major gimmicks. If a CV wants you, you're dead or are getting instantly crossfired by a cv.

[@antoinecabrol4972]

Sad gearing noises

[@conandude76]

Wooster desmoines and mino take more work, but you can def drop on them much harder than on holland, specially with that AA captain.

[@pliskenmovie]

The biggest one is turning off AA. I love watching friendly DDs advertising their position to the CV by firing at the first opportunity, it keeps them away from me.

[@atpyro7920]

Basically drive a Swede and pray that the enemy CV doesn’t know what it’s doing.

[@neorvo5599]

Thanks. I am happy to know you are going to play more DD's :)

[@randolphphillips3104]

Grinding a Kansas. I am bottom tier. Entire team is steaming full speed away from me. I am focused by 2 CVs. I am going full speed, but every time I get a squadron and need to turn, I get further behind my group. I get into range of an enemy. 1st salvo, all ricochet, Dead before I can fire a second. My team WON, but I had no damage and LOST 60k credits. CVs more than overpowered joy-killers, they actually hurt where it counts, in the wallet.

[@_koifishpond]

So sad our Yamato threw the game, I was the Thunderer

[@rinzler_o7o7o7]

If you think this is a "hard CV focus game" then you would absolutely not survive on the Asia server.

[@governmentcheese2257]

I know its bad form to leave the team, go around back, and sink the CV .. but sometimes out of frustration i still do it. The team is usually thankful, but I feel dirty afterwards for some reason.

[@blusafe1]

Because you give up >5 min of DD play time for a chance at sinking one of the most high value targets. High risk, high trade off, high reward. And it only works if the CV is not paying attention.

[@Cloudman572]

I go to back and torp CV too then go afk. Ok it makes me pink but not wasting my time in a CV " game". Seems to piss folks off most if its a ranked game.

[@oneangrycanadian6205]

Open your spread on your torps. Even opened up it’s still a decent tight spread

[@greggaminger]

I play on SEA server. I now have a lovely range of DDs that stay permanently in port. Every time I take one out I get a double CV game. I'm sure WG would whip out one their spreadsheets, tell me this is not the case, but this is how it seems and how it feels. And it feels bad.

[@WellyCoaster]

SEA server is just dumb with the amount of CVs, I was lucky enough to transfer out. Still get CV games but DDs are alot more playable and the CV players aren't as good as on SEA.

[@greggaminger]

@@WellyCoaster Yeah I've been hoping they are going to allow the transfer option to happen again. How is the ping/lag etc on NA? I'm in regional QLD, we have NBN so my internet is 'ok' but it's not CBD quality.. :)

[@WellyCoaster]

@@greggaminger Hey, I'm in NZ and my ping is between 105 to 110. When I was in SEA it was between 100 to 140.

[@greggaminger]

@@WellyCoaster Thanks mate. Sounds encouraging. Now I just have to hope they allow transfers in future :)

[@martinpalmer6203]

Yeah I made the mistake of moving my account to SEA.... its basically 2 cvs every game in low tiers, typically 1 of the 2 is really skilled at killing DDs and often both... and being focused by 2 CVs = dead DD. Even Halland wont survive focused CV players... the only saving grace is it can at least give them a bloody nose and they usually strike elsewhere... Ive even been in games where we lost *because* the CV wouldnt scout or strike a halland/smaland duo who proceeded to take a 3 cap, 4 ship lead and whittle it down to a 0 cap, 2 CA loss. SEA is basically full of cowardly players who are mostly selfish stat padders. Go into a 3v3 fight on SEA and 9 times out of 10, your 2 allies will turn tail and run away rather than take a fair fight.. resultin in all 3 being killed. Im moving my account to EU once they allow transfers. NA and EU seem to have the best players who know how to take the initiative and wont run away in situations where skill means a sure win. If im in my Missouri ill take a 3v1 fight and usually kill 2.. If I have someone with me we often get all the enemy ships without loss... Missouri is just that kind of ship. But in SEA.. noone seems to know howto brawl and they do everything they can to avoid it.. Bleh... enough ranting but SEA sucks ass.... I need a fleet that isnt full of cowardly little bitches and knows how to say BANZAI ..... Yippee Kay Yay motherfucker..

