How to Pray Fatima Prayer in Latin (Dr Marshall Rosary Course #11)

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[@JenniMeer]

I suggested that we start a Latin rosary group to Father this morning. He turned the idea to our music minister and they are both considering my request.

[@ApostoladoPetrino]

Number 3 is the best translation. Very accurate.

[@angelalemos9811]

I agree one hundred percent

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

Since the Fatima Prayers were originally given in Portuguese, and Portuguese is my first language, this is the only prayer I don't say in Latin, and it'll continue to be so. Good short series on the Rosary though.

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

​@Ggl Lab1 FWIW, saying it is pretty easy if you can pronounce Ecclesiastical Latin, Italian or Spanish, possibly the only tricky part (I know I'm a bit biased, ofc, but I do think the rest is pretty straightforward) is the "nh" diphthong, which is said just like the "gn" in Eccl. Latin/Italian :)

[@RX7FDfreak]

Nothing wrong with that!

[@rubensoto6089]

Number four is the one that the Franciscans of the Immaculate use in their community prayer booklet.

[@FrankRios2b]

I personally use #3. I've been using it for almost 2 years when I pray the Rosary.

[@TheVetusMores]

Taylor is correct; there is no "official" version. I used to say version #4 years ago. But for those who may be interested, the SSPX's version goes thusly: "Nostris O JESU, debitis indulge erue nos ab ignibus inferni. Cælique portas universis pande miseris præsertim."

[@andang7005]

So this is the version that SSPX seminarians pray in the seminary?

[@TheVetusMores]

@@andang7005 Yes.

[@SaeloVaehrker]

I'm frustrated he didn't include this one.

[@TheVetusMores]

@@SaeloVaehrker Outside the Society, it's not well known at all. In fact, I'm yet to see it reprinted anywhere else.

[@murphyfamily6927]

Thank you so much 🤗

[@monicadustin7212]

Taylor. I love it that you explained these prayers for us but wish you would also post just the prayer so we can put it on repeat. Easier to learn… thanks! I love these videos!

[@jordanwingerter1043]

Find a written version of it and make it the lock screen of wall paper on you're phone. Everytime you pick up or look at you're phone you will see it it helped me learn pretty quickly

[@g0-g069]

Excited 🙌 cannot wait for the 📿

[@clarekuehn4372]

You can look up the prayers. 😍

[@g0-g069]

@@clarekuehn4372 Thank you. ⚘

[@angelalemos9811]

just so you know those beads are from a non catholic religion. It isn't the rosary. I have heard that they are from Islam

[@KbB-kz9qp]

When I pray the original parts of the Rosary in Latin, because of everything you note in the video, I simply say the Fatima add-on to the Glory Be, in English. 🙂✝️ Ken

[@Guanajuatoeddie]

So do I….

[@KbB-kz9qp]

@@Guanajuatoeddie 😀 ✝️

[@auntieyoda]

Me, too! 😇

[@angelalemos9811]

That's what I did when I didn't know the Latin version (s) yet

[@albertito77]

Good so that means you can learn #3 a fresh

[@ramonad7685]

This a great series Dr. Marshall. Loving it. 👍👍👍

[@ivelissereyes3743]

This is the one me and my family pray. O mi Jesu, dimite nobis debita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferni, perduc in caelum omnes animas, preasertim eas quae misericuediae tuae maxime indigent. Amen

[@jenss.3613]

"Your mercy" is *not* part of the original prayer!

[@ivelissereyes3743]

@@jenss.3613 O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy. Amen.

[@ivelissereyes3743]

@@jenss.3613 If that is not the original Fatima prayer, can you share the original with me? Because I can clearly read "Thy Mercy" in the one I know in English and also in Spanish. Thank you

[@jenss.3613]

@@ivelissereyes3743 the prayer in Portuguese, as given by our Lady of Fatima, did not contain "Your Mercy", but just " especially those most in need". When and how these words were added in english translations, I do not know. But if you are looking for a faithful translation, I'd suggest to just go without those words.

[@italuswikiano1191]

This is the one I've used, but forgot where I fouind it, ending...."libera nos ab ignibus inferi, ed induca omnes animas ad caelum, maxime' eos in maximo pericolo." As an Italian, I really like the sound of this last clause.

[@intibella394]

Thank you

[@cindybraxton3742]

Thank you brother Taylor!

[@JamesSmith-ge2sg]

I like version #4 because that is the one that I have almost memorized.

