How to repair a Pride Mobility Go Go Transaxle Motor and Brake - the Inner workings explained

[@MOsKitchenGardenWMid]

A very wonderful tutorial video. many thanks for sharing.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching.

[@davidwood5849]

Ian I just completed watching your video and just want to thank you for the education. I have an Electric Mobility Rascal 245 scooter that is 25 to 30 years old. It was last used by a relative about 15 years ago. But when she passed, I put the scooter in my basement. The basement is dry and not exposed to swings in temperature. I now have another family member in need of the scooter but it will not take a charge. I’ve just ordered replacement batteries and hope that will be the fix to get it running. Your video has helped me understand how the scooter works. I’m not very mechanical and unable to tear down the scooter transaxle (lack of tools and experience), but your video has given me more knowledge to recognize possible problems and if the scooter is worth repair. I plan to watch the video again if the scooter runs after the new batteries are installed. Thanks again.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi David thank you for your kind words, it's much appreciated. If you have any problems with the scooter, feel free to emails us and I can guide you into what to look for.

[@davidwood5849]

Hello Ian I just got new batteries for the 30 year old Rascal 245 scooter I have had in storage for 10 years. It was working 10 years ago but the new batteries are not working. The horn works, but nothing else. Any ideas? I've examined all the wiring that I can see but do not see any damaged wires.

[@SecretSanta]

Great video - Thanks for sharing, you made it as straightforward as you could. You're a very knowledgeable guy

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thank you I appreciate your kind words.

[@richardzapata4556]

my name is Richardthis video that I just got through watchingI learned a lot fromnow I'm going to take my motor now I know how to check my motor if itit was very helpfulI learned a lot right therethank you very much

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thanks Richard, Glad you found it informative.

[@mikeg7599]

Good video! This shows everything in detail. looking forward to more videos.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Awesome, thank you!

[@scotto6120]

Nice breakdown of the parts with explanations of each. Good job!

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Much appreciated!

[@gcrauwels941]

Thank you for this. I'm thinking of building a 4 wheel all terrain mobility chair outb of the frame of a riding mower hull and this information is helpful.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Let me know how it turns out.

[@Vincent-r6d3r]

Thank you for the informative video, very good job. Do you know what size the needle bearings are in the mount at 12:09? I need to fix this part and cannot find any information on it.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

No I do not, I think Clive has done that before he might have the info you need.

[@RednecksGoneWild]

@33:30 looks like a wave washer i found on amazon , but i dont know the dementions.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

The originals where very thin and degraded easily when over worked.

[@RednecksGoneWild]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts is it possible to buy replacements?

[@RednecksGoneWild]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts here is another example of wavy washer use,kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5CxnYtoZsmeqas

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Unfortunately, Pride don't sell any individual internals for their transaxles.

[@bryanbailey1476]

Hy Ian just watched this Amazing Video and Subscribed Immediately, I have an Pride Apex Rapid I have just installed new 22 anp hour batteries, and the scooter is a bit slow and has been for a while and making a noise around motor area, I thought this was tyre noise as they are well worn, these new batteries are the 3rd set it's had since new, I have always got very good distances in the past and I weigh over 17 stone - 246 pounds, I took the 3rd trip out getting longer each time to condition the batteries, I did just over an hour and had 3 green lights out, this had never happened before, with the other batteries I've had, even when they was over a year old, as the scooter is a breakdown boot scooter I kept the top off the lift out battery box to volt test them through the charging processes, and everything was as it should be when I got back from my 3rd trip I took the motor and wheels assembly off turned it over, and the transaxle and motor where very very hot the brake wasn't as hot, did not know if this was normal as I had never checked it before, so I got on KZbin, and found you Ian and thank the stars the video was about transaxles motors and brakes, after Watching this I went out to check mine it had all cooled down, and I started checking did all the volt meter testing you did and everything was fine, the bearing on left side of Transaxle had lots of play no signs of grease the long axle on on right had more in and out play than you showed in your video, I could see the small difference in the transaxle motor to my own, you mentioned in your Excellent well informed video that parts are hard to find, so I thought I'll just have a look on the net, I found a site that sells Pride mobility parts, I don't want to name the site as KZbin may remove my comment, a fully complete transaxle motor and brake for an Apex Rapid is £245 without vat that I am exempt from, also saw a brake for go go elite traveler for £82 for same scooter motor&brake £170 all these prices do not include vat, the cheapest new Apex Rapid I have found so far is over £800 without vat, my scooter is very old but looks good, I also checked everything else on the scooter and no play in anything, since I've had it all it's needed is batteries and ignition barrel that cost £12, at the moment it needs new wheels-tyes if I had known I had this axle problem I might not of purchased new batteries that cost £80, and maybe opted for a new Apex Rapid one, what's your advice Ian please, new Transaxle motor & brake and tyres or brand new Pride Apex Rapid, I will name the parts site in my next comment many many thanks for bringing this video to us kind regards Bryan from Doncaster Yorkshire England

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Bryan glad you found the video helpful and thank you for the kind words and subscribing to our channel. With your problem it does sound like transaxle. I'm pretty sure the LX shares the same transaxle as the Apex Rapid and I have done my fair share of replacing them in the past. (even under warranty). As far as I'm aware I think Pride have changed manufacturer of the transaxle from the original ones they put in these units and only time will tell if they hold up. I always tell my customers if they need a new motor transaxle brake assembly due to Pride only selling the transaxle with the motor and brake together that you might as well buy another scooter and trade it in if possible. My only problem with third party online parts suppliers, are they selling off prides first generation transaxles? Another concern I have with online third-party parts suppliers is the warranty on the parts. Here in the US monsterscooterparts.com have a limited 30 day warranty and I do not see anything on the UK website regarding warranty (I Might be wrong) and you have to install it yourself. Buying new? My choice for a transportable scooter would be: If you can handle the weight then the Zero Turn 8 or Revo 2.0 but that thing is way too big for a boot, you'll need a lift or SUV. Best of luck buddy. 👍

[@Wagthetail]

Very good and thorough video. Thank you

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

[@fletcher3913]

Thank you for this information. It was very helpful.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Glad it was helpful. Ian

[@billclark3654]

Hi when you described the internal of the motor the rotor you showed us is a brush driven commutator, the motors on your bench from the gogo pride are brushless motors are they not ???

