How to play Superclub! Proposed rule amendments and highlighting an underplayed rule...

[@JengibreNAK]

I'd love to see a full playthrough of this. Good work explaining the rules and such. I'm debating whether or not to purchase this game, as it looks quite fun. Like an offline version of the hattrick game I'm used to playing.

[@theboardmasters5800]

I can't wait to actually play this! Killing me that I've had it since September and haven't been able to get it to the table yet! Definitely a top priority once the game nights can start happening again. And thanks for the positive feedback - really appreciate it 👍

[@JengibreNAK]

@@theboardmasters5800 ah man I just saw that it is sold out. I waited too long!!!

[@theboardmasters5800]

@@JengibreNAK it'll be available again in a few months - sign up for their newsletter and they'll let you know when it's available again. Who knows, I might even have played it myself by then! 😂

[@theboardmasters5800]

It's available to preoorder now Craig!

[@chrisreed3385]

Agree, with your amendment idea on selling unwanted players in the off season to raise funds for new players and improvements, seems a logical thing to do in my eyes. I can’t wait for Garibaldi to be unleashed when we start playing this one!

[@theboardmasters5800]

To be fair, the selling unwanted players thing isn't a rule amendment, it's a rule in the game but they don't mention it in their how to play vid and it's buried in the bottom of the pro player rule in the rulebook so seems like something that a lot of people could miss so I just wanted to highlight it.

[@Viktor-uv9fr]

We did kinda the same with injuries and game changers for sim games. We did that the roll you do that decides the results of the game affects injuries/game changers for the attack and then we roll again two times that only effects injuries/game changers. We did take out quite a few of the game changer cards though, the most OP or worst green or red affects. Also we did our own powerhouse expansion teams which we use in a 2p game (as having the actual expansion isn't necessary. if you know how it works you can just make your own cards or write down the powerhouse teams starting positions and thirds stats and roll to see which one they get). We usually use 2 powerhouse teams in a 2p game. It's too much having to play 4 AI teams and 2 teams works very well. 3 AI teams could be a good middle ground as well. Your rule regarding the unhappy players seems good. But it feels like it will come into play very rarely, as you have to get up to a total stars/starting position that is higher than you finished last season. Let's say even if you only got 6p last season, you would still have to get at least 7 stars or probably more during the off season. But yeah I still think it could be a good rule.

[@theboardmasters5800]

Credit to you for having the initiative to create your own Powerhouse expansion! Just checking, is the unhappy player rule you mentioned the one where a team in a higher division can buy them or they refuse to play for the season? If so, that isn't my rule. It's in the rulebook.

[@Viktor-uv9fr]

@@theboardmasters5800 yeah I know, I meant your change of the rule. I like it but mentioned that I think your change will very rarely come in to play.

[@chrislobb6440]

On your injury in sim games rule could you not roll one dice after 1-2 is defence, 3-4 is midfield, 5-6 is attack with the overflow becoming a gamechanger. Also wouldnt someone just sub in all their reserves to protect from possible injuries.

[@theboardmasters5800]

You certainly could do that to determine the position, maybe with an additional roll to determine which player in that row takes the injury... As for subbing in reserves, you could have a rule where they have to use the same lineup as the previous game (only changes for injuries/suspensions) or they have to use the same lineup for the next game. In theory, this shouldn't be an issue with the Powerhouses Expansion but I haven't had a chance to table that yet...

[@slo6026]

question, why not have it that when playing a simulated game, if you roll a double then treat it as you normally would?

[@slo6026]

HA..sorry just got to that part in your video!! obviously we think alike!

[@JD1611]

An issue I have with doubles leading to injuries is that you can easily get double the punishment. Let's say I roll double 2, this is already very likely to cost me that section of the match unless my team is significantly better than my opponent's AND then I also have deal with the injury because whichever section of the pitch is currently in play will have at least two players in it. I'm not sure how I would best suggest this be evened out, perhaps swap things over so that if you roll a double and you do have a player in that position, you take a Game Changer card (since these are mostly things that you can play in the following game like VAR or Magic ice spray) and if you roll a double where you don't have a player then your opponent gets to choose a player in the current section that receives the injury (naturally they would always pick the best player so this isn't especially balanced either but would remove the chance of rolling a low number and getting an injury). Another rule amendment I'd make is to do with Training. It's totally unrealistic that a 1 star player can become a 6 star player in the space of one off-season, but I don't think it's necessary to remove the potential for that from the game completely. Instead, I would propose that a manager must declare what level they are attempting to train the player up to. For example, as before, a 1 star player with 6 star potential could become 6 stars straight away with a roll of a 6 but anything above 1 would cause growth (under the current rules) but if you were forced to say 'I will attempt to train this player to 4 star level' then rolling a 4,5, or 6 would result in the player becoming 4 stars and a 1,2 or 3 would result in the training failing, this would encourage managers to look to grow their players with high potential a little slower and add an additional element of risk taking in deciding how far you're going to attempt to push them in one training phase.

