How to Rest Cast in D&D 2024 Player's Handbook!

[@40Found]

I'm just imagining a bunch of optimizers taking 24 hour long rests, adventuring every other day just to keep up all their buffs without spending resources.

[@0_Body]

It is called a 40-hour work week. Research suggests it is more optimal for actually being productive..

[@Spiceodog]

@@0_Bodyespecially if your occupation is murder hobo

[@bjornstahle4652]

@@0_Body So the 160 hour work month is a bad idea?

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

•coughcough• definitely havent done this in the 2014 or older versions •coughcough• (Using multiple super long duration super casts to ultra boost, and to max out goodberry stocks)

[@guamae]

Standard practice in my Dungeon of the Mad Mage campaign to take every other day off so the Divine Soul Sorcerer could cast Aid, Deathward, Darkvision, and Mage Armor; with a 16 hour duration, on everyone who needed it. (made easier because we use Spell Points) No hinky rules interpretations needed, just Extend Spell Metamagic.

[@tylarsaunders4303]

The irony that this video came out at 2am

[@chaselowell4567]

Go get your shleebzies good sir

[@augustus1138]

It was 10:00am here on the US east coast lol

[@chrisscott9564]

3pm for us in the UK. :o)

[@fadeleaf845]

@@chaselowell4567 only after placing my death wards

[@saintpaulsnail]

Rest casting interacting with elves' 4-hour rest requirements deserved at least a mention.

[@PackTactics]

I just made a general video. It's very easy to plan elves.

[@2099Spartan]

Reborn also only have to rest 4 hours ​@@PackTactics

[@lucasramey6427]

It's just take the normal rest time and add the proper amount of hours

[@AtelierGod]

And warforges 6 hour long rests also does the job.

[@ho8ojoe8]

I played a reborn so that I had 4 hour rests, so I could spend twice as cooking health potions. My DM went so you're just spending your non adventuring days doing nothing else? I'm like well yeah, I don't need to eat or anything, a working day in dnd is 8 hours so in a day I can work for 2 days essentially. He was lame and wouldn't let me.

[@mikecarson7769]

happy to see your review of the updated rules , plus . . . the image at 5:13 cracks me up

[@xiongray]

Metamagic Extended Spell is so good

[@tantalus_complex]

Are there any spells which Extended Spell put on this list for Rest Casting which weren't already there?

[@xiongray]

@tantalus_complex Extended Spell is so good with rest casting. All four spells in the video are already solid contenders. My personal favorite is rest casting Control Weather as an Elf to maintain Concentration through Long Rest Trance. Using an 8th & then a 9th, you can control 32 hours of weather in a day (two 16-hour durations). Another like it is Suggestion. Another strategy is rest casting extended Wind Walk with Air Bubble to travel to the Moon relatively safely. That with goodberry, and you're set. Another is Dream to torture someone's rest until they finally expire due to Exhaustion, or at least destroy their sleep patterns. Foresight being extended will feel like a free second 9th-level Spell Slot. At the very least, with Extended Spell, there is almost no say whether rest casting is or isn't allowed, the duration will overlap the rest (if cast before resting) and then for a good beginning portion of the day.

[@lorebiter]

Aww he's a sleepy little kobold.

[@WalkOnNick]

I had the same misunderstanding at first. The moment you cast a spell you are interrupting the rest so you are free to cast as many spells as you want. It's not costing an additional hour per spell because you are no longer resting you are in the liminal state of interruption.

[@Elkadetodd]

I immediately ruled that "each interruption" means any amount of roughly contiguous interruptions, as long as you haven't started resting again. If a wandering monster hits the guy on guard 4 times before he kills it, we don't extend the rest by 4 hours, only 1. This also means you can cast multiple spells with a 1hr extension.

[@chrisscott9564]

Thank you for this video. Actually didn't know how rest casting worked and thought it sounded really cheesy, also put me off playing something like a wizard because I thought I'd always be a slot down from mage armor. :D Very useful and succinct explanation on the old way (best way) and 2024 (no shade). ;o)

[@MatijaReby]

Its almost like it IS completely cheesy and exploits the rules for benefits you should spend your resources on.

[@morinzo444]

As a DM, I would quickly refuse any sort of rule abuse. This is a role playing game and I Value Roleplay and immersion a lot more that Mechanical Combat. If I want combats, I will play a boardgame or a video game. However, my players would not be caught in surprise because I always run a Game 0 to clarify expectations about the up coming campaign. I like that the creator of the video would at least ask ''Is rest casting allow?''

[@fadeleaf845]

Warlocks have it easier in some regards as they can learn several relevant buffs and only need a short rest to get their slots back.

