How to Play Mid & get IMMORTAL (NO BS) | Full Guide Dota 2

[@Dretjes]

As a player that's coming back to Dota after 6 years these videos are gold. Nice man!

[@StivensGameZone]

Only thing that is changed or different since last time u have played is that they bann cheaters now Community still toxic. Noobs even more than before And mmr system.still make no sence..

[@user_ghdq3]

Don't do that to yourself

[@yarikyaryi]

@@StivensGameZone lol, 2k mmr now play not worse than 4-5k+ back then and know game much better. and i love personally toxicity of dota community - much more realistic and honest than in games where snowflakes get offended by any word.

[@cephaschan5249]

@@StivensGameZone community is toxic cause all the poor players wont take advise properly. lol..

[@StivensGameZone]

@@cephaschan5249 poor players want just to play the game.and engoy in peace..even with doing it great or do miatakes....the toxic ones are the one who think if they are 8 k mmr they have achievend something in thier life 🫣🤣 Is just a game...

[@mohammadhasanisefat7917]

As a 6.5k mmr midplayer i see this video very great not only for lower mmr players but for everyone that likes midrole Learnt and fixed my thaughts on many scenarios on midlane thanks a lot.

[@bartekbinda6978]

I am actually an immortal player that wants to switch to mid from pos 4 and this is golden advice. Thank you for the guide it includes so many useful tips for laning and matchups!

[@KayeJaspher]

Still here in this tutorial after reaching 7k mmr. I realized I still so much have to learn in dota. Its fun to see how others see approach heroes and situations.

[@juliusrendon5936]

Ify brother

[@Lurcherr]

This video helped me out a ton. I only play mid and I've been going on a lose streak. I haven't done much research since this patch and this helped put some things back into perception for me

[@paolocostamackee3525]

Great video. Would be amazing to have a series where you deep dive onto a mid hero, and share what are their matchup stats and how to play them

[@viology69]

The "knowing when to farm and when to fight" sounds similar to what I'd always told myself which was "itemize to not die", but a bit nicer. Also known about the range creep giving vision to aggro for a while, but never seen anyone share it, so that's cool. Thanks for the awesome video, it was long but wish it was longer!

[@SpaNkeee]

I would suggest not always building "not to die" this reads like playing not to lose. The endgoal of the game is killing the ancient which is made easier by killing heroes. Topson is so famous for his builds and playstyle because he rather kills than survives, thats why had THE most deaths among midplayers TI8, literally THE most, but guess who won TI8, Topson. Becuase he created so much chaos and killings in situations that should be "tame"

[@bengilliland7048]

Thank you, I used to play mid back in 2013 but the game has changed so much since then, I tried playing mid again a few times recently and I got absolutely destroyed in lane. I knew I needed a guide on how to play mid in 2023, and this is exactly what I was looking for. It's great that you include a mixture of general information (like how to choose a hero) and concrete tips like what starting items to buy or how to check if the enemy has a ward. I will watch this video and try to learn as much as I can.

[@sergiodetter1417]

THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST DOTA2 GUIDE I HAVE SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. THANKS

[@darthbinks5987]

I think some people would be exited to see this kind of a video for the pos 3 as well.

[@christiematthee1609]

Thank you pain, i hit immortal a month or 2 ago and dropped 600-1k mmr in 2 weeks. I just wanted to thank you for all your thaughts and input. It has helped me achieve immortal :)

[@kckillakrack9714]

Good guide very useful for new players. One thing I'll say for aggro is if the enemy is missing you can global aggro creeps by using enemy icons at the top of the screen this will allow you to aggro creeps when a hero isn't there

[@slimguella7918]

After a 7 years break from Dota, your channel is what encouraged to actually play the game again. Amazing educational content! Thank you dear sir

[@None-ww4ec]

Better teacher than Speed. Following you closely man thanks

[@Youngbloodd2]

Really grateful for this! I am a mid player myself, around 3.5k mmr. Feel like I'm a bit stuck, as I tend to throw games often. Thus, I am trying to "relearn" the mid lane, and this really helps me out!

