How to respond when you are called a bigot or homophobe

[@kevincao5484]

I feel like people aren't getting the point of this video. He's making the point that you can both disapprove of something and not hate it. Why is this an argument we literally do this all the time.

[@stephendavidbailey2743]

I had no choice in my creation. Disapproval of something I did not chose and cannot change feels very much like hate. I am 76, have been subjected to this for my entire conscience life.

[@kevincao5484]

That's a strange argument, do you hate everyone that you disagree with? Also you realize that people are born with undesirable traits like selfish and pride? You can still dislike those things and still hang out with people. It's how you get along, rarely will you find people born in the exact way you desire.

[@Idolikethis]

LMFAO. This video is utter denial. Ignorance is heavily at play here. Peoples disassociate with the words is also coupled with their lack of education about them. Its is not what people reach for or look inward to understand that their own words and actions by others witnessing it is properly labeled as they are seeing it. No one is called a dinosaur and automatically becomes a literal dinosaur...but if youre elbows are tucked in your sleeves and youre walking around animated as weve all come to know and associate with a t rex. Then being called a dinosaur and getting offended and saying NO IM A T REX....isnt getting the point there.

[@kevincao5484]

@@Idolikethis I think you just described a metaphor.

[@wiilover07]

If you disapprove of something you clearly hate it. I disapprove of murderers, terrorists, rapists, thiefs etc.

[@geoffreygklein]

Mike I would like to take a moment and thank you for supporting the Biblical believe in a loving and compassionate way. This has happened to me personally, I’ve been told my beliefs are alienating people. It’s disheartening and hard to stay true to God’s word but your understanding always gives me peace that I’m doing the right thing.

[@trithos7308]

They are alienating people because they are designed to oppress those people and you are blind to it

[@AetheredMichael]

Have you met god? No you have not. It is delusional to think that a stupid 2000 year old book is god's word, as god cannot speak, jesus was a psycho and you are delusional. Simple as that. Also I am bisexual and polyamorous

[@hoodaticus]

Love Itself became flesh and entered the world, and when He did so He spoke the only G-d breathed words ever recorded. Not one of which supports your judgment. To condemn homosexuals you must do so on the authority of a mass murdering, genocidal rapist and a slayer of Christians. Other than those two, no biblical author, even the one who only murdered one guy, never condemned homosexuals.

[@guillermoelnino]

I love being called those things. It lets me know who's opinion do disregard.

[@spammer5530]

Wow you're smart

[@guillermoelnino]

@@spammer5530 clearly smarter than y ou

[@TheDoctor394]

This is good, and it's something I've thought about for some time - to be consistent, those who support homosexuality and condemn those who oppose it should also be happy with incest, otherwise their own insults can be thrown right back in their faces, as Mike has done here. However, I want to question the understanding that a phobia must automatically equal hatred. To my understanding, a phobia is an extreme fear or discomfort about something, whether it be spiders or heights, etc. One could be "homophobic" in that they are personally uncomfortable with it (whether they have religious views or not), but, while that could lead to hatred, it's not necessarily so. I am a Christian and disagree with it on those grounds, and I am also personally uncomfortable with it, which I would think makes me a homophobe. However, in no way do I hate homosexuals or despise them. From a personal point of view, it's something about which I am uncomfortable, and surely, like anyone else, I have a right to feel that way, as long as I don't use it to go out and hurt others.

[@jurijdjokovic2018]

You dont support incest by supporting homosexuality, what a stupid logic.

[@brianevans4]

Very good point Keith!

[@TheNightVixen]

@@brianevans4 It's actually not.

[@TheDoctor394]

@@NAEVAN238 Thank you for your reply. Since I wrote that message, I have developed a certain phobia (nothing to do with any kind of sexuality) which has come close to destroying my life, and am now even more passionate about the term being used correctly, which you have done here.

[@spongeintheshoe]

Though the thing is, pointing out that inconsistency isn’t really an argument, since it could just as easily be taken to mean that maybe we _should_ accept incestuous relationships.

[@benlabarre9748]

I thought this was a very well done video. Mike great job.

[@MikeWinger]

Thank you!

[@benlabarre9748]

Seriously? So let me just get this straight; I tell Mike "good job" when it truly think he did a good job and its a bad thing for him? Its not flattery, its a compliment on a job well done.

