How to Scream Like Jon Mess of Dance Gavin Dance (False Chord Tutorial)

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Swancorner

Swancorner

5 жыл бұрын

4:11……Tutorial Start (Warm-Up)
8:15……Tone and Distortion
15:51…..Pitch Change
22:05…..”Sing-Screaming”
25:45…..Tips and Conclusion
Hey everyone, thank you for all your support on Reddit and Twitter. I really hope you can get something out of this tutorial; describing what happens when I am screaming is so difficult because I’m not a vocal coach nor do I have any training as a screamer, it’s all from experience. It’s basically like trying to describe how to talk. Anyway, if you have any questions or concerns, please put them in the comments or on r/dancegavindance if you feel more comfortable there, I’ll be obsessively checking both until I die. Thanks for watching!
Here is my vocal warm-up:
Trinidad and the big Mississippi on the town of Honolulu on the lake of Titicaca
The Polka Capitol is not in Canada, rather in Mexico, Mexico, Mexico
What to do to die today a minute or two till two
A thing distinctly hard to say but harder still to do
You can rent a tattoo at a minute or two or tad tattoo at two, and the dragon will come when he hears the drum at a minute or two till two today a minute or two till two
Bebop bebop brr bebop bebop brr bebop bebop brr stop
Bebop bebop brr bebop bebop brr bebop bebop brr stop
Red leather yellow leather red leather yellow leather
Aluminum linoleum aluminum linoleum
Cinnamon synonym cinnamon synonym
Toy boat toy boat beat you beat you
She stood on the balcony, inexplicably mimicking hiccupping while amicably welcoming him in
Unique New York, Unique New York, you know you need Unique New York
Fat black bugs in a wine-barrel room. Barrel-house kings with feet unstable, sagging and reeled and pounding on the table, pounding on the table. Beat an empty barrel with the handle of a broom. Boom boom boom with a silk umbrella and the handle of a broom. Boom le boom le boom le boom!
Mumbo jumbo will who do you
Mumbo jumbo will who do you
Mumbo jumbo will who do you!

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@herberthooverfeetpics4595
@herberthooverfeetpics4595 2 жыл бұрын
The raspy sigh sound you made is where you essentially force your true-folds (vocal cords) and false-folds (false cords) to both create distortion. Doing that is just as bad as back in the days when "throwing" your falsetto to get false-cord highs was a thing, partially because the distortion comes from the same places. All it takes is to be too tense/dehydrated/tired one day, then next thing you know you can't speak for months. Jon Mess' actual vocal technique (after Jonny Craig's first departure) seems to be a very compressed pitched mixed drive scream. A noticeable amount of aryepiglottic fold distortion is present, and the arytenoids are acting more like they would in a false-cord scream. However, the false-folds are creating distortion in the way that they would when creating fry distortion, except they are not doing so in tandem with the arytenoids. To sum it up: Don't create the distortion the same way as the video. Jon Mess basically combines the two main harsh vocal styles and adds back in pitch while using a lot of compression. Not a true "false-cord" or "fry" scream, rather a mixed drive scream with pitch under it.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa thank you for this comment! I've been wanting to hear what someone with experience would say about this technique. A very good analysis of Jon's technique as well! I appreciate you taking the time to educate 🙏🏻 Stay safe, everyone!
@herberthooverfeetpics4595
@herberthooverfeetpics4595 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Swancorner Please note that in theory, not all true-fold screaming is bad, but quite literally every real-word example you hear in popular music is dangerous and has led to the vocalists having to change their technique. Matt Heafy lost his voice and now doesn't use his old scream live. Oli Sykes ruptured a vocal fold and now doesn't use his old scream live very often (although in the newest album he does do it a little bit). Corey Taylor permanently wrecked his voice to the point where he had to stop using his old scream live, eventually having to stop doing it in-studio too. Jon Mess did something similar to the raspy sigh, albeit with changes, he blew his voice out during the recording of DTBMII The most sustainable way to use the true-folds for distortion is through becoming VERY familiar with clean singing and proper fry screaming, then applying that knowledge together. You can't constrict too much or no air'll come out, you can't constrict too little or you'll get this raspy shout, you can't be too loud or you'll hurt yourself, you can't compress at the glottis too little or you won't get distortion, you can't compress at the glottis too much or you hurt yourself. Fucking nightmare just to sound like a beginner without hurting yourself. P.S. Aryepiglottic fold distortion technically only exists at higher airflow, most of the time it's not the actual aryepi
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 2 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense. It has a decent probability of vocal injury, and doing it hundreds and hundreds of times increases those chances. I really appreciate your input!