[@guamae]

I realized that my party now has unlimited 5th level, Aid because of this 🤷

[@lyracian]

I hate rest casting and, unlike you, have never seen a table that allows it. I do agree thought that by RAW it works. I like how Pathfinder 2e has spells that last until your next daily preparation. That sorts out this whole mess of when you get your spell slots back and duration of anything you cast during the evening.

[@robbrown5158]

Me me me me me 0:26

[@kobitz9001]

I too have had to explain rest casting. A weirdly slept on mechanic.

[@MatijaReby]

For some reason I now feel compelled to get up in the middle of the night and shank my fellow PC in the gut with reckless abandon 15 minutes before the rest ends. After all, he'll still be magically healed at the end of those 15 minutes because even if this wakes him up, it goes back to being uninterrupted, just as Jeremy Crawford wanted. A safe place to buff for the next day as well as be able to beat the shit out of your team in this PvP game. Thanks! 😉

[@Billchu13]

This is why when I GM I usually have downtime and long rests between sessions and the adventure doesn't have long rests in the middle.

[@Billchu13]

As a player I warn my gm before playing this sort of build. Or just playing aid at all because it messes with combat maths

[@Setiweb]

I read that "per interruption" as such. You cast a spell, interruption starts. You keep casting spells, interruption continues. You stop casting spells, interruption ends. For example, a 20th level wizard with all 22 spells slots, rest casts all the slots near the very end of the 8 hour rest.. That's an interruption of 132 seconds with 1-action 6-second spells. Your interpretation would say now the wizard needs an additional 22 hours to complete a long rest for a total of 30 hours (somehow restarting the long rest isn't allowed here either). Yet if the same wizard burned through all the slots right before the long rest it still only takes 8 hours. Nope, i say that is one interruption lasting 132 seconds.

[@anaven27]

Yeah, I agree this has to be how the rules are intended. Like, take the Roll Initiative interruption for example. You get into a combat because you're ambushed during a rest and in that combat your team casts like 5 non-Cantrip spells each and takes a number of individual instances of damage. There's no possible way the intended rule is that you tally up each of those instances individually and have to take an extra 20 whole hours to earn a long rest. Similarly, rest casting shouldn't fall under the same envelope. I believe the intention is any interruption provides a 1 hour window that is added to the total rest time, then you can go ham for that one hour before additional extensions are applied. That's the reason the "1 hour of physical exertion" section exists.

[@sigiltech]

I would also argue that RAI is for the extra hour of rest to occur *after* the interruption. If you want to be a stickler about RAW, then rolling initiative, every casting of a levelled spell, and every instance of damage counts as a separate interruption, and the long rest must be resumed immediately after each interruption, as stated in the rules. Of course, the new DMG also states that Rules Are Not Physics, so who knows how *that* works...

[@reiyoka]

“You can resume a long rest **immediately** after an interruption.” “Casting **a** spell other than a cantrip.” Didn’t fly at my table. Either had to count it as 2 interruptions or cancel the rest because it didn’t resume immediately.

[@aimerw]

@@reiyoka The interruption hasn't ended, since you are still casting. Then you resume *immediately* after the interruption. Consider that combat is an undefined length of time too, but is one interruption - you could even cast multiple spells during one combat and de facto be one interruption. So, it would be an asinine reading to conclude each spell outside of combat would be an different interruption - it is all the same interruption. If someone is speaking, and I interrupt, is every word I then say a different interruption or a continuation of the same interruption? If the other person *immediately* slapped me after the interruption, does that mean it has to be between my first and second word, or can it be when the I stop speaking? We could have the other person interrupt my interruption by slapping me after some number of words but before I finished my sentence, but that would be during the interruption, not *immediately* after.

[@bradleyhurley6755]

Each spell is an interruption as once the spell ends that particular interruption is over and you need to go back to long resting.

[@richardrdotson]

Another great one

[@SmurfeyBlues]

Fine, it’s allowed at my table. Just tells me that my players are ready for a higher form of war! You rest cast, I rest ambush. You want a big fight early in the day, you got it! Remember you can’t take a long rest for 16 hours, prepare for a marathon! Seriously though this should be saved for specific circumstances in game, and should not be your default.