[@benlabarre9748]

Ok just read the rest of your comments, and all I can say is your wrong, and you need to get a life besides being a troll.

[@benlabarre9748]

You don't even know me! I made one comment saying "good job" and you corrected me and have been looking for ways to diminish and tear down rather than lift up on social media sights (Definition of a troll), and say that I hate Christ (not true) and your calling me a Bully?!

[@benlabarre9748]

Oh and by your definition and interpretation to that one verse no one can give a compliment ever.... sad life... Sorry bro, I feel for you.

[@RealPeppaPigXD]

Person: you are a bigot Me: yes

[@SBrown-ti8xe]

Exactly. I sometimes even thank them for the compliment.

[@Alexander-wq7qo]

@@RealPeppaPigXD that’s really sad

[@RealPeppaPigXD]

@@Alexander-wq7qo yeah ik i used to be a reddit kid when i posted this

[@Alexander-wq7qo]

@@RealPeppaPigXD Ohh Hahaha. People told me reddits like that but I’m on a happy side of reddit

[@Idolikethis]

How does one become falsley accused of these things if theyve NOT said or done anything to be associated by these terms? MY DEAR GOD

[@ArmisHart]

People weaponize words all the times simply to "win". "If I say these magical words then I win this internet argument." Or even in real life.

[@guillermoelnino]

evil people use those words to shame good people into capitulating. I fully embrace being called those things because I know those who do are evil.

[@sharonward4766]

Hate the sin, love the sinner. He is not saying to hate gay peopleBible, he is saying same sex sexual contact is forbidden by God. Its in the Bible, folks!

[@Sarah-pm4zf]

Sharon Ward God never told anyone to hate. So that saying is nonsense. Stop getting so mad about what other people do in their lives.

[@ISlimerNYC]

The bible also says that slavery is okay "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ". I, personally don't believe that slavery is okay, but clearly the Bible does.

[@kateteal1551]

You can’t love the sinner if you are using your political power to keep non Christian gays from having equal rights, your just a bigot

[@theperson6963]

@@Sarah-pm4zf That’s literally what she’s saying. You just hate the sin, the literal BAD THING. Not the human being. Do you hate stealing? If you do they that’s sort of what this guy/girl is trying to say, don’t hate the thief, hate the act of stealing. Hate love that is not of God, but love the person who does it because they need guidance.

[@klinxium8627]

no

[@Dynas85_]

7 years have gone by and now I think even the incest question would be acceptable. There's no end to the depravity anymore.

[@spongeintheshoe]

In fairness, you _have_ been comparing opposition to incestuous relationships to opposition to homosexual relationships.

[@RealityCheck6T9]

By the end of the video I got where you were going with this and saw the point. But I think you're playing a dangerous game expressing it with that kind of rhetoric. The moment you accuse someone of being an "incestphobe" they will probably just start mocking you saying that you want to have sex with family members and the point you were trying to make will just get lost.

[@IsmaelLovecraft]

no, Mike, by the claim that people who oppose homosexuality are bigots, God is much much worse. homophobes didn't make some people gay and didn't then forbid and condemn same-sex sex acts.

[@taco8951]

That logic would work if they didn't blame Satan for all sin in the world. If bad exista under the all powerful and omniscient God, then it's Satan's fault it happened and God could do nothing about it

[@Yipper64]

1:20 most of them would say "yes and?" to that. They already think God is evil. I guess this is an argument for confused Christians who dont read the bible.

[@spongeintheshoe]

Well, saying that homosexuality is a sin is pretty dang evil.

[@Yipper64]

​@@spongeintheshoe by what standard? A vegan says that eating a steak is evil. A marxist says captialism is evil. Other people say different things. Not everyone can be correct.

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@Yipper64 Homosexuality doesn’t really hurt people in any measurable way.

[@Yipper64]

@@spongeintheshoe Not what I asked. Plus, if God is all knowing, and God said it was sin, then at least purely from a logical standpoint with that foundation for a worldview, then there is a manurable way that homosexuality does hurt people. I am almost certain however, I could not convince you of this fact. What I think is more important that you understand is that, sin does not mean that people are worth less when they sin, or that people who sin are worth less. Sin is a way to show us that we need a savior. And none are without sin. So I guess in that sense, why is it evil to show people they need a savior when it is objective fact that they do?

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@Yipper64 Yeah, you couldn’t. Because your reasoning starts with the assumption that there exists an all-knowing god who says homosexuality is a sin.