[@EqualizerLNF]

Enemy midway random stats with the ship: 110k dmg, 1,1 kills but ONLY 41% winrate in 40 games. Not a lot of games but seems like your typical useless damage farmer to me. If he is not a reroll its kinda scary how effective even fairly new players can be in CVs if they apply themselves into it. Those damage numbers are no laughing matter and I would assume his winrate normalizes around 50-53% if he plays more games.

[@shedsheddington3374]

Hello, friendly (or not) CV main here. What's so weird is that he and I have basically the same damage numbers, but vastly different win rates. Basically, because of poor game design, you can ignore fundamentals, farm large damage and do reasonably well without ever prioritizing "winning." That's one of the biggest problems, that CVs now don't incentivize you to actually learn the game, just to go, haha, large numbers go brrrrrrrr

[@siriusczech]

Effective with new players - getting to T10 is not few games and gameplay changes only a little since T8 - only more relevant AA bubbles (equivalent for more radars vs. DDs). And while farming damage in something with 6 torps per drop (multiple bombs and solid fighters) is quite easy, the main problem here stays that the damage is not too relevant. You cannot carry your team and kill ships 1 on 1, cause they will dodge most of it and you don´t have time for that. CVs are best (and worst for fun of others) in joining the fight alongside surface ships, adding their damage to already running fight. I know this from Haku (which I slightly hate). Sadly it has almost no improvement from Shokaku - still 2 torps per drop (used to be 4) and low amount of bombs are really easy to dodge, you need the enemy to either cannot turn due to fight or not pay attention. The only other option for better xp is hunting DDs.

[@theaffiliate4208]

Had a Midway that got a hard on for my Halland, cause I got into their backfield. Focused on me pretty much the whole game. Tried playing "cat and mouse", but torp salvos (1 to 2 hits per) would give away my general direction and he'd/she'd find me and I'd then melt his/her squadrons. 65 planes in total. Didn't come in first or second, cause defensive playing most of the time and lost on points. 🤪

[@Popmycherryyo]

I'll agree with one thing. The fact that CVs are SOOOO incredibly hard to kill is actually BEYOND me. Sure, if there was a CV split somewhere along the line that made the whole "secondary CV" meme a thing, sure, make those tanky and all that shit, but holy fuck, I can't keep count of how many times I've gotten a CV broadside with either a CA/CL or a BB, but NO freaking cits after like a gazillion salvos. It just doesn't make ANY sense.

[@robertshaver4432]

