Predator 212 / GX200 Go Kart Governor Removal

How to remove the governor on a predator 212 engine. This is probably not the way most people do it but it works for me. Thanks for watching and don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe.
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[@AndrewStokes1966]

Hey, awesome. I followed your step by step, straight to the point, videos and fixed my kart. Removed the governor and set it up the way you said. Goes GREAT! And it also fixed my problem of my engine idling so high it kept engaging the centrifugal clutch and had to ride the break to slow it up. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. ♥️❤♥️

[@israelkelvin6068]

instaBlaster...

[@nathanthyne5293]

Extremely helpful. You know what you’re doin! Quick and detailed!

[@PunkCoverMoose]

Glad I watched until the end because I was going to just bolt the oil sensor hole like you did but tapping it would be better. Thanks for the guide!

[@bobdude2360]

thanks for the info it really helps. I'm in the middle of redoing a manco black fox and this will be the first time I'm attempting any mods on a engine and I don't want to mess it up I just want to have a fun and fast kart to enjoy. Well thanks for the info and like your videos keep up the good work. Peace.

[@CeCe-cx3gq]

When your watching a video on how to do something but then the instructor records everything, except the purpose of the video lmao.... "okay next were going to (video cut) im going to show you on another engine because my camera didn't record" 😂 ????

[@driverjamescopeland]

1:43 "There's six bolts. As you can see, there all 10mm". $^*_%$="! Now I gotta go back to Harbor Freight to buy 2 more 10mm sockets. Why two?... because I know one will disappear on the way home.

[@chrisbesaw8042]

True lol

[@carlton997]

So right. There is a second dimension that all the 10mm sockets go to

[@elijahmccartney2545]

There is a tooth fairy but for 10mm sockets

[@Mystikwizrd666]

You gotta tight em up to spec tho

[@ReeshaRacing]

It’s always the 10 mil 😂

[@muddymotos5003]

Thanks so much, I am 13 and just got my first one and I will be following a lot more of your tutorials.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Have fun!

[@Tyler_heins2524]

What tools, and bolts you needed to plug the holes? Would love to know buying 2 predator motors and I'm going to want to take the governors out.

[@jedcoons9577]

Thanks to you I successfully removed the governor on my 224. Appreciate it. I haven't started it yet but I think I'm good. Lol🤞

[@clee33able]

So I have 2 212s hemis and 2 301cc my question is performance wise just adding the exhaust air cleaner kit on 301cc vs adding that to the 212cc.. whats the hp of both and is the 301cc worth the extra $120

[@xs-1b415]

What size tap is needed for the oil sensor hole? It looked much bigger than a 1/4-20.

[@paspader]

I have an old predator 212 hemi engine. I removed the governor and am having difficulty getting everything back together. Especially, since I got a throttle plate. Don't suppose you could do a video highlighting the steps on do's and don'ts to make sure it'll run?

[@dham5829]

Just a quick addition you could carefully wiggle the governor arm off by the crank and cut off the elbow below the two crimped wings. Then reinstall just the straight shaft into the case to use the external governor arm for your throttle. By removing the elbow portion you wont have to worry about the arm contacting the crank shaft and its a lot easier than tapping the hole for a screw. I did also remove the plastic gear just for insurance also. Looked fragile since I was inside the case already.

[@calder43]

Once you cut governor rod how do you run throttle cable ect for mini bike if the governor arm is gone on top ?

[@thebumpus89]

Do you have to make any changes to the throttle once governor is removed

[@camgrubbs1791]

Couldn’t you just cut the wire to the oil sensor?

[@tilvalhalla9343]

maybe i didnt hear it but i noticed you didnt mention a flyhweel upgrade after the governor removal. i hear for safety reasons you have to get a billet flywheel because the stock flywheel cant keep up with the speeds of an ungoverned engine and can blow up! Can i just replace the flywheel with a billet or do i HAVE to upgrade the pistons and cam to keep up with new flywheel? money is tight so i dont wanna upgrade the rest if i dont totally have to.