[@theboardmasters5800]

There's definitely an issue with injuries as you've said - not only is it double jeopardy within the match but it also discourages play against other people, instead of auto matches, which completely defeats the point. I guess, like in real life, the double jeopardy is kind of the point though. As for training, whilst I definitely agree with you in terms of realism, I don't see it as too much of an issue due to the low odds of it but, thanks to Covid, I still haven't got it to the table yet so I haven't seen it in practice...

[@JD1611]

@@theboardmasters5800 Same here, looking forward to trying it out with a group at some point.

[@theboardmasters5800]

I can't wait until I can actually get some playthrough videos up on the channel!

[@slo6026]

another question, why do we sim with the dice, why not make random teams like the super league teams? The game should come with 20 teams or so to randomly put into your league. I think that would be great. thoughts. FYI I just ordered my game so I have never played it, sorry if my thoughts wont work.

[@theboardmasters5800]

I think that would be a great option and something that'd be relatively easy to achieve, especially if they had them in tiers - you wouldn't stand much chance against the Superclubs whilst you're a mid table club for example. Don't know how much time it'd add to the playthrough time though...

[@bz2886]

Players are essentially currency, but you can only sell in off-season. Playing out of position penalty we use double, 1 or 2 star. You have to roll both dice together and at basically the same time as your opponent. Agree about the sim/game changer but hopefully the powerhouse set will fix that issue. We don't use the unhappy players rule for now tbh.

[@theboardmasters5800]

We found, in 2 player at least, the unhappy rule came up so infrequently that it was close to irrelevant sadly - fun when it did pop up though. Really need to get it to the table with the Powerhouse expansion...

[@bz2886]

@@theboardmasters5800 I'm going to round up some friends and family for a game some point soon and see what the full experience is.

[@nikosv3306]

Preety late to the all superclub party. I have a proposal for this injury thing. Sim matches are real life teams for example u can select 1 team that is really weak so u can offer the option for rotation to avoid injuries 1 team on similar footing same as most of the player teams in the game or 2 if u are 2 players then 1 very good team that u would probably lose to that will be there and chip points from u and ur friend(s) or maybe offer opportunities for rotating players to not risk an injury against playing a realy weak side or a team w/o a real opportunity to win over. Powerhouses expansion maybe would adress the simulation to a more complex strategy for a more hardcore experience really feeling like a manager/club boss making decisions. Also a real fun opportunity for ur friends to laugh at u for drawing to mexico city or a mad jealousy rush after u high rolled 2 11's to beat madrid or whoever u might have on the strong category.

[@theboardmasters5800]

I'm hoping the Powerhouses expansion will address it in some way because there isn't really an easy alternative. Your suggestion would work but would take a lot of work given that you'd have to house rule that you can get injuries in sim matches, then find a way to judge what games are winnable or not, etc.

[@nikosv3306]

I am really curious to find what the new expansion would be all about... though

[@theboardmasters5800]

@@nikosv3306 yeah I'm really excited for that! Wonder if it'll be a continuation of their Arsenal and Man City expansions...

[@theboardmasters5800]

@@nikosv3306 based on the latest post on their Facebook page, it looks like the Powerhouse expansion will provide teams that don't require a manager so, I'm guessing, it'll remove the necessity to sim matches as you can play against ai controlled teams!

[@milvano1534]

I think it would also be fun if you could sell players to other people for the scouting price and if nobody wants that player you could sell him to the bank.

[@theboardmasters5800]

It could work but, in my experience, you only really sell players like that when you're clearing out the 1/2 star players in your squad to make room for better players to boost your squad strength. In that scenario, other players have no interest in the players that are being sold... You could certainly house rule that if you wanted though.

[@ianbayliss4896]

Is there a limit on squad size and if you sell squad players surely your overal team value on the 100 point tracker goes down