How to Process Trauma [EMDR techniques]

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@MedCircle
@MedCircle 4 жыл бұрын
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@dylanpringle5919
@dylanpringle5919 3 жыл бұрын
You are right on the money when it comes to the explanation and what makes me soothe thank you very much for posting this information you'll be helping a lot of people
@wambuijacinta9723
@wambuijacinta9723 2 жыл бұрын
Happy to learn about EMDR especially because I am yet to recover or the memories of my childhood sexual abuse. Will try EMDR and see if it works 👏👏
@internationalentertainment6906
@internationalentertainment6906 2 жыл бұрын
I AM GOING FOR THE (** EMDR**) IT'S A PROVEN METHOD TO DO WITH A THERAPIST,DR, TREATMENT TEAM....9/13/2022 TE AMO
@Reldas
@Reldas 4 жыл бұрын
I did EMDR therapy to process repeated childhood trauma and it literally saved my life. If you have PTSD I cannot recommend it enough.
@leeanza5620
@leeanza5620 3 жыл бұрын
This is so hopeful. I’m starting next week and I’m so excited d
@candaceion9622
@candaceion9622 3 жыл бұрын
I tried it about 20 years ago, and my depression got even worse, so my therapist stopped it.
@ginacool2161
@ginacool2161 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I wanna try. Can't live with the panic anymore
@twincherry4958
@twincherry4958 3 жыл бұрын
@@candaceion9622 🙃
@itsjessicagordon
@itsjessicagordon 3 жыл бұрын
Will you please share how you found a therapist that is skilled in this?
@ricdelhjasonignacio6546
@ricdelhjasonignacio6546 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope that therapies would be more affortable specially for us who were on the middle to low class people who cannot prioritize therapy or even appointments to psychologists for it's expensive rates.
@aawoo5957
@aawoo5957 4 жыл бұрын
Because it's mentally exhausting too for a mental health practioner so yes but yeah it depends on the ethics
@jaimhaas5170
@jaimhaas5170 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. We need practical solutions for those of us that get paid by the hour...and can't pay what these folks think they are WORTH for an hour.
@borealiswan2363
@borealiswan2363 4 жыл бұрын
Don't waste tons of dough on this, you can download an app and begin by trying that. It's either free or cheap. The regular therapy sessions are way over priced and over rated. Just be aware that it doesn't work that well for deep childhood trauma, neither does SE. Or it'll work for a while, and then you find yourself back to square one, having to start over. IMO there's nothing like doing the real work, using Pete Walker's book for instance helps way more because you understand what you're doing to improve your mental state of wellbeing. This is only my experience, of course others may have different results.
@jrg305
@jrg305 4 жыл бұрын
@@jaimhaas5170 I do nutrition counseling and charge $200 for an initial and $100 for a follow up but the insurance pays me more or less. I take home about 40k a year after business expenses. "What we think we are worth" is pretty insulting after 9 years of education, 6+ yrs experience, starting own private practice, and paying for our own coaches or therapists to be able to be skilled at what we do. I afford therapy on my income self pay. It is 6k a year expenses paying for group which is $50/session and $100 for an individual session. If you don't value it, don't get it. I choose not to eat out everyday like some people do because I'd rather afford therapy.
@natashamudford4011
@natashamudford4011 4 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking that walking or jogging is a "bilateral" activity. I used to put in the miles, not just for physical exercise, but it also helped me process problems, and I would feel better mentally and emotionally as well. Pulling weeds, sweeping, pruning shrubs may also qualify...
@deborahbrown555
@deborahbrown555 3 жыл бұрын
EMDR was extremely beneficial for me 8 years ago after leaving a 30 year abusive marriage. I really believe I wouldn’t be where I am now without it.
@alishagee3450
@alishagee3450 3 жыл бұрын
@deborah brown 30 years was so long.. I can sense that you are truly a brave woman!!
@staciemae
@staciemae 3 жыл бұрын
So happy for you!
@glendaroland4190
@glendaroland4190 4 жыл бұрын
EMDR saved my mind & sanity, having survived 8 severe traumas. Help so much W/ PTSD
@suzihazlove4979
@suzihazlove4979 4 жыл бұрын
🙏
@kylejordan7093
@kylejordan7093 4 жыл бұрын
8? My goodness you deserve a break. Sending comfort and prayer your way.
@patriciabilyeu5012
@patriciabilyeu5012 3 жыл бұрын
Well I'm really proud of you for going to this and having the courage to go through this is very hard for me with my PTSD and all my trauma that I had to go through and look at it and sit there and be willing to go to it to go to get to the other side to be free of the pain it's an awesome journey I love this edmr thank you so much for listening to my story
@grandmastermario3695
@grandmastermario3695 3 жыл бұрын
And alot of people would down play saying that people went through way more but that's horrible because a small few don't go through any trauma and about over half of the worlds population don't go through any trauma not even once so yes going through anything higher than 5 really is awful and people also tend to think that if you don't remember it it doesn't hurt and actually it's kind of the opposite really sometimes non remembered events can affect the person even more mostly because if they can't remember it then they don't know what is bothering them so they can't really treat the trauma if they do remember it then atleast they have a good idea to what the problem is and there's so many people out there that try to justify what's traumatic alot of myths out there like it has to be a complete beating and bruises to be abuse or complete rape or things like the person has to be older or in more powerful or things like only woman and black people can get abused that's the kinds of myths people have on what trauma is no anything can be trauma anyone can get abused neglected bullied hurt traumatized in so many ways doesn't matter what size shape race gender orientation age they are anyone can be hurt anyone can be the victim anyone can be the perp and even a bystander to abuse can be affected it's traumatic for the direct victim and the bystander
@muslimwarrior9891
@muslimwarrior9891 2 жыл бұрын
Bruhhh ur a warrior
@christineriordan7942
@christineriordan7942 4 жыл бұрын
I do EMDR and it really helps to recall memories that I repressed so that I can process them in a healthy way. It’s not an easy process but necessary to be able to cope and move on. I love it!
@euaqui8287
@euaqui8287 4 жыл бұрын
How u mean it’s not easy ???
@jenniferclarke900
@jenniferclarke900 3 жыл бұрын
What if you have symptoms of trauma but can't remember any specific trauma? Can this help?