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Bll yes you are Correct it was the motor commutator from a prde victory motor that I used as an example of over time how they can ware down and be less efficient. As far as I'm aware no go-go's do not use brushless motors. I have taken one apart to inspect it and it had brushes and a commutator.

[@andykerr3803]

Thank you! I have the Pride Revo Sport abd the tri Go Go, similar but different, yup. Nice to know this 😊

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Glad it was of some use. Thanks for watching.

[@wm.bradgilbert3852]

Very informative video. Have you ever worked on an e-Wheels EW 11 drive train? Is Permatex a solution for bad gaskets in the gearbox?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I've worked on a couple of E-Wheels scooters EW36 and a big four wheel. The three wheel is in my store (dead) due to a broken frame welds to the rear axle and that had a leaky axle. The four-wheel had an electrical problem. We used to be dealers of E-Wheels but could never get in contact with them or parts or orders, so we had to fire them. We can't get customer service from them then we can't offer customer service for our customers. As for gaskets I'm pretty sure they wouldn't sell just the gasket but sell the complete transaxle. If I had to rate the company, it would be... 1 out of 10 for products 1 out of 10 product support -10 out 10 for customer service.

[@stadb5]

Do you have a video for the Pride Revo 2.0 that shows how to replace the front shroud?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey bud, no I don't and it's a pain to do even more so with a four wheeler. Here's a quick brake-down. Remove seat and batteries then remove the rubber floor mat (be careful not to damage the rubber grommets when pulling the rubber mat up) then there are 10 screws on top and two underneath (four wheel) that will loosen the shroud up then unclip the front to rear harness (large connector neat the from steering stem) and remove the tiller by unloosening the tiller adjustment knob all the way. This will make it able to remove the tiller with stripping the whole thig apart. Next remove the tiller lock knob and then the shroud should be able to be lifted straight up. The only difference between the three and four wheel is the 12 screws on the three wheel are all on top none underneath. Hope this helps 👍

[@brunningwolf]

I like this guy he is a pro I learn from

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thank you I appreciate that very much.

[@brunningwolf]

Will a gogo elete traveler motor brake fit gogo sport

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

No, the sport/traveller plus motor is bigger.

[@gianpaologazzola1234]

Nice video, there are compatible wheels for the Pride Victory scooter on the market, because the original ones are very expensive. Thanks Peolo from Italy

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Yes, the replacements can be expensive.

[@yeshua418Q]

Thanks buddy my trans axel is snapped as can here this great grinding even when in free wheel mode caufht in cogs as i understand this .undrr warranty so all we be ok .

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi bud defiantly take the scooter to a dealer to get them to handle the warranty issue for you. Just a heads up for you this is from Prides warranty T&C NOTE: If there is an increase in the operational noise level in the transaxle, the warranty does not apply. An increase in operational noise level usually occurs due to abusive and excessive strain on the scooter www.pridemobility.com/resources-and-support/pride-mobility-warranty-information.asp Let me know what they say and if the cover it. Good luck

[@tblakey9332]

Great video, I have a pride gogo sport one of the wheels doesn't turn at all. However it is the opposite side of what was displayed in video. I changed the brake and Im ready to throw in the towel. Is it worth it for me to try to figure out why that side isnt moving then fix it?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thanks for the comment, rare to see a sport transaxle fail. Thats a tough one, if you've taken the brake off and its still locked up then its something either in the transaxle that's locked up or the motor. If its transaxle then it could be either the end bearings (no fixing that) or something jamming or jammed in the drive gears. If cost is an issue then repair might be your only option, as a new replacement is around $500 and used is always sketchy as you can't tell if it's been abused or not. Good luck Ian

[@ronalddaub9740]

Maybe somebody left the key out of the axle on that side

[@ronalddaub9740]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts the one I had a part I thought they were built pretty good for the nasty grease that had in it

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Good observations, I originally had that thought, but with them saying one-wheel doesn't turn at all it would still turn if there were no key on the shaft that's why I went for a locked-up transaxle.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I think they put all that grease in there to stop us from messing with it LOL

[@garryspencer9316]

Really informative,what size washer thickness did you use?,mine Grids when turning left?,good possibility it's the washer,thank you again.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

To be honest it depends how badly warn the internals are to determine how think of a washer you need. The original washer is very thin and It's a case of trying something reassemble the unit and trying it to see if it binds up or runs freely without slipping. Alot of trial, mess and error.

[@garryspencer9316]

Many thank Ian,keep up the great work you do.

[@TERRYEDWARDS-bn9hr]

Hi Do you have any idea on what size shims might be needed in the gearbox of a pride elite traveller please. Even the inside and outside diameter would be a help, we can then trial and error on the thickness as do appreciate that vaires in each machine. Many thanks in advance

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Terry, the one thing I don't have is calipers to measure the inside and outside diameter. The inside diameter has to be large enough to fit the drive shaft and the outside doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't foul up on anything.

[@TERRYEDWARDS-bn9hr]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Thank you We have a inside diameter of 17mm but the only shims we can find are only 24od which we didnt think would be enough. We have ordered them and are just hoping the od is big enough. Fingers crossed it fixes the problem , Thank you for the video and your reply, most helful

[@DezCruts]

Can I replace the key weight for the motor-transaxle connection? Is there a place to get a new one to swap it out?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I'm Sorry, I'm not sure I understand the question.