I play DDs against CVs a-bit differently and with pretty good success: 47 kills Oland, 46 Ostergotland , 31 Skane, 28 Visby, not world records but not bad! Maneuverability/rudder shift time is key for an AA build for my play-style. Yes I do give up concealment for rudder shift within the ship modules and I do take both rudder shift time modules. I also take both guns fire training for Commander skills. Note that they aren't just for AA in that the 3 point basic fire training also decreases main guns reload time and the 4 point guns training increases the range of the main guns. Halland although it has better AA defense numbers isn't maneuverable enough for my CV fighting play. I hate my Halland and would "much rather" enter a tier 10 battle with my tier IX Ostergotland or even my tier VIII Oland"" even without CVs! ""Halland SUCKS Boogers"" in my book!!!!! I try to get the CV pissed off at me via being "obviously-over-aggressive" so he'll focus on me, I love the AA fight more than anything in this game. Although I can't example much specifically here I will say that there are many maneuverability plays available to throw off their timing (not in Halland lol) to disallow them a bulls-eye hit and oftentimes they miss me altogether even in tier 10 games. Pan Euros do have heals which is very important so I do take damage but I also make them pay dearly for attacking me and they rarely actually kill me. Getting spotted by other ships is what gets me killed more than aircraft ever do, so yes I do play further away from enemy ships in a CV battle. Maneuverability and maneuvering as I'm fighting the aircraft also alleviates much of the ship to ship damage taken. I'm virtually shimmy shimmy shaking during my AA fight but it's more that the calculated turns against the CV attack also throws off the ship to ship volleys thrown at me. An important mention here is: if you've used your AA consumable for the primary/1st-attack-run do not turn off your AA guns (to go dark) as he swings around for another pass at you: The AA consumable won't come back on as it's then on cool down so just allow it to continue shooting down his aircraft during his turn around. Quite often his 2nd attack run fails (all shot down) or at least he's so short of aircraft by then that little or no damage is done to you. If he's caught you with your AA module on cool down "then" consider turning off your AA to go dark to spoil his re-line up spotting time. Note that you also go dark to ships until he re-spots you. Why do I profess maneuverability so much? Often I need to do a complete U-turn in my AA fight and that my friends is predictable to "dead eye" ship volleys so... I need to be able to square off or go straight somewhere in my turn thus giving up prime positioning for the 2nd air attack in my effort to avoid ship volleys but, you see, "I can" and still wind up perfectly positioned against the 2nd air attack in having the "maneuverability" to do so. This is where Halland "Fails- Badly" (it turns like a bus with flat front tires lol)! The best Signal flags for AA fights are: India Delta for the additional HP recovery and Sierra Mike for the ship speed (in some ships I give up engine boost in taking the AA consumable). Speed also effectively provides agility! High tier Pan Euros are typically slow, (35 knots) and they decelerate a-lot in the turns. Setteseven is of course another good signal flag but I rarely hang it, signal flags cost 120,000 credits "each" if purchased so, if no CV is in the game I see it as 120,000 credits wasted whereas the other mentioned signal flags at least do something positive without a CV present. Signal flags cost way to much if purchased with credits or coal: a good way to lose your ass! Just to mention too: a maneuverability build also helps to dodge torpedo's: Again, Halland couldn't dodge a BB at 1/2 throttle even with a maneuverability build. Did I mention that I "truly-hate" my Halland? Ironic for an AA advocate huh? Does this playstyle aversively effect my profile numbers? Yes you bet it does but, my profile numbers don't include: the HP that I've saved my teammates, less aircraft nuisance caused missed plays by my teammates, sometimes "life" as well as "what my teammates did" with my provided saved HP and thus extra battle time. Too bad that I don't receive credits for that but, I don't and I don't care! It's the same with torps, I'll knock a BB down to size and my teammates get the easy kill with way less HP loss: all good with me: A DDs job/duty! "Your duty" is to not let me go one on one or worse one on two with other DDs: ""cover my ass""! Why? See above! Come get me CVs you're cordially invited to a "BBQ Splash Party": bring the wings, I'll flame-cook'em! P.S. If you're a tier X CV player: I was just kidding Sir! lol Sea_Tiger_59

[@matthewyang7893]

Hakuryu go brr FDR HE rocket go brr

[@rrm2305]

The main problem with WOWs is the obsession with damage and kills and all the rewards are based on that all the stat sites are based on it people justify their standing in the game on WR, PR damage, and frags. They need to rework how the game is calculated. I tanked 2.4 million damage in tier 10 game stalling a flank in an Admiral Hipper along with a friendly GK I did 80k damage and at the end of the game I finished about 4th from the bottom next game was 40k damage and 2 total kill steals in the Hipper in a tier 10 game and I finished top 5. In my mind, I did far more for the team slowing a flank down and got very little for it. Until they rebalance how rewards are calculated people will continue to be damage focused instead of focused on the objective and team play.

[@lionheart9899]

I think it's a misconception that all CV players like to focus and hunt down DDs. I personally play a ton of CVs even in the RTS days, but I don't care to hunt them down. Most of the time I focus on a DD if they're doing well and it's drastically affecting my team. But then I get matches where my team is spamming in chat to kill the dd all the time even when I'm playing German CVs. For me, it's more or less the team harassing me to focus DDs all the time, then focusing on what would help us to win.

[@conandude76]

Just because you aren't, doesn't mean most don't. Good cv players get eyes on and dmg to dd's early on, in support of their own dd's. Teams that win, anyway...

[@lionheart9899]

Yup that's true, At most, I try to strike a dd once or twice at the beginning to at least delay them from reaching the cap. Sometimes, that small delay helps. But I have seen some CVs hard focus dds and I honestly don't know why.