@christineriordan7942
@christineriordan7942 3 жыл бұрын
@@euaqui8287 What I meant about not being easy is that when you are recalling certain emotions, it can be painful. It’s necessary to get through that in order to process the emotions and get to a healthy place.
@christineriordan7942
@christineriordan7942 3 жыл бұрын
@@jenniferclarke900 definitely.. well, it did for me! I guess if you are willing to be vulnerable and you feel comfortable and trust your therapist, it will work. There were things I totally forgot about because I repressed them that I recalled.
@goertzpsychiatry9340
@goertzpsychiatry9340 3 жыл бұрын
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@elleangel1636
@elleangel1636 2 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with CPTSD just over a year ago and have been doing EMDR for around 4 months, I can't stress enough how life changing it is already. I don't think it's spoken enough about of how difficult it can be at first, definitely gets worse before it gets better but I am on the path to a better life. thank you for creating this video!
@courtney_honeylacecraft
@courtney_honeylacecraft 2 жыл бұрын
How are you feeling now?
@nina926
@nina926 Жыл бұрын
I went through EMDR for domestic abuse and for childhood abuse (from my bio father) and it saved my life. Living my best life now!
@essendossev362
@essendossev362 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, her outfit is OUT OF THIS WORLD.
@eden-.-3483
@eden-.-3483 3 жыл бұрын
I actually dont like it
@alyssapatricia
@alyssapatricia 3 жыл бұрын
I know!! I love it
@LD-ju7ge
@LD-ju7ge 3 жыл бұрын
Noticed it straight away lol gorgeous but looks like she's heading out on the town, not doing a psychotherapy talk!
@ashleym8658
@ashleym8658 3 жыл бұрын
@@eden-.-3483 looks like a gay man outfit. Too garish
@eden-.-3483
@eden-.-3483 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashleym8658 there is nothing wrong with gay man outfits, i just dont like this particular one.
@crimsonroseinbloom
@crimsonroseinbloom 4 жыл бұрын
I’m in EMDR therapy now, haven’t started the process yet, but I’m hoping it will bring me some peace
@ruthephoenix22
@ruthephoenix22 4 жыл бұрын
Best of luck. Hope it helps you to find peace. Would love to know how it goes for you.
@crimsonroseinbloom
@crimsonroseinbloom 4 жыл бұрын
Eu Aqui Good luck! 🍀 and yes I’m switching to therapy weekly now, so maybe things will progress faster
@crimsonroseinbloom
@crimsonroseinbloom 4 жыл бұрын
Ruthe Phoenix thank you! I will be sure to document it 🍀
@pgh412east
@pgh412east 4 жыл бұрын
How goes it Rose? Did you do it? How are you dealing now.
@crimsonroseinbloom
@crimsonroseinbloom 4 жыл бұрын
Holly Sorry I just saw this but it’s difficult right now since I’m doing therapy over the phone :(
@phoebegeebie1
@phoebegeebie1 3 жыл бұрын
Emdr saved my life and helped me actually start to live it again! I’m lucky enough to live in Australia where our government pays for healthcare for low income earners so I was able to access emdr for free - if you have the opportunity to access emdr and suffer trauma/ptsd I highly recommend it like so many others here 🥰
@alishagee3450
@alishagee3450 3 жыл бұрын
@phoebe Terre'Blanche so good to hear that it helped you... how are you now?
@goldengun9970
@goldengun9970 3 жыл бұрын
We have a small amount of visits paid for each year. Used it many times to see many professionals before and never even slightly helped. Very depressing
@deliciouslyk3437
@deliciouslyk3437 3 жыл бұрын
Golden Gun try healing the inner child meditations I listen to the beginning of a few and choose the one I like best. It's helped me enormously with various issues.
@goldengun9970
@goldengun9970 3 жыл бұрын
@@deliciouslyk3437 yeah group meditation is like going to a dance class. Thousand times better for me not go to such a class and not at all the answer for me. Glad you like them
@Rosie82333
@Rosie82333 3 жыл бұрын
How’s that socialism working out for you now?
@koalaskrypin
@koalaskrypin 4 жыл бұрын
I live in Sweden and have been through this therapy back in 2012/2013 and it helped me a alot. I can since then think about my memories (that were hidden before) and not get triggered.
@amynaddra7230
@amynaddra7230 4 жыл бұрын
I did 8 months of EMDR and it was intense but helpful. I did the bilateral tappers. I have Complex PTSD
@asmay8275
@asmay8275 3 жыл бұрын
If you don't mind would you please tell me what was the cause of your trauma? Emotional abuse?
@shyaaammeneen63
@shyaaammeneen63 3 жыл бұрын
@@asmay8275 Reduce negative thoughts with a simple practice to feel better. . Your breath is directly related to your mind [brain] causing negative thoughts-anxiety. For a relaxed life sit on a chair, back straight, eyes closed, be as still as possible and observe the sensations of your incoming--outgoing breath at the entrance of the nostrils for around 5-10-15 minutes or more. Don’t fight your thoughts. Slowly the mind will relax. No deep breathing needed. Day or night before sleep sit or lie down and observe your breath. Like me, make this a lifetime daily habit to have a good life. Avoid constipation as it affects the mind. Best wishes Shyaaam Sir. -Counsellor.
@kaleimaile
@kaleimaile 4 жыл бұрын
I just finished my first weekend of EMDR training. It was an AWESOME training. It was exhausting, but really good. I am going for the certification.
@Carmelc77
@Carmelc77 4 жыл бұрын
Been a certified EMDR Trauma therapist for over a decade. It’s the most wonderful therapy and I can’t recommend becoming a certified EMDR therapist more!! We need more fabulous therapists 🕊
@kaleimaile
@kaleimaile 4 жыл бұрын
Carmel Clark , thanks. It’s going to take me 2 years to get certified. Who did you go thru for your training?
@Soul.Talk.Coaching
@Soul.Talk.Coaching 4 жыл бұрын
What is the process of becoming an EMDR therapist?
@kaleimaile
@kaleimaile 4 жыл бұрын
Hadas Schwartz , do you have your Master’s in Counseling or Psychology and practicing as a Therapist?
