How To save $1000 off your electric bill using DIY Solar

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[@Nic7320]

tell your graphics editor mW is milliwatt. MW is megawatt.

[@gf6368]

it must be someone from the iPhone generation

[@Nic7320]

@@gf6368 -- or the iDon'tknow generation?

[@quark31]

@@Nic7320 lmao :-D :-D :-D

[@wesellanycar2154]

Thank god i thought it was just me .... really annoying when you can't get the basics right

[@harrypehkonen]

You beat me to it. I'm 13 seconds into the video. Also considering a tangential rant on "mcg" (yuck!) over ug for microgram.

[@JohnTurner313]

I've watched a LOT of homesteading electrical and solar videos, and read a LOT of books. This is the clearest explanation of wtf is going on I have ever seen. Thank you!

[@Chuck-e7d]

I agree 💯

[@williamhickey3721]

SCE has changed it's time of use plans effective July 26 2019. New prime times are 4-9pm or 5-8pm. Customers that are currently enrolled in a TOU plan experience no change and are grandfathered in their existing plan. Thanks Jehu for another great video just wanted to share this fyi. I was inspired to go look at the rate schedules at SCE after watching your previous videos and looking at my bill.

[@douglascampbell9809]

You may want to add an exhaust fan to your inverter box with a draw tube that is at the top of the box. That way you can get more of the hot air out of the box. Ideally you would have an exhaust on the top maybe think about a U shaped pipe that faces down so rain water will not be a problem.

[@peterad1529]

another great video, it's something Ive been mulling for a while bit never could get the math to work out. I love the diy approach.

[@techelectricfuture3094]

Its better to extract heat (with the fan) and have a cool air vent when you have one fan. When thats the case, baffling becomes especially important to ensure the integrity of the cool and exhaust air columns... to prevent recirculation of exhaust to intake and/or leakage of intake to exhaust.

[@jdressu]

An awesome video! I love to learn, so, i love it when the people that actually make the videos don't assume that everyone knows everything about the said subject of the video and actually go to the trouble of explaining things. It's actually really really good. Jehu, thank you for your awesome content! Keep it up, we love it!

[@peterxyz3541]

Thank god!!! Finally, some one explaining the box in a way I can understand. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼❤️

[@simio1337]

6:26 I actually think it's better if you use the fan as an Extractor instead of pusher, this way it creates a negative pressure and is efficient and sucking the hot air out while on the other side the cooler outside air goes in. All computers do this. (Basically Swap fan with the left vent, and flip the fan upside down, done).

[@Marco-dr5ho]

true

[@ayyadew]

Yess

[@ronaldharris6569]

Kiss solutions usually work.elevating the panels so there is airgap above the roof helps a lot also

[@biogreenz6613]

Yep, or one on each side

[@sidbmw]

Actually, negative pressure is less ideal compared to positive pressure as negative pressure = pulling in air from any holes, thus you get dust buildup inside. Same thing with computers, positive pressure > negative pressure. No pressure is the best scenario however.

[@johnwilkinson6542]

Heat needs to vent out the top not bottom, maybe try old dryer vent on side near top of box with a screen

[@nismo4x4n]

yeah a hole on the side near the top with a cover 90* and from the front to stop water should be fine and could probably even just be passive.

[@duke_of_oz]

High pressure next to low pressure. You'd think he'd figure out the shortcircut :)

[@rajeshviswanathan2764]

Also the hot air coming out the bottom seems too close to the intake and it may just recirculate the hot air back in. Out the top would be better. A fan to push out would help as well.

[@KaesOner]

You have to remember this guy is someone with no education who thinks hes smarter than he really is. He really has no idea.. but his content is entertaining

[@bigwetrobot]

The bottom would still work if he sealed everything in there better than with cardboard and a little box tape, but also partitioned the air coming out the bottom to not just swirl back into the intake like it will now.. Or some portion of it anyway.

[@asheriii]

Excellent & simple to follow breakdown of grid tie systems! So glad I found this channel.

[@markplain2555]

jehu, I must tell you, your simplicity and animation on explaining how the power supply works with the various phases, etc is simply fantastic. Thanks man

[@samvalentine3206]

Agreed wholeheartedly!