[@tyrantbane7948]

Just wish defensive AA was unlimited charges like the unlimited aircraft.

[@rinzler_o7o7o7]

"Just use your extremely limited number of smokes and DFAA charges against the infinitely regenerating number of planes that are coming after you, it's good game design!"

[@mastershake9551]

German dds with 2 CVs i engage my superskills ALT F4

[@paulkirkland3263]

Just a quick point; Alsace rhymes with ass, not face ( seriously! ) So, Al-sass. It's a region of France near the German border.

[@TheKobiDror]

3:22 I have the AA on/off function on my additional button of my mouse. That way I can easily switch it on and of without struggling to find something on the keyboard.

[@kerotomas1]

How to play a DD in CV games? Have the DD with the best AA in game. Oh you don't have that one? Well then you simply don't play it - sorry out of luck

[@pikkozoikum8523]

18:20 and that's the fun part. Managing it, and winning the match by that. Better than these RTS-CV one-shot drops on BBs, there is nothing to manage.

[@poopsie117]

How to play Akizuki? I think that ship is criminally misplayed. Its in a weird spot as its the first Japanese gunboat technically, but its before you get the Kitakaze that has quite the dpm advantage?

[@ronyar7900]

The reason I like RN dds is because of the loads of smokes, so u can us one without losing lots of your smokes to escape a cvs

[@kingofcastlechaos]

What is the campaign you are working on? I do not recognize it. (step 3, task 8)

[@DeadGirlDontSayNo]

Only possible with Halland. If FDR is not the CV, then you need two Hsllands.

[@Hawkfizzles]

Im just waiting for KSE ashkance coming in here saying PQ is a idiot and do another 6 hour Ashkance watches PQ video

[@travelwell8098]

Is there a video on ow to play against radar?

[@nu8242]

At this point people are just hating on carriers cause it’s trendy

[@cyberwaste]

It's more like 2 players get to grief the 8 destroyers that usually get to grief. I have 0 sympathy for destroyers. However, since I'm writing this after the rocket plane nerf, destroyers have nothing to be afraid of anymore.

[@kodiak138]

I just got 69 planes kills with the their 7 Omono. I had double Ranger cvs on the enemy team. and if my AA wasn't down to 15 percent the last 4 minutes I might have had 80. Normal cap but it is a cruiser.

[@gregorymehlhose1441]

Best thing to do is early game stay semi close to team mates. Then go on the attack

[@DanjasLP]

Hey PQ. I was wondering if there was a way to send you replays for you to commentate over. I have massively improved in my Kitakaze from a 39% winrate to a 57% win rate (on the ship) in just a few days thanks to your tips on DD gameplay and I had an incredible game today that I'd like to share. I'd appreciate it, if you'd let me know if there is a way :)

[@maxterhex]

Actually, Gearing (for me at least) have not so bad AA. And because she have smokes, best t10 consealment (with legendary module, sure) and def AA, Gearing is more flexible for me even in CV games then Halland.

[@SL-ev8jv]

Do one with T7 French destroyer.

[@nightwatcher665]

How do you get that much fps?

[@adams4075]

I take my Heavy Cruiser or a Destroyer out on the flanks. I usually can estimate where the enemy CV is. I tend to hunt it down.

[@rrm2305]

And while you hunt it down you are not doing much for the team when you are skirting the border.

[@semi-skimmedmilk4480]

Can you do the tallin or riga? I'm having a hard time with them

[@siegfriedasbjorn7259]

They are just harsh, Tallinn is a floating citadel with bad guns at range, its only redeeming feature is the AP but good luck using it well with that 27 mm all around and that awful manoeuvrability. Riga is workable though.

[@zlpatriot11]

Me too. In ranked, Tallin's AA is worthless even with DFAA.

[@semi-skimmedmilk4480]

My big complaint is that because the guns are poor at range, I feel the need to get too close to the enemy. I hold strong positions, but my team often leaves the flank which ends up with me getting surrounded... and then I cant escape. I usually take 1 or 2 ships out during the process, and at the moment I'm averaging 50 - 70k. I'm a BB player though so I'm just not used to how squishy cruisers are.