@blackboxgoddess8747
@blackboxgoddess8747 2 жыл бұрын
Good for you
@titopuente6149
@titopuente6149 Жыл бұрын
Done roughly 20 sessions now and it has been amazing. Not every one has had BLS but some sessions bring up traumatic memories that need discussing and unpacking to address them fully. The 72 hour processing period immediately after the session can be very intrusive and intense but also cathartic. To anyone thinking of trying this, please don't hesitate any longer.
@saheemwani
@saheemwani 3 жыл бұрын
She's very articulate.
@themindfulminimalist2567
@themindfulminimalist2567 4 жыл бұрын
I just started EMDR, and it is already helping so much! Maybe I should make a video explaining my experience with it. I didn’t know anything about it before this.
@sharonbender880
@sharonbender880 3 жыл бұрын
Please do
@kittykatkt23
@kittykatkt23 3 жыл бұрын
Pls do
@starshinemaintenance5717
@starshinemaintenance5717 3 жыл бұрын
Please do
@morganalexis6147
@morganalexis6147 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video!
@erinwilliams1189
@erinwilliams1189 Жыл бұрын
My counselor and I are starting EMDR in just two days! I’m feeling optimistic in hopes that exploring this new type of therapy will improve my PTSD symptoms. Wish us luck!
@deon_pet
@deon_pet Жыл бұрын
How did it go for you?
@kaylavolk8533
@kaylavolk8533 Жыл бұрын
Hope you're doing well ❤
@dk1828
@dk1828 3 ай бұрын
How was your experience?
@jennifergreen8272
@jennifergreen8272 4 жыл бұрын
I've been through it twice and both times have seen the benefits. I can now recall my trauma in a calm and not distressed state now.
@franpost9800
@franpost9800 4 жыл бұрын
Such great information! EMDR for Sexual abuse in the past would have been fantastic for me. Now I understand how iI could’ve been a much quicker Survivor. So glad that I am now but I wish I had known you in 1972.
@bekind2047
@bekind2047 3 жыл бұрын
There was no emdr in ‘72 - was ‘discovered’ by the late Francine Shapiro in the early ‘80 - thank God - it simply works
@jeffratz
@jeffratz Жыл бұрын
In the past no one spoke of there traumas esp men, waiting for emdr lets see what happens, ppl still dont get how damaged we are thru real horrors ,wish u all success with this
@koco23
@koco23 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Judy is my hero - just a fountain of knowledge, so beautiful inside & out. She has been a blessing in my life ever since I discovered her a few years ago 💙
@twin_o7m.730
@twin_o7m.730 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been through it; it worked for me! 😃, professional needed; can not work alone.
@taylormurphy911
@taylormurphy911 4 жыл бұрын
I've wanted to try this for so so long! I'm so happy to hear its worked for someone else!💛
@f.jgouda810
@f.jgouda810 4 жыл бұрын
So good for you ' Twin ' Take care !
@jaimhaas5170
@jaimhaas5170 4 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate on how it worked for you?
@borealiswan2363
@borealiswan2363 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can use the app. Some have had satisfactory results with the app
@Betternow1974
@Betternow1974 4 жыл бұрын
How do you know it has worked, can you describe it.
@MultiKatieBee
@MultiKatieBee Жыл бұрын
EMDR is fantastic, and I cannot recommend it enough. It saved my life.
@misbah76
@misbah76 3 жыл бұрын
Notice something very interesting at 7.23 her body language is so in sync her demonstration of the watch swinging and her foot moving along it's so beautiful how the body communicates. NVC at it's best :)
@SunnysPlaceLLC
@SunnysPlaceLLC 4 жыл бұрын
My oldest daughter is currently doing emdr I'm so appreciative of it!!
@tseringpaldon95
@tseringpaldon95 4 жыл бұрын
I faced a huge traumatic experience in the year 2018 and I took break from everything, adapted meditation for about 6 months and then stared to get back to life. I was fine and comfortable being back to normal life until the same episode of traumatic event happened which hit my brain lot harder than the previous one. The second time, I literally broke down so hard. I normally am a very strong mentally and physically, health wise but these two traumatic episodes (related to bully and accusations) really affected my life hard. It has left weird feelings both physically and mentally. I have done lots of self educating with the help of these KZbin videos, both medCircle videos, religious videos and many more. I am much better now I am planning to take longer break this time so that if such episode ever happen again then I will be more stable to handle the problem. Thanks to KZbin and all the videos I watched to help myself. Without it all I may be dead by now. I feel real great of you guys for all these great videos.
@samizidane9964
@samizidane9964 4 жыл бұрын
So you did a therapy for yourself?
@celestialfavors1
@celestialfavors1 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, what is CPTSD?
@theshiftmastersessions
@theshiftmastersessions Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine how hard it has been for you. Thank you for sharing. ❣
@tenzinyeshi7071
@tenzinyeshi7071 3 ай бұрын
@tseringpaldon95, thank you for sharing from a fellow young Tib! ❤️ I resonated with your comment a lot and I too am on a journey to find relief and healing after suffering trauma. I hope life is treating you better. ❤️
@amyrengo8037
@amyrengo8037 4 жыл бұрын
I've been doing EMDR therapy for 3 months and it has helped with my idiopathic neuropathy so much. I am starting to taper down on my dose of Gabapentin and it would be great to get off of it completely.
@Earthangel11179
@Earthangel11179 Жыл бұрын
Did u do weekly or bi weekly sessions?
@traceykujabi4872
@traceykujabi4872 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how you explain the differences between the CBT and DBT models. I was having a lot of trouble as a current counseling student understanding and applying the two models to my prospective clients.
@mumsie8578
@mumsie8578 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so thankful to live in a country the acknowledges trauma and I get free therapy for life. EMDR has worked great for me in the past. Have started with a new therapist and getting ready to start back doing EMDR. I can't wait
@ludwinadautovic
@ludwinadautovic 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview. I've just started EMDR for dealing with the trauma of cancer 11 years ago. It's been really helpful.
@kimyeeun8744
@kimyeeun8744 3 жыл бұрын
Wish I could meet her and just talk about all my problems that's disturbing me so much😭
@taro749
@taro749 3 жыл бұрын
Me too...