@herberthooverfeetpics4595
@herberthooverfeetpics4595 2 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner yeppers
@herberthooverfeetpics4595
@herberthooverfeetpics4595 2 жыл бұрын
@@totally_a_duck6982 think of it like combining fry and false-cord screams by imagining the sound going certain directions. It's mainly a placement thing, as both styles usually use the same cartilage already, we just associate certain sounds with "fry" and "false-cord" .
@yourcommondani
@yourcommondani 5 жыл бұрын
Your warm-up already sounds like a Jon Mess verse
@nikkoallen6637
@nikkoallen6637 5 жыл бұрын
True
@Ruthlesshauser
@Ruthlesshauser 4 жыл бұрын
This is literally what I was thinking, he just gave Jon lyrics for like 4 new songs lmao
@nightwing5288
@nightwing5288 4 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHA
@frusciante1516
@frusciante1516 3 жыл бұрын
*Jon Mess taking note about it"
@chrishohmann5234
@chrishohmann5234 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ruthlesshauser sounds like he's doing a take on quavo he's like brrrrrrrr brrrrr lolol
@dynasticc
@dynasticc 5 жыл бұрын
When you screamed "Bebop bebop brr bebop bebop brr bebop bebop brr stop" that absolutely sounded like a Jon verse
@johnmartinez9220
@johnmartinez9220 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@D_Portwine
@D_Portwine 4 жыл бұрын
Better hide this video from the Mumble rappers
@juanorantes9601
@juanorantes9601 4 жыл бұрын
could he be making the robot with human hair sounds??
@jorlandooo_13
@jorlandooo_13 5 жыл бұрын
This man knows how to bless this mess. You should cover some of the songs off LP2. I would love to see that
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I've been trying to get the new songs down well enough to do a decent cover video, but Jon goes so hard! It's difficult to keep up. Thanks for watching!
@charlesgraham1759
@charlesgraham1759 5 жыл бұрын
We need a reaction video from jon mess.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
That would be amazing! If nothing else, just to find out if I'm doing it correctly
@KGB-rn5vz
@KGB-rn5vz 2 жыл бұрын
This is hilarious
@offiziellerkanalvondoggen-3116
@offiziellerkanalvondoggen-3116 4 жыл бұрын
You're kinda at the same level of Jon's experience like on Acceptance Speech... Hats off, big respect!!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! That really means a lot, it took me a long time to sound like this :)
@SAWDERSBALLS
@SAWDERSBALLS 4 жыл бұрын
"Trinidad and the big Mississippi, and the town Honolulu and the Lake Titicaca!" HAHAHA I'll be repeating this for the rest of my life...Thank you! XD
@CrypticlyEncrypted
@CrypticlyEncrypted 4 жыл бұрын
He has a super unique screaming voice.
@alexandertorrente198
@alexandertorrente198 5 жыл бұрын
6:14 - 6:30 - my sim as I refuse to feed him and his sad little family
@johasnolife5121
@johasnolife5121 3 жыл бұрын
LMAOOO
@trevbuchet6777
@trevbuchet6777 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use this for a song lyric please?
@t.j.hargrove5964
@t.j.hargrove5964 5 жыл бұрын
Been trying to learn to scream like Jon for ages, I almost got down the DBT vocals, but this is so much more helpful, thank you so much for the video!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you I'm glad it helped! Good luck and stay safe!
@arunrun7012
@arunrun7012 4 жыл бұрын
11:31 when someone slowly steps on my foot
@poopdoop22
@poopdoop22 3 жыл бұрын
E
@nicholaspotter4771
@nicholaspotter4771 3 жыл бұрын
My abs hurt from laughing at this
@johasnolife5121
@johasnolife5121 3 жыл бұрын
AHAHZHXJSNC
@Dyphurion
@Dyphurion 5 жыл бұрын
I was listening to A Fever You Can't Sweat Out and singing along through the first part of you tutorial and you're just like "Sing Nails For Breakfast Tacks For Snacks" and I was like "way ahead of you bro" hahahaha
@woahnellyitsali
@woahnellyitsali 2 жыл бұрын
literally anything from a fever you cant sweat out is the perfect vocal warm up for my range. my heart leaped when you said panic because i knew exactly which songs you were refering to LOL
@conorparnell7115
@conorparnell7115 4 жыл бұрын
This video helped me a ton. After one session of trying out your methods I’m already making big improvements. Thanks so much man. 🙏🏻
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
So happy I could help! Thank you for the kind words!