[@sofiarizzo7260]

It is not that strong. We're talking about a little higher max hp, a second chance before going down (on a single character) and some basic AC (that just needs a 1st level slot). You need to rest ambush to stop this? Not even all casters have those spells or need them: Mage Armor is useless if everyone has some kind of armor (it's a +1 for people with basic light armor); Wizard and Sorcerer don't have access to Aid (except Divine Sorcerer); only Cleric and Paladin have Death Ward. As a DM I don't understand this punitive behavior, you can just make the challenge during the day harder and that's more fun for everyone

[@sofiarizzo7260]

@TheGoldCrow "the cadence of Dungeons & Dragons is simple [...]" Why does it have to be this simple? What's the problem with rest casting? You have literally watched a video that explains why the rules permit this and rules from 2014 have been clarified with this edition. What does this have to do with speedrunning? This improves survivability, not speedy combat. As for DMs (I myself am a forever-DM), it seems petty to me to mirror what the players are doing or punishing a powerful ability when you have infinite options to make the game fun for everyone. If your players optimize with feats and you give the same to all your monsters when you could use interesting and powerful monsters/hordes it seems petty (or worse, lazy) to me.

[@sofiarizzo7260]

@@TheGoldCrow what imbalance can rest casting create? The level of difficulty a DM can create is boundless, you literally have no limit on what you can do. If your party optimizes and rest casts consistently, create a challenge that takes this into consideration. You can't rest cast without any remaining spell slots. If they rest too frequently, put a time pressure. As for mirroring, the player side and the DM side aren't the same. An example? CC spells, one of the strongest options in the game: monsters and players being under the effect of Hypnotic Pattern, Plant Growth, Wall of Force ecc ecc are two different things. If I ever were a player I wouldn't find fun being constantly incapacited half of the fights.

[@sofiarizzo7260]

@@TheGoldCrow if you need to mirror the players to make encounters interesting, you are probably failing and it can't not look like laziness to me: why would I want to fight myself? It can be fun once or twice, but it won't be long before it gets boring. You have every kind of monster possible, why in the world would you need to mirror optimization? Even if you want to optimize, you can do that by choosing monsters whose abilities match each other's. I doubt there is any real reason to mimic what players are doing

[@MatijaReby]

@@sofiarizzo7260 That's absolutely the most batshit crazy comment I've read, probably from a player that has absolutely no idea AND doesnt want to understand how frustrating it is for a DM when a player goes and interrupts every rest, exploration and downtime with their own interpretation of the rules in the goal of self-interest specifically, like in this specific video, AND THEN its the DM's problem to solve!? And OH BOY, when the DM retorts with "I'll do that too" you say "Well, that's not fair! It shouldn't be mirrored and symmetrical!" Do you have even a hint of comprehension how absolutely arrogant that is? After spending however many hours coming up with a story, NPCs, places of interest, statblocks wtc. I dont want to spend time coming up with bullshit combos to stop your whiny ass EVERY. SINGLE. SESSION. That's called freedom for creativity, not laziness.

[@RinViri]

Just in case it's an oversight, your patreon image at the end of the video lists the price in NOK, and while I appreciate it as a fellow Norwegian, I doubt most others will know how to convert that to their own currency off the top of their head.

[@danielbrintnall1188]

Elven divine soul sorcerer with extend spell approves of this video.

[@FireallyXTheories]

For some reason, I feel compelled to get up in the middle of the night and shank my fellow PC in the stomach with reckless abandon an arbitrary 15 minutes before the rest ends. Afterall, he'll still be magically healed at the end of those 15 minutes because even if this wakes him up, it goes back to being uninterrupted, just as Jeremy Crawford wanted. A safe place to buff for the next day, as well as beat the tar out of your team in this PvP game.

[@KuaEtus]

Sleepcasting 🐊

[@Corvid_Games]

I feel like “interruption” counts all of them as one interruption. If you cast a spell, then sleep a little, then cast a spell, that would be two interruptions. Caste 4 spells in a row would only be one.

[@aimerw]

"Yeah, it would be like-" "I have interrupted what you are saying" *Slaps the interrupter* That was an *immediate* slap after *one* interruption. It was not seven interruptions with a slap immediately after each.

[@lucamonticelli267]

Raw it says you can resume the rest "immediatly" after the interruption, so any cast in this manner counts as a different instance.

[@aimerw]

@@lucamonticelli267 The point being made is that the interruption hasn't ended, so you would still fulfil that condition once it had. To put it another way, let says you had someone blowing a horn really loud right next to while you were talking, and they blew that thing for a minute straight. You immediately resume talking after the interruption. Does that mean you stop talking for a mere instance of time and then carried on talking, or does that mean you stopped for a minute and then carried on talking? Most would say the latter because it is understood commonly that an interruption is not necessarily instantaneously resolved.

[@earthenkindquests]

Thank you for sharing another informative video that clarifies for so many of us.