[@carolinez1018]

Wait are we just gonna gloss over the fact that he just compared homosexuality to incest lmAo that's comparing apples to oranges my guy

[@brianevans4]

I don't think he was saying they are alike. He was just using it as another example of how you can say something is wrong without hating people who do it. Perhaps we can all agree that lying is wrong, but we don't hate everybody who lies (ie all humans). The point Mike is making is that by saying homosexuality is wrong, is not the same as hating gay people.

[@littleboots9800]

@Christian Morgan Actually they have more than "their silly little book" to inform their opinion. The fact that homosexuality seems to provide a poor basis for human flourishing is evidenced in the far lower life span of gays, the greater incidences of all manner of health problems from STI's to cancers, the greater use of tobacco, alcohol and drugs, higher incidence of mental health issues, (and if this was due to stigma we should be seeing a decrease but we don't,) as well as poorer outcomes for children of such unions. Gay relationships are far less likely (by several orders of magnitude,) to be lifelong, committed and monogamous. This lack of stability isn't good for society, any children brought into such unions or the individuals involved. So what Christians read in their bible seems to be borne out by what they see in real life.

[@mrinternet.]

@@littleboots9800 While gay men tend to be more prone to such diseases, gay women tend to be less prone to them than even straight people. But you wouldn't say being straight is more immoral than being lesbian, would you? As for the substance abuse, that tends to stem from the mental health issue you brought up, which you say it should decrease if it was due to stigma, why should it? The stigma and ill treatment of gays hasn't gone away. Just because people in media are more openly supportive doesn't mean gay ppl aren't being kicked out the house, doesn't mean they aren't being told something that is in their essence is wrong, Christians tell them such things and you can't imagine what it must be like to be told to not love who you love. Imagine ppl said the wife you have is bad for you, and any other women you fall for. It would be pretty sick. Also just because people use things that are bad for their health does not mean it is immoral, as Americas obsession with fast food is killing them in numbers, doesn't make it immoral, just something that should be worked on.

[@pwx13]

It’s quite simple the homosexual is judgemental by his own definition that is the point

[@littleboots9800]

@@mrinternet. I didn't mention morality. I said it seems to provide a poor basis for human flourishing.

[@joanschutter5863]

You're the best at explaining difficult topics, Mike!!

[@Vopyr]

Difficult topic? If someone is an asshole, a bigot, and a queerphobe, then they are an asshole, a bigot, and a queerphobe. It's simple.

[@Aym4n-]

@@Vopyr and its You

[@Vopyr]

@@Aym4n-, Huh, try harder. I'm non-binary and pansexual, so your comment is pointless and damn funny.

[@Aym4n-]

@@VopyrGo and buy a R0P3 f49907

[@Aym4n-]

@@Vopyr f49907

[@sunshinepurple1043]

Ooooo.....I work in a VERY liberal environment and have for over 20 years. Been called a homophobe many times behind my back. Never could think of a reply other than breaking down the word as fear of same. I don't fear others of my gender so what's the deal, dude? I like this much better.

[@cathy7382]

Sometimes I wish gay people would go back into the closet there was more peace

[@chrisstones3488]

I feel sorry for people who pick up a book, and believe it. Jesus never spoke about homosexuality. What people do in their own home is none of your business. Religious people make my skin itch, worry about your own salvation, not others.

[@hamybear]

Um...Just to let you know, the word “homosexual” wasn’t added to the Bible until 1943. Your logic is false.

[@MikeWinger]

I based my understanding off a study of the original Greek, not English translations. If you’re interested in going through that info it’s here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6naZXxro7ambpY

[@jehielmutia1744]

the word isn't but the idea & the deeds are

[@AkonFenty1992]

Bigot is somebody who opposes different opinion which is what anti-gay ppl, cus they don't want to listen to their side, and they think homosexuality is wrong w/o proof backing them up...homophobe is someone who hates, has an irrational fear, or strong dislike towards LGBT ppl...someone being against LGBT ppl just makes them anti-gay which is just as stupid as being homophobic, cus why be against ppl who haven't done anything wrong, but be themselves? so that's like a right handed person being against somebody whose left handed? what? I swear you ppl can be ignorant sometimes.

[@MikeWinger]

+Akon Fenty by your definition of bigot you are a bigot. You oppose my opinion.