[@Nic7320]

Agreed. As an electrical engineer, I agree his illustrations were pretty good!

[@Corter]

Loved the illustrations, really beautiful! Thanks as always for the inspiration, been watching for years and just got my first portable system up and running thanks to your vids - been making our videos and running the business with 100% solar power for three weeks now! Thanks Jehu :)

[@jehugarcia]

Living the dream

[@NicholasHoggan]

Thank you for putting out these videos and links. I've been watching for about a month and have been able to learn a lot more than I imagined.

[@buddinghero]

Dude, I love your channel and what you're doing! Keep at it, this is a great resource for people

[@metalorn]

Great video jehu. Did you mix high drain and low drain batteries on your power wall?

[@soli3605]

"Stop being a part of the problem and become a part of the solution" Love the ideology, like yourself I'm a avid problem solver, video was great! Can't wait to have my own solar set up!

[@donm575]

Thanks for the video! I just found your channel today and have watched a bunch already. I'm looking forward to trying some of the easier battery packs first then work my way to a solar roof top system! Thanks again and keep up the good work!!!

[@mortyrickerson6322]

I enjoy this layout of you teaching with the visual drawings. Thank you Jehu i truly appreciate what youre doing on this channel spreading your knowledge. Beginner here hoping to live freely one day

[@rustnrot]

Exceptionally well done! In my area, if you generate more than you use, i.e. put energy back on the grid you will be charged for that electricity the same as if you were consuming it. Unless they change out the meter to a different type which keeps track of what is coming in and what is going out. Which, obviously, they won't do unless you jump thru the permit hassle. Therefore, I just learned I need to measure what my base (retired live at home) use is and generate exactly that much! Stealth solar here I come!!

[@MrSummitville]

Research ... Net-Zero Grid-Tie Inverter !

[@brianneal9204]

Thank you Jehu for your continued effort to help and educate us on Solar power and electric vehicles.

[@B33SON1]

Very interested to see how your batteries get integrated. Great work jehu!

[@donsturm6366]

Jehu this video is absolutely awesome! I am a Master Electrician and I cannot think of a time in my life when someone explained and illustrated the grid and solar integration in an easy to understand way. Yes there is a lot of other 3 phase stuff involved but that is for the advanced class and for the most part the average user does not ever need to be concerned or knowledgeable about that. I cannot for the life of me figure out what 39 people would have a beef about to thumbs down!!! How do I Gold Star this baby? As always I love your stuff and the ride..... wishing you much success Jehu and I look forward to meeting you 1 day, I’m just over the state line in Vegas.

[@xXdRaGoNrRiDdErXx]

As a master electrician you would know shoving power into the grid without safety disconnects is very dangerous, since those same power invertors that decrease high grid power can also work in reverse. When a service worker is working on a line that they think is dead his solar system could make that line live, and kill the worker.

[@donsturm6366]

Do you actually watch his videos or are you just a troll. He is always about safety and he just didn’t address it in this particular video.

[@jehugarcia]

Dude this guy thinks my little inverter is capable of energizing the grid and killing a linemen...... he is either trolling or missing part of his brain

[@NicholasLittlejohn]

Also check your local electric and gas, water utility rebates!

[@MaximMaximov]

whatabout Grid tie 2 gen invertor with limiter? or MPP all in one?

[@jeffreydubinsky6718]

This may be in your top 10 of all the videos you've produced!

[@Steven-uc2kt]

Hey Buddy- love the content!!! Loved it so much I tried the set up myself but I having issues.... not sure where I went wrong?? Two inverters down and still can’t get it to work.... can you help me troubleshoot? 1st one we did plug it in with power but the second we didn’t and it still went error and burned out....

[@BoDiesel]

I love watching these videos cause I can learn more. I was able to install my own solar for cheap. Little less than $1 per watt. But I'm trying to learn how to do the battery back up as all that stuff I have yet to learn. But I have 16,000 watts of solar on microinverters. Can run dual air conditioners on a big house, pool, spa, well, shop and driving 30,000 electric a year while staying even with the utility.

[@mohammedelbaraka4202]

Thank you jehu for your effort!!