[@krezon3138]

If each interuption adds an hour then combat mid rest could add many hour to the rest period. Everytime someontake damage, Or cast spells or roll intitavie. I think the first time an itneruption happens you can the cast as many spells as you want in that interruption period before resuming, which will only add 1 hour to the total rest time.

[@KaleidosXXI]

Combat itself is a sustained interruption until it ends, which means all the normal interruptions that occur during combat don't apply because you're not resting at the time.

[@Ahglock]

What I find funny about how tables frequently roll with rest casting is they are generally okay with this style, but if a warlock wants to cast hex on a mouse, kill it and then short rest they blow a gasket. And i'm like you get upset when the dude who made a pact with a fell being works the system, but not when the cleric of fluffy bunnies does? As an aside the 2024 rules are pretty close to how we did it, we basically went with no one really knows the exact minute their long rest is over so cast the spell an hour before its over.

[@fadeleaf845]

Heck the Warlock could roleplay sacrificing a creature ritually to trigger Dark One's Blessing

[@KaleidosXXI]

Most people who use critters with Warlocks aren't caring about Hex, they're caring about Dark One's Blessing (Because it's cheesy and the operative word "enemy" doesn't apply to non-combatants). There's literally nothing wrong with Hexing a target and killing it to hold concentration right before a short rest if you didn't already have it up earlier, the only hiccup is the party not being okay with casually murdering a passive entity for the sake of convenience which is a morality thing not a rules thing.

[@ToTheKneeProductions]

I feel like the idea here is flawed because what's stopping the long rest from automatically completing after 8 hours when you cast that spell? Like you wouldn't be interrupting the long rest since you've gone past the minimum eight hours you would just simply complete the long rest and then cast a spell, which you now can't get back. I feel like you are required to do that spell prior to the 8-hour mark. I don't think you can choose to sleep for 8 hours and 59 minutes and then wait for 1 minute after the spell to finish out 9 hours

[@aluando01]

But what if you just laid in bed for 3 hours and then had 5 hours and 59 minutes of sleep? Then you have at least 8 hours of downtime with no more than 2 hours of light activity, but no 6 hours of sleep, so even if you wanted to finish the rest, you cant. After interruption, you don't need to sleep additional hour, only rest, so sleeping for the last needed minute finishes the 9 hours long rest even if you wanted to rule it that long rest ends automatically after the shortest possible time.

[@RaethFennec]

The long rest rules in 2014 and 2024 only establish a minimum length, but never a maximum. Quote, "A Long Rest is a period of extended downtime - at least 8 hours", "you sleep for at least 6 hours and perform no more than 2 hours of light activity". Each interruption (each spell cast) adds 1 hour to the long rest, but it does not state that you must rest for 1 hour after the interruption. Only that, "You can resume a Long Rest immediately after an interruption. If you do so, the rest requires 1 additional hour per interruption to finish." One possible interpretation of this is that if your party adventures for 8 hours, they can then stop adventuring and begin up to a 16-hour long rest. This is, per the rules, entirely reasonable. This would account for up to 8 additional spells to be cast by the following start of your 8-hour adventuring day, as included interruptions to the Long Rest. This is, of course, pushing things and may only be viable in dungeon-esque situations without travel or other down time. But, my real play experience suggests that the average number of rest casts (I allow them in my games) is 4-5 at most. Even that doesn't always happen reliably. So realistically, this would suggest 12-13 hours rest periods. This allows 3-4 hours of travel and down time. Now, many adventures will limit that even further. But it shows that it's realistic to happen, even if it won't cover everything white room optimization proposes. Another possible interpretation, however, is that the interruption adds the additional hour AT THE TIME of the interruption, regardless of the duration already rested. So whatever REMAINS of the Long Rest gets +1 hour. Meaning even if you rest for 12:59, cast 5 spells, congratulations, you're resting another 5 hours now, and instead of setting out at daybreak, it's heading to noon, and all those 8-hour spells only have 3 hours left. I suspect this is PROBABLY what they intended. But they did not write it in such a way as to promote this reading. So it is reasonable, but less supported than the former. You should also consider that rest casting has pros and cons. Some quick pros are, more player power, incentivizes support spells, lowers lethality if players use it optimally. Some cons are, increases complexity, widens martial/caster divide, and it can incentivize conserving spell slots, leading to - ironically - an increase in lethality if players use it sub-optimally.

[@williamgordon5443]

@@RaethFennec The problem with your interpretation of starting your next long rest immediately after an 8-hour adventuring day is that the new rules say that you have to wait 16 hours to start your next long rest once you finish a long rest. If you're taking a 16 hour long rest, that would mean that your next long rest would start 32 hours after your last one started. If you take a 12-13 hour long rest, then your next long rest is 28-29 hours after your last long rest started. This is slightly different then the 2014 rules that said you can benefit from one long rest in a 24-hour period (which I would assume meant that they have to end 24 hours apart but the wording is a little weird), which meant that you could start your long rest early and end after the 24hour time frame (which would benefit from the part of the rule that says "at least 8 hours").