[@paulwelches8826]

What tap do you recommend to use on the oil sensor hole

[@CamberKitesurfing]

Hi RBG, which springs do you bin off and keep on the throttle assy?

[@ramongonzalez2909]

Question! Will piston rings from a Honda gx 200 fit on a predator 212cc? Thanks!

[@nsxproperties560]

What would happen if you just disconnected and removed the govenor arm and left the internals in place? Would that work?

[@bigdog5389]

I love watching your video's man they have taught me a lot. I spent around 2 hours to get that little ring off the governor to get the plastic gear out. I have a DB30 I'm putting a 212cc predator on with a max torque ss 15 teeth clutch with a 70 tooth back sprocket with a header I'm in the process of ordering my upgraded air filter. What is my ratio gonna be I'm kinda new to this. 70 tooth back sprocket with 15 tooth clutch. Is that a 4.6 ratio?

[@chasebabin9068]

What about the shaft inside the motor that you broke the governor gear off? Does that not have potential to come out over time? Do you not to go into the crankshaft side and remove that pin totally?

[@user-lw8jk6nv7l]

I removed the governor but now it's hard to pull. It easily runs without the spark plug and I've tried swapping for a new cam to see if it was a compression release problem, and I've reset the valve lash. What's wrong?

[@tommygepford33907]

I removed the govenor on my sons predator 224 and the internal low oil sensor and when i got done the engine wouldnt start and i was freaking out because it was my first time !! i ended up finding out its because when i pulled the cam the valve tappets came down a little so i pushed them back up not thinking much of it and later found out that can let the connceting rods fall out of place , so i took the valve cover off and sure enough they came off the rockers so i took it apart and put it back together and ahe fired right up hope this helps anyone who makes the same rookie mistake , i found 1 comment in 15 videos that led me to the problem so i figure i will repost same info!!

[@matthewvangundy7968]

So my question is if i was to remove just the spring and the tension bar on top of the engine would it mess up or still activate the govner

[@RabbitDogz]

I've been watching your videos and didn't even realize you live in Sweetwater! Lol I'm in vonore

[@RedBeardsGarage]

that's awesome man. come down and check me out sometime. I'm up in vonore all the time.

[@josephatkins6924]

I also live in Sweetwater! I’ll be doing this same thing to my engine tomorrow.

[@ChristopherSanso1]

I removed the governor and oil sensor on a brand new predator 6.5 predator engine that has never been started before and it won't start. I have the switch turned on the run position I have the gas turned on and the Choke on the start position fresh gas and oil is filled. The only thing I can think of is when I was removing the governor the cam shaft fell out I matched up the two small dots I didn't know if it couldve thrown off my values. Any suggestions thanks I don't have it hooked up to a kill switch yet also and oil sensor is removed

[@shepherdricks55]

What will be better if i buy the stage one modification kit or do this

[@kylel3150]

My mini bike motor mount angles motor forward about 10 degrees or so. Should I add oil to engine while it is level then see if the oil sensor trips.

[@ryan.b1861]

my nigga you should change your name

[@drj2798]

I have the predator 301, just removed the governor, do I need a upgraded flywheel and/or 50lbs springs?

[@seeger876]

What size bolt did you use to plug the oil sensor hole

[@Ghost88890REAL]

Just bring the washers to your local Home depot.

[@djdjdjdjdjdjde7euryhdxh60]

1/4 - 20 and you dont need a tap for it just get a self tapping screw

[@oh_gosh_its_yash]

7/16"-14 tap for oil sensor hole

[@TT4ME]

To plug the hole where the arm was for the governor I just found a bolt that I was able to start without tapping. Got it about half inch in and cut the head off with a dremel because it will never need to be removed.

[@jamesferron5388]

Considering the time, and chance to just generally ruin something internally, [lose a washer, cause an oil leak, get 'junk' into the crankcase] what are the advantages of actually removing the sensor rather than just unhooking it electronically from the outside? With the same thought in my, why go inside the engine to actually remove the governor internal when it can be bypassed externally? Looking forward to your reply.

