How to point farm optimally in the diadem for botanist and miner at level 90

[@UrickSan92]

That instance hop trick for the rare nodes is amazing! For miner, hopping for astral rocks saves a metric ton of time!

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Yep 😁

[@aliasanon4174]

I wouldn't recommend using Pioneer's Gift as a way to burn GP on nodes 1-7, but instead use just one attempt with Bountiful Harvest II. At my Perception, Grade 4's have a base chance of 49% of Gatherer's Boon hitting. With 5 attempts per node, that's an average of 2.45 extra materials per node without using any buffs. Using Pioneer's Gift I for 50gp increases that to 59% or 2.95 mats per node, and using Pioneer's Gift II for 100gp increases it to 79% or 3.95 bonus mats per node. Using both costs 150gp and takes you to 89% for 4.45 bonus mats per node. Using Bountiful Harvest II for one turn costs 100gp and gives you a guaranteed extra 3 mats per node, however you also still get the base 49% chance for Gatherer's Boon worth 2.45 bonus mats per node. Bountiful Harvey II on average grants a total of 5.45 bonus mats per node for 100gp. Both Pioneer's Gifts on average grants one less material and costs an extra 50gp. As for node 8, you're better off saving GP by only using Blessed Harvest II than you are using all of your GP on buffs. tl;dr - Don't use Pioneer's Gift. Only use Bountiful Harvest on nodes 1-7 if you're close to your GP cap. And only use Blessed Harvest on node 8. This is the most efficient way I've found to grind for points in Diadem.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Thanks for the advice

[@aerialdive]

As a firmament saint from botanist I can confirm this is the best way

[@SeedlingNL]

To craft all 100 expert items for each of the 8 crafting job achievements for a phase (ie, for phase 2 it's "The Height of ..."), you need to gather a total of 14k BTN and 14k MIN items per phase. But to get the BTN and MIN achievements of the same name (Again, for phase 2, "The Height of...") you need to gather 50k on BTN and 50k on MIN. Even with crafting failures and overgathering pushing that to 15k, you need to gather an additional 70k items per phase, or 210k total. And you cannot do anything with said items other then expert craft them into items for a pittance in points... I guess you could sell them on the MB for a low amount of gil, but it's still an insane timesink for what is essentially 60 achievement points...

[@castoputa]

Omg you’re a saviour! I’ve been dying to know about this, thank you ❤️

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Someone suggested it on my community post. Didn't even know gathering boon was applied now.

[@Asha414]

Oh man I’ve started trying to do this in between content now, thank you so much for these tips!

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Your welcome

[@BellaNocturne805]

Zane thank you so much for showing tips for gathering, now I will gather more materials from Diadem. Those achievements are insane, and I know it will take forever. lol

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Your welcome it's definitely a grind.

[@BellaNocturne805]

I joined today too because I want to support all the work that you do. @@ZaneLionhartffxiv

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Oh ty so much how would you like to be addressed in the recognition section of the videos?

[@kodikun]

Much appreciated! Any plans to do a guide for hand of creation at level 90?

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

I tried but rotation was inconsistent cp was all over the place due to pliant frequency. Hopefully in 6.1

[@myfebronia3570]

Great route you've found, thank you from Jenova!

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Reddit found it I just spreading the word

[@myfebronia3570]

@@ZaneLionhartffxiv I see, I don't spend too much time there so thank you for making a visual guide ^^ - Febronia Shio

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

@@myfebronia3570 I don't either i just googled it lol.

[@chillbreeze7737]

Hello! Thank you for the guide! Is it possible for you to list the Materia you used to meld for each of your gear slots? Thank you so much!

[@Cauti0n69]

Wow another amazingly helpful video for me

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Your welcome

[@zegichiban]

Is there a similar guide for fishing for points? I generally find fishing more confusing than mining and botany, so a bit confused as to how I should consider trying to get 500k for fishing.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Ppl keep asking so I'll make it my next priority video.

[@RedScion-ng4fb]

Will you be doing a point farm optimal way for crafters too?

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

In 6.1 we will see.

[@SeedlingNL]

For crafters, you will hit 150k points at the same time you turn in the last of the 100 expert crafts for grade 4. (Assuming you did the 100 grade 2 and 100 grade 3 as well.) I did these with a lvl 90 mix of white/green gear, penta-melded but not everything max level, and with food i will always hit the 3rd tier of collectable using two macros, if not maxing out quality outright. 2nd macro has 3 variants depending on CP remaining after first macro sets up progress and 10 stacks of IQ: 188 CP, 220 CP and 252 CP. 252 CP one is overkill but had its uses when I didn't have green gear yet, but you can get lucky with green status and end up with enough leftover CP for a 284 CP or 316 CP one :D (Especially if you ALSO use CP potions, but those are optional if you can hit third collectable tier without it) I reckon it will be even easier with Dawntrail lvl 100 gear. It's still a grind, and make sure you check your crystals before starting a crafting session.. I hit that roadblock a few times :P

[@Lecruidant]

Appreciate the vid, but idk. 3 hour lockout and leaving with 12k points out of 500k isn't all that great. This shit is far too insane compared to the crafting aspect that gives you dicktons of Points for far less time.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Agreed it's a grind but I got miner fisher done botanist left and crafting is left. Thankfully I can do it easy.