[@itmeurdad]

Super dense and informative. Very good work. I havent finished the video yet but so far the glaring lack of invoker mentions is somehow both a brilliant troll and great advice 😅 I learned more about the game than any other period learning invoker, but also completely tanked my MMR. Invoker is by far the most flexible mid, and can fit into virtually any of the categories presented in this video.

[@claycrosby]

This is great content for those looking to optimize and focus their game. Thanks and please keep it up!

[@shazlansyah2380]

These video is gold Man.. Really help a lot mid player like me

[@ahmedrady8403]

I can not thank you enough for this video man! Keep up the good videos and let us know how we can support you. This is the most detailed data 2 video I have ever seen.

[@Tezcatlipunga]

this video really makes it look soo easy! thank you coach, i'll start be more mindful about my farming during rankeds

[@ElConqueefTador]

Dk is another good hero for new mid players, I go a 2:1:2 build before 6 then max he's passive and basically am unkillable to most mid heroes. If you can manage to get a decent timing with blink and shard you can pressure side lanes and have all tier 1 towers down really fast, especially if you got good synergy and push potential with your team.

[@augustomohr2565]

this guide was incredibly useful. I have only 20 games of dota but I win most of my lanes, the only problem is that I struggle after laning phase. Maybe a video focused on that would help other ppl as well

[@KarennaJP]

I've been playing dota for 8~ years, and 6 of this years in the mid lane, I say that Im decent at it, (even tho my rank is not the best, but who knows maybe with this video I improve!?), but there were also plentiful things that I learned from this video, while some were already in my knowledge, overall that's an amazing video guide for the midlane, enjoyed and learned something every single minute, you got a new sub here sir! Good work :)

[@endfastpls712]

Found this video in recommendation and after watching it I was sure to subscribe to your channel. Keep it up bro

[@bugsnap1562]

I’m now world champion at Dota2, Poker and First man to Mars. Thanks for the video!

[@zdslmn]

this was very informative, and not just for mid laners

[@arquloc0893]

Wow the aggro mechanic using own range creep as vision was new to me, i kinda hate when enemy doesn't have ward in mid, because i can't control the wave as well. Never thought to use the range creep. Awesome

[@Ollowayn]

Hey, I´m new to Dota (League veteran just trying it out) and even though I don´t fully understand all things, it still helps a lot. Thanks!

[@jokersmith9096]

Amazing video as always thank you 🙏 big patch next week I wonder how much it will alter this guide 😁

[@PainDota]

fingers crossed :3

[@ipeterov]

There is an easier way to center the camera on yourself when blocking. Use the "Hold Select Hero to follow" option, and just hold your "Select Hero" key, which is 1 for me. It doesn't require tinkering with console, and it's more convenient than double-clicking.

[@s33dgaming41]

Agree

[@TR-78]

this is top comment

[@dipankarsaha4388]

I maybe wrong but SF doesn't seem like someone who needs their team to create space for him. He can solo kill, take towers , push lanes and create space by forcing enemy tps all by himself

[@YeWintPaiMyelAung]

This is so gold , you just gained +1 subscribe man!

[@sirkyan9463]

amazing video, the effort was really worth it! :D

[@Hantick]

I started following this tutorial at 1700 MMR. Now I am 2100 and I keep going !

[@Hantick]

Now i am 2400 MMR, created a guild and found mates to play with. MMR climbing and climbing :D

[@justintimbersaw3934]

I'm tired of being pos 4-5 and my core sucks. I set up kill after kill after kill and make plays you don't even see at TI yet somehow we lost. Now I'm taking matters to my own hands. Thanks for this guide, I'mma spamming meepo day and night until I get my MMR back.