[@bakedpotato1744]

Hey it’s a year late but oh well. If you just bypass the governor without removing the plastic gear internally, the gear has a good chance to let go of the metal weights and fling them where you don’t want them. No good.

[@christianascencio336]

@@bakedpotato1744 and the oil sensor?

[@vangyimleejyaaj4707]

Well if governor remove should I put a new connecting rod and new valve spring or can I still use the stock one and will these affect anything or will it break

[@MidwestMotoRider]

Nice short version it will be good help to anyone wanting to do this!

[@isaacgonzalez3672]

Will it run if I gust un wire the oil sensor or does it have to be removed go-kart will not drift shuts off every time

[@usmcmma]

Should I do new valve springs after the governor removal or can I just run it with the stock valve springs? What would be the advantages to stiffer valve springs and which would you recommend? Thanks for the post!

[@usmcmma]

Never mind my question you answered it in another comment. 18lb Valve springs it is. Just not sure about how to gap them.

[@bigredjeepyj3436]

Hey Red, if I remove the governor what controls it from over-revving into the stratosphere? Is it possible to stop the rpm's at 5000 or so so I don't have to mod internals? Love the videos, keep up the awesome work.

[@LNRRidez]

I believe thats why they say to bump up to 18 lb valve springs once you remove the governor.

[@MF-le7fp]

This is probably a stupid question...what is the purpose of having a redundant oil fill cap (opposite the dipstick cap), on this engine? Or am I incorrect in thinking both caps access the exact same sump area in the crank case, and use the same fluid (engine oil)?

[@tizbb1962]

love your videos, Thanks

[@johnmn42]

Quick question. So I want to keep the throttle linkage stock... Could I cut that little arm that would engage the governor, and keep it so I could still use the external governor arm for the throttle?

[@bobdude2360]

Hey thanks for the reply. So is taking out the oil sensor necessary or can I leave it in. Also once the governor is out do I have to do a direct throttle mod like your one in your video.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Yeah you will have to do the throttle mod like i did. You don't have to remove the oil sensor but i recommend that you do because it will cause the engine to shut off if riding off road or taking curves hard.

[@trevorhill590]

RB I opened the valve cover and realized that my push rods were not engaged after putting it back toward. That's why it wouldn't start. I don't know how to reset them!!! I'm new to the DIY and literally everything I learn is from you. Please help

[@Scootertuner1000]

I don't even try to remove the C clamp, I just cut the spoke if the cog with small pair of wire cutters. All that's left is the hub, it won't spin any more so it's not a problem. For the hole in the crankcase, just use a self tapping bolt with red locktite

[@flip_flop_farmer]

i did this now i have no compression and it wont start i think it has to do with the 2 round valve things that go up and down do they have to b in a certain position and i lined the dot up with the other dot

[@kraziek316]

Wouldn't it be okay to leave them sealed as they are and just cut along the sides ? That way you wouldn't have to seal anything.

[@stab2killnecks]

Do you have to make an oil flinging arm to attach to the crank ? Like the vertical to horizontal briggs conversion?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

No these engines have it on the piston rod

[@cwyatt06]

For the Oil sensor hole can you just cut the wire loose on the inside, pull the wire out, seal the hole where the wire was with silicone, and just use that bolt to seal?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Yeah that will work. Just let the silicone dry all the way before adding oil

[@iamyzdemon5717]

Is this worth it for a yerfdog? With the Honda gx190??? Mine has power but it’s not fast. Will this make it faster? And is it a big difference or no?

[@sargothi]

I'm a little confused. RBG always has the motor off and seems really involved. I see other videos where they just put their minibike on the side and just pick the governor out with needlenose pliars.

[@lstangel641]

I removed the governor, the oil sensor with the yellow wire and the box were the yellow wire goes to. I have no spark now. Any idea? It's a good brand new predator 212. I did everything the video said.

