How to Radicalize a Gym Bro

[@datamale]

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[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

"I was scared... so I ...acted proud, now I am tough... but I am coarse with shame. I felt lesser... so I ...better'd the self, the self is better... so the other is lesser. Things felt so wrong... so I ...sought out the right, I found some answers... but to none of my questions."

[@Iowa2006]

You tone of your voice sound just like those pipeline people. My brain kept expecting you to go on a 'leftist bad', 'hollywood woke', ' is taking over the world' tangent. Not sure if this was on purpose or not, but well done. I'd like to think those used to listening to that kind of people might stick around this video long enough for something to hit them.

[@datamale]

@@Iowa2006 the british accent is deliberately manufactured to make you trust us, despite your better judgement. Figured I would use it for some good, lmao.

[@LuckyTheSaint]

This video is a Paradigm shifter. An I thank you for exposing my own shallowness to me🙏🏼 I didn’t know I needed that but I nearly cried when I realised how judgemental I became without realising. I too thought that fat pride was body Dysmorphia but now I see that I’m the one weighing up someone else’s choices as if they affect me an they don’t, I love to see confidence. No matter who has it.

[@LuckyTheSaint]

I wrote this comment half way through the video an I was not ready for the motivation hypnosis aspect or the female hatred bit, wow just wow. I feel like I’ve had the wool pulled back from my eyes. I listen to those motivational videos a lot an im now gonna have a critical ear or I might just avoid them all together. Thank you so so much. This is like a “Andrew tate” antidote

[@LuckyTheSaint]

Ps I’m ex army

[@MartinRenner]

Very rare internet W I'm happy for you dude :)

[@rdrrr]

Women? Where we're going we don't need women. It's all about the Greco-Roman values.

[@datamale]

@@rdrrr Reject women, but spend every moment thinking about them in one way or another. Strange that.

[@Shoxic666]

@@datamale Do you even know what a woman is?

[@pinkharmonica1312]

@@datamale No, no you're not getting it. It's "Reject Women, Embrace your homies." Like the Greeks and the Romans did. Embrace the hole.

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

@@pinkharmonica1312 Holiest of the hole

[@asmodiusjones9563]

Man I remember when I started lifting as a 30-year-old about 10 years ago and was checking out KZbin for tips on form and workout plans. It was fine. There’d be a video on skeletal and muscle structure and another with cues to follow on lifts. That’s it. People disagreed on some form points (ass to grass or 90 degrees?) but the message was generally do what works for you to stay healthy. But slowly it went crazy. I would never let my sons watch fitness videos if they start to lift.

[@datamale]

I think this toxicity has always been there, to an extent. People like Zyzz don't become massively popular unless there's a market for them, abd I think his legacy set the trend for a lot of "gymcels" as we know them today. Of course, once something becomes a trend, it snowballs. So we have the extreme end-point of that ideology in the form of where we are today.

[@asmodiusjones9563]

@@datamale it was definitely always there, but only as small isolated pocket of dissatisfaction. Ten years ago no one would think people would watch your fitness channel because of how much you disparage women. But now they do, and it metastasized.

[@crusadedude6106]

I certainly noticed this with my friends during high-school, I lived in austria and high-school goes from age 14/15-19/20, and during that time I was friends with two guys, they were pretty much the only two people who would barely tolerate my existence, we did all our projects at school together, I was the odd one out in the group being a queer woman, but I noticed that when my friends were about 17 they both got really into fitness, the whole self betterment thing, I initially thought nothing of it, pretty quickly all they wanted to talk about was gym stuff, I'm no stranger to hyperfixations so I listened, but over time I noticed that sure, they had bigger muscles but they were just becoming vain, shallow, salty people. All they cared about was looks and looking better than other people. They also started projecting their insecurities onto me, which is weird but I guess being the odd one out in the friendgroup made me an easy target for them. I was taller than them, still probably am, I'm 5'11, I only know one woman taller than me, and they started making lame jokes about me being too tall for a woman. Then they started attacking me for my weight (I am average weight for someone of my height), my manerisms, my sexuality (the fact that I am not attracted to men was a big issue that they saw needing correction), and then they both kept telling me about the potential I had to become a lifter by being tall I guess. It all just felt weird and gross, especially as the two became more and more homophobic I kind of distanced myself. I don’t know if they got that from gym videos or whatnot but I'm guessing it might have been. I moved away recently, started life in a new country, I still check in on them, they seem to maybe be doing a little bit better but I'm not sure, they occasionally jokingly ask for me to ship them steriods, I'm not sure how much of a joke it is, to be honest. I think one guy was honestly just doing the gym stuff to be more attractive, I don’t think he's ever had a girlfriend, and I think he wanted to make himself more appealing to women, but he also ended up becoming a raging misogynist in the process. The other guy is on track to becoming the same, but he at least has somebody and that seems to be slowing the decent. I hope both of them will find their way out of this, I'm concerned both will become full on nazis some day.