[@angelalemos9811]

not a bad one to have

[@albertito77]

Sunk costs fallacy. I memorised 1 and that is not a reason to keep using it

[@ThuyBui-oz1wr]

Another great Lesson, and my favourite one is number 4. Thank you Dr Taylor Marshall!

[@kellytrawick897]

Love this. We are currently learning to recite the rosary in Latin in Our Legion of Mary meetings, this will be of great help, although the Fatima prayer is not recited w/ our rosary, at our meetings. I will use it in my personal rosaries. Thank you.

[@chrystalfonseca2512]

Thanks God Bless all you do for His glory & God reward You .Latin rosary ebook with pronunciation of words in phonetics in english side page of rosary in latin thanks

[@gentlelamb5199]

Thank you for sharing the most important thing as Catholics we can be doing during these time of times...pray as if souls (ours most certainly included) depended on our earnest effort. My dad, a dairy farmer in the 1960's, would come in for and while waiting to be called for lunch would daily kneel by his bed and pray the prayers of the Holy Mass in spiritual union with those said for the massive amount of farm work prevented the possibility to attend in person. My dad praying and working so hard for us his family made a deep impression on me my whole life....so pray dads pray... your example does not go unnoticed. Also if Priests must go into hiding we can still pray with them as a last resort.

[@mzarate6288]

Dr. Marshall thank you very much for the instruction. I am a recent listener to your channel. I really am catching up with your excellent videos on the Rosary and those covering important topics for the church. It was great to watch those with your guest speakers on Third Secret of Fatima and Our Lady of Akita. I am one that grew up with the Novus Ordo. Our parish priests on Our Lady of Queen of Peace have been very faithful. I have been in other churches so I understand about the irregularities which any faithful Catholics would disapprove. I was astonished once when a person approached communion one hand extended for the Host the other with a cup of Dunkin Donut cup of coffee. Even the priest was shocked. Such thoughtless disrespect to Our Lord is hard to fathom. I totally agree with Bishop Athanasius that the Novus Ordo mass has to come closer to the TLM. I once attended a TLM I was speechless and in awe with the beauty and reverence of it. Our Lord is very humble, I can assure you there are devout faithful in the Novus Ordo. I do not agree that the TLM should be suppressed I am praying fervently for this not to happen. Please pray for us. God bless you, your wife and children. You came to mind this am when reading in the Lauds prayers for the Feast of St. Teresa of Avila. “ Those who are learned will be as radiant as the sky in all it’s beauty; those who instruct the people in goodness will shine like the stars for all eternity.” Thank you Dr. Marshall. Blessed be God forever!

[@robertbosson5223]

V4 is the one Cardinal Burke uses so that's the one for me as well.

[@joolz5747]

Hi Taylor You make me smile.😊 I am an older cradle Catholic who is probably in trouble with you and your viewers. I am so not into Latin. In my 1950’s Catholic grammar school we had Latin every single day. Plus in every single music class we had to learn all the Latin from mass! No fun music! Oh my goodness, how happy I was and still am to pray from my heart of deep understanding in English. Glad ya all love Latin so much. But I suspect there are many other very devout Catholics who may agree with me! Most probably are not following you. But whatever. I checked you out today. Not my thing but God bless you. ✝️🙏😊

[@fernandom.olimencarnacao2252]

I am Portuguese from Portugal and I learnt the A version since my childhood without the word "socorrei". It is a C version, let´s say! The word "alminhas" signifies a bit more affection than "almas" but could signifies also souls in purgatory for old people.

[@WaltDanker]

The KZbin videos I follow for the Latin rosary uses #4, so that is the one I have near to from memory. I'd love to learn how to say it in Portuguese (St. Lucia ver) -- that seems like the best choice since that is how it was given to us. Loved this video because I did not know much of this at all.

[@causalaetitiae]

I used to pray this one: O mi Iesu, remitte (dimitte) nobis peccata nostra, custodi nos ab igne inferni, attrahe omnes animas ad caelum, precipue illas maxime egentes misericordiae tuae. Thanks for the video, Dr. Marshall!

[@afrosteeve]

Thank you for this lesson Dr. Marshall. I've been praying the most common English version and the third Latin prayer as I found it in a TFP Rosary book (they were founded in Brazil whick explains why they have that one).

[@sebastianmauricio775]

We have been saying #4. I like #3 - first time seeing this. I agree this is the closest to the Portuguese.