[@4687878]

If you remove the governor, along with changing jets and air filter,.will you only need to change to the 18 lb valve springs to keep from blowing up the engine ?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

It keeps it from bending a valve or pushrod

[@jaytee3565]

Can you just leave the arm in after removing the governor or shim the arm so you don't have to plug it after? 🤔

[@georgeduran8938]

Hey I was wondering I just purchased a makuni carb do I have to remove the gonernor for it to work properly I also just added a torque converter

[@RedBeardsGarage]

No it will make more power at the governed limit but is much better with the governor out

[@FUNNYVlDS]

What should I purchase after doing this to prevent a hole in the engine

[@nicholasr1977]

Redbeard!! What do we do for the throttle linkage and all that since that governor paddle isn't there any longer ? Wish there was more on that. Would love to see a separate short video on it

[@holypokey47]

Exactly. There is no linkage to the carburetor without the governor. I was just about to remove mine when I realized that.

[@democratsaretheDEVIL]

OK I'm gonna show you how to remove the governor, OK we're back governors out. Skipped the part the video is for.

[@porky379]

He explained exactly what to do in great detail

[@DatHondaBoi223]

@@porky379 what’s the point in making a KZbin VIDEO if he’s just going to explain how he did it, not show it? It makes no sense and it’s not any help at all

[@porky379]

@@DatHondaBoi223 bro seriously the point of the video is after watching it you know what to do

[@DatHondaBoi223]

@@porky379 looks like you’re ratiod

[@forrestholland3301]

Lmfao same reason I came

[@torchtube5621]

Bro well done . Thank you

[@Yourmomshouse69in]

Could you use some sort of cementing paste to plug the wholes? Or the gb weld paste?

[@JakeSeiner]

I dont think I would do that buddy.

[@ajgaskin6322]

Jake Seiner I mean you could do that tho, just would have to be carful

[@tristan6509]

is there any way to do this without a dremel/angle grinder?

[@user-sv9lk7be3f]

What would be the effect or change of removing the flywheel?

[@RunePlate]

If you remove the governer on the 212, what other mods do you need to have to support it? besides jets/exhaust/intake... should i do billet flywheel/rod and valve springs too?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Its good to bullet proof it with the billet parts but a must have is 18lb valve springs

[@jamesrich7349]

When you run the dremel tool inside the engine and tap the hole you put metal filings inside the engine that could destroy it.

[@dumpstergaming310]

This is true... but anyone smart enough to know that there's harmful metal shavings in the engine, knows that you should probably remove them before you seal it up and run it...

[@bigdog5389]

when tapping them holes put a rag right under the hole your tapping out to catch all the shavings then run a nut in it then check the whole engine before closing it up.

[@toreywilson5982]

Would it hurt to just use a hammer an tap that arm into the motor instead of cutting? I already done it an don't know much so hopefully it won't hurt anything

[@larryparks7930]

He cut the arm on the outside of the motor and slid it through if I understood him correctly. So no shavings in the motor.

[@scrapwire1]

@@toreywilson5982 I just removed mine by turning the crank into the proper position and doing a little wiggling, then just a light tap and it fell in.

[@deathstar562]

if i take off/disable the govenor and put a jet .038 in stock carb with stage 3 exhuast pipe and upgrade air adapter will i need stonger springs then stock and rlv/billet flywheel?

[@deathstar562]

ps. its a non hemi 212 predator with a torque converter

[@Whatsthegeek]

why don't you jt bypass the wiring from the oil sensor ? It would be much cleaner and you could connect a light io it to tell you when there's a probleme with oil.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+What's the geek I would just rather remove it all

[@veikkoh-a3316]

The plastic governor gear will explode at high rpm’s

[@robspear03]

@@veikkoh-a3316 Completely irrelevant to the question asked.

[@democratsaretheDEVIL]

Thought the same its the best block off for that hole.

[@official.trillwill2568]

So wait we have to remove all those cables or just cut the oil sensor cable pleas help ?

[@thedragon1994]

What rpms can you hit without the Govenor?

[@joelmccall5807]

If I just put a spring that holds the arm back, does it keep the governor from kicking in?

[@santiagolorenzo1469]

What is the top speed with and without the governor ??