[@extractorfan2143]

It's a machine shaft key like a woodruff key, if you have the measurements they're not expensive

[@timwegman5776]

I have a question, my father's pride Victory I believe does not travel as far as it used to so we buy ne batteries aver few months I assume it's to motor so I have another full rear end only I can't get his to unplug the plug actually broke but is still lodged in the female side and I can't remove it. So question should I pry it off or I was trying to follow the wire harness but I can't figure out how to remove the plastic fairing on the foot rest. Anyway thanks for any information you give

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Tim, there is a lot of things going on with your scooter by the sound of things. If the scooter is a Victory 9 or 10 latest model (Pride made 14 variants of Victory) with the quick release feather touch release handle and it won't come apart then the two male/female pugs might be melted together due to high resistance or a loose negative battery terminal. I've delt with this in the past and found that if you remove the rear shroud if you can, you might be able to get to the connector to try and pry them apart. It's more than likely you will need to replace those connectors as they will break. If you have any doubt, take it to your local scooter repair shop if you have one near you.

[@nonarrativeboxingnunn9856]

Mine Has Oil And Not Grease And Is Leaking From The Zerk. What Oil Should I Use To Refill It? Thank You In Advance.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

All Pride Drive and Golden scooters use grease not oil. Not sure what scooter you have that uses oil?

[@jeromedenmark7587]

How could you make both wheels spin ? Weld it?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

This transaxle is what's considered as an open diff arrangement and both wheel do spin in unison when driven in a straight line. On cornering an open diff configuration allows each wheel to spin independently of each other. Welding them together would not be a good idea unless you like replacing tires.

[@jeromedenmark7587]

Tires I can get cheap but both wheels rooster tailing is priceless

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

ok

[@gordondalrymple7644]

I’m hoping to save everything els3 when it’s time for a new motor, but can’t wait 2 months for a repair

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

6-8 weeks is crazy I was going to suggest WSR but I know how much they charge for a call out 👀

[@michaeldominy2084]

Hi, Don’t know if you could help at all. I have a Komfi Rider mobility scooter, it didn’t work when I got it, but have been able to get power, Well, to a point. When I try to move it it barely moves, there is a sound. When you select forward or reverse, but it doesn’t seem as if the motor is moving very much, it does move but barely. The drive brake and motor is only smallish and dosn’t seem to have any brushes.. will say I have now got power to the rear of the scooter, but when turning the rear wheels it seems to me as though they are dragging, and should be easier to turn, do you think this is anything to do with the motor or the. mechanism?🤔

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Michael, I take it you have new batteries in the scooter and it shows full on the battery indicator, the scooter is all together in one piece and you've turned the speed dial up? Does the power indicator go down at all when moving forward? Can you hear a click from the rear when you depress the throttle (brake releasing)? Feel free to send photos, questions and video to [e-mail] Ian

[@jacklee2405]

were can i buy a replacement pin that is on the wire from the motor we have a broken one thank you our scooter is a go go elite traveller lx

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Jack, unfortunately I don't know of anywhere that sells the pins separately. You would have to replace the motor and brake.

[@stevescet]

Good video , just a couple of questions, what type of grease goes in the axle and could you use silicone instant gasket to seal the 2 halves together. 👍

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Steve glad you liked the video. I've heard other people use all-purpose Lithium grease and have good results and increased drive range from it. As for sealing the transaxle, I've never had to do it, but if I had to I would use something like a gasket sealer or instant gasket product.

[@garyhockensmith2471]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts wouldn’t that change the spider gear play by not having the proper thickness and smashing the axle gears closer to the main gear!

[@RednecksGoneWild]

I have 2 oh these that have washer wear , it has destroyed the washers so i have no idea what to buy to replece it . I think its some kind of a spring shim or wave washer i dont know. Both my scooters have the same problem, gear4s grind as i turn . HELP! I need the spring washers for the top housing , both the small 1 for the drive gear & the one between the large gear and the housing have disinterested,.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Pride use a spring washer for the small bearing on the long drive gear from the motor to the main gear but a flat thin wash for the mini gears at the end of the shafts to space them out.

[@RednecksGoneWild]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2PcnXqQqqaspdk

[@billpike8641]

Nice information and video, but one piece of advice invest in a microphone that can increase your volume. 90% of video is almost silent. It is not my computer or speakers or hearing as everything and where else is good volume cheers mate.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thanks Bill

[@garygullikson6349]

I don't have any problem with volume on these videos.

[@sleeper2173]

Hi, would a go go increase speed by putting on larger wheels, is it worth the effort. Regards Sleeper

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Gearing or a controller with a larger speed programmed into it would change speed.

[@garyhockensmith2471]

My go go elite traveler has 2 concerns may be normal or not, 1 when I release the lever to go forward or backward it wants to keep going for a second or two, like if I inch up and barely touch throttle it keeps going, 2 going up light to medium incline the circuit breaker shuts off, or the scooter doesn’t have enough power to make it up a hill. I basically had the same pride scooter from around 2008 and it would climb any hill and would stop instantly and never tripped the circuit breaker . And yes they are new 12v12ah batteries in the gogo. Am I expecting too much or is there something wrong?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Gary, even new batteries can sometimes be bad so I would get them checked out to at least rule them out. Check there is no corrosion or loose battery terminals/connectors. Normally the breaker will trip on low-speed low battery. A good test would be turn up the speed pot and try the incline again and watch the battery voltmeter to see if it's losing battery power like a rudimentary load test. If the breaker still trips and the battery gauge doesn't drop significant it could be a weak circuit breaker. A week worn motor or binding transaxle could also be a factor too. The continued travel could be a few things like not centered or damaged throttle. Wiring issue and wrong controller installed. I've seen in the past where if you install a bigger scooter controller such as a victory 9 or golden controller they are programmed to compensate for the weight difference of a larger scooter, hence to momentary continued travel. A smaller controller for a Go-Go in a Traveller Plus would cause a bucking affect.