[@valerioluizfelipe]

Being Brazilian myself, I have only known the 4th Latin version, all others are new to me. We also add "da vossa misericórdia" ("of thy mercy"), at least here in my neighborhood's chapel when we pray the rosary, so it's not only an English innovation.

[@joechicago9762]

Definitely the last 2 were the one's but my fav is the last one, it evokes the Pater Noster and is the way I've always said it as a Polish 1st gen American.

[@user-or1ye3iz6d]

Thank you.

[@jesusmariajosephmariaimmac9325]

Praying Christ !!!

[@agnusdei6716]

Helpful because there are a bajillion versions of it in Portuguese...

[@dankmatter3068]

#3 all the way

[@mariaelenaalonso-sierra924]

I pray 4 all the time. But being a Spanish speaker, and studied Latin, number 3 is the closest to the Portuguese version. Although I don’t say conduc, I say perduc. I will try to memorize #3 and pray that. When I’m praying with others, I’ll pray #4.

[@PLA5207]

Number 3 is the prayer I utilize in Latin. I like it the best. What say you all?

[@jherna9960]

I prefer 4th one. But number 1 version is mostly said in the parish I go to for TLM. Every time we pray rosary some of seem of us seem to clash when reciting Fatima prayer.

[@advoluntas]

Nossa Senhora de Fátima, rogai por nós. Francisco e Jacinta, rogai por nós. São Miguel Arcanjo, defendei-nos no combate Our Lady of Fátima, pray for us. Francisco and Jacinta, pray for us. St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle.

[@tradpinoy]

i use #4.

[@juancarlosjarquin6281]

In spanish is the same as the actual Portuguese that doesn't mention "little souls"; it says "almas = animas = souls". And also, the Most Holy Virgin never said "forgive us our sins" nor "those in most need of Thy mercy". Here it is the original translation from Portuguese: "When you pray the rosary, say after each mystery: "". (This formula was written by His Excellency Mr. Amaral, third Bishop of Fatima - Oct. 72 to Feb. 93 - from the first interviews, and by Sr. Lucia in her memoirs, and she strongly recommends that we say it as it came “from the lips of Our Lady”).

[@shirleyeliakis2488]

Personally, the 4th prayer is most comfortable.

[@zoylagrace2494]

Number four 👍🏼🥰

[@erikfender5996]

The FSSP have #2 in their prayer book Vade Mecum.

[@Guanajuatoeddie]

I use the 4 one but my words are twisted up. Thank you for the clarification

[@fosterparent7477]

Cardinal Burke says version 4 of the Latin version.

[@marcosleaoteodosio5496]

I guess we should ask Blessed Mary a good latin version of It, one to be used in the whole church. Oremus.

[@guillermomarciano1390]

The Fatima prayers I do in Portuguese. It is the original language and the translations I have seen in English and Latin are not accurate.

[@angelalemos9811]

This could be done as well

[@marcosleaoteodosio5496]

I actually used to pray It in portuguese, cause It is my mother language. But once I started realizing the graces of praying in latin, and noticed the issues in existing translations, I had to come up with my own.

[@albertito77]

Which of Taylor's four is the best?

[@guillermomarciano1390]

@@albertito77 following is the one I learned: Ó meu Jesus, perdoai-nos, e livrai-nos do fogo do inferno, levai as alminhas todas para o Céu e socorrei principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem.

[@albertito77]

@@guillermomarciano1390 there's nothing wrong with praying it in Portuguese, BTW.

[@012re012]

I'm from Brazil, and I've never heard it in version B.

[@Riposte821]

Is Spanish I would translate it as such: O Jesus mio, perdonanos Y libranos del fuego del Infierno Lleva a todas las almitas al Cielo Principalmente aquellas que mas lo necesitan This is virtually a literal translation of the Portuguese version.

[@fatimacamargo3246]

Assim rezamos no Brasil

[@iwnl_vale]

As a Brazilian, I give up praying it in Latin. I'll pray it in portuguese and it'll be better no matter what.