[@Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnggggggrrrrr]

New subs here. I love your content. You are on my top 5 guide on how to play dota on highest level. Love from ph. Keep it up

[@dipankarsaha4388]

I came here because someone suggested this on reddit to me, well im glad that I did

[@marksantiago22]

i learn from him when it comes to greedy heroes and it really true if your hero on mid is greedy also the game is like finish under 30mins below! and result as lose easily.

[@BenBenRanger]

hey! i love your videos and have been starting to re-learn dota again after playing very infrequently for a long time. one small criticism i'd offer to keep in mind is that you sometimes make assumptions about what enemies will do that aren't very accurate in MMR brackets below 4k or so. things like enemy midlaners blocking, or enemy supports rushing to ward the river, and mid heroes always picking last, aren't really very applicable in my experience, since everyone is less skilled and most people aren't doing things the way you'd expect from higher MMR games. personally, i'd love a guide like this from the perspective of the 2-3k bracket where enemies aren't as predictable and don't follow the same 'rules' as you lay out here

[@davidtoowavy1648]

As a new player I dont get half of what you are saying but what I can say is that this is great content

[@TEJR69]

Really great guide my man! I've been for the longest time stuck between Ancient 3 and Devine 2. I'd roll between these two ranks, sometimes dropping lower for a game or two, or the other way, stepping out, but being sent back quite fast... for me I was always playing mid or hard supports. Both roles are super important and what my friend likes to make fun of as "autism" I'm overanalytical so I enjoy playing the chess game of DotA... anyway, I've been lately since the 7.33 update trying out different weird picks on mid, Shadow Demon, Venomancer and Ancient Apparition are my most picked heroes. The most success I have is Veno (around 68% winrate). I play these characters because it gives me freedom in terms of how good or bad my cores are doing. If my Hard Carry is struggling, is 0/4 and needs time to farm, Right-click Veno is actually good hero. Same with AA, that build with Scepter, Pike and some attackspeed is bonkers. But if my cores are doing okay or outright dominate the game, I'll take on a role of pos4, you can get auras and other helpful items much faster. The only problem is, that people don't trust me (I mean, yeah why should they right?) it almost feels like I'm playing with League players most of the time. Nobody even tries to communicate, sees Shadow Demon mid and instantly give up, but especially SD has one of the easiest match-ups you can get. You reall don't like heroes like Storm Spirit, Qop or Viper for example, but seeing Viper mid is unlikely nowdays, It's still played don't get me wrong, but not so much. Storm spirit once he has ult It's really unpleasant game for you, especially if he has some of their supports ganking mid and Qop will do nothing at first, but she can just sit back and in the end the mid has became a WW1, where neither of you wanna start the fighting, so you just sit back, farm, once in a while one side tries something, gets pushed back but can't do anything once they are under tower. She clears your Illusions super quick with E, keeps you in check with Q, She's just pain in the ass. What I was trying to ask... I love playing these unusual picks, I know what's good for me and what's an unfavorable matchup for me and Iove playing like this... pickinf regular heroes only makes them more likely for the enemy midlaner to kniw how to play against me, but if pull up on mid with Veno? Most of the players get overconfident really quick. Is there some really weird picks, that just looks and sounds wrong? But are possible to viable? I've been juggling with the idea of Underlord or Treant on mid, still need some tuning, but I start to like these two on mid. You are essencialy unkillable like Timber or Necro, can always go the route of auras or carry and both have global pressence even if they are still on mid. Treant can heal others and towers, Underlord can snatch a rune and Portal somewhere, get a quick kill and return... I'll need to fine-tune these two more tho'

[@King-vg9ov]

Great video! Would love to see a similar one for offlane

[@shiro5157]

are you planning on making a complete video categorizing mid lane heroes? would love to see it, great video already

[@SylvanasID]

my rank is legend 5 98% it takes 1 more game to win to reach ancient 1 but this game made me lose 13 times in 2 days, and as a result I returned to legend 4, I watched this video and got a lot of knowledge, I often win lanes but still many animals always lose lanes in safelane and offlane.