[@JackJack-uq9qt]

hmm is it better to run 2 routes zigzagging or just stick to one? Im doing it for the mount but i dont know which strat would yield the most points..

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Better to stick to one route

[@SuperPurpleheys]

Does anyone know why node 8 isn't giving additional gathering attempts? I've tried this so many times and the gathering attempts are always the same as nodes 1-7

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

According to mine it says need 858 gp for it. Then again I'm level 90 so I don't know if it's a level thing.

[@SuperPurpleheys]

my GP is 820 so that's why then thanks! Didn't think my GP would prevent the node from giving me more attempts, but looks like I'll have to change my melds! thank you for the help! your video's are awesome@@ZaneLionhartffxiv

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Your welcome. Try using food instead if remelding is going to be a pain.

[@seed8325]

How much more points can be acquired using hi cordials over the 3 hours? I'm currently getting g 19-20k points per 3 hour session using regular HQ cordials... but the time farming scrips to buy hi-cordials also has to be taken into account? Do.i just stick to regular cordials or go gather up a thousand hi-cordials? Please advise :)

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Well I been testing a new method. I been doing both routes side by side using my gp on gathering attempts 5 only and using regular cordials on second attempt 5. Got 9kish points in hr and a half but I lost concentration and lost some time. In your case I would stock on high cordials and then go back in. That's alot of points for Three hrs.

[@seed8325]

@@ZaneLionhartffxiv thanks for the reply. i should say between 18-19500k realistically and that was going pretty hard. il look into stocking up on hi cordials but il need so many to do both botanist and miner that in the time it takes me to get as many as il need i couldve probably farmed 40k points? will the hi cordials be worth farming in this case.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Well if you look at it the other way regaining gp naturally and just gathering without using gp on certain nodes. Your using the cordial farming time to farm points instead. But at a less efficient rate.

[@seed8325]

@Zane Lionhart I do t know what to do >< I have done all crafting achievements in game.. thought I'd start on the hardest gathering achievement first and work down to easiest. I just want to be as efficient as possible

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

If you want efficiency get the cordials.

[@cal5365]

God this shit still takes too long optimally. Already got hand of creation and now stuck with this mess

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Yeah what was square enix thinking making it 500,000 points each lol.

[@abaeta]

​@@ZaneLionhartffxiv What pisses me off is that not only did they know it was a heavy grind, but it got worse over time. When it was grade 1 I remember getting 1206 points with full collectability in an expert recipe, but now I get a maximum of 1194 per craft. There was a time when mats gave 15 or 14 points in DoL, but now all except umbral give only 13. It is an incentive to use bots. 250 hours over and over just in DoL to collect 500K.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

I remember doing two weeks straight of miner gathering for saint title. And bots turned in everything at last day. Boy I was pissed and still I wasn't even half way to 500k it was brutal.

[@abaeta]

@@ZaneLionhartffxiv I know someone who used a bot, it was 24 hours gathering while he was doing other things outside the game and voila, 500K easily.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Why even play videogames if they gonna cheat? It's defeats the purpose of playing

[@TheRapidVengeance]

is this still good to go ? just unlocked it,yes im late to the party as allways lol

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Yeah it's still good.

[@bulletimemu2921]

I’m a bit late to the game. Is there any point to doing the firmament other than lvling and glamour/mounts etc?

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Only thing I say is do the quests inside. There is two custom delivery clients tied to them which are useful in getting scrips if you're a crafter. Other than that if the rewards from doing the firmament don't interest you then you can skip it. but there is alot of good stuff you can get like you said glam mounts dyes music etc.

[@bulletimemu2921]

@@ZaneLionhartffxiv yes got some glams and minions. Got 100k points on weaver in a day and a half so I suppose the grind is a lot easier now for the pterodactyl mount. I’ll stick with it in there. Thanks for the route it has helped

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

@@bulletimemu2921 awesome goodluck

[@Ryomaaaaaaaaa]

What's the use of those points? I might have missed it

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Get 500k in all gathering crafting jobs u get a pterodactyl mount

[@Ryomaaaaaaaaa]

@@ZaneLionhartffxiv so u have to get 500k on every job? If i have done fishing 500k do i also have to do it all over again with botanist?

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

@@Ryomaaaaaaaaa yep every job lol.

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

@@Ryomaaaaaaaaa se wants us to suffer lol

[@Ramotttholl]

id personally much rather shoot the elemenal beast for some good amount of crystals then get a few more mats as i need crystals to transform the mats to point

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

If your low on crystals yeah

[@JunglingFist]

People staying on one island sounds bonkers to me The flying time to backtrack can't be worth it imo Just go in a circle you can even do both paths at the same time means less travel time more points per minute I was talking about this with someone in the diadem and they linked this video and even after watching it I'm confused why people think this is the optimal way for points...

[@ZaneLionhartffxiv]

Well you do what works for you.