[@gemmajoseph7541]

Domine Jesu, dimite nobis debita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferiori perduc in caelum omnes animas praesertim eas quae misericordiae tuae maxime indigent. Amen I think so

[@ivelissereyes3743]

This is the one I use but I start with O mi Jesu and I say inferni, no inferiori

[@albertito77]

III. whilst Jesus hears a shockingly bad translation and shows us his mercy, we should always try to offer him our best

[@albertito77]

You gotta do a best St Michael's into English one

[@elviravaldes2538]

Your second half of the Fatima prayer is the modernist version. The original traditional words of BVM’s Fatima prayer: “O my Jesus forgive us! Save us from the fire of hell. Relieve the souls in Purgatory, especially the most abandoned.” Refer to Page 140 & Pages 75-76 of “The Rosarian’s Handbook of the Society of The Rosary Altar” Oct 1,1942 Imprimatur +Francis J. Spellman, D.D. Archbishop of New York In Latin: “O mi Iesu. Dimitte nobis debita nostra. Libera nos ab igne inferni. Subvenire animas in purgatorio, præsertim eas quæ maxime destituo.” The second half of the Fatima prayer specifically refers to the souls in Purgatory. Modernists later removed any reference to Purgatory because it would "offend" Protestants.

[@madisonturner4]

#3 13:00

[@senterman01]

Would you be able to teach the Hail Holy Queen and St. Michael prayer in Latin when you have time, please?

[@petargrgec254]

Animulas. "O Jesu mi, ignosce nobis, libera nos ab igne inferni, ad caelum trahe omnes animulas [little, poor souls], praesertim maxime indigentes [the poorest, most in need]." "Divine Heart of Jesus, convert sinners, save the dying, deliver the holy souls in purgatory." "O Lord God almighty, I pray Thee, by the Precious Blood which Thy Divine Son Jesus shed in the garden, deliver the souls in purgatory, and especially that soul amongst them all which is most destitute of spiritual aid; and vouchsafe to bring it to Thy glory, there to praise and bless Thee forever. Amen."

[@prolife9531]

Since I have 6 versions in writing, one would think that after +100 years, the learned without an agenda or personal view could properly and emphatically translate Our Lady's Fatima prayer 100% accurate per the Portuguese as a constant universal standard since the prayer came directly from Her. FWIW, we have no such difficulty with the Lord's Prayer. Right?

[@brunagiuntoli6957]

Dr Marshall, it happens that there are slight differences on the Brazilian Portuguese and the one from Portugal.

[@angelalemos9811]

With all due respect on that I think we only need to be concerned with the European version as she appeared in Portugal in this specific apparition, not Brazil. Plus it's not the same language, when choosing to learn you either pick PORTUGUESE meaning from Europe or you pick Brazilian. I don't think we need to explain further as to why we are not going to be using their version of the language at least to determine accuracy.

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

​@@angelalemos9811 It's the same language tho, and there is no such thing as "Brazilian" when it comes to language... The difference between the two is really only found on idioms and accent, being pretty much negligible when it comes to formal text. That said, the version I hear the most in Brazil is the one with "almas", not "alminhas", and it is, therefore, wrong and risking universalism, and for that reason I always share the original version whenever I hear someone say the wrong one.

[@angelalemos9811]

@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit Well EU portuguese is influenced heavily by slavic as well and not all spelling is the same to the point they can't be called the same thing. There is a big difference even more than the spanish because more often than not we cannot understand one another and that's the point I want to get across. Especially for deciphering, it makes no sense to include the Brazilian way when she didn't appear there in the Fatima apparition. She wouldn't have talked to us as a brazilian.

[@Dontatang]

✝️

[@marieclark7582]

I haven't found an analysis of this prayer. Who is meant by "especially those most in need of Your mercy." Is it those in pergatory? Those who were baptised or in faith and turned away? Those who are possessed by evil? Atheists? Typically we pray for all. I want to know any theology, guidance, interpretation, etc. On who is "especially in need" or why. I want to go deeper with that phrase in my prayer.

[@angelalemos9811]

Now this one I could never find a good one of so thank you very much for this video, and for being knowledgeable enough to tackle the O My Jesus wars going on😂 . Portuguese here so I can understand the originals perfectly and I would be able to translate them into English, and as a Portuguese speaker I am more trusting of the second version or Sister Lucia's version. The first one even in our own language just seems so extra for a lack of a better phrase. The second one gets the same message across without certain words I feel is unnecessary. I find myself liking the THIRD one the best BUT I also tolerate the fourth. I just don't like the dimitte nobis debita nostra as the translation for this particular prayer. It doesn't satisfy me hence why I choose the third. I am surprised you didn't call that out a little more in the first one. As for what the Brazilian said I would like to clarify. The Portuguese use the word alminhas to in fact make sweeter and have it hit you in the same way that poor souls does in English AND it DOES in fact mean little souls. What the Brazilian meant I'm assuming is that we can address others that way to since it's like saying poor souls. So let's say we saw a little child begging on the street for money we would say "A pobre alminha" meaning the poor little soul. Just like English people might use the phrase "poor soul or souls" for one or multiple individuals in a non theological discussion. HOWEVER when used in such a context it's more obvious that it's referring to the Holy Souls in purgatory. I wish I could talk to you about this so that I can answer all your questions as a Portuguese speaker. Needless to say you can listen to what that brother said in relation to how we use it.

