HOW TO REGISTER A ROAD LEGAL EBIKE AS AN L1e MOPED

[@2wheelsrbest327]

Thanks andy great video. My son has brought one and tries to use it discretely ie pedals when he spots a Copper and its got me interested in buying one. Aged 72 and keen cyclist and motorcyclist I want something like this to use locally and the proper motorbike for longer trips. Only this country would we need to go through all of this to be able to ride one. I would rather jump through this hurdles though than risk getting nicked and having the bike crushed by the law. This video and your others will certainly make this process that much easier now though. Thanks Ted

[@Gadgetdad007]

Your speakers will give better stereo imaging if you have the tweeters nearest to the side walls rather than the woofer. 👍

[@Fred_FPV]

Hi Andy, just a heads up - you've put V55/5 form in the description, but you mean the V55/4 form. The V55/5 is for registering used vehicles. Caused me some confusion so just wanted to point that out! Thanks a lot.

[@andymoger3614]

Did you manage to register yours ? Could you let me know how you filled out the ministers approval certificate application

[@neddo66]

Andy NOT boring thanks for taking the time to post this I listened intensely going to save this so I can get a bike on the road

[@wozit1]

Cool thanks, I seen other videos you made, there are a lot about building a bike out there, but this is the kind of information that is hard to find out. Plus the less the inspectors get annoyed the better for all.

[@morganmitchell4017]

I was beginning to think it would never happen. Good job!!!

[@neilgodfrey2669]

Can’t be arsed to do all this. I’ll just risk it

[@lewis2349]

Do you think they would accept the surron l1e says road legal not sure tho. Very good vid btw helpful

[@christianturner]

I live in Estonia, Europe I tried to register my enduro as an L1e moped. I wasted about 400 Euros. Problems: The Enduro frame is not made by me. The use of spare parts is not allowed. Spare parts are those parts that can be purchased at a bike shop. I have to make all the parts myself, complete stupidity and an extremely unpleasant attitude.

[@andykirby]

Wow that’s completely ridiculous.

[@e-bikerbulgaria]

Sell your bike to UK, resident, they put it through the MSVA, then buy the bike back.

[@waerlogauk]

since no commercial manufacturer makes all their own parts this is completely daft.

[@nicolasjules579]

Thanks UE regulation and bureaucrats.

[@Mobile_Dom]

I'd love to see in a future bike you wire up a Type-2 EV charger, not at the full 3.7kW charging speed, but just having a type-2 charger would be cool on what is essentially a lower speed E motorcycle

[@crewgadjy]

I realise this is a few years ols now but if you are going through this process don\t get a smaller plate get a full size UK Legal One. The Police are bound to give you a tug at some point if they see you on one of these and a small plate will cost you up to a £1000, though it is normally only £100 that is bad enough.

[@PhilC184]

If you're not a major manufacturer it seems like the system defaults to 1960's processes. But well done for taking the pain so you can pass it on!

[@JOSEPHBURBOSR]

Absolutely grateful to have you share your knowledge and experience. Appreciate it a lot. 👍🏻

[@andyc18865]

Your one hellova inspiration to Ebike owner's Andy. Bet you cant wait to get it on the road (legally) for a change lol. Could put or send a link to your online shop please. Well done Andy.

[@tregarrock4197]

Well done mate been a sub for about a year but have been watching for quite a while. Really enjoyed this one.

[@mountainlion4853]

I personally would just ride on the left lane as a cyclist and keep my speed within the limits. Keep it looking more like a bike and with dual on and off-road tires. For the headache and cost its better to buy a road-ready bike be it electric or petrol, if petrol then convert it to electric in time.

[@UrbanOutcasK]

£290 insurance 🤯 I pay that for my fully comp 370Z. Hopefully by the time I get to build one insurance companies can package policies together as I can't use all these vehicles at the same time. P.S. great video content fella 👍😎

[@danielgreen4213]

Great video again Andy thanks for breaking it down look forward to the final stage in regards to insurance.

[@fiveminuteman]

Do you need road tax or is it exempt? Be good if you dont need to do CBT as that's a load of ball ache.👍

[@simong6855]

You can ride a moped on a full car licence without CBT if you passed before a certain year, sorry not sure what that year is without looking.