@archieb1
@archieb1 4 жыл бұрын
This video has been very helpful, man, thanks a lot for it, I know the KZbinr life can be hard but keep going at it, bro, this kind of stuff is truly enlightening.
@ItsRossinator
@ItsRossinator 5 жыл бұрын
Became a big fan of dgd and secret band lately and got a newfound respect for screaming vocals. Nice vid!
@a_man_of_clay4080
@a_man_of_clay4080 5 жыл бұрын
This was actually very fascinating. Very cool dude.
@ferna2294
@ferna2294 4 жыл бұрын
The warmup comes from an upcoming Secret Band´s EP 10/10
@a.case.of.the.mondays
@a.case.of.the.mondays 3 жыл бұрын
14:42 I wear my soul on my sleeve at night
@ROOTBEERMAN091
@ROOTBEERMAN091 2 ай бұрын
S-s-searching for substance
@MRGRIMMINFLAMES
@MRGRIMMINFLAMES 5 жыл бұрын
If Jon says it's a tell. Then it's a yell. Because if you really think about it. When he performs live. U see him turn red. And the only way that happens is if you are really yelling loud.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah after doing more research on false chord screaming, I'd change the title to "yell scream tutorial" instead. Thanks for watching!
@alishabounds8574
@alishabounds8574 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how much effort you put into this to get anyone to understand and practice without pulling a Capri sun throat obliterating attempt at so inching like anything not even close to what Jon sounds like. I may have to embarrassingly admit that I attempted and after so many attempts I am confidant that I've succeeded.. but I'm going to steal you're warm up chants.. they're my new chant and I feel like Jon Would appreciate the string of words you're using.. unless they came from him 😭lol
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks I have no idea where the warm-up came from, I learned it in Theater class in high school and it's stuck with me ever since 😋 Good luck with your screaming practice!
@Frozirra
@Frozirra 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, I’ve always wondered this. I hella appreciate it
@asapvarg
@asapvarg 3 жыл бұрын
Dude that advice about getting dizzy in the car is exactly what I needed to hear. I found myself damn near passing out on the road while going hard with screams and even though I never passed out, I got temporary massive headaches right after and it’s honestly just not worth it
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah man I went through the same thing. Just gotta find a good place to practice that isn't barreling down a highway at 75mph 😅
@Dionis8534
@Dionis8534 4 жыл бұрын
Sincerely appreciate this video! Very detailed! People pay so much money to learn this kind of stuff
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@ohjesusitsnathan5649
@ohjesusitsnathan5649 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing tips! Subscribed for sure
@crazylayzy23
@crazylayzy23 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. You were very clear and helpful. One of my friends was wondering why Gospel Burnout was skipped during all of their ArSe live sets. I suppose one of the reasons for that now that I know, it could have been detrimental to the whole set if he started rasping his voice during the end of his bridge on GB. Subbed!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment, it really made my day knowing that I was helpful. And thanks for the sub too!
@NevergyGMV117
@NevergyGMV117 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid man, the most informative out there! Keep it up man!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@youthinasia9523
@youthinasia9523 3 жыл бұрын
I like to sing, mostly r&b, soul and motown stuff, but this got me on another level. I used to yell as a pre-teen to early punk rock, but since I've got into Jon Mess I've been going down the rabbit hole (secret band refrence). Also, I learned from screaming is that the more you do it the better you get, much as other singing styles. To me it feels like you're stretching out those vocal chords, much like muscles. Then again Idk. I ain't no vocal scholar. Def stop for a bit if it's painful, although I think it helps to keep pushing the limits once in a while
@bencolbert6732
@bencolbert6732 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thanks for the video.
@thebelfastpodcast
@thebelfastpodcast 2 жыл бұрын
"I come out into my shed, where my screaming takes place." That made me laugh
@HEALBOIBEDSIDE1
@HEALBOIBEDSIDE1 3 жыл бұрын
This is amazing
@Jumbo_shrimp
@Jumbo_shrimp 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of when I had to do those warm up back in my drama days
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! That's where I learned mine
@TheGroundBeef
@TheGroundBeef 5 жыл бұрын
this is great definitely can see the Mess relations!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it
@Nickdude6
@Nickdude6 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating.
@jfklmk13447
@jfklmk13447 3 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing man thank you so much !
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! 😁
@askingalexsalva
@askingalexsalva 4 жыл бұрын
best warmup on the subject
@jameshernandez748
@jameshernandez748 4 жыл бұрын
Damn dude this shit is great and you’re very thorough and you explain very very well! Subbed !