[@nereco]

i won mid after watching half of this video, 10/10 watching the rest of it now to become the next topson (im archon)

[@5gcoffeecroissantbaker]

Looking to go back to dota after 6 years. Problem is, I used to only be a cheese picker meepo spammer back when 1v9 games were the norm and teamplay didnt matter in lower-mid tier mmr 😅

[@goldiluckx]

subscribed man! great content thanks

[@Vei--]

I need to link this video to everyone, such high quality

[@pablomoreno003]

Great video man, love your content

[@icata12345]

Thanks bro, this video covers everything!

[@Dentge69]

The voice crack at 6:14 is insane 😭

[@chumbogrosso5133]

This video is amazing. I'm gonna save for future reference! Ty so much sir!

[@PainDota]

Glad it was helpful!

[@marcimarc203]

Really like the ideas just two things i noted while watching this video: you repeated a lot the fact which items you need as puck. Would've loved you to elaborate maybe for different heroes (I understand if you wanted to do so for simplicity's sake but me personally I would've appreciated to hear about multiple different kinds of heroes strenghts and weaknesses and how to fix/play around them. Second I would've loved some time to breath mentally because you arranged the video to be a constant flow of information.. fair enough I could pause the video for myself to get that room to breathe but I think it could be nice if you also think of that for your next longer video :) only good vibes

[@LeetLife]

These are great ways to improve your laning, you don't have to apply everything. I climbed from Archon 1 to Legend 2 by just following one advice. Have a limited hero pool. Do not play more than 5 heroes. That will automatically make you better at Dota.

[@haithamalkilany3785]

Waow I don't deserve to be immortal, I might be a mid player maybe good at last hits and some aspects, and maybe i know most of the mechanics but actually doing it in the game is the hardest part and what even harder is making them muscle memory this will take me months, thanks this shows me why I am low immortal and on what should I work hands down best guide for people who are serious about the game or love it

[@ngardo3950]

Thank you for your knowledge Paindota!

[@sabincioflec8413]

viper + shard is a good tower destroyer, towers melt with the - armor and extra dmg

[@AshterGoutich]

Can some one pls explain to me why the puck pick at 2:30 is good. I dont like playing it vs pudge silencer or viper so just wondering any help would be much much much appreciated

[@aldrexapotledius7792]

YOU DESERVED MORE SUBS!

[@Roycuban]

archon here, my hero pool is massive, so i think but mainly i win with invoker, sf, ember, void spirit huskar. But i loose often and blame my team. Coaches have informed me mechanically im up there its my mentality but clueless still sucks.

[@Roycuban]

i also play lesh, kunka storm, puck, morphling, pugna, dk, wind, bat, necro, razor. Mostly good on the ones above.

[@Bartimeus761]

If i remember correctly the easier way to center the image on your hero is to double click on the hero portrait itself!!

[@sunfloweravocado]

I think there's also the mental part, most of the time when midlane players lose their lane they don't know what to do they tilt or whatever, yes you died 3 times move on what are you gonna do next? players play rank even when they are not in the right mental space, most of the time you have to really be focused and on synch with yourself when you play rank and mid, so yeah just be constantly thinking on what is your next move. Dota for the most part is a mental game clicking buttons and such is only a minor part of it.

[@edward222100]

from my experience, unless my team is doing amazing its gg if i lose mid. Most people in low bracket expect to be carried

[@metalunleashed]

good videa covering fundamentals. Subscribed to you for support

[@pompomzassou]

Learnt so much! Thank you!

[@SanityDota]

this channel is a goldmine of dota content..

[@arfplants]

best dota guide ever

[@kenjijohnsonsanzenin3388]

Is it posible for lone druid to be mid? If so, care yo gove some advice! sir!