[@yolandamartinez2538]

I like your explanation, it makes sense. Why do you not like phrase de bita nostra in the prayer?

[@albertito77]

I'm just a humble English speaker, but it always seemed to me that copy-pasting the phrase from the Lords Prayer was a bit silly. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. If the Portuguese speaker says that #3 is best then we'd better lodyne to her 🤣🤣

[@angelalemos9811]

@@yolandamartinez2538 Alberto hit the nail on the head for the most part you can tell it was done as a way to include something there without actually delving into the Latin language all that much to see what would be best for this particular case, making it obvious and silly. I will say though that it's not invalid or completely wrong but number three put the thought and WORK into actually translating it as accurately as possible. That 's why I am not a fan of that phrase here but it works well for the OUR FATHER. Here there is just forgive us, no need for the extra tag a longs. Hope that helps.🥰

[@ninaluz8710]

I pray the Rosary in Portuguese with my family well over 40 yrs (55y/o) Latin version #4 🙏

[@baronvonfuppster4717]

I just pray this in English

[@palisadesk7762]

@DrTaylorMarshall I use the Our Lady of Fatima Rosary Crusade format and the only one of the prayers I can't find in Latin is the prayer of the Angel of Portugal that begins "Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.." (etc - it is longer than the O My Jesus decade prayer). Like the decade prayer, it does not have an "official" Latin version but can you point me to any options?

[@rjc199]

To all the Portuguese speakers here. Please give us the original prayer in Portuguese and a literal translation into English.

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

I'm sure the usual English translation is perfectly acceptable, probably even better than mine, but I think I did a good enough job. 🇵🇹🇧🇷 "Ó meu Jesus, perdoai-nos, livrai-nos¹ do fogo² do inferno; levai as alminhas³ todas para o Céu, principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem." 🇬🇧🇺🇸"Oh my Jesus, forgive us, deliver us¹ from the fires² of hell; Take/lead all 'little souls'³ to Heaven, mainly those who need it the most." ¹The "deliver us from evil" bit in the Our Father is "livrai-nos do mal" in Portuguese, so I'm just using the same wording. ²In Portuguese it is in the singular form, but I feel like in English it makes more sense in the plural form, it's the same thing though. ³Okay, this one is a curious part: "little souls" = "alminhas" because "alminhas" is the diminutive of "almas", however, in Portugal (where the Fatima apparition happened, as I'm sure you know) there is more context to the use of "alminhas" rather than simply "almas". You see, in Portugal there are these wayside shrines called "Alminhas" which are meant to represent the souls in Purgatory. Now, I know there are Catholic wayside shrines all over the world, but they are mostly just that, wayside shrines, maybe for a specific Saint but mostly just a place for a quick stop and prayer, but not for any specific intention, but there isn't a culture of building them with the specific intent of representing (including through the imagery) the souls in Purgatory, except for in Portugal (even here in Brazil the closest thing to it I can think of are small crosses or sort of miniature, i.e. usually about 60cm high, chapels alongside roads which indicated places where deadly accidents happened, but those are more for the person in the accident than for the souls in Purgatory as a whole). All that is to say that requesting to lead "all souls" to heaven is only meant to represent those souls in Purgatory, not some universalist thing.

[@rjc199]

@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit Thanks for that great explanation, especially about the little purgatorial souls. A seminarian friend of mine knows another seminarian that would not pray the Fatima prayer because he thought the "lead all souls to heaven" was a universalist plea. It's good to know it means more than that in Portuguese.

[@terrim9323]

Thank you❣️

[@rogers3157]

@@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit I can just imagine that the Fatima children knew exactly what "alminhas" meant and stopped every day at the wayside shrines on the way to the pastures to pray for the departed!