[@garyhockensmith2471]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts I am an auto mechanic and the first thing I checked when I got back was load test the batteries, I would agree on the throttle control because when you let off and has something in the way it still wants to push forward until you move the scooter or the obstacle, but the upgrade I think the motor might be bad because when you hit the throttle for first time the batteries are charged it drops to half and then as speed picks up it goes back to full charge! I purchased this used and was the first time I had taken it on vacation and it doesn’t even come close to my old sonic for power even with new batteries! With the same tester you have in other videos they only drop to just under 11 volt under load! Isolated! Thanks for your help, you had fixed my old sonic when I went to Vegas one year and Southwest Airlines. Lost the insert in the pole for the seat! You brought it back to my hotel Wynns

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Sounds like it could be several things going on. If I was diagnosing the scooter I would first put the scooter in freewheel with the power off and see if the scooter is easy or hard to push. If hard to push could be faulty controller, binding brake, damaged transaxle or shorted motor which could cause the batteries to work harder until the momentum is built up hence the drop in battery power. This would also cause the circuit braker to trip if the batteries were at a lower state and at low speed. I would then do a power on brake engaged slow start then while slow driving, release the brake into freewheel to see if the brake is not disengaging. Continued travel could also be the brake not re-engaging after the throttle is released.

[@garyhockensmith2471]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts it freewheels easy, and the brake takes 1-2 seconds after I let of the throttle to engage! Also when you let go of the throttle if you try to hold back the scooter it wants to continually pull until you let it go then it will stop pulling and brakes engage!

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

The only thing I would do is change out the throttle and check the controller model number to make sure it has the correct controller installed. If it continues with a different throttle and the controller is correct it still could be the controller at fault or faulty front to rear harness.

[@ben_durbin]

Where can I get one of those drive gears that look like a drill bit I can’t find one anywhere

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

HI Ben, I don't know of any of the manufactures selling internal working parts separately. You're probably only going to find then on Ebay used if anyone is selling one.

[@ben_durbin]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts what is it called, just a drive gear?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

There is no internal parts diagram with no specific internal part names for these transaxles. The only way I would name it would be go-go transaxle motor transfer output shaft. Please be aware that Pride uses several sizes of transaxles in the scooters, if you do find one make sure it matches your transaxle size.

[@SimonNemeth]

For what reason might a Pride Colt Executive transaxle start to slip and be very noisy in reverse? I will note that it does go forward and it seems to be fine while doing so.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Sounds like transaxle to me.

[@SimonNemeth]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Yes. That's what I'm asking about on a video about transaxles. Why would it only have problems in reverse?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Simon, The short answer would be something has broken inside. The long answer would be, my best guess from experience (see the next video I'm about to put up about drive and golden transaxles) without seeing the scooter, or asking about its age, past and present use I would have to hazard a guess that a part inside the transaxle has failed like the internal transfer arguer drive from the motor to the main drive gear. When the scooter is in reverse if the arguer drive is operating in the opposite direction. If this is broken it will not engage the drive gear or even lock up the drive gear. It could be the motor or brake but again without seeing the scooter to properly diagnose this is just a guess. You best way to find out would be take it to a local dealer who repairs and services scooters to get a definitive answer to your question.

[@SimonNemeth]

@lasvegasscooterslifts I've had it serviced but it obviously doesn't go so far as to actually diagnosing stuff like that because they would just straight up replace it, but he ran it up and down the street, forward obviously, and it went fine and kept at just over 8 mph. I noticed it struggling in reverse and making horrible noises (funnily enough it's not persistent and it hardly happened when I went out on it afterwards) while he was doing the paperwork and I notified him. He then propped it on a box, told me to run it in reverse while he put his ear to it and said "oh, your transaxle is very noisy" and that's as much as I know. I've had it not 2 years, put about 900 miles on the 100 or so miles it already had and I don't know how long the previous owner had it.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Defiantly sound like a broken drive transfer shaft. See the Drive and Golden transaxle video.

[@bigi55080]

Hello from Azores Islands. I have a Citycoco cp3 (3 wheeler) and yesterday it stopped running. Everything works as normal, i can hear the motor running and see it in the tachometer moving but the scooter doesn't move at all. Do you think something in the axle broke or came loose?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Not sure about this brand or make of scooter as it's not something I don't deal with; I tend to strictly stick with medical scooters and powerchairs. I have worked on a few recreational things before such as e-wheels stuff, and it sounds like there is something going on with the transaxle/differential side of things. If you hear the motor turning, then yes for sure some component has broken loose or broken completely. I would start by removing the motor from the transaxle to make sure the drive from the motor to transaxle has any damage to it. Also, this way you can test the motor to make sure it's still transmitting power to the transaxle. If there are no visual components loose or broken there and you see the output spinning, then it's a strip down of the trans/diff to see what's come loose or broken. From what I see from their installation video it looks like their diff may be filled with some kind of oil so a messy job may be ahead of you. Good luck, Ian

[@henryalbertharris]

Thanks. Great Job.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thanks for watching!

[@PeterFillmore-p3s]

Great video. My Pride Outback (Australian model) stopped working after a loud screeching noise emanated from one or both of the motors/brakes? Now all i get is the 5 beeps when i turn the key. What do you suggest may be the problem? Replace breaks and /or both motors? Scooter is 3 years old and has done only 700kms. I expected the scooter motors to last longer than that before it would have these sort of issues. It has been well looked after and not thrashed. Batteries were recharged after every ride. How long do the batteries usually last if recharged correctly? My local scooter serviceman suggests that i replace both motors and breaks or buy a new replacement scooter. Any advice you can offer is greatly appreciated. Cheers Pete

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Pete and thanks for watching. The outback or wrangler here in the US battery life depend on several factors (see my batteries video for some good advice) but typically between 3 and 5 years but it depends on many different factors. 5 beep or flash error code usually means break error and with you saying you heard a screeching sound and what your tech said I'm almost 100% positive that's your problem. If you could find which wires go to each break, normally you would do an Ohm reading with the break in the drive or locked position to see if you have a reading of usually 59 - 70ohm range, if it's an open circuit then that break is at fault. Replacing the break/s and motor/s can be a costly repair if the parts are available.