[@SunilPrabhu-AKIRA]

the air flow duct can be modified with the exit gases to be put on top, because hot gases rises it is tough for the hot gases to come down, hence if the exit is on top for hot gases you will get better thermals management

[@chouckham]

Loved this new video and the style of your animations. Did you do that yourself, what did you use? Very effective for the explanations!

[@Kay-dx8vm]

This is something that I would like to follow. Thank you for sharing the video

[@SySaeZ]

sir jehu.. i love to watch your vids and inspire me more.. i wonder is your battery case for power wall availble?here on philippines?

[@mondotv4216]

Some other important parts to a grid tie inverter that weren’t mentioned. A grid tie inverter must automatically switch off when it doesn’t sense mains otherwise you risk electrocuting linesmen working on lines in a blackout. There didn’t appear to be an isolation switch between the solar system DC and inverter which is normally required by law. It might only be a low voltage system so it’s probably OK but Jehu knows what he’s doing. The point is, if you don’t, don’t even attempt to do it yourself. I wouldn’t be advising anyone to DIY their solar as what Jehu did there definitely does not translate to a typical HV DC array (say 5 kW) with a typical grid tie inverter with 300 - 400V DC input. I do know what I’m doing but even if I did all the wiring myself I’d still pay a licensed electrician to inspect it and do the final connections to the board. In Australia, with the generous solar rebate scheme we have here, it simply wouldn’t pay to do it yourself. For the same money Jehu spent I could get a 3kW array installed.

[@Alucardbsm]

YES THIS! A shutoff is extremely important and you can KILL someone if you don't have one! Pay a professional and please don't do this yourself. Even a small amount of voltage will backfeed to the transformer and the voltage will go to primary voltage, it can be 13800 volts or more. That will kill someone working on a downed line. Unlike a generator, a solar panel will always push voltage whenever there is sun.

[@MrSummitville]

@@Alucardbsm Where is your proof this GTI can beak-feed a dead GRID? Oh, thats right, you have no proof ...

[@jgrant5255]

Very inspiring video. I appreciate the fact that you have retired parents living with you! Your work shop area reminds me of the Most international space station. Your ladder at the end of the video was really different.

[@ceciliopadilla4297]

What do you think about the all in one system and which one you recommend. Thank you.

[@larryteslaspacexboringlawr739]

thank you for educational video, what art/animation program did you use?

[@alexbreighner4102]

I have a 3Kw system with enphase micro inverters. Can I add a DIY grid tie inverter and panels setup to my current system or would I need to add more of the same as I have?

[@SirWrender]

This is a great video. Those animations were very informative and interesting!

[@ronwatkins5775]

I bought 4 of the headway 38120 cells to try out a small little grid-tie setup. Also got a 300W grid tie inverter, similar (but smaller) than yours. Wondering what type of BMS and charge controller I would need for these... Suggestions?

[@miguelcannegieter4813]

Hey big bro luv the content it's very educationanl and motivational keep doing you! Thank you. Question tho have you heard of the Yinlong LTO66160H 40Ah 2.3V cells if so how do they compare With the Headway 38120 HP 3.2v 8ah Lithium ?

[@jasonclubb1601]

Hey Jehu, where did you get the 240v inverter. I would like to buy one, but cannot find one like the one you switched to in this video. Thank you

[@terryhalsteadgamer]

Thank you for all your work Jehu. Excellent educational videos and well made too! As always. Keep up the good work :D

[@ferky123]

I was wondering if you could do a video about the connector buss bars.

[@ThisRandomUsername]

I know you'll probably not see this comment, but that fan on your inverter box may have issues running in that orientation. The shaft gets dry at the top, and will seize up. Certain fans have bearings that don't suffer with this issue because they've got grooves which move oil up the shaft when it's running. It'll probably be okay for a while, just maybe keep an eye on it and replace the fan when it gets noisy.

[@richardlinked8797]

Ones again great information, I just have one quick question, I bought two of the Uni-Solar PVL-136 Power Bond PVL 136 Watt 24 Volt 216" x 15.5" inches. Flexible Solar Panel. Easiest to Install Peel & Stick. and hook them in series to get 48v the problem is my meter and inverter (what's left of it) reads 84.6 volts, any ideas? Thanks

[@PaperAirplaneFactory]

Thank you so much for following up on your install! Amazing!