[@AkonFenty1992]

Not my definition, but what the dictionary says...I don't oppose any view I just disagree with ppl's views when their views are illogical, like if somebody told me 2 + 2 = 5, I'm not oppose to them believing that, cus they're allowed to have those opinions, but I can't agree with it since that is not a logical opinion...I am a person who is about logic and common sense, so if your opinion doesn't make sense then I can't agree with it, but I'm not opposed to anyone having different view points, it just has to make sense for me to agree.

[@siyem2051]

no likes for you buddy, your just out of words and Mike just shut you off with a well constructed sentence.

[@connectingmindsthroughsucc7488]

Well done.uoiur Channel is the wave

[@michaeltowslee4111]

Stop texting Ted Haggard.

[@M.H.I.A.F.T.]

Being gay isn't a choice. Being a bigot is.

[@Vopyr]

Ha! Best comment.

[@guillermoelnino]

Then why are y ou gr ooming heterse xuals into being g ay?

[@trithos7308]

​@@guillermoelninothat's not happening. You can't just change someone's sexual orientation. It's why conversion camps are nothing more the torture camps designed to make people hate themselves

[@NightOwlUtopia]

Of course anyone who doesn’t approve of it is evil.. hid is live and acceptance, how dare you people think you ave the power to condemn ANYONE on account of who they love. The mere fact that you people lump incest and homosexuality is also wrong and yes… bigoted… it shows you people have no desire to learn about gays you just want to judge them because “God”? Stop quoting the old testament

[@georgeboehringer5530]

My bigotry is not limited to racial hatred.

[@angelsparkle555]

Has it ever occurred to you that homosexual people may have a specific purpose? That diversity has design? Aren't we told not to judge? Where exactly is the divide between unconditional love and judgement? What's the difference between being gay and being black or being born on the autistic spectrum, for example? Is unconditional love only admitted by the creator under certain...conditions? Is there even such a thing as unconditional love in your view? Have you ever for one solitary second considered that gay people might just be here to test our capacity for tolerance/love? NO BECAUSE INCEST!!!

[@angelsparkle555]

@@pwx13 Go away.

[@angelsparkle555]

@@pwx13 I have Asperger's myself.

[@angelsparkle555]

@@pwx13 I'm also black. J/k.

[@cathyhamlin3611]

You are comparing apples with oranges, being born black isn't a choice, but giving in to a lifestyle that is abusive to the body, and that shortens the lifespan isn't a good thing. If gays couldn't change, then why are alot of then unhappy being gay, I recall a friend at school, that if there was a pill that could make him straight, he would gladly take it. There is no way gays could have children like heterosexuals, so there you go

[@cryoblaster8371]

@@cathyhamlin3611 yall always quick to bring up how depressed and suicidal lgbt people are than go and ignore when people say it because of homophobes and Christians who think its ok to hate on their children for being gay or trans. Ofc they would wish to be straight if it meant freedom from cruel and unjustifiable retribution. And tell me, how is it in anyway harmful to the body or shortening of lifespan?

[@curatinghumanism]

Comparing incest to same-sex love, even via metaphor with cute music-yikes. Is this still really your take?

[@Tbear995]

The guy is a moron so I'm not surprised

[@Joshhies]

@@Tbear995 He is trying to get you back on track that God has created you. What is wrong about that? Don't promote something that is wrong, and say it's right because you think it's right. "Same-sex love"... what does "love" here even mean? Stop calling people out because you don't agree with them. He disagrees with your point, doesn't make him a "evil" person. You agree with your point, doesn't make you a "good" one. Burst yourself out of your own bubble on confess your sins to God.

[@inchristalone25]

You could argue the incestual relationship is loving couldn't you? But you still believe it's wrong don't you?

[@curatinghumanism]

@@inchristalone25 incest, unlike homosexual love, does actually lead to bad outcomes for offspring.

[@inchristalone25]

@@curatinghumanism they don't have to procreate, maybe the guy gets a vasectomy. Would you still believe their relationship is wrong?

[@Julian-tf5rb]

I disagree. I am Gay and Christian. There are many different interpretations of Christianity and the scriptures out there. Just because you may not agree with my take on Christianity makes neither you nor myself any less of a Christian. Secondly. If someone is advocating for punishment, suppression, or death of LGBTQ people, that's just flatly homophobia and hate. Jesus wouldn't approve. He taught the opposite. You CANNOT use the scriptures as a weapon against your neighbors! That really is blasphemous in my eyes!