[@datamale]

I'm sorry you experienced that, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a unique experience. It really seems that these teenage boys are susceptible to any rhetoric that preys on their insecurity and desire for power, which makes it very easy to fill them with a power fantasy or supremacist ideals, basically giving them that sense of importance they've so far been lacking. Combine that with how shallow society and, to a greater extent, internet culture is, you end up with a melting pot of toxic ideas that lead them down a very dark path.

[@MegaKarotin]

Thank you for this, I've been agitated by this crap all over instagram with gym bros who read ( or didn't ) one book about stoicism and think they've got it all figured out

[@papapavlov5407]

you have the test levels of a 80yo grandma

[@weaksauce13]

I wasn't completely on board with your video on the glorification of war in video games but it was interesting and I checked some of your other videos and this and I think you make good shit, you've earned a sub and you deserve more. I've been learning about "Broicism" as a warped understanding of Stoicism that a lot of the gym bro and "red pill" self improvement crowd latches onto and it fits with a lot of what you talk about here, interesting stuff. worried my cousin IRL might be falling down this rabbit hole

[@BigPlonkerAlt]

One of your best yet brother. Hope a lot of people see this

[@datamale]

@@BigPlonkerAlt really appreciate the love!

[@pfergee]

Your content is fantastic and you should be proud of such a consistently high quality collection of work

[@airtightGiraffe]

Thank you for going into detail, not complying to the unecessary and also dangerous modern habit of oversymplifying complex topics. Great content

[@sarapocorn]

Coming here as a proud female member of the Swoletariat and this was great - will be sticking around.

[@datamale]

@@sarapocorn 💪💪💪

[@LunarWolf-H8]

Coming here after you gave heads to BLM members and tripping you're social justice warrior

[@willemhilberdink6973]

Amazing videos, surprised these don’t have more views. Having worked in the fitness industry and being permanently online this video really hits

[@JurgMudveins]

Massive fan buddy. Keep plugging away and more folks are going to realise you've got a lot of important things to say

[@datamale]

Thanks so much for the kind words! It's honestly such an honour to have a platform to voice these things that are so important to me.

[@soupmix999]

This video was amazing! I'm super happy to have found your channel and the consistent quality you pump out with each video

[@datamale]

@@soupmix999 Thank you so much!

[@MartinRenner]

Outstanding video!

[@EnderGraff1]

I like your words talky man

[@Nodiee1]

Wonderful video! We really need more creators who approach fitness and self improvement for men in more healthy and pro-social ways. These kinds of people are far too popular with young men and it ultimately really hurts the people who consume this content and the people in their lives.

[@urlauber2884]

You make really good videos. Keep it up. You packaged it so well it took me till point 7) to recognize Umberto Eco (who doesn't have the best definition imo, but good work).

[@ShadowLifter09]

I feel kinda sad that this video isn't popular. I didn't notice any video touching this topic 19:13 Funny story about him. I remember that I got beef with him in the comment about the video of his title "Wife beater in a tank top". I got piss off by this video when I realized that he couldn't speak Polish to me. Why would he put a Polish flag when he can't speak Polish, doesn't know any Polish traditions, and all he has is a surname from his father who left him? In the end, Instagram deleted that video. Anyway, I just wish we could get more videos that address this topic, maybe youngsters will open eyes and will go outside to look how reality works.

[@ABenAbides]

... Now I know how I'm going to start the next fitness cult

[@Jaydilfied]

Amazing love the vid. Keep it up man.❤❤

[@datamale]

@@Jaydilfied appreciate the support!

[@pinkharmonica1312]

Outstanding video dude.

[@gwiezdnopyowykrzyzowiec692]

Thanks for addresing that topic. Its such a looser move to attack insecure teens and pump negativity into them to get yourself some dirty cash

[@datamale]

I agree. It's disgusting to drag these boys down under the guise of "helping" them.

[@FinnA07]

Dude, your videos are amazing. Great Insight, presentation and Editing. You cover a lot of important Topics. I hope you get more reach, because you talk about these Topics in such an easy to understand way. I loved this Video, as well as the FPS-Propaganda video so much. Absolutly superb

[@kaylastynes9568]

Dude the nicocado avocado bit is so funny and ironic in light of his recent reveal lmao

[@Sile-na-gcioch]

Really great, thorough video! Reminds me of the How to Radicalize a Normie / Alt Right Playbook series. I also think it's really cool that you include charities relevant to the video, I've never heard of them before.

[@datamale]

@@Sile-na-gcioch That's high praise, considering those videos are breadtube canon. And yeah, I don't want to JUST complain and not try to make material contributions to fixing the problem. Until I'm big enough to make every video a partnered fundraiser, the charity shoutouts will continue.

[@Tovarisch_Shen]

Amazing video essay, thank you so much for this

[@datamale]

@@Tovarisch_Shen So glad you lenjoyed it!