[@tonyhabong4851]

Which one do think we should learn

[@StephaneColibri]

May I make a suggestion? This also adds the diminutive of 'souls'. Tell me what ya think ;3 O mi Iesu, indulge peccata nostra, libera nos ab igne inferni, ad caelum trahe omnes animulas, praesaertim maxime indigentes.

[@pauljeromecasanova4712]

This is a serious question looking for a truthful answer for the benefit of confidence. It is not posed to create a separate discussion. A simple answer will suffice. When you say the one that Sister Lucia gave, WHEN did she give it? As you know, there is abundant credible evidence that an imposter sister Lucia appeared upon the scene under the putative reign of Bishop Montini. I’m hoping to learn the version she gave before Roncalli claimed the Papal throne. Hopefully she did.

[@elviravaldes2538]

Taylor Marshall's second half of the Fatima prayer is the modernist version. The original traditional words of BVM’s Fatima prayer: “O my Jesus forgive us! Save us from the fire of hell. Relieve the souls in Purgatory, especially the most abandoned.” Refer to Page 140 & Pages 75-76 of “The Rosarian’s Handbook of the Society of The Rosary Altar” Oct 1,1942 Imprimatur +Francis J. Spellman, D.D. Archbishop of New York In Latin: “O mi Iesu. Dimitte nobis debita nostra. Libera nos ab igne inferni. Subvenire animas in purgatorio, præsertim eas quæ maxime destituo.” The second half of the Fatima prayer specifically refers to the souls in Purgatory. Modernists later removed any reference to Purgatory because it would "offend" Protestants.

[@Chris82151]

Pray it in Portuguese!

[@karennorris7880]

Could I just pray the 2nd version of the Portuguese Fatima prayer?

[@virgiliusdivo3494]

oot. what's the name of the gregorian chant at the beginning of the vid?

[@2ndSentinel]

Where can I find a copy of the prayers?

[@graygray2602]

😘🙏🙏🙏😘 ,#4

[@cathysears6700]

Dr Marshall! Would you please consider addressing the “ALPHA PROGRAM?” I am very concerned as my Son and daughter in law think it’s great and push it! Thank you for your consideration! I’m trying to “Be salty!” Sincerely, Cathy (Saint in training)

[@DrTaylorMarshall]

It’s Protestant.

[@room2327]

Dr Taylor Marshall Thank you, Dr. Marshall! I still get FB posts from my former NO parish, and they are running it AGAIN, this fall. They really are convinced this is the way to evangelize. Thank you for encouraging us to seek out the TLM--my son and his children now attend with me. The kids are being instructed via the Baltimore Catechism. We are all learning our Faith more thoroughly and correctly.

[@cathysears6700]

“Says it all! Thank you!”

[@marcosleaoteodosio5496]

O mi Jésu: parce nos, líbera nos a flammae inferni, alleva coelum omnes animas, succurre propitio miserrimas.

[@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit]

I'm just copying and pasting my answer to rjc199's request: 🇵🇹🇧🇷 "Ó meu Jesus, perdoai-nos, livrai-nos¹ do fogo² do inferno; levai as alminhas³ todas para o Céu, principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem." 🇬🇧🇺🇸"Oh my Jesus, forgive us, deliver us¹ from the fires² of hell; Take/lead all 'little souls'³ to Heaven, mainly those who need it the most." ¹The "deliver us from evil" bit in the Our Father is "livrai-nos do mal" in Portuguese, so I'm just using the same wording. ²In Portuguese it is in the singular form, but I feel like in English it makes more sense in the plural form, it's the same thing though. ³Okay, this one is a curious part: "little souls" = "alminhas" because "alminhas" is the diminutive of "almas", however, in Portugal (where the Fatima apparition happened, as I'm sure you know) there is more context to the use of "alminhas" rather than simply "almas". You see, in Portugal there are these wayside shrines called "Alminhas" which are meant to represent the souls in Purgatory. Now, I know there are Catholic wayside shrines all over the world, but they are mostly just that, wayside shrines, maybe for a specific Saint but mostly just a place for a quick stop and prayer, but not for any specific intention, but there isn't a culture of building them with the specific intent of representing (including through the imagery) the souls in Purgatory, except for in Portugal (even here in Brazil the closest thing to it I can think of are small crosses or sort of miniature, i.e. usually about 60cm high, chapels alongside roads which indicated places where deadly accidents happened, but those are more for the person in the accident than for the souls in Purgatory as a whole). All that is to say that requesting to lead "all souls" to heaven is only meant to represent those souls in Purgatory, not some universalist thing.