[@nicrosilmind]

I interpret your comment as saying that you wholeheartedly agree with Mike Winger’s position.

[@teamatfort444]

But then what happens if I think incest is fine among consenting adults?

[@JA-mg8cn]

Then you are wrong.

[@teamatfort444]

@@JA-mg8cn what’s your argument against?

[@klinxium8627]

@@teamatfort444 they are literal family. a sexual relationship and a family relationship are two very different things. like I don’t know how to explain it, it’s just so obviously wrong.

[@teamatfort444]

@@klinxium8627 can I give you a hypothetical scenario and we can argue about it from there?

[@klinxium8627]

@@teamatfort444 sure

[@jordancarter9064]

and if you say incest is alright???

[@cathyhamlin3611]

I don't think so

[@jordancarter9064]

@@cathyhamlin3611 So this issue with the response saying someone is an "incestiphobe" is that it appeals simply to disgust and not the justification of why it is bad. That's my point, if as a respondent you ask "why is incest wrong", then you have to get them to justify that, same case with the homosexuality. I understand that this is meant to be a quick public response, but its not a very good or honest tactic

[@jordancarter9064]

@wanker2us see my response to the other person

[@teamatfort444]

@@cathyhamlin3611 what’s your argument against incest?

[@Alexander-wq7qo]

Alright lets get into it 1: You can “disagree” with gay relationships (although idk why its your business if you aren’t in one) 2: we all know the bible, we do not care, we don’t need to be preached at, we are fine 3: how dare you compare incest to gay identity. Wild comparison. In conclusion, coming from a gay person: just don’t talk to us. We don’t want to be bothered with people from your ideology

[@SalettaRocks]

Nonsense, God has said nothing. It is people who interpret and propogate his word and people who also loose the historical context and persecute. Comparing to incest is not valid because incest is not allowed because it causes genes to reduce their diversity. Same sex relationships benefit society. If you reframe your opinion that all women and men are not baby makers you can see that a same sex couple who would never want to produce opposite sex offspring might be happier and more beneficial to society in another capacity, such as foster parent, adoption, etc... ...also the church has never strongly persecuted gay priests so why not? ...maybe because God tells us to love all...... ...depending on your motivation, yes you are a homophobe if you can't see the other person as someone deserving all that you have. The fact that attack in response is an indication that you do indeed have a fear. I suspect god would value inclusion rather than exclusion...that's what Jesus did...included and despised those who did not respect minorities.

[@inchristalone25]

Where are your studies showing raising children with same sex parents isn't detrimental. As far as I know it's a massive experiment. Children need a Dad and a Mom biologically. So until science can show it's okay to confuse the biology we don't know that it benefits kids. We all know single parents raise kids with many challenges I think its the same with same sex couples.

[@taco8951]

Most people that are anti-gay Christians like to quote Leviticus, while ignoring literally everything else in Leviticus.

[@delawareteacher1182]

Excellent as usual Mike, thank you! :)

[@dona4him942]

You can call him a hypocrite as well. 😉

[@nobody4191]

Did you just compare having a homosexual relationship that is equally if not stronger and braver than heterosexual relationship as having incestuous relationship? DO YOU REALLY WANNA NOT CALL YOURSELF A HOMOPHOBE?

[@gurucarcar]

Loving someone is not the issue - having sex is. Learn the difference.

[@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489]

What, do you believe murder is brave because it too is berated by those with moral standards?

[@gurucarcar]

@@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489 What? Murder? State your point.

[@hakushokuhikari]

You're missing the point lol

[@shadowlandstudios86]

No where did he compare incest and homosexuality. It was simply an example of some thing some people find morally wrong. He could’ve used any example in that regards. And it wouldn’t of meant he was comparing those two things. That said, they are both sexual perversions that people choose to act on. So there is that.

[@Sola_Scriptura_1.618]

Great video Mike! Offense is the best defense!

[@TheSparky777]

"By their definition, God is therefore a bigot and a homophobe". Well, if the bible is to be believed then that's an accurate assessment.

[@LilyAthena738]

Option 3 If being called a homophobe they are afraid of gay people. Root word of there comes from the Greek word phobia which means fear.

[@Sarah-pm4zf]

Lily Ma’am, please search up the meaning of homophobia, it does NOT and I repeat NOT mean being afraid of gay people.