[@PeterFillmore-p3s]

Thanks for the quick reply. Hopefully, that will help me make the right desicion. Cheers Pete.

[@malcolmmorgan5342]

Hi Ian, Great video and greetings from the UK. Have a Vanos Excel about 15 months old. Little use. Range should be about 8 miles but we only get 2ish. Replaced batteries with new (tested good) but range is still about 3 miles. Manufacturer suggested brake at fault and suggested I removed brake but leave electrically connected. Made no difference at all. Only thing I can think of is the motor and/or transaxle but the manufacturer says doubtful. At a loss to think what the problem is. No leakages... Any ideas? Thanks very much.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Malcom, wow I can't believe the manufacture told you to remove a safety feature and ride it. Did you buy the scooter from new? and do you have any warranty on the scooter? If the batteries load test good, then run the scooter for a mile or so and then put your hand on the motor (just be careful). If the motor is really hot to the touch you have either a bad motor and or transaxle. If its slightly warm, then I would still look at batteries. Check to see if there is any excessive side to side movement (5mm or more) on the wheel shafts to the transaxle, that would mean warn transaxle. Excessive inclines will decrease drive range but not to that extent.

[@malcolmmorgan5342]

@lasvegasscooterslifts Thanks for your reply. Yes the m/f did tell me to run it without the brake. We live in a very flat, quiet area so I didn't see it being too problematic. Fault existed within warranty but shop blamed me for not charging it properly! Went back to shop about 6 times but said nothing wrong with it. Aunt only used it twice a week for about 2 miles total so I was charging once a week. We only discovered fault after a longer trip than usual. (About 4 miles) The shop insisted that I charged it every usage which I disagreed with. Its now 3 months or so out of warranty. I'm a retired aerospace engineer (worked on landing gear systems) so I thought I'd take a look at it myself. Brand new batteries that have been tested for capacity. Charger tested for correct output. Just completed almost 3 miles but red light. Felt motor and transaxle after all mile but both cold. 2 miles slightly warm, 3 miles a little warmer but not hot. No leakage, all clean as new. Just spoken to m/f again and he's lost for answers. Even with brake disconnected the scooter 'drags' after a few yards then releases. Wouldn't have thought this would happen with brake disconnected. I'm scratching my head...

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

One thing it could be is a faulty bearing somewhere in the transaxle or motor itself that is locking up.

[@malcolmmorgan5342]

@lasvegasscooterslifts Sorry for the delay in replying. Although I'm retired I've been busy the last few days. Yes I have come to the same conclusion. However when I did the 3 mile ride last week nothing seemed to be getting warm in the transaxle, only the motor was a little lukewarm shall we say. I've had it running up on blocks also, there is no noise and both wheels are rotating normally. The way I look at it is that it should be doing about 9 miles so we're only getting 33%. Something, electrical or mechanical should be getting hot, but it isn't. I don't know if there's some sort of voltage regulator or a resistor in the feed. I've changed the potentiometer already. It's finding time now to strip it all down. A Christmas project maybe? Many thanks

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I'm not sure if you are going by the battery voltmeter for your reading for distance as I have seen faulty battery gauges give me and people the impression that the millage is limited. I always use a distance app on my phone and run the scooter as far as I can until it dies to get a accrete representation of distance rather than the battery gauge.

[@campbelladventures7841]

Sir; This is to thank you for your clear, thorough and very helpful GoGo gearbox teardown and problem resolution. I am going to need a thrust washer like what you had and installed behind the left bevel gear I cannot find a source of Pride GoGo gearbox component service parts. Would you consider letting me know the dimensions of the thrust washer that you installed in this video the thickness being the most critical dimension. Thanks again for you much appreciated video.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi and thank you. I'm afraid each model of transaxle is slightly different and will wear differently so the size I put in the one I did was just potluck. I find that trying to find the right inner diameter hole is the hardest part and then it's a guessing game to how thick of a washer you need. I used everything from really thin 0.25mm to 1mm and sometimes thicker than that. With this type of fix, it's a matter of put one in and try it, that's why I said in the video I don't recommend this process as there is a high chance of failure and frustration. Good luck my friend. Ian

[@mk8_it]

what part needs to be replaced if the scooter rides fine but then sometime it cant move forward i can hear the motor spin and if i push the scooter with my foot a inch or so the it rides forward again

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Without seeing the make, model and the scooter it's hard to say. If it's a Drive or Golden product it could be a broken drive transfer shaft from the motor to the transaxle but that's a guess. Again, without see the scooter it's hard to tell you a definitive answer. Best thing is to take it to a local scooter repair center if you have one close to you.

[@BobLinton]

is going down hill bad for the Go Go brakes? After going down a few hills our new Go Go makes noise when the brake goes on. its louder the faster you go.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Bob, technically yes and no! If you are on quite a steep downhill gradient releasing the throttle fully to stop is not a good idea. These scooters tend to use the motor to restrict the speed downhill and the brake only contacts when you release the throttle. I would slowly release the throttle and let the motor slow you down then come to a stop. I know life dictates where you go on these scooters but regarding inclines and declines and most manufactures advise incline/decline gradients no greater than 8 deg (which is not a lot) as it is not good for the scooter and can cause damage to the motor brake and transaxle. (Not covered by your warranty). The only way I would diagnose where the noise is coming from is I would remove the brake from the motor to eliminate the brake from the equation. If the noise persists with the brake removed, then its motor and or transaxle/bearings problem. Also check you have nothing trapped between the wheel and transaxle shafts. Hope this helps. Ian

[@BobLinton]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Thank you very much. I subscribed. :)

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thanks for the subscribe much apricated 👍

[@1000000volts]

Hi how can i make it go faster than 4mph .