[@RaethFennec]

@@williamgordon5443 Ah, that's very true. You couldn't do that back to back. It would work for one day! But then the next day, you'd have to delay. :P Or otherwise reduce your long rest to just 8 hours per day to make it repeatable. Otherwise, each day is pushed back further and further. Even by an hour or two, that's something to be mindful of in a campaign. I had thought it said you couldn't BENEFIT from a long rest until 16 hours later, but it indeed says you can't START one until then.

[@otakusatanist]

might be reading into it too much, but it says that casting a spell interrupts the rest. when you're not resting, what's stopping you from casting more spells before resuming the rest and only sleeping one hour more as a result?

[@sofiarizzo7260]

It says that you "immediately" resume a long rest, so every spell is an instantaneous interruption that adds 1 hour of sleep needed. If you cast multiple spells without "resuming" the long rest between each of them I assume it would just cancel the long rest. Of course it's not consistent with the fact that during combat you could cast more spells and it would count as a single interruption, but I would say it works like that RAW

[@otakusatanist]

@@sofiarizzo7260 riiiight, i missed that! thanks!

[@charlesjohnson4758]

I would like to also submit Foresight as an excellent candidate for test casting. The chance to have foresight running and then still cast shapechange… powerful.

[@ryanscanlon2151]

Still a good strat for a short sleeping character, elf master race lol. But anyone that has a 4 hour rest can do plenty without screwing up the party and puts a nice little limiter on how much rest casting you can do. Same with the short sleeper sorlock, you can do 4 hours of making extra sorcery points without disrupting the adventuring day which feels pretty good to me

[@AtelierGod]

I tend to only use Goodberry style rest casting, it’s easier to manage.

[@beoriginal1205]

Currently at a table using new phb and such, im an artificer so it works a lil only but that's ok, anyways, when i was reading over the crafting rules regarding creating magic items and other such normal items nonmagical or not, and brought it over to my dm about whether or not they had read it (i also brought up scroll scribing) and we talked for a little bit before them coming to the conclusion that we will not be able to use those new crafting rules (kind of lame) under the pretense that "Your characters wouldn't know how to do that" which is sorta wonked but not a huge deal since i can make magic items anyways, but we have a wizard who WOULD benefit from these things, and after seeing this about rest casting im sure they'd be peeved about this as well

[@googloocraft12]

Wait what, how did your DM come to the conclusion that an Artificer (the engineer of dnd) wouldn’t know how to craft???

[@banny288]

Digimon Digimon do a Digimon

[@animationlover219]

It feels like a long time since there were any videos that weren’t focused on 2024 content. 😢

[@glitchking666]

How does interact with elves trance ability ir the warfoged sentry's reat ability?

[@pedrostormrage]

1:28 "You are not getting more slots by doing this. You're using slots from yesterday to buff today" I think that's the main argument in favor of rest casting, since it emphasizes you're creating infinite resources. That being said, it can definitely makes DMs more wary of giving the party downtime.

[@PjotrFrank]

What about sorcerer’s metamagic and rest casting? Can you do extended spell mage armor before resting with the new rules?

[@BrunoHenrique-gi1wd]

4:20 i'd argue, that if 8 hours have elapsed uninterrupted, you finish your long rest... Even tho, that is not what is writen. On the other hand, casting 10 spells in one minute, and then napping for another 65 minutes sounds like a single interruption to me, thus only needs one extra hour.

[@kedraroth]

How do you interrupt your long rest?

[@thecrow-lective7469]

How does rest casting work with elves needing only 4 hours of rest? Could they rest cast and not increase the total party rest time?

[@nschoenwald]

You should read the new DMG. This clearly falls under exploiting the spirit of the rules via the letter of the rules and you shouldn't do this in your group unless all players and the DM have a very weird take on what a "rest" looks like.

[@PackTactics]

I have read it. It doesn't apply to me because 1. We are not playing the game together and 2. It is approved by the developer of the game 1:02 It's not weird at all. You have 6 hours of actual sleep and 2 hours of light activity.

[@DJcs187]

It's still incredibly silly from an objective point of view. I'm minmaxing a lot​, both in life generally and in D&D and even to me, this is the same level of exploitative nonsense as casting heals on opportunity attacks with warcaster or using two weapon fighting with two switched weapons in mainhand and a shield in the other.

