How to remove the governor and gain Horsepower for FREE! Honda GX120 GX160 GX200 Predator MOD

[@fordyford]

Cool disclaimer hahaha. I advertise as "how I did" not "how to" lol. Can't wait to se this revving and drifting.

[@thomaserickson3043]

That's fine and dandy until you put the connecting rod through the side of the block from over revving. The governor is in there for a reason besides regulating engine speed and power output. Unless you install a billet aluminum connecting rod in it don't expect the engine to last long, the oem aluminum rod will break

[@T.A.G]

read 99% of forums and they'll tell you, the Honda will get valve float long before any hard failure, of rod or flywheel, any hard failure is possible but its always circumstantial

[@dion6034]

Well, we can all agree that you will push your engine to its limit. And that always comes with a risk.

[@zacharyenck1087]

@@T.A.Gim sure honda puts in forged parts into these little engines

[@samwich539]

then don't overrev it?

[@T.A.G]

And sit at boring power levels all day. Nahhhhh

[@JayEllis76]

Been told to add heavier valve springs when you remove the governor. helps prevent the insane rpm jump from nuking th engine as quickly

[@NevaFold-y5z]

Been told not to upgrade the springs until you have upgraded the rod and flywheel as the valve float from stock springs will save your engine from being over revved

[@T.A.G]

This is correct

[@ryanshack7680]

A Little late here, you will get a tad bit of a benefit from the heavy valve springs, but expect to change the camshaft before usual, as it'll wear it out a tad faster, it also may cause engine failure since it won't let the valves float as easily meaning the engine will start pushing past it, unless the ignition system has some sort of rev limit, like my Honda GX390 has a 4000rpm limit before it cuts off, please please get a tachometer if your removing the governor to try your best to prevent the engine from turning into a aluminum paper weight

[@JayEllis76]

@ryanshack7680 been running my 196 with 26lb springs for over 2 years, hasn't blown up yet

[@marionthompson7482]

If you over rev the engine you're going to blow it how long is that thing going to last running at Full Throttle half an hour

[@T.A.G]

Most modifications will lessen the lifespan of an engine. These however get valve float before catastrophic failure

[@Zscheigwai]

You left in the pin that the governor gear rides on, is it built into the crank case?

[@mbc1p]

does it matter i just took it out and put my sidecover back on

[@manuelhilario6192]

So i did this and i covered the hole at the top of the motor and now it wont start up.. any idea what happened? I think there is no compression because the pull cord has no resistance.. if you could help it would be much appreciated

[@T.A.G]

Could be a number of things mate. Have you ever had trouble with the pull start sprawl before? The bits that flick put and engage the pull start? If that's fine then pull the side cover off and make sure the timing marks are aligned. If you have a little resistance but no compression resistance its likely the timing/cam gear has moved from its position when you lifted the cover. Let us know what you find :)

[@JM-yx1lm]

That would not cause no compression. You have done something else

[@Lukedormer]

Rocker arm fallen of when you moved the cam gear

[@richardatido6115]

Haha I did the very same thing but could no longer get compresure and I thought my engine is doomed! But hey don't worry just go check on the trappers and re-adjust it to get the compresure and you are good to go

[@T.A.G]

This has nothing to do with tappers. Something else has happened

[@nvery5497]

I dont remove the governor. But i adjust the governor arm to make the rpm higher. Is it suitable?

[@T.A.G]

While it is a solution it can cause issues. The governor can actually tear apart inside the engine and cause catastrophic damage. So I would recommend removing it completely and correctly

[@effyoo6081]

It's very suitable. Those extra holes are there for a reason. To utilize. Using them will cause no harm as thats how this was designed. Actually, removing the governor can cause the motor to detonate like a bomb at high ungoverned speeds. Using the holes on the arm are specifically what you are supposed to do. Want to ride around on a bomb? Degovern a Chinese predator. I bought a tillotson

[@effyoo6081]

@@T.A.G how will doing what the manual specifications say to do, be detrimental?

[@T.A.G]

@@effyoo6081 some motors don't have several holes. Like the Honda gx120 in the demo. If you leave the governer in and rev it harder the governor can tear itself to pieces which will cause catastrophic failure. While one could argue the point of having a flywheel explode, Honda's being a well made engine its been proven many times over that they'll get valve float before anything serious happens like catastrophic failure like you're saying. The weak point is the cast flywheel as many carting forums will tell you, people have had them shatter when pushing them but only when they've dome alot.of other work to make them rev

[@effyoo6081]

@@T.A.G absolutely. Little gear inside is plastic and will tear to shreds. If it has no holes in the arm, don't drill any, remove the gov. I remove all of mine, honda, predator, tilly, but they all have four locations on the arm. Including the hondas. Even my duralast has them.