[@andykirby]

It’s 2001

[@evukelectricvehicles]

Suggestions for good, low-cost anti-Cold-Wet-Filthy Weather gear, Andy and viewers ? All very well having a fast ebike - but unpredictable and 'orrible British weather is the real challenge. Has anyone found any magic cheap solutions ? PS. I frequently also use oversized, short wellington boots lined with thick and cosy insoles - I got sick of having to dry out expensive shoes and soaked socks. The problem with all-weather gear of course is that you have to find somewhere to put it all when you get to your destination. It's ultimately because of the weather that most people eventually give up on bikes and ebikes and get a car..or electric car. (PS. and of course the faster you go on your ebike the colder it feels and the harder the rain hits you !) Paul G

[@maciejpsyk]

There seem to be a strange difference in law between "top design speed" (of 45 kph for L1e-B) and "top speed" of 50 kph. Most mopeds for AM driving licence will show 45 kph / 28 mph, but I have 50 kph on my driving licence. It couldn't be more confusing, but both speed seem to apply to the same AM class (or B for driving licences from before 2001). Thus the actual top speed is 50 kph / 31 mph or 5 kph above the "design". Would you agree?

[@VengeanceMT]

Can you do a video talking about registering a ebike under L3e A1?

[@richardball1905]

Did you have to take the bike somewhere to have the VIN stamped in the frame?

[@HisnameisRich]

You can stamp them yourself, you can buy vin plates and stamp kits and attach them yourself.

[@DidntKnowWhatToPut1]

Most garages will do it for you

[@boastyy]

Thanks Andy I don't even have an electric bike but watched the video all the way through , very interesting. I'm sure the information is very valuable to anyone thinking of registering their bike. I'm sure the system needs to be updated for diy electric bike makers to make the process a bit easier. Seems like the sections pertaining to the motor engines could be omitted to avoid confusion and its 2020 should be able to answer the questions on an online form.I expected the insurance to be cheaper ,even with your points but hopefully that will drop substantially after the first year of riding. Great info thanks for the upload mate..

[@andreasn9791]

Hi Andy. Are you intersted in a product that improves power output to your wind turbin ?

[@gasmanrus]

Nice one andy, helpful to a lot of people!

[@andycompton4885]

Excellent.. been waiting a long time for such videos, many thanks. Love the channel and the great content. Andy

[@frederickoparah1669]

Thank you for this, seriously thank you!!!!!

[@TKomoski]

Not boring at all this is need to know stuff *Cheers*

[@maxtrav1984]

Hi Andy, amazing video as I am just about to start this, with the exact same parameters as you (going for moped registration). That being said, the bike I have in mind is a 1500W (rated power) rear-wheel drive motor with a 48V 31.5Ah battery. Will that come under the moped bracket?

[@danielsmith7105]

Head up people the email address has changed, drop the .gsi bit.

[@BenSabersTV]

This is great but what and how do you sort out a 650w 48v Befang conversion kit? I'm having a horrible time trying to sort it out and just keep going in circles?

[@PhilRiphagen]

Couple of road style tires and it’ll look like a cool supermoto. With regards to the vin. How do you get that stamped/marked on the bike

[@Harry-id3jq]

Hi Andy just wandering if you can give me some tips on a electric bike due to me wanted to build seeing you you could help I’m not to far on lot down in cheshunt little bit after Harlow

[@cals.9269]

What about insurance Andy - any companies who are tuned into this / brave enough ?

[@waynewigger9904]

Why would you register a electric bike for the road when you can deregister a car and still drive it legally LAWS OF THE LAND .travel by any ways or means you fill fit ?

[@chmoduk]

I'm surprised on the insurance cost, last time i checked for my Honda 400 it was around £80/yr (Bennetts).

[@andykirby]

It might be High because it’s me😅

[@alexs5373]

andy kirby >> No its not you insurance company's don't like electric road bike yet much, or rather they don't cater for them especially harder if not a recognised brand not on ABI listings. Your on the money with insurance £ its worse with no no claims and perhaps not having full moto licence or riding history!

[@alexs5373]

Andy >> be cool if you can get a discount code or something for insuring through broker for 4000w electric, hell yeah ☺️

[@fiveminuteman]

@@andykirby it's because your very young 😀

[@jasoniffland7701]

Excellent stuff, maybe start a bike meet up, thanks for your videos,well done.

[@ryanprice2105]

Great video can we do this same process for high powered e scooter that have 100-1500w mothers plus, yet

[@andymoger3614]

Also as mine is not DIY would it be easier it has headlights and indicators etc , let me know cheers

[@CheapskateMotorsports]

I wonder if you could use these on cycle lanes? If so, the possibilities for this thing are endless. You wouldn't need to worry about which trail is a byway open to all traffic and which is pedestrian only - could be a real alternative to dirtbikes in the UK

[@TimpBizkit]

I mean I ride my 750 watt on bike paths just don't go full speed on it. Even on just pedals I don't go full speed on bike paths usually unless the visibility is obviously clear and the path is wide and vacant.