[@jordynbartley2798]

I recently removed the governor && didn’t add 18 pound valve springs, so when i run the engine now, i choke it to start and the when i completely unchoke it, then cuts off. would not have 18 pound valves springs be the problem ?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

The springs shouldn't cause a problem. Sounds like you aren't getting fuel

[@HOGSIDESJTV14BOSSHOGRECORDS]

ur a pro bro.thanks

[@mikeramirez2707]

I was woundering if yall moded a motvox bike. I couldnt aford a coleman and dont see many vids of people working on them let alone what kind of upgrades i can do. Lmk thanks✊

[@gwallabaibee]

I have a predator 212 engine that the pull cord keeps locking up i tried taking the spark plug out and pulling it but it just doesnt budge i have taken the governer off but it was running really good then i shut it off and this happens can you tell me what you think is the problem

[@lomi4267]

Say do you know the feeler gauge size for a predator 212 governor removal

[@timmacon6549]

Why do you not tap the low oil sensor like you do the governor arm hole?

[@rockcar13]

What type of oil should I run in mine after doing a governor removal

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Just standard 10w-30 is fine. I use synthetic just for its cleansing property's

[@coyne250]

Would you be able to answer this for me red beard. I have a robin EX13 4.5hp I was wondering if they are possibly the same as the predator 212. I’d like to see if I could just up my robin.

[@camspruill6149]

Great video. For the oil sensor, can I just cut yellow wire the wire on the outside, then cut the black wire on the inside and unbolt and remove the sensor? This way the hole doesn't need to be tapped and bolted and I can just leave the bolt in there?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

You can just cut the yellow wire and be good

[@dangerdavepwc]

@@RedBeardsGarage is there a better way to plug the governor arm hole, or is your method still the preferred way?

[@Toppdawghaulscars]

I actually had the c clip push through the back of the plastic. So I grabbed some needle nose players and gently pulled on the plastic gears to break it loose.

[@swjse8747]

Will some jb weld do fine if I use it to plug the wholes ?

[@da_morgan364]

The top one maybe but the lower on no

[@yajmuhs7853]

Lol don't forget to plug that governor ARM hole. So you don't spit oil everywhere all around town like I have for the past month lol. Had to rewatch to figure out what I missed.

[@radiogentic_nuclide]

Why did you take the oil sensor off?

[@byronvilla-perez6509]

What size bolts 🔩 did you use to plug the oil sensor and governor hole ???

[@oh_gosh_its_yash]

7/16"-14 = oil sensor 1/4"-20 = governor arm & gear

[@josephlong1914]

So you just run a bolt through the throttle arm?

[@mzice9986]

i ran about 6700 rpms and blew the enging up i flew off my minibike at 80 mph. my hair caught on fire . boss hogg that was fun.

[@hunterpoucher3938]

WHATS YOURSOC I have done it but i was prepared full race suit and helmet

[@hunterheimes3002]

You lier

[@zacharylewis4860]

@Red Beards Garage, will disconnecting the wire to the oil sensor do the same thing?

[@blaminations9805]

Yes, that's what I did and it saved me from having to fill in the hole

[@justinprice6438]

I apologize if you’ve answered this 1000’s of times already - what is your ideal sprocket set up for acceleration with a predator 6.5? I am restoring a kart for my two sons as a Christmas gift, want them to be able to take off quick.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Would need more information. Clutch or cvt, tire size and engine size

[@justinprice6438]

Red Beard's Garage Will be using a clutch most likely to keep the cost down - it’s a live axle with 15” tires and a predator 212cc non hemi.

[@jacobneymeiyer9091]

I was tapping the top where the gov hole goes and it cracked the top of the hole. What do I do? Is it done? Can it be fixed?

[@mickbillingsleymusic]

Do you have a video that shows how to hook up the throttle after you remove the governor?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Michael Billingsley no but I will post one soon

[@dr.stevestein1939]

Do you need to put in a billet flywheel with the governor removed?

[@JodBronson]

If your Engine gets really hot or when you use it for hours, your answer would be YES !!!