@startinglifeat30
@startinglifeat30 3 жыл бұрын
Thought the same thing
@shyaaammeneen63
@shyaaammeneen63 3 жыл бұрын
@@taro749 Reduce negative thoughts with a simple practice to feel better. . Your breath is directly related to your mind [brain] causing negative thoughts-anxiety. For a relaxed life sit on a chair, back straight, eyes closed, be as still as possible and observe the sensations of your incoming--outgoing breath at the entrance of the nostrils for around 5-10-15 minutes or more. Don’t fight your thoughts. Slowly the mind will relax. No deep breathing needed. Day or night before sleep sit or lie down and observe your breath. Like me, make this a lifetime daily habit to have a good life. Avoid constipation as it affects the mind. Best wishes Shyaaam Sir. -Counsellor.
@shyaaammeneen63
@shyaaammeneen63 3 жыл бұрын
@@startinglifeat30 Reduce negative thoughts with a simple practice to feel better. . Your breath is directly related to your mind [brain] causing negative thoughts-anxiety. For a relaxed life sit on a chair, back straight, eyes closed, be as still as possible and observe the sensations of your incoming--outgoing breath at the entrance of the nostrils for around 5-10-15 minutes or more. Don’t fight your thoughts. Slowly the mind will relax. No deep breathing needed. Day or night before sleep sit or lie down and observe your breath. Like me, make this a lifetime daily habit to have a good life. Avoid constipation as it affects the mind. Best wishes Shyaaam Sir. -Counsellor.
@terminusadquem6981
@terminusadquem6981 2 жыл бұрын
There are two (2) ways of coping. 1] Problem-focused 2] Emotion-focused You should ask yourself first for every problem that you encounter. "Is there something that can be done about it? You need to confine yourself on the things that you can change & not on the things that you can't Example: Health issues/illness - getting sick is something that you may not have control of no matter how much caution you take, BUT if you do or if a family member, god forbid, do get sick, you can focus on things like working closely with your doctor, educating yourself about it, take recommendations or advice, seek resources, etc. Those things are things you can do. I always push for ACTION! ACTION! ACTION! only do I let myself feel the EMOTION if I have totally zero actions that I can take. For an emotion-focused coping. This is usually used when there's absolutely nothing you can do about the situation. For this, I suggest you develop a system of social support. 1] family 2] friends 3] neighbors 4] acquaintances You can also observe which activities that absorb your attention the most-effective distraction 1] create a music playlist-uplifting/upbeat/insipiring music 2] take a walk outside & feel nature 3] stargazing-the vastness of the universe puts your problem in right perspective in reality 4] visit an old friend/send heartwarming message 5] etc. You can take note of this & put this in a small piece of card ( e.g. index card ) that would remind you what to do whenever a problem comes up. 🙂
@candyxoxo19
@candyxoxo19 4 жыл бұрын
I love Dr. Judy. She is so smart and down to earth.
@TheStreamlinedLifestyle
@TheStreamlinedLifestyle 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Andrew Huberman, Stanford Neuroscientist explains why EMDR works, and how it is connected to the visual processing system, for example, while in motion, like walking - when walking the eyes are moving left and right.
@vichitrasamarawickrama3014
@vichitrasamarawickrama3014 4 жыл бұрын
This therapy sounds terrific 😬 I can’t even think about going through it.
@Whatdaniedid
@Whatdaniedid 2 жыл бұрын
I did my first EMDR with my therapist today it was very intense!
@paesitopaez4302
@paesitopaez4302 4 жыл бұрын
Oh damnnn that's what it was. I remember my therapist did this with me. She did those calming movements you mentioned to slow me down. Once there, she asked me to connect with the past, and we both began to see that my body was began to tremble and it seemed like I was unconsciously getting uncomfortable/deffensive there. It's so interesting! Haha, thanks Dr. Ho and Medcircle, great video as always (;
@imene8968
@imene8968 4 жыл бұрын
Whoaaa that's crazy cuz same?! I think we just focused on relaxation and breathing techniques with relaxing sounds after the visual tic tac thing lmao , cuz we didn't go through past memories yet it somehow was a bad experience for me? It's almost as if ,yes , i was hypervigilent for some reasons and my coping mechanisms were blocking the bad feelings away so after i relaxed they somehow emerged to the surface and i felt worse than i initially felt. Have you been through something like this?
@thespiritualdrop
@thespiritualdrop Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate her enthusiasm and her knowledge about EMDR
@ed8329
@ed8329 Жыл бұрын
She does a terrible job explaining how it works, and completely misses the main mechanism of EMDR.
@brainbodysoul
@brainbodysoul 4 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. It's in my top 3. I love it I love it I love it!!!
@patriciabilyeu5012
@patriciabilyeu5012 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you I love this channel too it's my favorite awesome blossom
@noelleneal
@noelleneal 3 жыл бұрын
What are the other 2? Love finding new channels 💁🏼‍♀️
@littlestbroccoli
@littlestbroccoli 3 жыл бұрын
I tried to get EMDR therapy but the therapist was very dismissive, treated me like I have "hysteria" or some feminine problem, I'm guessing it was because I had very vague experiences and can't remember the whole thing, but that's what EMDR is for, right? He never seemed to believe that I have all the things mentioned here. It was really invalidating. I ended up going to a new age therapist because at least she believed what I had to say. Turned out to help a lot, actually.
@dk1828
@dk1828 3 ай бұрын
Dr Judy is so amazing! So knowledgeable and articulate.
@mangantasy289
@mangantasy289 2 жыл бұрын
I have severe mental health issues, including cPTSD. I'm going to have my first EMDR seesion tomorrow, and I'm really getting nervous by now. I'm totally sure I want to give it a chance. I've been in thearpy for years and compared to a decade ago, I defintely made some progress. But I feel stuck and even got worse, so I want to try. But that does not help me from being somewhat scared as well since I don't know yet how I will react and how it will really feel like. But I'm somewhat excited that it "finally" starts. It has been about two months since I decided I'm going to try and waiting for it to begin. Not sure which trauma I should chose first.... At least your video here helped me to calm down a little. Thanks for that!