[@BoomTerra]

Is this the same with a Honda gx 340 11hp

[@Nottsmodifiedcarchannel]

not sure if id take it out on my gx160 tbh but was worth a watch for ideas and stuff i got same engine i was putting on my KZbin project over at notts modified car channel but i shall see got some good videos fella keep up the work :)

[@T.A.G]

Glad I could help

[@Cal3b587]

Idk why so many people are bitching about you not using a tripod i don't see i could follow what you were doing just fine

[@T.A.G]

People just like to whinge

[@MrE_]

1 year later, how is the motor holding up?

[@T.A.G]

held up fine, was sold on twice since

[@iamyzdemon5717]

Does this actually make a huge difference though? I have the gx190 on a yerfdog but it’s slow asf! Powerful but slow, does this correct that?

[@T.A.G]

It allpws the enginw to rev which can help keeep you in a powerband lpnger

[@petrolheadshed]

Maybe look into changing your gear ratio

[@zackaryschneider8652]

How to to move the gobnah

[@asifsheriff9722]

Bro. Im from india. I have a gasoline water pump. 3hp. Going to modif as long tail boat motor. Can i remove governer and control speed on carburetor. Please advice.

[@samwich539]

you probably can, check in the online forums

[@ryanshack7680]

A Tachometer will help tremendously as you can watch the rpm and control the throttle based on what it says

[@saadantabusafwan9787]

Thanks for sharing with us ❤️ I love it, But it seems like u left a small washer inside the engine.

[@T.A.G]

What time stamp? Now I'm curious 🤣

[@ricobico1872]

​@@T.A.GOh my god....that is quite dangerous!!

[@T.A.G]

@ricobico1872 not quite. It's well documented that these engines get valve float before they shatter flywheels etc. But that being said. It's to be taking with caution with everything you modify.

[@leftturnman6254]

How did you remove the circlip?

[@T.A.G]

Pretty sure a screwdriver, I put it in the video didn't I? It's been a while so I can't remember haha

[@kaleosantos6313]

How did it run after you took the governor off man

[@T.A.G]

Awesome!

[@DRFTH43]

Hey what did you use to block that hole ? 😅

[@T.A.G]

Oddly enough, a piece of the PCV from a Ford falcon

[@motorsandmeats88]

What did you use to plug the hole?

[@T.A.G]

Just a part I had laying around that fit perfectly

[@motorsandmeats88]

@@T.A.G in case I don’t have any perfectly sized parts lying around, can you recommend anything specific to safely plug the hole? 😬

[@T.A.G]

@@motorsandmeats88 you could measure the hole with a vernier. And tap the hole and put a bolt in it. Or some jb weld and a bolt etc. I've seen people use a nut, bolt and washer but I wouldn't trust it

[@alexcrafter_]

You dont "have to" take it out, you can just disconnect it, it does the same thing

[@T.A.G]

If you just disconnect it there is a possibility of the internals of the governor letting go and becoming debris. This can in turn completely destroy the engine

[@Kolammadirijaya99]

Min kalau mau pasang karbu motor harus mencopot governer ga ya

[@philipboyles2212]

If I remove the governor on a gx200, why do I have to remove the governor arm? If it is not contacting the removed governor, isn't is just a pivot at this point?

[@T.A.G]

It will likely just spin around and make a rattle

[@alexcrafter_]

What i did is ground it down to like 2 or 3 cm and put the pin in and put some gasket sealer on it and put it back in. Nothing to rattle around and stop oil from spraying out

[@uwebuehrle6381]

Make a new linkage to the carburator or there are even better aftermarket carburators out there.. Get the governor spring off and the link to the throttle, and you do not have to open the gear case.Govenor has no more influence now everything is manual.