[@1digitalwatcher697]

6:12 Do I need a tap set or can I just hand screw a 1/4 inch x 20 bolt in by hand and use red loctite ?

[@mioszurbanowicz5788]

you need to tap

[@its_robbietime1333]

How do you keep the throttle linkage after removing it

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I will make a video soon about this

[@retrotech383]

is this the same on the GX270 honda engine?

[@TheUthe]

I ran my throttle wire straght to the governor arm and it seems to be working fine. It seems too easy to do that rather than pulling the case apart. Why is it better to completely remove it?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

overtime it can bust the gear inside the engine and cause some good damage

[@TheUthe]

@@RedBeardsGarage i knew it was too easy to bypass that gear. After asking you about it I looked threw the comments on a couple of videos about bypassing it rather than pulling it and that's what i read. I'm going to pull it when I take it out to paint the frame.

[@TheUthe]

@@RedBeardsGarage I know you probably spend a ton of time answering questions that to you probably seem like common seance but I've got one for you that I can't find an answer for anywhere on KZbin. I have a manco thunderbird I've been playing around with. I put a 212 on it and the original gearing is insanely tuorquy. I'm pretty shure someone good at wheelies would have a blast on it. Id like to speed it up a bit to keep up with the guys i ride with while where on road and flats. The rear sprocket is a 72 tooth and the clutch is a 10 tooth. I'd rather change the clutch out than the rear sprocket being that the clutch will probably end up needing to be changed before too long anyways. And I can swap the original pretty easy to take my kids for rides. I found a gearing calculator online and punched in my specs and a 12 tooth in the front don't make much difference with that big sprocket on the back. But a 14 tooth will get me up to about 45. I need to get a 1" sleeve for the shaft to do that and I'm pretty shure they don't make a 3/4 with a 14 tooth for a reason. I just can't figure out why. Will it stress the engine too much?

[@Trouble_Gav]

Will there be any cons taking the governor off?

[@discipleofchrist5217]

Iv got an old school mini baja that im completly redoing. However at the moment i cant afford any motor upgrades so my question is if i remove the governer how long could i ride non stop safely without blowing the motor before i get the funds to completly build the motor?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Extreme Tint & Decals you can ride it for a long time. Just don't hold it wide open for a long time

[@discipleofchrist5217]

Red Beard's Garage awesome. I wanna build this engine to go as fast as it possibly can. Piston rod crank cam valves & springs port & polish head carb intake mani custom header and so on. I know where and how to purchase everything however im not sure what exactly to buy since this is my first build and i dont wanna buy the wrong parts and blow it up lol. So any help would be awesome

[@discipleofchrist5217]

Red Beard's Garage also if you use a nail you can just tap the pin out and the governer gear and all comes right out then you can tap the pin back in. Super easy i just done it

[@drj2798]

If I remove the governor , do I have to install 18lb valve springs? Will it hurt anything to leave it stock?

[@yajmuhs7853]

I've been told I need to replace my flywheel and springs eventually.

[@ManofSexySteel]

What do I do with the wires after I remove the oil sensor?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Manofsexysteel you leave the one going to the switch grounded and then remove the box and wires to the box

[@habdman]

@@RedBeardsGarage short circuit. RIP cable then

[@joshwallace2352]

Excellent video!

[@rncboy2]

Did you just cut the wire in front of the box or how did you do that on the oil sensor disconnecting it just bought a himi 212 glad it was a himi

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Kylee Bates you can just unplug the oil sensor if you like.

[@rncboy2]

if I unplug it from it it will still run. Also i just ordered a exhaust and I don't wanna spend the money on a mikuni and I also don't wanna spend 45 bucks for the adapter plate and Air filter and main jet was wondering a cheaper carb to bolt up and will run good with Lil tuning...

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Kylee Bates well if you take the lid off your air box it's basically like you are running the air filter kit. Just buy the keys from go power sports for less than 10 and you'll be good to go

[@rncboy2]

Send me a link please if you don't mind buddy and thank you for the info everything else I be gotten figured out lol