@bebaaskaful
@bebaaskaful 3 жыл бұрын
I tried to do a lot of stuff because of PTSD. And I cant recomend something more than EMDR. It is scary, but it is a relief. Because ypu have a lot of preparation for these. Ypu dont do a first therapy EMDR. Youre therapist guides you to different stages of support when it comes to deal with trauma. Remembering that trauma cuts the brain conection bilateral stimulation is a way to get brain rewire. I dont say that this is the only solution, but ot works very fast, and subconceous beliefs in that moment of trauma. Beliefs than take ypu threw emotional state which came with this frozen image of trauma, and ypu can elease them. So it works on both levels. I was in fear of course before I came to this therapy, and what my can happen. But Ive had it enough of trauma and triggers control my life. And that is the only reason. No way. I wont let any of my trauma controling my behaviour or desicion I make. It is a step forward, not back. You live youre life in past if youre dealing with unresolved trauma. No present moment. It occupies you, makes ypu frozen and scared. So have a little faith that it can change youre life to let go of limited self beliefs that construct youre future. I had a lot of atachment trauma, a lot of f... ups, and I dont want to give my life force an energy to trauma. Help yourself, and try EMDR
@Kareltje1749
@Kareltje1749 2 жыл бұрын
EMDR therapie sessies hebben mij een andere wending in het leven gegeven 💯
@Jess-wb4ux
@Jess-wb4ux Ай бұрын
I tried this but I wasn’t ready and didn’t understand it, I thought it was kinda weird and didn’t carry on with it. The way it’s explained here has helped me understand it. I think you need the right therapist for it to work too maybe
@michelebeuttel3289
@michelebeuttel3289 8 ай бұрын
I had a very negative experience with EMDR with complex trauma- intense agitation inability to sleep for days. There’s a much gentler way to move through…. The 12 steps worked for all my sexual abuse, and other childhood traumas.
@ashley14579
@ashley14579 5 ай бұрын
How do you recover after a session, what are your coping skills I want to cope with things more
@bonniel4325
@bonniel4325 4 жыл бұрын
This was super informative. Kyle your questions are spot on with what I wanted to know about EMDR and related therapies. Thanks Dr. Judy as well.
@robertcounts5300
@robertcounts5300 Жыл бұрын
I did EMDR it is a life saver! I think it could work just to improve your life like to quit smoking!
@joechen2763
@joechen2763 3 жыл бұрын
good explanation. i was just trained in EMDR. haven't used it yet. I will use your analogy with my patients.
@theophila214
@theophila214 3 жыл бұрын
~"need to do this with a therapist": That's nice. Now let me figure out how to do this at home.
@vegitoblue2187
@vegitoblue2187 2 жыл бұрын
that is the root problem of mental health.
@milor6138
@milor6138 2 жыл бұрын
EMDR is an absolute no-go at home. Professionals who use this have a very specific protocol and rigid EMDR training.
@theophila214
@theophila214 2 жыл бұрын
@@milor6138 Why? I can't recall past emotions & look from one side to another at home?? I know my own emotional processing capacity. I know they have training. That doesn't mean there couldn't be a process developed for at home.
@milor6138
@milor6138 2 жыл бұрын
@@theophila214 That just isn't how it works. if EMDR is performed wrong it can cause further emotional damage. This is not an attack on your emotional intelligence, neither is needing a therapist. If this were incorporated at home, many experts would have to convene and to implement this hypothetical at home plan would still have to be an individualized plan with a professional, not spitballing ideas and seeing what sticks. That is dangerous for individuals who need trauma healing. if you need physical therapy, you need a doctor to assist you, and after extensive work they give you an at-home program. if you need therapy, you need a therapist. this isn't the same as mindfulness techniques or breathing exercises.
@fairycreates
@fairycreates 2 ай бұрын
did you perform this at home??
@davidwhitney1171
@davidwhitney1171 Жыл бұрын
There's an old saying: "Pour it on the stoop and see if the cat 🐈 licks it up..." meaning, try something new and see if something works or helps. I've suffered from the effects of multiple traumas dating back to childhood including severe family dysfunction and a near-fatal freak traffic accident at 21, from which I recovered physically but it broke my mind and my life. Add to this chronic anxiety disorder and chronic persistent Depressive Disorder, despite 40+ years of therapy and medication, (Im 65) and I'm pretty much at the end of my tether- however, I decided to give therapy one more shot, and I found a wonderful therapist with which I felt at ease and comfortable on the first meeting. She's well trained in EMDR and we're soon to start working with it. I was skeptical at first but am willing to work hard and give it a chance- in other words "Pour it on the stoop and see if the cat licks it up."...
@1BlessedGuardian
@1BlessedGuardian 11 ай бұрын
How has your progress been since doing EMDR? I’m just learning about it from my therapist today. I hope it works! Hope you’re doing well
@Scilla-be5hr
@Scilla-be5hr 3 жыл бұрын
You got everything 100% every word... Im 42 and exhausted with this. 😑Im ready. Thank you
@AdamGbl95
@AdamGbl95 Жыл бұрын
(Not medical advice), as someone whose never been open to seeing a therapist for mental struggles, I highly recommend working with a therapist, especially if you're like me and have trouble focusing and remmebering things clearly. Talking with someone that can ask the right questions and who has an understanding of the science behind the mind and processing thoughts/memories helps a lot.
@elizabethseiden1867
@elizabethseiden1867 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Judy is brilliant! I’d like to try emdr therapy.
@Acetyl53
@Acetyl53 4 жыл бұрын
The Soviets developed a machine called the LIDA in the late 60's. It used pulsed RF, visible light, and sound to put people in this sort of hypnotic state.
@doofy28
@doofy28 4 жыл бұрын
It actually worked for me after some time had passed.
@notorious-00j99
@notorious-00j99 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy how watching this video and other videos about BPD which I’ve been diagnosed with. Helps me process my trauma. I can honestly say I’m moving past and healing from trauma at what I consider a ridiculous rate.
@qwertyuiop-ke7fs
@qwertyuiop-ke7fs 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how or why it works, but it does.