[@mikkeedamo5458]

This is really amazing thank you subsribed and liked

[@callof.gaming9043]

I play this heros, Batrider, Pangulier, Dp, invoker, Storm, Ember, Puck, Primal Beast, Earth spirit, I really wish to be like you someday :)) Under 500 in EU

[@ggproplay3251]

Bro this video is FIRE!!!

[@chumaktv5386]

My cheese picks are NS and Earth Shaker, can really make someone rage if they’re not prepared

[@kunyaremarunong4128]

Update please! we have facets now, i can basically push my lane and create space with dp, mourning ritual facet, built as a sustain tank.

[@miraifx7211]

new paindoda vid 🍭

[@UfDota]

pain dota pogU! videos keep it up bro

[@kungfuseadog]

I appreciate the effort and subbed

[@AhsanDota]

very good content bro keep it up

[@PainDota]

Appreciate it

[@emilianoc9261]

Nice guide!

[@edward222100]

with the bottle info, Id also strongly reccomend not buying bottle if you are versing a hero that auto gets it like ember spirit. unless you plan to rotate often for bounty runes. an example of this if I picked a greedy hero. Im not buying bottle against ember, because i dont yet have the ability to rotate, nor do I have a chance to get the River runes

[@TR-78]

if he's getting water runes for his bottle and you're not, how do you stay in lane? A half-decent player will force you out because you don't have enough regen

[@edward222100]

@@TR-78 you are essentially building to leave lane to jungle and return to mid to defend tower. that way the enemy hero has limited opportunity to kill you

[@nawsense8809]

This video is great, thank you! I like to ask something that happen in bad matchups: for example me ember vs huskar or SF. I will not die and get what I can but the enemy will get everything so it will be unstoppable. Then teamates blame me ofc. What can you do in those situation when enemy is super strong bc of a bad matchup. I cannot face him and neither can my teammates.

[@WinsonWantBePro1]

Good video, love it.

[@randomhandle721]

Big thank you!

[@claudianreyn4529]

I play WR mid sinnce a long time. And sometimes I get Dazzle. I also play stupid mid heroes, like Enchantress 😅 I want to play Earth Spirit and Eartshaker more. The Storm Spirit, Ember Spirit and Void Spirit need a lot of practice and experience.

[@murilobonillo]

With this new att, invoker without healing on quas, need to take bottle?

[@jeremyperezo.8159]

Nice guide, nice job dog

[@jackthurlby852]

i want to narrow down my hero pool, the only hero i am set on and play regardless of meta is pick, what other 2-4 heroes should i focus on?

[@aninnocentcoconut855]

Quality guide

[@Dragon11621]

Perfect video

[@andu1168]

Great video

[@defiantjv2920]

Teach me the basic of morphling please! I feel like i panic too much that i just die with low health

[@tinkerplayer8616]

Hi. Is there anyway you can comment on the playstyle of clinkz as a mid hero?

[@HOLLYWEED2000]

Thanks you brother

[@ante4331]

whats ur mmr now bro?

[@thomas-xr6jq]

hey bro, would you say this vid still applies after the map changes? or do you plan on making an updated video?

[@PainDota]

Concepts are still valid and can be translated into any map changes. The guide goes over concepts

[@BennduR]

16:15 that is not the best block position for radiant, since the creeps split left and right on the tower. the best spot is shown in a video on my profile. it blocks the creeps all to one side so you can block harder earlier.

[@PainDota]

That used to work before, but it's kind of random now or at least i'm told so thats why i gave the position thats easier to block from for beginners

[@BennduR]

@@PainDota still working for me 100% of the time

[@experiencesoflife3007]

very informative

[@rurenzu]

I love your videos

[@captaingoli9785]

Nice job bro.

[@mahadevkasta5805]

Spitting GOLD

[@DrChill-eo4dq]

you can play whatever u want in 3k, it's either 5v5 or 1v9

[@jackalker6384]

this is amazing! can you do an update for the new patch:?