[@T.A.G]

Until the governor explodes and grenades the engine from the inside.. there is a reason it's removed haha

[@ricardomelo4097]

How mutch hp gain? Congratulations I like your channel

[@zFlexFPS]

How much more hp Will u get in the gx200? Its 6.5 stock but What do u get out of it if u remove the Governor

[@T.A.G]

Not sure to be honest

[@joelpyy446]

@@T.A.G is this mod worth it are there any risks to it? im kinda scared to do this

[@T.A.G]

@@joelpyy446 definitely worth it but it has to be done right. Have s Google and do a bit of research to see if it's right for you. It can reduce engine life and other mods may have other affects too

[@creativityworld6781]

it can produce 15hp .. from others' videos

[@DarkLinkAD]

9-11hp on average

[@str8xrippin]

Wait why not just remove the crankshaft and remove the gear or sprocket that turns the governor. No need to cut and do all that work

[@T.A.G]

You could. But contrary to alot of forums I wanted to prove you don't have to

[@str8xrippin]

@@T.A.G oh okay, I find it easier to just remove the crankshaft. I've removed one on a 79cc that way at it works great

[@benjaminevans1171]

Amazing video

[@FixNewsPlease]

"Ruin your engine" also "I'm not responsible" LOL

[@T.A.G]

Potential is always there. Lol

[@effyoo6081]

No HP "gains" here. Same motor, same carb, same HP. Just unlocking an rpm limiter.

[@chris-jb5ds]

correct. If you want more HP you need more fuel more ignition timing more air and better cooling. The governor only limits speed. I can tune my L100 from 9hp to 15hp but anything past 11hp and it starts to get hot quick.

[@effyoo6081]

@@chris-jb5ds I run my tillotson 212r at around 12hp. 10 out of the box. Its the perfect long haul motor. Power and longevity. I hate walking back if something happens

[@str8xrippin]

@@effyoo6081 walking back is the worst

[@DarkLinkAD]

@@effyoo6081 All Predator 212s output 9-11hp with governer removal.

[@effyoo6081]

@@DarkLinkAD sadly, no. Removing the governor gives no additional horsepower. It merely lets the motor spin up to higher rpm's. Higher rpm means more top speed at the same horsepower. I'd love to see your dyno test, where did you get that info. The fact you say "8 or 9" means you have no idea. Adding a header and bigger jets,now that makes more horses. More air and fuel, more hp. Add 18lb springs to keep that mixture tight, more hp. Add induction(forced air) hp. Add nitrous, more volatile powerful fuel, more hp. Higher spins adds no hp. It merely unlocks the full spin potential.

[@bradlwykfulbright]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!! For pressure washing I am going to use this knowledge!! Help my business!!!! Thank you, brother!!

[@aa-bv6nm]

how fast your go kart go with that mod

[@T.A.G]

There's are many factors like gearing, wheels size etc to answer that

[@Raaddller]

Can't we just disconnect the governor externally and go for a matching mikuni carb instead?

[@T.A.G]

You can. However the risk is that the governer destroys itself and will leave shrapnel in the engine which can lead to catastrophic failure

[@gabrielnapolitano189]

Thanks for the video. How many hp did you increased the power ?

[@obviouslytwo4u]

0 extra horsepower as this will only increase the rpm range

[@tom6493]

@@obviouslytwo4u HP is just a function of torque x RPM. Increase in revs = increase in HP…

[@obviouslytwo4u]

@@tom6493 RPM is how many rotations the engine will do every minute and horsepower is how much weight a engine can push on each ignition stroke. So by taking the government out on a Honda gx160 engine will not increase the horsepower it will only increase the RPM range the throttle stays wide open for longer the governor will restrict to 3000rpm because the governor is made up of centrifugal weights so when an engine has reached the 3000rpm the weight will spin out that is pushing a lever that will transfer it through a rod that is attached to the throttle

[@tom6493]

@@obviouslytwo4u really? Well I never knew that…🙄🤦‍♂️ I’m also fully aware what a Governor does as I’ve worked on marine diesels bigger than your house so wind your beak in, you might learn something. Firstly, Horsepower is NOT “how much weight an engine can push on each ignition stroke”. Torque is the effort (work, or weight as you’re calling it) and HP is how much work can be done in a given time, hence why HORSEPOWER is a function of TORQUE x REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE. The engine may be rated at 6.5hp at a governed RPM but that doesn’t mean its ALL the engine can produce. Secondly, the Governor, which is actuated via spinning weights (at least you got that bit right), operates DIRECTLY on the throttle butterfly, controlling the air/fuel flow, it’s the removal of this control and not the Governor itself that increases RPM as the butterfly can then be opened fully, allowing more air and fuel in, increasing RPM and thus, power. Don’t believe me, you’re on KZbin, I suggest you use it to enlighten yourself…