@kaligator224
@kaligator224 4 жыл бұрын
She's brilliant
@lionkoo7949
@lionkoo7949 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny because I don't know if I'm traumatized or just overacting things. I know what trauma is and its effects on those who have it, but I don't know how to determine if I'm traumatized over something. When everything is just normal then suddenly I have flashbacks of this certain memory and it feels like I'm there again and then I start panicking and then it leads to anxiety. I immediately start saying "oh my gosh" repeatedly and I start prancing or sometimes burry my face on my pillow just to "shake off" the feeling. It's really an uncomfortable feeling, and I feel my stomach churning just by typing this. Gosh, this is the reason why I want to forget everything in my past.
@MsAnchovey
@MsAnchovey 3 жыл бұрын
Well, it's a given that you're traumatized by that memory that triggers you to panick. Another option to try to take out the panicky emotion from the memory is 'Havening.' It's a phychosensory self massage that may help besides EMDR and other modalities.
@beforeigo4284
@beforeigo4284 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a fancy way of saying YOURE GOING TO BE RECONNECTING YOUR WAKING MIND AND YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS MIND. Your subconscious mind is where your core beliefs are stored, and your subconscious mind can ONLY experience through your 5 senses. So to engage it, you have to engage your entire body. Best of luck to everyone on their healing journey!!! Definitely look up some binaural beats, breath work, cold showers, and the connection between the waking mind and the subconscious mind. Sending love and light to everyone. ✨
@yukio_saito
@yukio_saito 3 жыл бұрын
EMDR suits me relatively, but my therapist was a bit unskilled and unempathic. I'd like to try it again with another therapist.
@empathstation1754
@empathstation1754 4 жыл бұрын
WOW!!! so much great info on EMDR .. I am excited about trying this kind of therapy. Thank you both , so very helpful.
@manuellestpierre5600
@manuellestpierre5600 3 жыл бұрын
I love to hear Dr.Judy Ho.💕 best channel.
@danyelPitmon
@danyelPitmon 4 жыл бұрын
I am borderline personality disorder bipolar to PTSD and generalized anxiety disorder and my therapist suggested EMD are and I wanted to do it until I had a breakdown brought up a lot of scary Trumatic flashbacks and I ended up in the hospital mental health ward for a week and I’m not sure I really want to do any therapy to recover the memories and process them properly but I know I need to be on a top that I’m finding that a muscle may have dissociative identity disorder as well I’m hoping to get tested to see for sure but I am going to talk to therapist again about doing EMD our therapy when they able to open the offices again who knows when this COVID-19 is going to end The wise I’m just doing my sessions with my therapist by phone
@lanaroberts9929
@lanaroberts9929 2 жыл бұрын
I have bpd also and had a big meltdown after doing emdr for a couple weeks. I am doing emdr for ptsd. Maybe us with bpd find it particularly difficult due to our intense emotions
@thicccrusade2302
@thicccrusade2302 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta try this to all those negative memories from the past.
@addictionandspiritpossessi523
@addictionandspiritpossessi523 4 жыл бұрын
She is really awesome explaining the way she does. thank you sooooo much. okay.
@RLDRemembrance
@RLDRemembrance 2 жыл бұрын
She’s so beautiful and healing.
@Uri1000x1
@Uri1000x1 3 жыл бұрын
And a baby that loses it's mother experiences memory stored in "implicit memory". Implicit memories associated with trauma affects behavior.
@suzannehodgkins7197
@suzannehodgkins7197 3 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about adoption trauma? Can you tell me more?
@lourdescrowley66
@lourdescrowley66 3 жыл бұрын
Memory starts in the womb before visuals and words. Sensations are memories too and the body knows.
@Uri1000x1
@Uri1000x1 3 жыл бұрын
@@suzannehodgkins7197 See Dr. Gabor Mate's videos on Trauma, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpbJZpJ-gJqNosU
@Truthster772
@Truthster772 2 жыл бұрын
My trauma is ongoing. Not limited to a single event and is not over. Won’t be over for a few more years. Do you have advice on how to cope with ongoing abuse?
@johnoprendek2620
@johnoprendek2620 4 жыл бұрын
I think and feel that it is beautiful, and sometimes (icky) that we can grow through this technique through recognizing our emotions we can then take the step to address them in a rational manner. Listening to feedback is helpful, as it was when Kyle made the discovery of that on the topic of his depression. Thank you for the insight of this technique. I am curious if my psychiatrist is familiar with this. She talks to me in soothing tones like you would a hurt child, though she does not hold back her insight and I feel comfortable about the gentle way she probes things with her questions. I hope one day to feel more safe. I am gradually feeling less anxious, which is nice. I can only address things as they meet my awareness. I do use mindfulness, emotional regulation through DBT along with this process of EMDR to deal with trauma. I am curious if she is using those techniques with me. I will ask her. Thank you for this series! Accolades to Kyle for his insight! Thank you Dr. Judy Ho for your expertise!
@TheSmokeyClouds
@TheSmokeyClouds 2 жыл бұрын
We all hold the power to do EMDR without treatment, all I knew is your have to do re-live those repressed memories and let yourself be that kid or adult in pain again and let it be. I would sit in hour long meditations in tears. You can regain your life even if you don’t have resources, you hold the power in your heart to get the control back in your life. Hope you find your freedom. ❤️ we are not our pain or heartbreak.
@chrisfogarty9110
@chrisfogarty9110 2 жыл бұрын
Is there another word that can be used to replace “trigger”? I know someone who is actually triggered by the word. EMDR has changed my life! I suggested it to this person.
@cavallopazzo340
@cavallopazzo340 3 жыл бұрын
How does it compare to similar techniques such as EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) or TRE (Trauma Release Exercises)?
@jonniemaemiddletonlotte6747
@jonniemaemiddletonlotte6747 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dr. Ho and Mister.
@kb8350
@kb8350 4 ай бұрын
I look forward to going back to emdr. Ive done it but didn't know i needed more if it.
@lisettehanna978
@lisettehanna978 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! I learned so much!
@Juicy1991
@Juicy1991 4 жыл бұрын
I always love her shoes.
@pibkaveronica7622
@pibkaveronica7622 2 жыл бұрын
EMDR music is free on KZbin There are also free videos on how to do tapping
@brandyjensma9259
@brandyjensma9259 10 ай бұрын
EMDR is amazing I had 4 sessions and I am looking for a new therapist to have more sessions. I don’t feel like I am ready.