[@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489]

@@Sarah-pm4zf That is what it implies tho. The only reason it 'doesn't' mean that is because the word is misused to further demonize people who are intolerant to sin

[@Sarah-pm4zf]

@@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489 okay but do you really care what other people do with their lives? it’s not yours so don’t tell others how to live it. it’s not affecting you.

[@Kay-ql2wl]

You literally said you are against being gay, that’s what being homophobic is. Why must must you hate someone for something they can’t control

[@inchristalone25]

Being anti-sexual immorality isn't hateful. Just like most people are with pedophilia and incest. You could argue incestual relationships are loving, does that make them okay? Just because someone loves someone of the same sex does not make marrying them and having sex with them okay. We love the sinner not the sin.

[@_Spider4]

U CAN CONTROL IT IF A GAY GUY WANTED TO BE STRAIGHT THEN HE COULD BE STRAIGHT BC ITS A CHOICE

[@Vopyr]

@@inchristalone25 Grow up and stop comparing pedophilia/incest to homosexuality, bigot.

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@inchristalone25 Pedophilia is bad because children can’t consent.

[@inchristalone25]

@@spongeintheshoe Why is marrying your distant cousin wrong then?

[@XxlightxX]

We just don't accept sinful behavior. I dont need to be so accepting of everything or that behavior. It's unnatural in Gods eyes. Just cause I don't agree with that lifestyle doesn't mean I will be rude about it. Plus yohre not even saved by your works anyway. Those who have issues are pharasiees.

[@aaabbc379]

if it’s so unnatural in your gods eyes, then why’d he make all the animals gay?

[@trithos7308]

U am not accepting of your beliefs and your behaviour is disgusting. Frankly, you should be banned from public spaces for the believes you hold.

[@trithos7308]

​@@aaabbc379because you man well know the Christian god was beyond incompetent

[@joshuasalcedo3630]

A

[@hdmat101]

Lot and his daughters

[@Xenosaurian]

What?

[@gabriellameattray9778]

nooo😭

[@driftergrey]

So I found this definition of bigotry: “intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.” On the basis of that definition, the person that calls you a bigot, is in fact, themselves, also a bigot. As they hold different opinions from the person they are calling that word. 😅🤣 That word probably shouldn't even exist, because if everyone holds varying opinions, then everyone is a bigot. 🤯😆

[@spammer5530]

Very conservative brained comment

[@sebcairo1352]

Bruh u option 1

[@Yawnyaman]

Not often this guy is shallow, but this might be an exception, remembering that this video is 5 years old. My boss (and I work for the UK Civil Service so he is a very big boss indeed) would consider any criticism of a gay lifestyle as simply morally wrong, full stop. Certainly, while he might accept the accuracy of the biblical interpretation presented here and elsewhere, he would consider it fundamentally harmful as a whole, certainly to gay people and ultimately to society as a whole. Therefore, the play on words offered here would simply look at best vacuous and at worst idiotic. He would probably be too polite to call Mike a homophobe to his face, but he would certainly think it. Faced with this, the only thing to do is to suck it up, agree to disagree and walk off. You won't win him to God, but at least you will retain your dignity.

[@elishamitchell8703]

Well, you could go on to ask your boss, "On what moral grounds do you make such judgements? If they are subjective (your opinion), why does it matter?"

[@evanhuizenga8626]

I don't think it is vacuous at all. Responding with "Do you think incest is wrong? Doesn't that mean you are actively harming innocent people who just want to love each other?" is a perfect rebuttal, against which there is no honest defense.

[@Yawnyaman]

Ah, I guess you’re not familiar with UK diversity law which protects both gay relationships and demands their promotion, while still banning incest ( in theory at least). My boss is obliged to uphold the Law so would justify his response on that basis. It’s certainly unthinking but hard to break down the emotional disgust many feel about seeming to persecute outsiders.

[@evanhuizenga8626]

@@Yawnyaman I am familiar with it, actually, but this issue has nothing to do with legality lol. Even if your boss is "legally required" to approve of homosexuality and disapprove of incest, that is morally meaningless and entirely external. "Legally obligated" opinions are the furthest from genuine that you can get.

[@Yawnyaman]

@@evanhuizenga8626 Oh yes, tell me about it….

[@KSA-VLOG]

But homosexuality isn’t a sin lmao

[@CookingWithJackDaniels]

When did the devs release this update?