[@raffaeledelsal9737]

Tallin is a monster You can tank all tier 8 BBs and some tier 9 when angled You have amazin pen at all ranges and stalin guided shells Kite at the beginning of the match then push, try to get 1 vs 1 with cruisers or ti get in a position to hit bbs broadside with AP

[@semi-skimmedmilk4480]

@@raffaeledelsal9737 yeah I did hit a broadside bismarck at 6 km and did 16k damage, but match making seems to put me in tier X matches a lot. I will work on surviving longer... I just get annoyed by the pace of the game sometimes where both teams hang back

[@professorhaaland6210]

Be a Halland. If you play Shima, pray that the enemy CV player is a noob.

[@grimmzorn3516]

Hey PQ , plz get a new ISP. Love you`re streams , but i cant enjoy it. Hope you get the partnership on twitch asap . You deserve it long time ago .

[@austinvia9422]

Anyone know what custom banners he’s using?

[@conandude76]

One of the mods in aslain's or modstation. Not sure which, but just check the previews and you should find it.

[@DemoDashImpact275]

How do you have those special looking ribbons? They look like the ones on console

[@conandude76]

Mods. Aslain's or Wows Modstation.

[@mondrianbogert6835]

Step one: play best AA DD in the game.

[@danielgagnon2231]

sad german dd noises

[@renanmonteirobarbosa8129]

On the old cv I got 86 plane kills

[@redbear2562]

Dude you're in a Halland.

[@redbear2562]

Can I suggest you post a series like this (DD vs CV) of sped up games in a Kleber or a German DD line?

[@conandude76]

and with the bs AA captain.

[@droidmotorola3884]

Man I feel like the more DDs are on the match the more chance of a one sided game is going to be because DDs die to fast so is like a waste of spot that could have been a BB or a CA that doesn't die as fast.

[@Themilesrock]

CAs often die faster in my matches

[@qiang8340]

60hz monitor with unclock fps seems (144hz) a non sense idea ✌🏽

[@conandude76]

Yeah, I'd be syncin' that shit.

[@martinpalmer6203]

I can summarize... Play Halland.

[@Shivan3333]

Too bad you didn't show the type of planes you killed. Would've liked to see that half of your plane kills were actually fighters.

[@jimmtheballs]

The whinging... What are you all complaining about? He gives you tips but because it isn't your favourite ship you're all crying about how op CV's are (we already know that). You can still use these same principles in other DD's. You don't have to have the best AA to play a DD. Yes, it sucks. Yes, you can't do crap against double cancer. Use your brains. Or come play on the Asian server to know real CV pain.

[@quatschkopq186]

19:46 How did the enemie Yamato die?

[@alzuu1]

Secondary hit from the friendly Yamato.

[@quatschkopq186]

@@alzuu1 Oh, oops. I ment to write how the Yamato did take that huge damage.

[@rtr2k6]

But it’s a halland.... :)

[@whyubullyme2874]

casually reports cv at the end of the game XD

[@ynwsimoms347]

8:40 what the fuck is this how does the Verizon winner superunicum not know that you need destroyers to be alive and contest caps and so on .... bc there are some things called caps and if all caps are red it means the enemies gain a lot of points and your team non ... to solve this problem you have to cap ... capping in a Kremlin can be hard when you got enemies shooting at you/ without being in a crossfire in your Kremlin

[@JanKowalski-si6sm]

Man I like your video but this one is ....... . I hope you are ashamed

[@rrm2305]

CV paranoia I don't really play CV just to grind them and if a mission requires it same with all my tier 10s really. CV playing is about time management it takes time to get where you're going and get a strike in contrary to popular belief CV is not constantly doing damage much the same as playing a torpedo based DD. Spotting DDs is a benefit to your team spending a whole game chasing a DD is not a benefit to your team. Much in the same way as you used to get DDs skirting around the map to try and take out a CV he may do it but he is no benefit to his team. Finding the weak flank and helping your team push is a benefit. If there is a CV so be it you have to adapt remember both teams have a CV one team still loses. One thing I will say is that out of curiosity I bought and FDR for steel and took into a coop game with a 3 point BB captain and no modules and flew around the bots and di fake drops just to see how tanky the planes were. Result in FDR is broken and should be removed from the game doing that in any other tier 10 CV your planes would be deleted in around 30 seconds or less FDR lasted on average 45 to 60 seconds just circling in the AA range of 4 to 5 bots. Do I like a CV in-game not really but I can live with it I have more hate and loathing for HE spam and Island humping that's what spoils the game for me.