@mango_edits751
@mango_edits751 2 жыл бұрын
I used this and it made me feel better
@Kev80ification
@Kev80ification 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown!
@margaretphillips3576
@margaretphillips3576 4 жыл бұрын
Therapists always say that you should go to a therapist. But every time I try to go to one they end up being absolutely terrible.
@MS-mp9om
@MS-mp9om 4 жыл бұрын
It's surprisingly difficult to find a good therapist, or even one you can simply connect with. I'm on my 4th therapist (over many years) and happy to have finally found a great fit. Don't give up on your search.
@krishnamadhusudan8370
@krishnamadhusudan8370 3 жыл бұрын
I had one good and a second that was also good but not my style. I think your luck may very. Look for around 10.
@tophat2115
@tophat2115 3 жыл бұрын
12-16 sessions at 160/session is just out of most folks budgets unless they're affluent or have some kind of insurance plan that will cover it. What else can you recommend that is more cost conscious?
@krishnamadhusudan8370
@krishnamadhusudan8370 3 жыл бұрын
Some of them are high skilled workers that deal with trauma so hiring extremely qualified and good workers are of utmost importance. That being said cost for individuals is just too much. Ideally they could reduce the cost to something like 100 per session and have government or insurance subsidize most of it.
@peterlloyd5285
@peterlloyd5285 3 жыл бұрын
All this stuff is just a way of separating you from your wallet. It's not a therapy or a science; it's marketing. Here's the truth: we are traumatised when more than two negative life changing events happen to us in a short space of time. The individual is overwhelmed by stress and the amount of cortisol pumped into the body. This results in forgetfulness, clumsiness and an inability to function at one's usual level. The emotions are all negative and out of control. The way through is to have a two or three staunch allies who are willing to stick with you while you let the thing reach its nadir. and then provide support when you start to heal and grow in strength and confidence. It's a gradual process and usually takes about a year. It's not depression so anti-depressants don't work, neither does blotting out the pain with booze or drugs. There is, of course more to say, but that's it in a nut shell.
@nicksyb5920
@nicksyb5920 3 жыл бұрын
Have a look at EFT tapping or rewind technique that have a similar aim, to dampen the emotional reaction by reintegration of the traumatic memories, but they're not as well recognised.
@SusanPrattDesign
@SusanPrattDesign 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterlloyd5285 I wouldn’t be so quick to judge if you have not experienced this remarkable therapy. Yes, it is expensive. I spent $10,000 out of pocket for 2 years because this specialized therapy was not covered by health insurance. The doctor I chose to help me was experienced, caring and compassionate. For me, the investment in my emotional well-being was worth it. This therapy saved my life.
@om9670
@om9670 3 жыл бұрын
Brain spotting
@cameront8539
@cameront8539 4 жыл бұрын
I do wonder the effects are, of going through EMDR while not being ready to handle the memory associated with PTSD. Could this be more harm than good in extreme cases? We know the brain blocks these memories out of self-defense.
@ArtyAntics
@ArtyAntics 4 жыл бұрын
Cameron Tharpe I think I can attempt to answer your question but I’m a trauma survivor rather than a professional so bare that in mind. I studied sleep for a really long time and the last quarter of the sleep cycle is where the brain files away memories as past. This is important for trauma processing because during a life threatening event your memory processing is switched off, along with other things like your digestive and reproductive functions as all resources are sent to vital organs for survival. We then have these fragments of memory floating around in our bodies, or we have belief systems that become engrained in us that we can’t really explain because we haven’t put all the pieces together again. When we get to a safer environment our brain starts to have nightmares or flashbacks to attempt to join these memories together and finish the filling process. But because it is traumatic we make adaptations in our lives to avoid the trauma memories. Stopping ourselves from sleeping because it’s too scary actually holds yourself in the perpetual limbo of reexperiancing trauma. The body memories for me became so physically painful I couldn’t walk some days. My case would be considered extreme, and once I realised how my brain worked and stop fighting it and started to try to help the process a lot of the crippling pain got better. my night terrors and flashbacks are less debilitating. recently I have recalled memories that my brain has processed and filed as past and I don’t reexperiance all the emotions, it’s just something that happened to me. The first thing I had to accept is that what was self protective when I was in danger is actually hurting me when I am free of danger and is actually more likely to cause me to be hurt again in the future. The part I disagree with this Dr on is that EMDR is hypnotic making you suggestible. My hypothesis is that it helps someone do the same rapid eye movements in that last 1/4 of sleep that files the memories as past. The bilateral sensing she speaks of is exactly what I do to ground myself in the present moment so I can process a flashback and separate the past event from the present moment. That is why I believe EMDR works but I have never done it myself. I just read a lot!
@JacquiCryer
@JacquiCryer 4 жыл бұрын
Cameron Tharpe I guess that’s the value of a good therapist - they evaluate if you’re ready to go through the process x
@archetypalmuse
@archetypalmuse 4 жыл бұрын
I mean short answer, yes it could. But indeed a good therapist would build up a relationship of trust and safety with you and get to know you before getting into that stuff.
@Gobliness_
@Gobliness_ 4 жыл бұрын
I did EMDR years ago when I wasn't ready. I didn't know what to expect either. I couldn't handle it, my depression got worse and I tried to commit suicide.
@virginiabify
@virginiabify 4 жыл бұрын
@@Gobliness_ ..it happened to me too. Bad, bad professionais. The majority of them is mediocre and they usually attend fast classes/workshops.
@nathaliet.9222
@nathaliet.9222 4 жыл бұрын
I agree that cost is a problem (not covered). It should not be so. Therapy should be covered and most competent therapists include both CBT and EMDR techniques in their aptitudes. Ask! Also , most people are still not aware of/reluctant with , what they bring in in relationships of all sorts. Therapy and eager to learn about oneself is equals to growth, versus those of us who refuse to acknowledge and hence refuse to partake in any form of therapy. Some forms of therapies are enforced in legal conflict . Yet, It often does not acknowledged that "group dynamic" is key. Therapy by one only means others in the dynamic are not aware of dynamics or refuse to address issues they may create. One truth: we are ok all by ourselves in some extend. Problems surface while interacting/living with others, where we are understanding/testing who we are (childhood/school years). If this is not addressed, it may carry on into adulthood. Again it is better to be alone. Yet, this means no growth, refusal to be part of society , as we decide to not being a part of the problem/nor the solution in growth (as we area social species). Emdr and CBT are ways to further therapy in meaningful ways for people who want to grow. You can have a therapist and most would already have knowledge and training in those techniques. Just ask. Finally, done is the era of therapists who drink their coffee while you talk for 45 minutes! This is an old legacy derived from Freudian psychotherapy. Today, your counselor should have material (articles, exercises, tools) for you to learn and use afterwards. They should also interact. They should be trained in basic CBT and EMDR . ASK! The key is to also let others be aware that you are engaging in your desire to grow and problem solve.