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

Even if the Bible didn't list the practice of homosexuality as a sin, it still doesn't change the message of the gospel. The gospel is for everyone because God declared us all equally as sinners through the sin of one man (Adam). Through the righteousness of another man (Jesus) who took our punishment upon Himself God declares all that believe as righteous. We can become righteous when we realise we are sinners deserving of hell and the only redemption is by putting our trust in what Jesus did for us so as God can declare us as.righteous and forget our sin. I think a lot of people grossly misuse the gospel when they are concerned with a list of sins rather than the message of the gospel itself.

[@inchristalone25]

If the person is having lustful thoughts towards the same sex then yes it is. And then even if they fall in love with someone of the same sex it doesn't make it okay. You could argue incestual relationships are loving, does that make them okay? Just because someone loves someone of the same sex does not make marrying them and having sex with them okay. We love the sinner not the sin.

[@g7108]

@@inchristalone25Its fine to love whoever you want. Your sin is made-up by bronze-age beliefs based on fear of people who are different.

[@inchristalone25]

@@g7108 Love does not equal lust or romance. So yes it is fine to love anyone, but as soon as you have sex with someone outside the bounds of man and woman marriage you are definitely living in sin. It is not just 'I'm different" it is an abomination to have sex with your same sex. That's like having sex with yourself only worse you are committing adultery with someone of your same sex. Man and woman go together like a lock and key, man and a man is an abomination. Woman and woman is an abomination.

[@guitarizard]

You all invent your own god

[@matthewdavidlandberg91588]

I am not a bigot or a homophobe. But I am concerned that those who are under the spirit of homosexuality are being lied to.

[@Vopyr]

You literally wrote it: I am not a bigot or a homophobe, but I am a bigot and a homophobe. Lmao.

[@aaabbc379]

I am not anti-christian or anti-jesus. But I am concerned that those who are under the delusion of christianity are being lied to.

[@trithos7308]

I am not against Christians. I just thing Christians are brainwashed as kids to brainwash more kids and perpetuate a culture of abuse and hate.

[@imhoong]

@@Vopyr you didn't pay attention to the video it seems. you can disapprove of something whilst not being hateful, therefore not a bigot.

[@lancecjohnson]

Well then, you've just made a really good argument for why somebody should reject Christianity and its god. Is this secretly an atheism channel? If so, well done. The reasoning reminds me of how slave owners justified themselves. God sanctioned it, so to question it is to question God!

[@MikeWinger]

+Lance Johnson ???Are you sure you watched THIS video? Perhaps you are responding to something else

[@lancecjohnson]

Yes, I did, but I am being a bit sarcastic with my initial statement. I don't really think that you're doing an atheist/parody site. Unlike a lot of liberal Christians, I think that you genuinely do have the better argument that God is against homosexuality. However, that's one more good reason to completely reject the Christian god, not a reason to reject homosexuality. Surely you know that your religion is hemorrhaging members - much of them from the younger generations. One of the reasons cited is the attitude of the church toward gay people. What you might not realize is that the better of a case that you make for this, the more apostates you may be (ironically) creating.

[@lancecjohnson]

As for the bit about slave owners, their argument is exactly the same as yours. You say that those who support gay marriage and claim it to be Biblical are creating a God that one doesn't find in The Bible (thus creating their own god). This is the exact same argument that slave holders could level at abolitionists (and they did). The God of the Bible, whether Old or New Testament, is clearly in favor of slavery, and to suggest otherwise is entirely contrary to The Bible.

[@MikeWinger]

not even remotely. Please check out this video where I actually did a teaching about slavery and the Bible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/omPUZJmnoZJ1ors

[@lancecjohnson]

I'm aware of apologetic arguments that pretend like The Bible doesn't say what it clearly says. (Let me guess - you bring up indentured servitude?) You're doing the same thing that liberal Christians do when they say that The Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. For Pete's sakes, dude, there are instructions that say you can beat your slave so long as you don't beat him to death. There is no "context" that makes that anything less than horrific and barbaric.

[@jessicafoster1196]

If the shoe fits, wear it.

[@pwx13]

Mike Winger has guts to stand for truth, than to sit there and just be weak minded

[@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489]

@MaloTheYoshi That doesn't stand to logic. If someone robs someone else, it doesn't effect me, it's still a problem. Also that doesn't change the fact that it is sin.