[@niir107]

@@TimpBizkit do I need to register my e bike if it has 750w?

[@matthill263]

Could you share a link to where to buy the lights / kick stand / mirrors? Thanks

[@TheDuckAndRogerTheHorse]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!! Even if you don't sell registered e-bikes we know it can be done!!!!!!! Here's a guide! YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH !!!!!!!!

[@francisjanssen7156]

Andy thank your mate: silly quickie. Side stand, does it need a cut off and does it need to be spring loaded (flicks up when you move)

[@andykirby]

A side stand doesn’t need a cut off if it can be shown that it will likely fold up when you move the bike forward. In my case it’s difficult to sit on the bike with the stand up because the suspension compresses so you have to fold it up pretty much as soon as you get on the bike, what’s important is that It needs a spring or mechanism to keep it in held in place whilst riding and when its down it holds the bike at an angle where it’s unlikely to fall over in all steering positions! 😁 Clear?!?

[@3.14Sauce]

Surely you don’t need to register a 2000w Ebike in the uk…right? 😅 Like the ridstar

[@keithbladen8776]

Nice one dude!!!!!!!!! Very informative, will be doing this once my ebike is finished.

[@g1fsh]

Veri informative video Andy loads of information on that one. Thanks mate.

[@rushbullet892]

Onyx is a 4000w ebike I've been thinking of buying one

[@skinnwalk3r586]

well done, but Andy do you happend to have an extra tft colorful display laying around i could buy from ya, need one for my electric bike

[@vu06vcp]

Andy iam now at the stage to book my MSVA test..Did you fill out all the paperwork or did the test centre do some ie the blue writing form.. Cheers mate.

[@peterturner7474]

Great Job Andy.

[@learnfootball9125]

Hi Not if this bike needs a VIN number EMOKO C93 Bought on eBay and I am not sure if it’s legal but went to decathlon and they told me I would need to register it’s dual motor and goes 50km but again it’s says off road so I am more confused

[@daztastic147]

Very useful video 🙌

[@lezbriddon]

have dvla changed number? "V55/4 Application for first vehicle tax and registration of a new motor vehicle"

[@andymoger3614]

Hi Andy I’ve got a stealth bomber 8000w e-bike could i register this the same way ?

[@sal2417]

750w doesn't need that right?

[@eliamasi8538]

Hi..mine is a 15000w China stealth, can mine be registered as a moped aswell?

[@riccardo1796]

So it's a 50cc How much stricter would the test be for an a2/a unlimited bike?

[@jake280390]

Hi I'm looking into this myself I have passed a mot without lights for daytime use will the bike pass a msva with no lights or mirrors thanks

[@drewbush6535]

I have 12,000 watt bike coming next week. I hope to get it registered

[@eliamasi8538]

Only 12,000?..mines 15000w 🙂

[@drewbush6535]

@@eliamasi8538 you have no videos? Like to see the 15000 bike!

[@eliamasi8538]

It's the one in my picture and no I haven't done a video yet but it's real quick and has some serious torque,it feels like my spine is being stretched when I blip the throttle

[@eliamasi8538]

Where are you?I'm in the uk

[@georgecookey5158]

@@eliamasi8538I’ll raise you one, mine’s on order from the Czech Republic, a 92v 40Ah, coupled with a 27kw mid-drive motor producing 160Nm of torque 🔋⚡️

[@andreglud]

I wonder if this could be done with a high-end e-scooter

[@andykirby]

Probably😊

[@MikePellett-ur8xx]

Niiiice ! Says enough! :)

[@Lee-ul9hp]

do you need a full motorcycle licence to ride a powerful ebike like 15000w

[@trevorroux1445]

Does this work in 2024-2025 the email says the DVLA Vin number application address cannot be found WTF??

[@EverythingEbikeChannel]

Brilliant work andy!

[@andykirby]

EverythingElectronics Channel thanks! I had a quick look on your channel, great stuff you are doing👌 sorry to hear about the fire... damn.

[@EverythingEbikeChannel]

@@andykirby thanks for the reply! Been greatly inspired by your Chanel and waiting for my enduro frame to be shipped soon.