[@recondelta2786]

I am very interested in doing a solar generator like you did with the pelican case! What all do I need?

[@danksmokaz]

maan I love this content. I like that u make packs...lithium titanite ? avove 14 percent efficiency. not bad with today's mono panels. cheers samba dude

[@javieruriel]

what are those panels at at the end of your video? do you have a website i am amazed that you do that by yourself, where can i start can you teach me?

[@francop2666]

Are there any issues when stacking batteries? Shortages? Contacts touching?

[@omarfernandez8576]

love this topic brother, waiting on your to review of the Grid tied inverter...

[@tezzasbigbuz3933]

Do you feel the air flow out of the left one ?

[@PentaxLife]

Great video we are doing our part we have 2880w on our home that is our 5th wheel .

[@BeauMcKee]

Thanks for the video! IMO, if you only have one fan, youre better off using it to pull air OUT so its pulling cool air in passively into the box underneath the inverter (and put the fan on the opposing side and flip the fan direction). But as someone has said below, two active fans - one pulling and another pushing out will work much better and increase the life expectancy of your driver

[@biogreenz6613]

Maybe for the fan situation put a diy tunnel going from exit of gti to bottom of box with fan at bottom. A custom tunnel I think would be ideal so you keep the flow even when box is open. Also maybe a thermal alarm or gauge you can read from inside to keep an eye on the gti temps. Just my 2 cent, great video, always on point.

[@athanoskerensky6778]

Nice, I'm putting up my first system on my home (sailboat) too. I'm working with 3x 12v 150w panels.

[@martinonumero]

Hey, where did you get the 36v 18650 battery packs, for the power wall?

[@FaisalR]

In Indonesia too we pay around 50$ for electricity and typical usage a day are same thank for your idea to store energy from the sun to save a bill

[@LegacyMicro]

Cool. 2 fans. Push/Pull cooling. Heat is the biggest enemy of inverters.

[@specialk22tt]

I think it's one fan and a port for it to exit.

[@briandowling8372]

@@specialk22tt Right, but adding another fan on the left to pull the air should make for better airflow & cooling.

[@specialk22tt]

@@briandowling8372 Agreed, but that's not what he did. lol

[@johnq8792]

Inlet and outlet too close together, hot air from outlet get pulled into inlet.

[@johnq8792]

@William Striker ...better pull-in fresh cool air than same air from hot outlet.

[@karlbartelt3939]

Hey Jehu, great job on the animations, fun to watch and I'm sure quite some effort to make. :)

[@lesliefranklin1870]

I was thinking that in trying to cool that inverter it would be more efficient to pull cool air from the bottom and vent it out the top. The way you have it with the intake next to the exhaust, it will be sucking in some warm air too.

[@jb8627]

Great video and the explanation with graphics was Awesome 👏🏼

[@mrlover4310]

You have located your converter in direct sunlight is that a good move.

[@WhskAZCL]

Great video. I see this was an old project. However, I am on a very similar scenario... couple of questions what's the model of the inverter you said is 240V? I can't find it anywhere. Is it 60hz or 50hz? Also, how did you connect it to the AC unit? Just in parallel in that cut off box? I couldn't find any videos of that installation. Thanks

[@Firespyer]

One of your best videos todate. Thank you

[@fvrrljr]

Yep, I've volunteered for GRID L.A. on some of their installs. Photovoltaic / Solar Thermal Technician here. Tips hat off, except i don't like the flexible solar panels aka Amorphous thin film, they'll peel and don't last like solid frame panels aka Monocrystaline or Polycrystaline. Pero te hecho PORRAS!!!! i Like, OLE!

[@jonahmillerduvalrazed]

Your videos are always awesome!!!