[@tom6493]

@@obviouslytwo4u fuck it, let’s give you a quick maths lesson: if we use 6.5hp at 3000rpm and work backwards, we can find the torque (in lbs/ft) so, 6.5/3000 x 5252 =11.38lbs/ft. Now we know the torque, we can calculate the HP for a higher RPM, e.g. 11.38 x 5000/5252 = 10.84hp. See, simple…

[@thelecko481]

Thank you sir

[@jrbbikerx3309]

You should use a PUNCH not a screwdriver when you push the cut shaft through

[@T.A.G]

People should do a lot of things. But we all do what we do

[@Z-Ack]

Well you should take a punch and drink a screwdriver there mr helpful.. who gives a hard fuck? Do you stand next to the guys when you bring in your car for any work and nag em the whole time?

[@georgesinclair3968]

Nice jobs

[@吳士賢-o2v]

What would be the effect or change of removing the flywheel?

[@T.A.G]

It won't run

[@吳士賢-o2v]

@@T.A.G What will be the effect or change if the speed control gear is removed?

[@squarebodySpringman]

good video other than that slirp that made me cringe. That was just nasty lol

[@bjusticeforever]

Hell, while you're removing your governor, might as well install a turbocharger and nitrous. Seriously, bad advice removing the governor. The factory wouldn't install it if it wasn't necessary. It's REAL hard taking your channel serious after this.

[@T.A.G]

It's also an engine made for 100 uses. Do some research. These things get valve float long before anything drastic happens, also any modification tk increase power will decrease engine life.

[@basileok2222]

1. Put the camera on the tripod to film, because you did a shitty shoot; 2. In order to cancel the governor, loosen the fastening screw of the lever and thus cancel his action; 3. Without proof, I don't think you've improved anything on the engine.

[@T.A.G]

First. I tried a new way of shooting. If you don't like it. Cool. Second. If you just disconnect the governed you'll destroy the internals of the engine as the governed internals are still in there and will let go at higher rpm sending ball bearings into the precious crank area, as well chunks of plastic and steel. Third. If you don't like it or trust it then don't do it. Hence the disclaimer. Thanks for watching

[@wilsonperalta9493]

Next time use a camera tripod.

[@T.A.G]

Some was on a tripod. I was also experimenting with different camera angles and filming styles. If you're not a fan you can film it for your channel?

[@carstenpfundt]

I wouldn't recommend a GoPro for this. I can't see what you're doing In detail 😢

[@T.A.G]

this was filmed before I had proper camera gear my dude

[@benitojocson9221]

Yes i feel dizzy

[@Cesar-h9t8s]

What was the rush? You didn’t even go to see anything to learn about

[@obviouslytwo4u]

Removing the governor will not increase horsepower it will only increase the RPM range.......

[@bruceglisson1720]

I don’t think that’s a good idea

[@MrDavcan]

Governors are put in place for a reason guys 🙄

[@T.A.G]

Yep. Because the engine was designed as a service engine to only rev to around 3000. However you can unlock a bunch of power like many people do when using the engine for another purpose. The engine life will suffer but the performance gains far outweigh the difference. Also most service machines only need the 3000rpm for fuel economy when using whichever tool it is. Karts and buggies etc don't need that

[@Lukedormer]

Yeah for your lawn mower I have a fleet of 50 karts and I take out all govners. And there fine

[@dennisfedinato3549]

Sir give me mortor in honda

[@frankysnephew]

Just use a fckng tripod next time...

[@T.A.G]

Lol

[@joecruz196]

Slow down

[@southwestservicetechinc.8041]

You did a very bad job to do this you need to reinforced the valves other way you will burn the engine

[@Cal3b587]

😂 your comment makes no sense theirs no such thing as "reinforcing the valves" or "burn the engine" you don't know what your talking about

[@T.A.G]

Incorrect my friend

[@eastview141]

AA qq

[@richarddaniels9696]

Please stop making these kind of videos. There is allot of kids that would take your word for and the suffer consequences.

[@T.A.G]

what, experience valve float? These little engines get valve float and lose power before anything catastrophic fails. do some research :)

[@Cal3b587]

​@@T.A.Gits funny seeing people comment thinking they know what their talking about when they dont lol

[@FastFlowFrosty]

Does it work on a crf125f?