[@andykirby]

Brilliant! Pleased to here that! keep up the good work😁

[@jaylord55]

sounds it resting process i looked briefly into getting my bike registered with Ontario, Ca and couldn't find much help with it iv been riding my e bike for 3 months now i find i barely pass 40kmh on it before i slow down and max speed e bikes are suppose to be is 32. After 40kmh i feel super unsafe lol so the chances of me getting my moped licence are slime to none . I had the same problem when i got my drivers licence and now i dont drive lol

[@patrickbonin137]

Hi Andy I pay 240 euros for my ebike insurance per year in France...❤😛

[@andykirby]

Hi mate, Interesting, doesn’t sound too bad what does it cover? 😁

[@patrickbonin137]

Good morning AndyOn the paper work it states I get up to 3500 euros for the bike if it gets stolen and for corporel and hospital up to 10000€Euro rate is about 1.13=1 pound.Its not alot but phone your House Insurance brokers and see if they can suggest a solution.I took outa Policy out three years ago and could only find 2 companies in the whole of France which were wiling to cover me.And recently a friend with a new e bike (worth about 4500€) is paying 270€ per annum.Its a good idea to get insured because if you have a accident at least some of the costs are offset and if its your fault and you wind up infront of a Judge it looks better (a responsible citizen) .With todays e scooters and e bikes going faster and faster its becoming a must.Especially if you knock over a pedestrian.In anycase the Insurance companys are going to rub their hands with glee !! It wont be long before the French authorities will impose a Green style dated Insurance duty stamp to stick on the frame,proving your insured.As for me I prefer to play safe,its all part of the game, next will a warning triangle,yellow vest,and a BAC tester !!! No more pints at the local mate.!!! In France for the car I have all three !!!

[@RamSagar-jn5be]

Electric cycle mein lagane ke liye yah price bataiye kitna hai

[@godwindracing6056]

Why not a 29er or 650b rather than a motorcycle wheel

[@David-h7k1b]

Do u think a 12000w will pass ?

[@Donnellys_Recycling]

Do I need to do all this for a road legal sur ron ? Or just fill in the v55/4

[@alexluckes6563]

wow ill wait to see but thats crazy money for insurance

[@cameronjones2658]

Hi andy i have a carrerra bike with a triangle battery about 800 watts max speed for 55mph it is pedal assist and throttle is it possible to register this type of bike as mainly used to get to and from work since i had a accident on my previous vehicle which was too damaged as this is a replacment so i was just curious as to if its possible? Thank you

[@smartazz]

Iv heard tax is a problem (I know it’s free but still not available as an e-bike class)

[@steve7163]

Excellent andy...is there a weight limit for registering as a moped/scooter ?

[@andykirby]

No don’t think so.

[@topgmotiv8tion]

I wouldn't mind being able to rip my ebike about without looking over my shoulder for plod but it kind of defeats the object of why I built it

[@davideserin]

Hey Andy, I’m doing the same process, but I’ve got the issue with insurance! Not sure if it’s because I’m in London, but getting refused by every specialist company I call. Really want to hear about this aspect!!

[@andykirby]

Ok, sit tight there’s going to be a video this week about it.

[@geraltkolopek2975]

Hey mate did you end up sorting out the bike? I've picked up a 5000w stealth bomber style ebike and want to go about getting it road legal and was wondering if there's any issues you come across

[@MrMrmarkpeck]

Hello Andy how much is the road tax for the first year or is it free 🤔 I also forgot to ask if you are registering it as a moped & what sort of maximum power can you set the speed controller at ? and as you mentioned that you haven't a motorbike licence you might have to take a CBT test which I believe only lasts for two years ? As I'm in the middle of building a 12000 watt enduro bike weighing in at 90 kg pretty heavy I know . very interested in this subject that you have brought up keep up the good work mate 🤝 Lucky enough I've done my motorbike test in 99 😰

[@andykirby]

Hi Mark, road tax is 100% discount because it’s electric. I’m registering as a 4KW (50cc equivalent) moped becuase it’s the most easy way of doing it, I’m not going to be going 60mph on this build so it’s fine for me. Acceleration to 30mph is why I got into this stuff😁 I have full moped entitlement on my license so don’t need a CBT or L plates. My bike is capable of 14kW off road 😅 Your bike sounds cool, it would come under the 125cc bracket I reckon, which of course you can ride with your full license😁

[@littlemagiic7255]

Does the same rules apply if i wanted to register a surron on road its one with lights and indicators ect already built in

[@andykirby]

I think you can shortcut it because there are some already registered in the UK, you probably only need to apply for a V5 if it has a VIN number.