[@joaomaciel3312]

Really, if you call the fire department in case of a house fire do you say ! ( My house is on fire ) or My house in on fires) We not talking about flames but fire inside a particular enclosure Common people!

[@gianlucamanco9441]

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[@busanangaro9484]

I'm a Nigerian, and the only form of the mass I have ever known is the Novus Ordo. I've never experienced the TLM, but would really love to. What can I do? And is the N.O. any less valid than the TLM?

[@ryanautrey2269]

We presume that the novus ordo has the valid Eucharist unless there's some indication, in a particular case, that there's a defect of matter, form, or intention. It's typically presumed to be the genuine sacrament. That says nothing of whether or not the new rite is licit. It was compiled by Bugnini, who was later exiled due to apparent connections with freemasonry, under the influence of protestants. It conceals true Catholic doctrine, making the liturgy accessable to either a Catholic interpretation or a protestant one. It gives options to omit parts that may still be "too Catholic" for protestant ears. It omits many offensive passages of Scripture- just edits them out. The Council of Trent (16th century) insisted that the received and approved rites of the sacraments must be accepted, not omitted, nor changed into new ones by any pastor whomsoever (Session VII, Canon XIII). Pope Pius V enforced this in Quo Primum. Vatican I reaffirmed the Canons of Trent. So, the novus ordo is not a legitimate rite; not to place blame on those who attend it without realizing this.

[@nifty1940]

@@ryanautrey2269 You've explained this extremely well, thank you. In Oct '65, I knew then that the death knell of the true church was being sounded. It wasn't until many years later that my conviction was confirmed by Mother Of Good Success in Quito re: a false church, gospel and teaching. Many changes came from '61 onwards and it's been all down hill since. Eucharistic validity!? Well, as Paul VI changed the ordination rite, it called into question "is the vat2 ordination rite valid?" So many of us are seeking answers for this. So I turned to the SSPX for an clarification with the question "Must those who change from the N.O. to the TLM need to be re-ordained?"The answer cleared it up for me. My belief is NO, the consecration is NOT valid. I've asked many a priest posing the question of licit and valid, and they all have a different view! Wow, if they can't get it right, what hope is there for the laity! My solution - never attend other than a TLM.

[@jacquelinedawson205]

@@nifty1940 Hello, if the church can make up the liturgy anyway she wants, then why wouldn't the NO be valid? I am genuinely interested. I attend TLM, but still trying to make sense out of why I don't ever want to go to NO again.

[@SmithsnMoz]

I dont know where i heard this but it sound very fitting imo. Attending the Novus Ordo mass is like "eating like from the scraps of food that fall from the table"... GOD BLESS!

[@luissantiago8446]

@@SmithsnMoz This is an appropriate and accurate metaphor describing the Novus Ordo. It is an anorexic and anemic figment of the true Sacrifice of the Holy Mass. The traditional Latin Mass is on another level, and is a rich, profound and beautiful expression of worship, worthy enough to be rendered unto God. To accept the ridiculous notion that the Novus Ordo and the TLM are two wings of the same bird is to engage oneself in a fallacious belief. Even a skirting glance at the two forms reveals the many differences. The TLM is like a fine aged wine. The Novus Ordo, is like Nestlé Quick.

[@jesusmariajosephmariaimmac9325]

PRAYER TO MARY, QUEEN OF THE ANGELS [ August Queen of Heaven Prayer ] An Indulgence of 500 days. (S. C. Ind., July 8, 1908; S. P. Ap., Mar. 28, 1935) August Queen of Heaven and Mistress of the Angels, thou who hast received from God the power and the mission to crush the head of Satan: we humbly ask thee to send to us thy heavenly legions so that, under thy command, they may pursue the demons let loose upon the earth, fight them everywhere, vanquish their audacity, and drive them back into the abyss. “Who is like unto God?” O good and tender Mother, thou shalt ever be our love and our hope. O divine Mother, send the Holy Angels to defend us [me] and repel far from us [me] the cruel enemy. Holy Angels and Archangels, defend and keep us. Amen. THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PRAYER [Please Read] The faithful are asked to say this prayer frequently and fervently. It is of great importance given the following remarkable background: [1] The prayer was dictated by the Blessed Mother herself to the holy and venerable priest, Fr. Louis-Édouard Cestac, on January 13, 1863 as a means to combat the powers of Hell. [2] An exorcism prayer in itself, this is a formidable prayer for “spiritual battle” especially needed for our times when the ravages caused by the fallen angels are everywhere conspicuous and unrelenting. [3] It is a prayer approved by the Church: It was recommended to the faithful by Pope Pius IX, and later indulgenced by both Popes Leo XIII and Pius X. Note on this Translatio

[@fatimacamargo3246]

Oh meu Jesus, perdoai-nos e livrai-no do fogo do inferno, levai as almas todas para 0 ceu e socorrei as que mais precisarem da Vossa Misericordia.