[@raizriyal84]

Ur awesome as always, thanks for the duck curve chart. :) I am also working on the same project, will let u know the feedback, however got a problem with connecting to grid tie. If you can make video how you connect it physically, that would be great, thank you :)

[@TRS-Tech]

I am so glad you did not say two phase supply like many people do.... In the UK the neutral is only grounded at the transformer / substation and not locally. So UK systems come overhead in whats called ABC cables containing a single phase, neutral and earth. Industrial building usually have three phases but homes only have one. If delivered underground in normally comes in by SWA (Steel Wire Armoured). That feeds to what is called a henley block containing a company fuse that is not replaceable and the blocks and meter have numbered seals. The Live, Neutral and earth then pass through the meter and into the consumer unit. Unlike the US in the UK all circuits are protected by a 30ma RCD or GFCI as you call them. Normally the supply is split into two with one RCD protecting a set of circuits each of these are protected my an MCB (breaker) that is sensitive to high fault currents and gradual increases via a bimetallic strip. The reason they split the load is that you are supposed to have the upstairs lighting and sockets on one RCD side and the downstairs lighting and ring main on the other. The idea being that if a fault trips the rcd only half of the house is isolated but it often is not wired this way. The three phases are distributed over the houses on the street. For example the first house may be on the red phase, the second on the blue and the third house on the yellow. This often has people scratching heads when your power goes out but next door is still up and running. The problem is that the phases are now out of balance and will eventually blow the substation fuses. These are very scary as apart from the 3 x 11KV on the three phases these fuses go with a bang and have a pin that shoots out and trips the other two phases. The feeds on the poles are even worse as they mostly use explosive disconnect. Yes they have a cordite based powder that heats until flash point and blow themselves clear of the feeder. If you are by the pole when this happens a change of underwear is normally needed afterwards. Like the US the national grid (that operate from a secret hidden location) have to juggle the loads on the grid to stop the frequency drifting or the voltage going to high. The EU state our voltage is supposed to be 230V but it is almost always around 240V. The EU do allow a 10% margin of error bless em (Grrrr) They have changed our wiring colour codes that we have had for 70+ years..... Im stopping now as I can feel my blood pressure rising. Needless to say they have changed operating procedures and regulations for no reason what so ever so I wont get started on that. This post is long enough as it is ! I do have to say however that our grid is very reliable, outages are very uncommon and repaired quickly when they do happen. I hope this info was of interest. Stu.

[@rmadiller]

Who, in their right mind, wants to be on the grid? Or, for that matter, live in any urban incorporated area. Ever notice that the wealthy tend to buy " country homes" to escape the dictates of Cities, HOAs, Neighborhood Associations, Historical Districts, etc?

[@apank21]

maybe try working on the base load to reduce consmption??! love the fan that is on wen the sun is giving energy!

[@demodemo9698]

Bro I just bumped into your channel. Thx man. Is there a actual DIY solar panel installation video that you have created? I couldn’t find it in your channel

[@adamm74]

Did you have to get a permit or an engineered design for your house? If so did you get around that in any way? That’s the issue I’m running into in my area before I install a diy system.

[@gs9163]

So how do you control when your batteries are charging vs discharging?

[@carlitos11693]

Hi. Thank you for the video. Just subscribed. Any pointers? I live in NY and there is a solar system in place. Where can I learn how to add a DIY battery? Thanks. Any help will be appreciated.

[@blackhatter011]

Sorry, because you live in New York you are beyond help.

[@Gendo3s2k]

Do you need a special solar electric plan to use grid tie? Or is that only when you generate a surplus, and want to be paid for it?

[@newbie101]

Did u have to have SCE approved you grid tie solar system?..I really wanna do the same system as yours, just do not know how to start.

[@steveplowman4005]

Hi I enjoy your videos, very informative. I am building an off grid small home so plan to go combined solar and wind. your storage battery system really appeals!! Cheers Steve.

[@jkmayfourteenth]

Yo I always am surprised at how smart you are at digesting data. Smart guy. I always learn a lot even when I thought I knew everything

[@yowmemperor]

So what am i looking for in 'certified' to stop feeding when the grid stops? i see all kinds of UL Certified, ETL Certified, etc, is that what im looking for, or some other term of certification?

[@rossmccurry5988]

since those inverter hate water and can get too hot, smart to make that case and add a larger fan. I might take this idea as I just want to start a little solar project at least in the day time. Get some benefit other than a really high mortgage.