[@PackTactics]

@@DJcs187 I understand the healing interaction but what I don't understand is how you think rest casting or switching weapons is an exploit when they're both approved by the rules and Jeremy Crawford himself. These 2 interactions are extremely tame and rest casting factually got nerfed where you're most likely just casting 1 spell like mage armor or aid. You're not getting more spells slots from doing this, you're using a previous slot. Do you think Goodberries lasting 24 hours is an exploit? No.

[@aimerw]

@@DJcs187 Getting a sudden burst of all your spell slots back from one second to the next after an specifically defined time is not silly? It is game mechanics, if this was even attempting to not be silly it would even be tied to some phenomenon (like an eclipse), or the spell slots would return slowly over time (perhaps just while sleeping). But 5e went simple, and simple is as simple does you get rest casting. The mechanics even went beyond plain simple to specifically include rest casting - they could have just said a long rest must be restarted if any spells are cast, rather than the more complex add an hour.

[@DJcs187]

@@PackTactics I didn't call it an exploit, but exploitative nonsense, but calling something an exploit and it being possible within the ruleset is not mutually exclusive. Look up the actual meaning of the word. Anything that needs thorough explaining of how, "if you do X in a very specific way and pay attention to Y, it actually works a specific way if you read the rules carefully and JC has confirmed this is the case" to give you an advantage, is mostly a detriment for the group and the DM in order to help the power games gain an edge. And the smaller the benefit the sillier the fact that it's something that a player feels the need to discuss and try to make happen with his group, so you considering both of these "tame" makes them even worse in my book.

[@margaretmyklebust2577]

Gator snoring.. meme meme meme 😴😂

[@James-kv3ll]

I feel like most reasonable DMs would ban this simply because it makes casters even more powerful than they already are. I know I would. But I’d also make the buffing spells rituals to avoid this bs being desirable anyway.

[@PackTactics]

Then most of my DMs are unreasonable according to you. Nice.

[@James-kv3ll]

@ A reasonable DM acts in the best interest of the entire table, not just the lone optimizer. Sometimes that means letting the optimizer mess with the game’s balance, but most of the time it means preventing it. It’s a social cooperative game, a single player shouldn’t be able to take control by using the rules like that. That’s not reasonable.

[@PackTactics]

@@James-kv3ll That's not what you said the first time, but I agree. That's why I said "Talk to your table" at the end of the video. I have and everyone is fine with rest casting. That is 100% reasonable. You are making assumptions of my games.

[@James-kv3ll]

@ Everyone knows you roll with a table of optimizers. No assumptions here. But that means you don’t have a normal DM or a normal table. If someone watches this video and goes to a normal table to try this and the DM says no they’re gonna think the DM is unreasonable. But a reasonable DM wouldn’t allow this at most tables because not everyone is optimizing to that degree. It’s a ridiculous expectation. That’s what I meant. A DM that bans this is reasonable despite it being RAW. That doesn’t mean DMs who allow it are unreasonable though.

[@PackTactics]

@@James-kv3ll I just joined a normal table not too long ago and they allowed it. Player and DM are fine waiting an extra hour for aid. Again, you're making assumptions of my games. No. It's fine for the player to ask the table, (Both DM and players) if rest casting is allowed. If it isn't then that's fine. Tables have different rules. Asking a mechanical question is not a ridiculous expectation in the communication game. You build trust by asking questions and being transparent with your intentions. Your last 2 sentences are fine. I wish you opened with that instead of "most reasonable DMs would ban this simply because it makes casters even more powerful than they already are.". Which is just factually not true. You're using spell slots from the previous day, which means you would have to conserve slots from the previous day. Most of the time due to the nerf it's one spell like for example mage armor or aid. This is incredibly tame from what it was before.

[@shirak8]

How does this work with elves? Do they still need to wait 8 hours or are they done in 4?

[@WarpKL]

You can rest for 8 hours and 1 minutes then do 59 minutes of walking and talking and still rest cast 1 spell for a total of 9 hours rest.

[@Avabees]

Id feel kinda bad trying to pull this on my non metagaming party members and dm ^^" maybe in a very niche scenario

[@AutumnReel4444]

I believe that your interpretation of this interaction is out of wack. I think it is better than you are saying it is, while the sleep schedule stuff is an instant killer in the other direction. Weird changes.

[@Bryito]

Would an Elf or something similar to the trance feature help this at all?