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

You can't without changing out the motor and trans, controller and bigger batteries and after all that you might as well of bought a scooter that goes just goes faster than do all that.

[@smoopel]

Great to see what I can expect when disassembling our scooter transaxle. I know you're 'just' demonstrating it, but it seems you forgot to put back the big 'ring' when putting back the two halves of the transaxle casing :-) (The part that's in the top right corner for most of the video; I guess you had opened it before)

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Yes, I tried to get everything pre planned to make videoing easier.

[@RobR386]

I have a pride go-chair, it's 5 years old, gets used every day, took it to my local mobility shop because it's developed an annoying "clicking" sound when driving under power, they said the motor and transaxle has worn out, is 5 years a good lifespan for this model?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Rob, manufactures don't give an indication on how long any unit will last but it's all down to wear and tear I guess, five years of heavy use then the chair might start showing some issues. The clicking sound I would get a second opinion. These chairs don't have transaxles but two independent direct drive motor gearbox on each wheel. It could be something simple like a loose wheel nut or the wheel keyway shaft just worn. if it is in fact one of the gearbox's breaking down, you'd probably be better replacing the power chair rather than replacing parts.

[@wolfmanjones7726]

I have a maxima heavy-duty scooter and it's making a growling noise in the motor or the gearbox. Where I don't know but it's sounds like a combustible engine lol 😆 would you happen to know what or where the problem is ?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Wolfman, one thing you can do is check to see if there is anything trapped between the rear wheels and the axle shafts. I've seen it many times where some people have run over rope, wire and even rocks they can get caught up and cause noise. If there is nothing there, then to rule out the brake try releasing the brake while you're riding the scooter if the noise goes away then the brake could be the problem (please do this with caution as you will not have an active brake). If the noise continues, then you're looking at motor bearings and/or worn transaxle/bearings. Ian

[@autocompletellc9906]

I have buzz around extreme that’s presenting the 5 beep, brake error code. The terminals on top of the brake itself are showing continuity. But when I test the leads that come out of the brake and through the snap switch, I have no continuity. Could the snap switch be the problem? Please help-it belongs to my mom and her insurance doesn’t cover these expensive machines. Thanks.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

When you remove the rear section from the front of the scooter on the rear section there should be four connectors, two for the brake and two for the motor. with the brake in the lock or drive position place your multi meter on the two brake connectors and set your multi meter to ohm reading. You should be getting 54.0Ω +/- or there abouts. Check or any broken wires and loose connections while you there. If you are getting OL or 0 reading on your multimeter, then your brake is bad will need to be replaced. From one of the wires from the brake itself to the connector on the rear secion that connects to the front you should get continuity but not on both, only an Ω reading. Hope this helps. Ian

[@autocompletellc9906]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Hey, thanks for such a quick response and your generosity. Many people wouldn’t respond, and those that would, not with as much detail as you did. I’m subscribing and liking just for that, even though your content is worthy of both. Now back to the scooter. While waiting for your response, I bypassed the snap switch, to see if the brake harness that plugs into the the “rear intermediate connector”, would get continuity. It did! So the snap switch was bad! I’m so enthusiastic about that because the switch probably cost a couple of dollars, whereas I was almost on the way to buy a brake-motor assembly or even a brand new scooter. This was my Christmas gift from Santa, lol! Thanks again for your videos!

[@autocompletellc9906]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Allow me to beg your help again, please. I’m the guy who guess having the brake fault issue and found it was the snap switch. I it’s the switch bypassed, and the scooter put back together, on the lowest speed setting (turtle) the scooter won’t move in reverse at all. Went move all the way to rabbit it will go into reverse. It’s it possible I orientated the motor onto the transaxle or brake onto the motor wrong?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey, I did leave a response to your second post, but it looks like KZbin lost it somewhere!! As for your bypass I said in my lost post that I think you might have just fooled the controller into thinking the brake circuit is OK and the brake isn't electronically releasing. Is there audible click from the brake when you press and release the throttle? Two ways of testing this is put the scooter in freewheel mode (power on) and see what happens when you press the throttle. If you have fixed the problem, then it should beep five times. If you have just bypassed the system, then it should drive normally but is not safe to use this way. I'm thinking the reason its super slow in reverse is because the brake is in the drive position and is not being released by the controller because of your bypass. Ian

[@autocompletellc9906]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Hey, thanks for your response again. And yea, youtube seems to lose comments regularly, in my experience. I can tell you for sure that I have fooled the controller, because I completely removed the bad switch from the circuit. It will drive in both the freewheel and locked position and does not set a beep code either way. Earlier, I removed the control panel cover at the handle bar and wiggled the wiring going to the speed pot. Now on the lowest setting, it will reverse. I don’t know if that was a coincidence or not, or if something else happened in the interim. But the motor braking works as normal when I release the throttle. Are you saying the switch not only signals to the controller that there is power at the switch, but also releases the brake when the throttle is engaged? Do you think that once I purchase the replacement snap switch and install it that my problem will be resolved? Or do you think the new switch will suffer the same fate as the bad one from some unknown, underlying issue? I’m still trying to figure out what made the switch fail in the first place. Upon visual inspection, there was no sign of shorting out like the plastic exterior melting or charring or smelling or anything of the sort Thanks again.