[@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489]

@MaloTheYoshi God created sexuality and marriage as a reflection of Christ's love for the church and a way to display that truth, anything else is wrong. But this doesn't matter anyway, you're stating the kind of overstated arguments that hold no water when examined logically. If anything you said wasn't based on pride, falsehood, and thoughts that are endlessly common and debunked for the groundless and purposeful misinterpretations that they are, I would be an atheist. I don't your pide will let you see past this fact though (from logically examining your other comments). I will not respond again as I can not change the mind of someone who wants there to be no God (as is implicitly obvious in your previous comments).

[@leef_me8112]

@MaloTheYoshi Homosexuality causes a person to be taken to court for not baking a same-sex joined cake. Homosexuality causes school districts to want to teach about LBTQ when children are in school K through 3.

[@leef_me8112]

@MaloTheYoshi MaloTheYoshi, my reply is based on your assertion: >Homosexuality doesn't affect you in any way, as you're not gay. >And also, homosexuality is not causing the guy to go to court, >it's the guy's homophobic actions that got him to court. No, it is a law that says you can't discriminate against gays. >But if you won't make them a pizza because you're a KKK member, >of course, you're going to be called out for it. The cake business isn't KKK or affiliated, just doesn't want to do it based on religious principles. And based on Free Speech. Supreme Court disagreed with you on two separate cases, in two states. The guilty verdicts were overturned. >"Homosexuality causes school districts to want to teach about >LBTQ when children are in school K through 3." >...And that's wrong...why? We also teach children not to harm > others or steal...so...what now? The classes aren't about not hurting, but rather the sexual details. The children would miss out on reading, writing, math. The classes are not age appropriate for the students. >You're argument hinges on the assumption that homosexuality is >wrong. God says it is wrong; that is enough for me. If that is not enough for you, then there are also the studies on the bad effects on longevity of the union, sexual diseases that are more common and worse on the person's physical health, elevated drug use and poor mental health. You think have a strong idea of my arguments having never met me and based on two sentences I wrote. >Homosexuality doesn't affect you in any way, as you're not gay. Homosexuality affected me, because YOU, a person who promotes it, thinks you have the power to READ MINDS. And so YOU assert all manner of nonsense and assign these assertions to me. Perhaps you don't know how to use KZbin, or KZbin had a hiccup. But you don't give a benefit of the doubt when you assert: "For those who can't see whom I'm responding to, it's because they deleted their comment right as I was typing a response."

[@joe_mama_]

There is no logic in being anti gay lol

[@SBrown-ti8xe]

Tell me how the collective mental, physical, spiritual well being of society has no effect on me?

[@klinxium8627]

@@SBrown-ti8xe what?

[@inchristalone25]

You mean anti sexual immorality? Just like most people are with pedophilia and incest. You could argue incestual relationships are loving, does that make them okay? Just because someone loves someone of the same sex does not make marrying them and having sex with them okay. We love the sinner not the sin.

[@MrGentlebutfirm]

Super fine. No reason to believe in your God. There are better alternatives.

[@shadowlandstudios86]

Good luck with that.

[@damianwhite504]

You're right there.

[@ArmisHart]

Goes both ways. You coming here to attack Christianity is to be the very thing you hate so much.

[@guillermoelnino]

ok commie

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@ArmisHart Christianity is a choice.

[@Strawberry_shortcake732]

How much do you bet he’s in the closet

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

If he did a teaching on what the Bible says about witchcraft, does that.mean he is in the occult?

[@inchristalone25]

Listen to his story, he fully admits he was a bit confused as a kid because he played with girls, until he realized that doesn't mean you are gay, but if he did get that in his head his life could have taken a different turn as it is for many kids.

[@goebels99]

Mike has just declared himself equal with God. I guess it was just a matter of time.

[@unknowunknow2272]

The Rambling Loon when did he do this?

[@cathyhamlin3611]

Your sarcastic remark about Miike, tells me you don't have respect, his teaching is totally biblical, you're not rejecting him, ultimately you are rejecting God's disapproval of this lifestyle

[@goebels99]

@@cathyhamlin3611 Say what now? Surely Christianity has bigger concerns than homosexuality?

[@shadowlandstudios86]

@@goebels99 Who is this “Christianity“ you’re talking about? Or do you mean individual Christians? Certainly you don’t care about what Christians think, right? Or are you the only one who gets to care about a subject?