[@ApostoladoPetrino]

Não tem a “misericórdia”

[@user-bd8jb7ln5g]

I got this translation from AI(used Preplexity, but they all can do it - Claude, Gemini, GPT, etc) O(O) mi(my) Iesu(Jesus), dimitte(forgive) nobis(us) debita(debts) nostra(our), libera(free) nos(us) ab(from) igne(fire) inferni(of hell), conduc(lead) in(into) caelum(heaven) omnes(all) animas(souls), praesertim(especially) illas(those) quae(which) maxime(most) indigent(need) misericordia(mercy) tua(your) PS To replicate this tell AI to do a word for word/direct/inline translation like this: Latin word (English word) And give them the Latin text

[@auntgertrude2717]

I understand the confusion. Unfortunately none of the versions address what is so important that the angel taught. the poor souls(of purgatory), that are in most need. It is shameful, as this prayer is meant to free souls from purgatory! So all souls should not be used. English has such poor translation. I'm sure your aware that Brazilian Portuguese is different from European/mainland Portuguese, and different from African Portuguese. Using little (poor) souls in english is how I was taught by a Portuguese immigrant. It is meant to pray from your heart as a child! Some prayers are best left in their original tongue.

[@elviravaldes2538]

Taylor Marshall's second half of the Fatima prayer is the modernist version. The original traditional words of BVM’s Fatima prayer: “O my Jesus forgive us! Save us from the fire of hell. Relieve the souls in Purgatory, especially the most abandoned.” Refer to Page 140 & Pages 75-76 of “The Rosarian’s Handbook of the Society of The Rosary Altar” Oct 1,1942 Imprimatur +Francis J. Spellman, D.D. Archbishop of New York In Latin: “O mi Iesu. Dimitte nobis debita nostra. Libera nos ab igne inferni. Subvenire animas in purgatorio, præsertim eas quæ maxime destituo.” The second half of the Fatima prayer specifically refers to the souls in Purgatory. Modernists later removed any reference to Purgatory because it would "offend" Protestants.

[@asimpleuser123]

@@elviravaldes2538 I'm not sure if that ''purgatory'' word was inserted only because of the interpretation of the priest who write it, because of the "alminhas", or was indeed in the original prayer. I'm brazilian (speak portuguese) and I don't say "purgatory" and there are no versions of the fatima prayer in Brazil that includes "purgatory". I would be glad to know if my portuguese friends could tell us if there is a fatima prayer version in portuguese in Portugal with the "purgatory" word included.

[@ThePoopyboy11]

With all due respect Taylor Marshall's research/study of the original meaning in Portuguese doesn't fill me with confidence. Also, wouldn't it make sense to ask what Latin version do the RELIGIOUS ORDERS pray? Surely that would be a good starting point.

[@asimpleuser123]

I think the different religous orders pray different versions of the fatima prayer in latin. Also, I believe his research about the original portuguese was well made. Even in Portugal there are somes controversies regarding the original prayer, as far as I am concerned. I'm brazilian and I speak portuguese as main language.

[@ThePoopyboy11]

@@asimpleuser123 Thanks for you response. I assume you refer to the controversies about the "all souls" vs "souls in purgatory"? This is what I want a more in depth understanding of. Can you direct me to anything that might discuss this controversy in more detail?

[@Retiredjournalist88]

Fatima message: 1. Stop offending GOD 2. Listen to my SON I thing we all better do just that. We humbly pray for the hierarchy of the church and francis..and for all those who love and honor the Lord and all the lost sheep. Amen Lord. Thank you for your mercy and forgiveness.

[@buzzmessinger4510]

To fast Dr. Marshall. It would be nice if you spent more time with the pronouncing of the latin.

[@amyfrazier550]

OMG, he just slaughtered saying the Fatima Prayer in Latin. His enunciation is not even close to correct. How embarrassing.