@ynntari2775
@ynntari2775 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe the whole debate about the existence or not of a subconscious mind just comes down to dissociation. A lot of people dissociate; and even if you don't get a dissociative disorder because you didn't have trauma, your brin may still dissociate information from the conscious mind, creating one or multiple "subconscious minds". If the unconscious is just dissociation, that'd both validate its existence and validate the fact that some people may very well not have it.
@Sephirot4678
@Sephirot4678 4 жыл бұрын
Are you guys going to do any videos on ECT or TMS? I would love to hear MedCircle's take on the current state of these treatments!
@Contessa998
@Contessa998 4 жыл бұрын
Sephirot4678 Yeah, that would be great
@Sephirot4678
@Sephirot4678 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Contessa998 I've personally seen a lot of stigmas and myths about ECT that make it sound terrifying, but it seems to be really quite controlled and safe nowadays
@MedCircle
@MedCircle 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! we have a full series on ECT at medcircle.com and we plan to film on TMS with Dr. Judy soon :)
@alifmuhammad2356
@alifmuhammad2356 4 жыл бұрын
@@MedCircle Niiiiiiiiice. Looking SO forward to TMS.
@ThriveWithLouise
@ThriveWithLouise 4 жыл бұрын
you dont HAVE TO do it with a therapist... yes doing it with a therpist can be more effective, but doing it at home rather than not doing it at all is by far better, it works even when you do it at home and its helped me a lot without a therapist
@cristaldevonne
@cristaldevonne 3 жыл бұрын
How did you do it at home by yourself and what did you do?
@shyaaammeneen63
@shyaaammeneen63 3 жыл бұрын
@@cristaldevonne Detox the mind. ​ Reduce negative thoughts with a simple practice to feel better. . Your breath is directly related to your mind [brain] causing negative thoughts-anxiety. For a relaxed life sit on a chair, back straight, eyes closed, be as still as possible and observe the sensations of your incoming--outgoing breath at the entrance of the nostrils for around 5-10-15 minutes or more. Don’t fight your thoughts. Slowly the mind will relax. No deep breathing needed. Day or night before sleep sit or lie down and observe your breath. Like me, make this a lifetime daily habit to have a good life. Avoid constipation as it affects the mind. Best wishes Shyaaam Sir. -Counsellor.
@thehighpriestess8431
@thehighpriestess8431 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@tangjy
@tangjy 9 ай бұрын
I think Dr Judy doesn't cover the negative side effects, or who should Not do EMDR - which is a warning sign in itself. I've read about those with complex childhood trauma coming away from EMDR sessions even more disregulated. It could do more harm than good for some people.
@daniellek7603
@daniellek7603 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to have PTSD but Instead of hyper active states ,like anxiety when you get triggered . You go numb, or blank ?
@heathercampbell1560
@heathercampbell1560 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@ClearConscience.
@ClearConscience. 4 жыл бұрын
O think its called hypo instead of hyper when you numb out
@joanlynch5271
@joanlynch5271 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is the third F in "fight, flight or freeze."
@resonatingspirit
@resonatingspirit 3 жыл бұрын
yes it is the freeze reaction and can also disassociate
@sandy28702
@sandy28702 3 жыл бұрын
@@resonatingspirit yes exactly, it can also be depersonnalisation and derealisation, its where you feel completely disconnected from your body, mind or/and spirit. Derealisation is when you have physicals symptoms I think? I am not sure, I just searched on google Deperssonalisation and derealisation.
@jenniferalford8634
@jenniferalford8634 3 жыл бұрын
If you have the money for emdr therapy that is great but I don't I believe you can do this yourself if you are the right type of person that can really do the research and learn.
@bellaherz5945
@bellaherz5945 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you can try clinics or universities, training institutes who offer free or reduced fees
@Peanuts76
@Peanuts76 2 жыл бұрын
thank you Dr. Judy Ho, I'm your new fans!!!
@Kelly-yi3bw
@Kelly-yi3bw 4 жыл бұрын
Is EMDR helpful for Complex PTSD from decades of abuse???
@jeanpaulkassdale
@jeanpaulkassdale 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say to go through EMDR efficiently, you need to point really specific traumatic events. If there are too many of them, the effects might be negated. From decades of abuse, you'd have to be able to make a generality of a few of the worst moments you've benn through. But you can try anyway and see if it works for you.
@fathimanasrin6181
@fathimanasrin6181 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeanpaulkassdale i dont find any therapist...How can i do it myself EMDR theraphy
@ClearConscience.
@ClearConscience. 4 жыл бұрын
Im wondering this too , i have CPTSD and DID
@90qwertys
@90qwertys Жыл бұрын
I feel like Kyle should know about the corpus callosum, the role of REM sleep in processing, memory consolidation, and memories being stuck in the limbic system and how EMDR helps to transfer them to the neocortex and PFC through bilateral stimulation. With that info, he may see that it's in no way, shape, or form "woo-woo" at all, by any stretch of the imagination.
@Martha_Kilonzo
@Martha_Kilonzo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very informative
@annaberastain4428
@annaberastain4428 2 жыл бұрын
Mental Trauma is similar to what the body goes through in physical shock
@heartmind.coaching
@heartmind.coaching 4 ай бұрын
Bilateral stimulation reminds me of some energy medicine techniques I learned in the past. Do you think that even simply moving the body in sports, such as dance, can help heal trauma?
@passionableaira3
@passionableaira3 3 жыл бұрын
I recognize her from the Netflix series about the Cecil Hotel
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