[@Luffz]

Great video. Articulated everything I've felt in these circles. Tying it with Ur-Fascism was 😗👌

[@datamale]

Thank you! I didn't wanna dump all of that on the audience right off the bat, ya know? If I push too much at once, the people who need to hear it won't listen. I need them to agree with what I'm saying BEFORE they understand the gravity of the situation.

[@Luffz]

@@datamale You're doing a great job with that imo. This is the approach that cuts through to the target audience instead of being a lefty-circle jerk. Keep up the great work 💜 When I was younger, it was these kinds of arguments that pushed me left.

[@LiamLoves]

16:39 Actually good advice, bad company corrupts good morals.

[@laksh_ayy]

Alex Leonidas, previously "alpha destiny" is another of the helpful and reasonable fitness creator.

[@Cinderbox]

Yo I just got here. Excellent video xxx

[@Ramirez4565]

I liked your video game video from 2 years ago. Might we expect a follow up? God bless!

[@datamale]

Got a couple game videos lined up after my current project, actually!

[@Ramirez4565]

@@datamale Great, thanks and have a great weekend. Blessings!

[@cesarmartorano6903]

Funny u didn't mentioned Scheereddzz, talking about how men NEED to have kids in their early 20's and be a man others depend on

[@fourtwothreeone4231]

That's crazy good. I've watched a old video by you because it was recommended to me, and I liked a lot and decided to watch another. This one is even better. Now I HAVE TO WATCH ANOTHER ONE, because your work seems to be amazing.

[@sani35694]

Babe wake up Data Male just dropped another banger!!!

[@datamale]

@@sani35694 Ahh appreciate the love!

[@virtualsocialretreat8234]

they spout the weirdest rage bait under the guise of "wholesome motivation". i'm tired of it all. they survive off of the occasional "wholesome" post

[@datamale]

I'm so sick of it. And then you call out their toxicity and they misdirect to: "Oh so self-improvement is bad huh?" It's so cowardly and I can't believe people genuinely fall for it.

[@scottandcoke1342]

I watched this on 3 x speed and it was still too slow. Good vid though.

[@zawrator4457]

Average gen alpha attention span

[@nolin335]

Hmm actually really interesting, especially the point about the “cringe” reaction vids. Something always rubbed me the wrong way about those like how it was so obvious the reactor only wanted to humiliate and lambast under the guise of health instead of offering health advice or alternatives to what they were “critiquing”. Havent finished it but honestly watched more than I thought i would for a random recommends vid

[@datamale]

@@nolin335 Way back in November I released a video on Isaac Butterfield and his lack of fitness expertise in making fun of fat people. That actually began as a "Anti-Anti-Fat Acceptance" video, highlighting the exact issue you just pointed out. Anybody can tell you that being overweight can be unhealthy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. What matters to me is what each of these content creators bring to the table AFTER that. That's where people like Itay fall short. As long as you put someone else down in the process, you can distract the viewer from how mediocre you really are. It's not expertise, it's not science, and it's not useful. It's theater, for cynical content creators who want to put themselves on a pedestal over those they look down on.

[@SeyitHallo]

This video needs way more attention

[@datamale]

@@SeyitHallo Well hey, if you see this discourse pop up elsewhere, at least you have a resource to link to! I wanted it to be more comprehensive and relevant than simply: "Gym = Fash"

[@go_offurself8748]

This video is so underrated

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

there are way too many weirdoes on the internet.

[@i.c.3300]

The Umberto Eco list was striking as it reminded me of a lot of Nazi propaganda strategies. Great vid as always!!

[@zawrator4457]

Good overview of these grifters, but missing the forest for the trees in the conclusion: People (or men here) who are happy or fulfilled are not receptive to radicalisation. What these grifters exploit is a general sense of discontent and lack of community which modern men increasingly experience. Current culture is massively gynocentric, seeking to undo the perceived injustice of previous societal models, which leads to an ever increasing amount of men falling through the cracks socially. Unless you address that in some way in the future, this is just going to continue or get worse, even if you manage to shut down this particular expression of it.

[@garysmith6218]

I wonder if gym bros have ever considered the possibility that women cheat on them or leave them for someone else because they're so goddam boring?

[@datamale]

The problem is, that would require them to think about their own negative traits that push others away. That requires self awareness and reflection, harder exercises than anything in a gym.

[@rdrrr]

Reject modernity (women) RETVRN to tradition (topping weaker men)

[@rdrrr]

Nobody deserves to be cheated on. People do that shit because they're morally vacuous. Nobody's to blame for cheating except the cheater.

[@MrAnton013]

​@@rdrrrYou are seeing things very superficially. That's not a good way to see and analyze something so complex as human nature.

[@rdrrr]

@@MrAnton013 Do tell me how being cheated on is a moral failing, then. Also be honest, would you treat the situation differently if it was a woman who was cheated on compared to a man?

[@benh6452]

Dude that would be like if i had a channel for recovering cocaine addicts showing myself sniffing up grans of cocaine once a day cuz ya know i gotta treat myself

[@wghd6782]

That Eco Drop was fucking amazing 39:53