[@littlemagiic7255]

@andykirby I'm not sure if it has a vin or not I bought it from someone else not brand new, were would I find a vin

[@frederickoparah1669]

I have a question, I want register a scooter as a moped, but should it still register is a self build, or something else?? There is no VIN number of course and I have modified this scooter to the standard that meet the MSVA approved to class this as a legal road worthy moped.

[@andykirby]

Yeah if it hasn’t got a certificate of conformity it would come under kits and rebuilds so you’d need to MSVA it. If it’s a moped it should be easy.

[@frederickoparah1669]

@@andykirby ahhh man thanks for replying it does have a coc but I have needed to add alot of things, the tires are NHS so not suitable so changed, no E-marked headlight and rear light so changed no horn etc. The coc say it's a scooter too. Just dont want to get blocked.... what you think? Sorry also it for not have a vin number.

[@marcusvirgo5820]

Does it need to have a brake light is so is this any easy job ,also does the head light have to have high beam as mine is just an led light that came with the bike from China, mines 72v 5000 watt very similar style to yours any info greatly appreciated Andy

[@andykirby]

Yeah it needs a brake light. Doesn’t need a main beam.

[@GSTTactics]

Hi do you do finance in your bikes ?

[@indrajeet]

Hi Andy, really liked your video. I'm an e svooter rider (blade 10 e pro). Do you think it would be possible to register my e scooter as an electric motor cycle with minor modifications I.e seat and mirrors? Would really appreciate your help.

[@eregoldamite8739]

U need a certificate of compilance

[@hhead56]

Thanks, well done.

[@DavidGilesColorado]

why wouod you do that?The beauty of an ebike is that i does not require registration or insurance. My ebike hs 2 1000 watt motors and it flies. No license no insurance????????????

[@andykirby]

I also have bikes that remain as ebikes. The purpose of this is to show those who want to do it. For some doing 40mph in the middle of the road legally is a requirement for commuting etc.

[@DavidGilesColorado]

@@andykirby ok. I hear you

[@fpvlee1586]

You sir are a gentleman 👍

[@fourdee4d]

Legend.

[@bigjohn5460]

Hi mate emailed you couple weeks back

[@AlbertsDad]

Toyed with this idea and then came to my senses, why bother? Just get a motorbike or scooter. You do this and then you can't green lane, go in cycle lanes, nip on pavement if it looks too hazardous, cut through short cuts etc etc. Absolutely no point unless you just plan on staying on the road... so just get a motorbike instead.

[@eraldorh]

The VIN number is the reason you should build your ebike/e-motorcycle on an existing chassis.

[@andykirby]

Nah...

[@danielgreen4213]

I think the vin seemed one of the easiest parts..if you were going for a full motorbike instead of an moped it may be worth while only if its powerful enuf to make it worth while. But I think the moped is the way to go to make things easier for most people if they would like to go down this route.

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

That's what vortecks is gonna do eventually so we will see if it's easier or not. But everything is easier said than done

[@highheels200]

Does it then need an annual MOT after 3 years?

[@alexs5373]

Andy >> Sure does need annual mot after 3 years 👍

[@CALLOUSMANNER1]

If you wanted to SELL a bike as a purely off-road vehicle would you need to bother with all of this? Please let me know, cheers.

[@ifimark9949]

You'll still have people calling about you since you said in the last video you'll de-restrict it over 4kW.

[@andykirby]

Haha! They can bring it on😁

[@wrightfamily4373]

I’m guessing your actually going to need a cbt or motorbike license to actually ride this or am I wrong ?

[@chloedevereaux1801]

nope

[@davey2k12]

Martin Fowler 😭😂😂😂

[@markifi]

is it still legal on the bike path?

[@andykirby]

If you take the number plate off and pedal then I don’t see why not

[@markifi]

@@andykirby magnetic plate holder ftw

[@bikerdel8837]

Is it legal to use it ! It's over 250w .

[@barrybadass3481]

Nice.

[@e-bikerbulgaria]

Salutes!

[@natty5861]

insurance is void if you change it back

[@yj8471]

Any old bill watching this will be an education as to what to look for as regards illegal ebikes 🤔

[@ifimark9949]

@@yj8471 right but it's so easy to hide your chosen method of de-restriction that if you won't crash or cause damage at a million miles an hour while on camera they would have a really difficult time proving you've done anything to the bike. Doesn't make it right, but it's the reality. This could even be switched by proximity to a bluetooth beacon if you want to be really tricky about it.