[@michaeldominy2084]

Hi Ian, just an update on my problem. Power as I mentioned is coming to the rear of the scooter, when I put in reverse there is the reverse sound coming through, when I press drive I get a clicking sound, if I change break position it blinks the blue light 9 times. The scooter is a Komfi aerolite, very much like the kymco k- lite. Is this any help.?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Michael, the nine-flash code is indicating that the brake leaver is in the natural position and needs to be in the lock/drive position before turning the scooter on. If you don't have a user manual for your scooter it can be found here www.manualslib.com/download/1519024/Komfi-Rider-Aerolite-Plus.html If you go to page 19 it gives you a list of error code to help you decipher any errors with the scooter. If the noise you are hearing is a beeping when it is reverse this is quite normal. The clicking sound should be the electromagnetic brake releasing when the throttle is depressed. Check you speed dial is turned up. Check your power indicator dial on the tiller that the needle is in the green and not in the yellow or red. If your batteries are over a year old, you might want to consider changing them for new ones. If all the above is ok, it could be a number of things such as throttle or speed dial problem or even worse a transaxle problem. Without seeing the scooter in person it's hard to diagnose.

[@edmundreiss5144]

How do I remove and straighten or replace, the right rear axle on my Pride Mobility Raptor R3-1700. The axle side of the disengage lever. Do you sell these sir so I can fix my wife's scooter. She has MS and depends on it for mobility. Thank you for all of your help sir! Thank you for your videos!

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Edmund, If the transaxle has broken then I would recommend replacing the transaxle rather than fixing it. Removing the transaxle is not going to be an easy job due to the weight of the scooter. most pride scooters, anything to do with the transaxle can only be bought as a complete motor, brake and transaxle and normally the cost of replacing the part can outweigh the price of just buying a new scooter. You can call us tomorrow Monday 9am PST 702 265 2441 and we can discuss exactly what part you need and what the price of the part, shipping and TAX would be.

[@edmundreiss5144]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Thank you so much sir! I am very skilled at repairs and if you have the part I will be able to fix it. The transaxle works it just has a bent axle on the right side. Thank you! I will call when you open today and thanks for the quick response! Ed

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Great speaking with you today Ed and I hope you get your Raptor sorted so the good lady can get back on the road again.

[@edmundreiss5144]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Thank you Ian and I will try to remove the right axle and try to straighten it. Any tips would be greatly appreciated so my wife and me can go on walks again. Maybe a video of how to do this job on my Raptor? Thanks! Ed

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Ed, unfortunately I do not have a Raptor in store to show you anything I've only worked on an EW36 and EW72 which have a different style drive system to the Raptor. As far as I'm aware it's the same set up as all Pride scooters. Remove the wiring from the motor and brake from the main harness, Jack up the scooter and place blocks under the frame to stabilize the scooter somehow and remove both rear wheels. Then I would look for the transaxle bolts that secure the transaxle to the frame to remove the transaxle so you can work on a bench rather than while it's on the scooter. Good Luck my friend.

[@scootercowboy]

Very helpful and interesting! Do you work on Ewheels scooters?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Not any more.

[@garyhockensmith2471]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts hahahh

[@steveowens4608]

On the trans axle why does one wheel go clockwise and the other anti ?is there a problem

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Steven, on scooter transaxles when the scooter is lifted with no friction to the wheels a good transaxle both wheels should turn in the same direction. If one wheel is kept stationary the other lifted wheel should turn in the direction of travel. The only time I've seen wheels turn in opposite directions is on the ZT8, ZT 10 and power wheelchairs, where the controllers reverse the opposite turning wheel to turn the other direction for tighter turning. I would say there might be a problem with gears or worn damaged bearings in the transaxle if one wheel is turning the opposite direction.

[@steveowens4608]

@lasvegasscooterslifts Thanks for getting back to me. I can't try it out just yet, battery on charge. My scooter is a kymco forum. I've just taken ownership. But I've been told that after a fue minutes one wheel locks up

[@steveowens4608]

Sorry kymco foru. Predictive text

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Sounds like something may have broken loose in the transaxle. I usually find its when take tight turns they lock up quicker.

[@ittech7967]

we have one and the warning light on the charger comes on, it shows its fully charged but than it starts making a beeping noise and will not go. ( I think she plugged the wrong charger into it ) how can we fix it? Thank you

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Sorry need more information, make, model and how many beeps also output volt and amp rating on the charger and when the batteries were last changed. Make sure the charger isn't still plugged in and the brake is in the engaged, in the drive or locked position before trying to ride the scooter.

[@ittech7967]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts the shift lock was off, thats all

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I like an easy fix 👍

[@cuongtlam]

What happens when the right wheel will not spin freely when in neutral and won’t move when in drive mode?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Cuongtlam, usually locked up broken transaxle, seized motor or something stuck between the wheel and the frame.

[@SuperGokuSon]

can i just remov teh brake and leve teh unit with out a brake it seams like it wouled still work

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I would'nt.

[@petercarrington626]

Good video but sometimes off camera position so can't see what you are explaining as off shot, thanks for a good explanation, motor brush connection is called a commutator. Thx Peter.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Thanks Peter, Yeah I struggle with that word lol

[@johnstuby8036]

Thank you

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

You're welcome

[@amismarterthanmy6thgrader]

I look after my stepdads sports rider scooter, ND I've done almost everything on it ,, But it's has started to act weird when I release the accelerator the brakes almost instantly locks up ,, I pulled it all apart ND checked everything I could ND it worked ok for week but seems to have come back ,, my step dad also said that when his accelerating now the voltage is surging higher,, , I've been looking everywhere for info but I'm lost Lol ,, I'm hoping someone here may have had similar experiences

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Sound like electronic brake failing to me that's attached to the motor. that would be the first place I would look. If the brake isn't automatically disengaging and is staying locked on the power will be reduced and the motor will be getting hot from resistance from the brake. Try putting your hand on the brake lever located on the motor and see if you can feel a distinct click and movement in the brake handle. If it was a wiring issue the system should report a brake error. If not, it might be the hub brakes looked on.