[@TheSqoad]

This level of toying with the rules would just frustrate me as a player, and moreso as a DM. I already don't like having to predict the future whenever I plan my prepared spells, and having to rules lawyer the DM whenever I Long Rest just to optimise it would just add to that. And as a DM I'd blow a gasket if a player tried to draw out a Long Rest just for that. I'd instead offer a simpler alternative. Banked spells. Whenever a caster Long Rests, they can "bank" any number of UNUSED spell slots whose levelled value equals their Proficiency Bonus. So at Level 5 you could bank a 3rd-level spell, or a 2nd and 1st-level spell, or three 1st-level spells. You can bank them until you perform another Long Rest. You lose any banked spell you did not use when you complete another Long Rest, and you bank new spells. Banked spells can only be cast at the level they were banked as. So if you bank a 2nd-level Magic MIssile, it cannot be upcast or downcast. Warlocks would probably be limited to half their max Pact slots for this. Maybe this is a good idea?

[@umpatte0]

The sleep schedule messing around is even worse than you comment. Day 1, start long rest at 10pm. Interupt long rest by 1 hour. 7am long rest ends. 16 hours later you can start your next long rest. 11pm is the earliest you can start a long rest and again benefit. Day 2, start long rest at 11pm. Interupt long rest by 1 hour. 8am long rest ends. 16 hours later is 12pm. repeat. Your sleep schedule gets drastically messed up by interupts to long rests. The only way to correct this is to skip taking a long rest on a day and suffer the exhaustion effects. You have no option of just going to bed an hour early. They really needed to say you can start your long rest 14 or 15 hours later. It's very annoying, kobold!

[@ericrbacher9371]

rest casting an upcast of hunters mark is better than nothing lol

[@FarothFuin]

I always explain to people who argue that is cheating like this: Im not cheating, because to rest cast, you have to keep a spellslot from the past day without using it, so you sacrificed a slot from the past day, not using it, or just were lucky enough to keep such slot. If in the adventuri g day you end up using all your slots, then you cant restcast. Is simple. Saying that is cheating is the same that call cheater the fighter who uses second wind before a short rest or a warlock who cast anything before a short rest. Is a resource. And dnd is a 'resources game'

[@aimerw]

Or cast a Glyph of Warding, a Wall of Stone, or basically any other long lasting effect that does not end when you rest.

[@Dunybrook]

Yeah, I don't like this. The developers are a bit nuts if they intended this. You always have the right to say no to obvious exploits as a DM.

[@dabeef2112]

In my experience, the only rest casting I've ever seen allowed is with spells with 24 hour durations like Goodberry. Not everyone plays at tables full of power gamers and rules lawyers. Most don't.

[@trentoncampbell1652]

Could you not have a buddy attack you, roll initiative, interrupting the long rest, cast a few spells in combat, then end combat, ending the interruption, and continue long resting with only a 1 hour penalty?

[@PackTactics]

You could RAW. Sure. But that's not intended. I didn't want to bring it up.

[@nschoenwald]

The Dungeon Master's Guide specificially calls stuff like this out as exploiting the rules and something DMs should not allow in their games.

[@pandanielxd]

@@PackTactics Wrong, you have to immediately continue the rest after initiative is rolled, you cannot wait until combat is over

[@GrimHeaperThe]

Elf gaming? Elf gaming.

[@BrunoHenrique-gi1wd]

rest must be =>8 hours, =>16 hours must pass between rests. Unless the whole party is Keen Minded and going nite-nite a the right time, DOWN TO THE SECOND, eventualy the party becomes a group of night owls... i refuse to believe D&D is not poorly writen on purpose to bait engagement lol

[@jake120007]

yeah, not allowing it at my table, the hour stipulation was for a walk, the other triggers are stand alone, casting any spell interrupts your rest, it does not need to be an hour

[@laterbot]

Rest casting was utter bullshit, casting in your sleep, or casting a spell and then magically the spellslots is immediately back is horrible flavour

[@pandanielxd]

you arent casting in your sleep. you realize a long rest is not just sleep right? read the rules

[@laterbot]

@pandanielxd I know the rules very well, but it's still like, rather than resting to charge the battery of your spells you rest for 7hrs59min and then cast a spell and the spellslot immediately comes back because you've been resting It's ridiculous, after using a spellslot you need 8 hours of rest to regain it, not just it comes back magically at the end of a long rest It's a classic example of using the rules as some sort of law of the universe instead of representations of a logical world which the rules also explicitly say not to do

[@RupertFoulmouth]

I appreciate your content and effort in making videos but as I do not have any intention of buying the 2024 books, i am respectfully dropping my subscription.