[@raphaelvulfs5467]

1) Compared to every other class CVs can do dammge almost all of the time. For example, how much time doe it take to line up a torp drop with a DD? And if succesful, how much time to be in a position to torp the next target.. CV flies at 200 mph, chooses any ship and proceeds to shit all over it. 2) We are not complaining that CV games are unfair, we are complaining that CVs as a class is unfair compared to all other in almost every aspect 3) What ship appart from a CV can be at the same time the best spotter and the best daammage dealer while not risking his own HP

[@rrm2305]

@@raphaelvulfs5467 1) Cv does not do damage almost all the time it may get there faster but it's not guaranteed to do damage. CV does not choose any ship it chooses isolated ships or ships that are overextended much like the 50 knots plus gunboats that is almost impossible to hit and torp boats also target those players. 2) I complain about island humpers and HE spammers radar that goes through islands not to mention AA that fires through islands there are many things that are unfair DDs only taking over pen damage from AP but its torps are capable of one-shotting any ship in the game or a camping BB deleting a CA from 20km or an island humping HE spammer burning ships down when it cant get hit back just keeping the mouse key pressed down while watching tik tok videos 3) what ship apart from a CV has no control over its ship's consumables. What class cant attack when manually steering the ship. How about the ships that hide behind islands cant get hit by anything and just spam HE. The planes of a CV are its hit points not the ship a CV with no planes (and yes it does happen contrary to popular belief) The majority of CV players are not very good you only have to look at the average WR for CVs. The only CV that has no place in the game is the FDR that should be removed from the game as that is most definitely broken.

[@raphaelvulfs5467]

@@rrm2305 1) OMG no guaranteed damage... outrageous ;-). It's close enough to guaranteed dammage to me. 2) Those are fair complains (except the DD AP pen pary... DDs are already deleted fast enough) but none of these issue are as bad as CVs (personal point of view but I belived it's shared by many other players). 3)Planes of a CV is NOT its HP ar it gets HP twice. Unfair. From what I can see sometimes CV sent half squadrons (you know like a shipe could have its guns broken). 4) the majority of CV players were good I probably would stop playing. Good they suck.... Despite that they are still the top dog in all matches.

[@rrm2305]

@@raphaelvulfs5467 Its not guaranteed damage they can lose their whole squad or miss their drop same as any other class. I ground CVs so I know how they work. I gound DD lines I still have to get Halland I don't like playing CV or DDs they just don,t do it for me. I like BBs but HE spammers and damage farming DDs make it a bad experience so I play open water cruisers can stay clear of HE spammers can hold its own against a DD and a CV sure they might damage you but you will do damage back. Thats just the way it is if I play in a division and they take CA I will take a BB. There is no balance in the game now before DDs killed BBs CA killed DDs and BBs killed CA. CV was always in the game but before rework the team with the best CV won the match.Now a BB is there to get damage farmed Cruisers are where its at they are well armed they have armour they have AA hydro radar some have smoke.

[@raphaelvulfs5467]

@@rrm2305 Actually when they make a mistake other classes don't loose a squadron, they loose their HP and more often than not all of it if playing CA, CL or DD. CV's mistakes are barely punished.

[@wufelix2825]

First of all, get yourself a halland lmao

[@rubberducky1853]

Lol half of these comments are all making the same joke 😂

[@Josh-99]

I can't believe that CV ate all those torps and didn't pop. Horrible game design right there.

[@lordcrafty7578]

when you said it's not fun to play a DD in a CV game you obviously haven't played pan EU DD against a salty MvR player.

[@raphaelvulfs5467]

Depressing!

[@stiffjoeplayswows7803]

I'll one-up you with 57 planes shot down ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGKnhXyerdWVea8 I'm not good enough to carry it though, so we lost.