[@amismarterthanmy6thgrader]

Hi mate thanks for getting back to me 😊,, I can eliminate the second brake you activate with your hand on the handle bar's, I took so that of me tested it ,, ND I've tested the electronic brake also that is working fine , the potentiometer is all in correct order, I've gone over almost all the wiring to and all appears to be connected nicely ND clean ,, The batterys are good to I've not been able to check the control box as I'm not up to skill on that yet and I've not checked the motor properly either, the brushs I need to check . Am I correct that the motor slows the scooter and the electric brake turns on once stopped ND hold the scooter still like a handbrake,, Ty again for responding as is been doing my head in last couple of days lol

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Yes normally the motor will reduce the speed slightly and then the EMB will lock the motor to stop the scooter. Even though the brake might be working ok and not giving any errors, if its worn and loose it can stop the brake from releasing correctly giving you the problems you are saying. Also wiring could still be a candidate, even if you test each wire for continuity and they are ok I would move the harness while testing to make sure there is no wear or broken wires or bad connections in any of plugs and harness.

[@JackFish-nv1jj]

I want to put a bigger motor on my traveler scooter,,

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Why?

[@JackFish-nv1jj]

Power and speed ,,,then so.e little bit bigger wheels so it can go thru lawn better,,,i like the size of this scooter as I can put it in the van side door for store trips etc ,,it just doest go thru yard very well

[@martin4787]

I still see a lot of lift in the axel. Why didn't you try doubling up with another washer or remove the gasket to remove the amount of lift?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hi Martin, it's fine line between separation causing slipping of the drive gears and too snug that can cause much pressure on the gears, that would cause a binding effect and lead to excessive battery drain. I've found that better to be a little slack but enough to cause slipping than a tight fit.

[@martin4787]

@@lasvegasscooterslifts Hi. I'm recently retired and I made my living rebuilding Land Rover engines, gearboxes, transfer boxes and differentials and I used to export them all over the world, so I know a little bit about shimming and to me it was too loose. I agree that being over shimmed is bad, leads to excessive wear. but that was too loose in my opinion. Keep up the good work my friend. 🙂👍

[@robertfandel9442]

Didn't realize Land Rover and go go scooters were so similar.

[@martin4787]

@@robertfandel9442 You'd be surprised Robert lol 🙂

[@arthurharrison4962]

Mine is making a noise when going down hill?

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Could be anything motor trans related. Have you taken it anywhere to get it looked at.

[@brunningwolf]

My scooter s73 beeps 5 times has new motor & brake won’t move forward or back up

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I would test the new brake and make sure it reads 49-54 ohm in the locked drive position if not the brake is faulty. Use the top two pins of the front to rear connector on the rear section to do the test. Also, it could be a damaged microswitch, check for continuity on the two wires going to the microswitch in the drive and freewheel position it should be OL in one position and connected circuit in the other position. Also check continuity from the microswitch to the rear pins. If everything reads ok, then you might have a wiring issue to the controller on the front section connectors to the controller or a controller issue.

[@ronalddaub9740]

I had one similar and once I cleaned all of that dirty grease out and put in new lithium grease my amps went down 70%

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Interesting thank you.

[@garygullikson6349]

Damned shame that new replacement electric brakes are not available. Usable used brakes may be available on Ebay, etc. Buying a good used scooter ( careful) might be an alternative to trying to overhaul an old worn scooter or buying a new scooter. FYI, Mobility Direct sells OEM transaxles with brake for $469 for SC40E Pride Go Go Elite Traveler.

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

I understand why Pride stopped selling just the brake separately $$$$ better to sell a motor and brake, you make more money that way!! Yes, used is the only option but then you might have reliability issues later on. I checked MD and they only have a Traveller Plus/Sport motor, trans and brake for $469 I am thinking of selling more parts on Ebay and hopefully I undercut MD and Monsterscooterparts.com price, but I'd have to check into shipping costs and fees.

[@ProjectX-y7h]

I bought and old Rascal 655 many years ago the problem was both motors went so a company gave me a price on replacing both motors each motor cost $850 it would be $1700 for just the motors not including labor I was disappointed but my disappointment turned into determination and I'm handicap I can sit to work on something but I can't stand more then a couple minutes I will fall. So I took my old scooter and I gutted it down to just the wheels and frame cut everything off even the wiring then all I used was a drill a saws all and a bunch of nuts and bolts along with wiring and I built me a brand new scooter for less then $700 I used and electric go kart motor kit now I'm drag racing 😂

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Glad you are keeping that thing going even if it is only drag racing it, drive safely my friend. 👍

[@dsedswe]

try putting what you're working into focus

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

"T", "on" 👍😁 Thank you for you for your constructive criticism. We're all not perfect.

[@bryanbailey1476]

Another whiner

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

😆

[@MikeWilliams-yp9kl]

When I ordered my scooter, They never said anything about them being so temperamental and impossible to repair 😮

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Mike, did you buy online or at a local store? I found that it depends on what brand of scooter you have to how temperamental and hard to repair. I found if it's an off-brand product it's impossible to find parts and also, you're hard on them they can break a lot quicker. Let me know if you need any help?

[@bobfin4291]

SEE ya voice over is TOO low

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Sorry Bob, I didn't have a microphone when I made this video. Anything you need to know you can just ask 👍

[@midgebentley5303]

Hi there that was a great video I have TGA Mystere here in the UK. I have been told my pin bearns will be needing replaced at some point I have looked for a new transaxle for it but can only find second hand I have only had it for about 3 month wished I had never bought second hand at 1 time I would go in and fix it not now as I cant just wondering if you could tell me where to get a new transaxle for it thank you very much for your help very much appreciated

[@lasvegasscooterslifts]

Hey Midge, not sure what "pin bearns" are I've never heard that term before. Here in the US I believe that scooter is known as the "Hartway Mystere" www.heartwayusa.com/ and is an older scooter and the parts have been discontinued. It looks like the only option is used parts. Ian