[@kenlove9186]

The long rest should complete at 8 uninterrupted hours. Meaning you need to cast your spells at or before 7:59 then rest one extra hour for a total of 9 hours

[@Yutoe]

Lets give everyone Aids

[@RaethFennec]

I hope you slept a good 9 hours before waking up to post this! :P Rest Casting 2.0 is much more balanced. It pretty safely allows for rest casting a single spell, maybe two at most in realistic adventuring scenarios. A Mage Armor or two, a Gift of Alacrity on your controller or striker, Aid on your front-liners. Having all of that on everyone, all the time, is a little bit wild, to be honest! (I allow it at my current table, but it's a high-lethality campaign. If it were medium-lethality or less, I probably wouldn't.)

[@Cruzz999]

Doesn't this make coffee lock trivially easy again? You can start a long rest, cast a spell, sleep for eight hours, be right as rain, and just not finish the long rest, keeping all your extra spell slots from the normal sorc point -> spell slot, pact magic to sorc point, sorc point to spell slot, short rest for more pact magic, etc. While Xanathar's says you get exhaustion if you go without a long rest, it mentions this specifically in a section about going without sleep, which you wouldn't be doing.

[@dirkmagilicuddy5136]

Rest casting is poor form; a cheesey way to circumvent the rules.

[@FallenFellFromGlory]

They could have changed it, they didnt. It's intentional and your feelings are irrelevant.

[@smbsmw1111]

Can't be any more incorrect, my feelings, and feelings of the rest of the table, is the only important thing in the game, it's not a competition. Ppl like you give this community a bad rep.

[@andrewpeli9019]

I don't allow rest casting at my table, because it only widens the gaps between the power of martials and casters and more than half my players enjoy unoptimized builds. But at a table full of optimizers, it's par for the course. I tend to agree with this poster, that it falls within that "poor interpretation of the rules" clause. But there is a table for anything. In the end, talk to your DM.

[@FallenFellFromGlory]

@@smbsmw1111 Your feelings are completely irrelevant to the dicussion. Your table can houserule and homebrew to their heart's content- it's a game of make believe- but at that point you're not playing d&d. People like you give humanity a bad reputation, learn to read.

[@FallenFellFromGlory]

@@andrewpeli9019 If you're worried about the martial caster divide then maybe buff the martials??? Regardless, it's irrelevant to discuss house rules and homebrew in the context of raw and rai.

[@Jason-jl8hs]

I wouldn't allow this as on pg 19 of the DMG, "Rules Rely on Good-Faith Interpretation." This does not seem to be in good faith. Just my 2 cents for what they are worth.

[@PackTactics]

If you read that pg 19 properly then you would know that doesn't apply to this video or what I said.

[@kedraroth]

And you are correct.

[@LyleAshbaugh]

My DM doesn’t allow rest casting

[@joshbone9888]

At my table i half allow it, in that any spells you cast after the halfway point on the long rest dont come back. But before that its ok So example, someone rests 4 hrs, wakes up to do watch, casts mage armor, does watch for 2 hrs then rests another 2. They get the spell slot back at the end and have mage armor for 4 hrs next day. While you can argue that rar you can get spell slots back after 1 min, i just dont like that narratively

[@warbilby]

Rest casting is a mechanical abuse made on misinterpretation of the 2014 rules. The wording "at least 1 hour of walking, fighting, casting spells, or similar adventuring activity" was not 1 hour of each activity but 1 hour of just walking, any fighting, any casting of spells, any other adventuring activity. RAW was easily misinterpreted so you could argue that but RAI you couldn't rest cast. At least that was the original intention when the book was made. They describe spell cast as such in the same book "Manipulating the fabric of magic and channeling its energy into even a simple spell is physically and mentally taxing, and higher--level spells are even more so." That shows that casting any leveled spell is not light activity. Now my point is mute since Jeremy Crawford changed it and I have no clue why he did but he's made dumb rule changes in the past like Paladins couldn't smite with their fists. Anyway this isn't a knock at the video, it's just clarifying that 2014 rules were ambiguous in their wording but it was never intended as a strat to be used

[@pandanielxd]

"Misinterpretation of the 2014 rules" lmfao, get of your high horse. The rules mentioned a "period" of x and even the devs clarified the correct interpretation was 1 hour of any.

[@DojoBelok]

This is obviously exploiting.

[@PackTactics]

Even when it's approved by the devs?

[@DojoBelok]

An unclear tweet from nine years ago doesn't really read as approving IMO. The only way I could see Mage Armor working like this is via Sorcerer Extended Spell cast before the long rest.

[@PackTactics]

@@DojoBelok It's an extremely clear tweet. If someone cast rope trick in the middle of the night while staying watch over the camp to avoid an encounter, you would let them get the long rest even though they cast a leveled spell in the long rest. That's not an exploit.