[@loneranger1753]

I live in my travel trailer full-time. After watching your video, I believe it to be possible for me to power my camper full-time with solar power, propane gas and battery power. Any ideas on how I can start? I want to go off-grid in terms of powering my camper.

[@jonesrichardmr]

Isnt the fan on the inverter backwards? Pretty sure its "sucking" out of the box, "label down", no?

[@ivicakoren1924]

Do you have a contract for grid tie system with electric company?

[@epicbomb2]

What would you say the best advice for someone living in an apartment to have for solar? I've thought about using a grid tie inverter and plugging it into the nearest outlet as to help lower my electric bill since I do have a smart meter

[@ctgottapee]

You need an inverter that monitors overall usage and doesn't output over that, or a small system that never goes over your base load. If you back feed in solar power above what you are using, standard smart meters only roll forward and will charge you for that generation. It's likely that many have circuity that will trip and send a notification to the utility that something not quite right is going on [unknown]

[@omarfernandez8576]

Can’t find the 240 v AC inverter anywhere. Can you put a link to the one your using.

[@xipkore]

Should add a vent on the top too, with a vent hood to stop water coming in then you can have air coming in and hot air exhausting out.

[@pmichel4751]

I like the way you use the animations, very reminiscent of the old Disney cartoons with Professor Duck, nice overview.

[@williamtodd8742]

Jehu ... we are huge fans. Keep up all the good work. How can you do a system that is larger... allowing more of the electric use to be consumed on premises. Zero Export ? Power meter that trims Grid Tie ?? Nice books in the background ... !!!! Take care Brother. T

[@BSAElectronics2014]

Nice video! What are you using to see your home energy use on your phone? I like it.

[@BSAElectronics2014]

I'm just going to have to shoot jehu an e-mail and ask him

[@mikeywi96]

Top notch content! Very inspirational.

[@DaddyEric222]

Facebook sales page, look for used panels. I found a bunch of 5 year old 300-350 watt panels for $100 each. A lot where located in CA

[@mahdichavoushi5515]

Hi hi hi from Australia. I am doing extensive research for battery hookup 32.85v which you installed ( 9:44 ) . Could you please explain how you compromised these batteries?

[@RCP-1136]

where can i buy surplus solar panels and batteries in europe?

[@acopernic]

You should try pc water cooling for your inverter. No need of fan...

[@seanwhite7532]

Excellent video. Question: I have a single 250 watt grid tie inverter for 120v (one leg). Does the imbalance it creates cause a problem for the system? I've never popped a circuit breaker.

[@MrSummitville]

A 250 Watt inverter is small enough to make very little imbalance. What does a 120 Volt / 1,000 Watt do ?

[@GarthPhilpot]

anyone have a link to those stick-on roll-up panels... thanks

[@techelectricfuture3094]

I charge batteries and use load sensing grid tie inverters so that I don't send any energy to the grid and can use the energy during peak time.

[@Coladudetje]

Where u buy them?

[@techelectricfuture3094]

@@Coladudetje - ON eBay - they're Chinese, non UL listed, rogue install.

[@kastrup2dk]

Hi Jehu I like this video. in Denmark where I live we pay about $0,37 per Kwh. and it's not allowed to put up a grid tie inverter without agreement with the electric company Here in Denmark

[@duncancampbell7357]

It's not allowed in the US either. Jehu is just doing it anyway. It's potentially dangerous.

[@RobertWelling]

So @jehugarcia you got a lot of sun, in the NL... we have a lot of wind (and some sun). What about a small windturbine, charging the cells?

[@pkuudsk9927]

Works well for me in Canada a 400 w wind ,200 w solar panel, 1500 w inverter .Cost me 1k to install myself 6 years ago and cut my bills in half it's paid for it's self 2x . Best part is when we have a power outage I have my battery back up and solar out door motion lights installed inside( I use them all the time rarely turn on a grid switch ) I can run my lap top and router. Now the price of batteries are coming down I plan on building a large power wall.

[@lesliefranklin1870]

In California's mountain passes, there is a lot of wind too. A wind turbine would work better in those areas.