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@Ghastlei
@Ghastlei 3 жыл бұрын
“Get away from anyone who’s gonna call the cops on you” LMAO when I first ever tried to practice screaming (like 6 years ago) I actually was practicing in a vehicle and my neighbours called the cops 💀🤣 it was hilarious haha the cops and I had a good laugh about it 😂
@pom.bo.
@pom.bo. 5 жыл бұрын
This was really informative, thanks for the effort. Subscribing to keep informed and perhaps hear some singing, haha.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have a cover of Do It Again by Secret Band *maybe* in the works. Idk yet, I'm still setting things up. Thanks for the subscribe!
@iofthestorm
@iofthestorm 6 ай бұрын
Incredible. Thank u
@karsenic6436
@karsenic6436 3 жыл бұрын
Your warm up crashed my phone no joke and I’m not even mad :)))
@erravi
@erravi 5 жыл бұрын
the hair pulled back looks great btw! i think a short hair style would look just as good too. awesome tutorial
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I just got my hair cut short a few weeks ago. I need to make a new vid and show it off!
@erravi
@erravi 5 жыл бұрын
cj salami Nice!!
@melancholygloom4533
@melancholygloom4533 4 жыл бұрын
Checking him out bro? Think hes cute or something?
@erravi
@erravi 4 жыл бұрын
Necro Excursion I’m a girl
@ParisAga
@ParisAga 3 жыл бұрын
omgggg and i just realised the “who am i kidding” part in the cuddler has an A sound which is how he goes higher!!!! aaaaaaa that’s so cool!!!!!!!
@travislecount3003
@travislecount3003 3 жыл бұрын
take a drink every time he says "take a drink"
@ConsideratelyKillingMe
@ConsideratelyKillingMe 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, I did it! Thank you! :)
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm really glad I could help! :)
@ferna2294
@ferna2294 4 жыл бұрын
10:24 When she keeps the SUCC
@iandauber3878
@iandauber3878 5 жыл бұрын
This is the most helpful tutorial I have come across. Thank you so much!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad I could help out, that really means a lot!
@jmjung9
@jmjung9 4 жыл бұрын
Did Jon write the warm up?
@crookedchook
@crookedchook Жыл бұрын
I did the E and had completely forgotten in my trance that I had roommates. I did it quite loud and it's in the middle of the night; I think they might be very concerned lmao
@arianag8871
@arianag8871 5 жыл бұрын
How to scream like sam carter of architects, please
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try to figure out how he does it and see if I can replicate it
@thomasjml82
@thomasjml82 Ай бұрын
Cool. All we did in my vocal lessons were the trills.
@Adam-wo9ct
@Adam-wo9ct 4 жыл бұрын
there is NO false chord happening in Jon's scream at least since acceptance speech and up. It is purely fry. I can do it and its extremely taxing, the fact that he produces it the way he does and for the amount of time he does i.e live shows is incredible.
@Skytenorio
@Skytenorio 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that to cause i can do fry screaming but not the way jon does it, but I'm learning or teaching myself how to do it
@dadmonster1019
@dadmonster1019 3 жыл бұрын
My warm up is weird ad-lib from 2012. "My wise guy was a wide eyed turkey wife"
@viperss4l
@viperss4l 4 жыл бұрын
The warm up is like dbm 2 lolol
@MutantPuke
@MutantPuke 4 жыл бұрын
Jon sing screams a ton in LP2, I don't think he'll ever do those songs live
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. He used to do some Secret Band songs live but they stopped doing that because it was probably too hard on his voice. Idk for sure though
@erravi
@erravi 5 жыл бұрын
THE MUFFINS ARE BEEFY
@FallOnFridays
@FallOnFridays 5 жыл бұрын
The technique sounds the same damn that's awesome lol
@FallOnFridays
@FallOnFridays 5 жыл бұрын
So I sing with a placement at the top of my mouth for placement, the distortion is happening there as well, not necessarily painful really slightly dry feeling. Anyways, I sing up in tillians range a lot with strong compressed vocals and after screaming just a couple times my voice is breaking in the same placement, is it just not something you can do to both sing and scream in the same placement or does this mean I'm doing something wrong? Again no pain, accomplished and knowledgeable singer, just dumb and learning to scream. Please and thanks in advance your instructions are very clear
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Just to reiterate, I am not a vocal coach, I can only speak from experience. I had the same problem while I was trying to transition from only screaming to singing and screaming. Up to a certain point, I had no problem singing and screaming in the same practice session, but as my singing progressed and I learned to compress more, my screaming started failing me. In turn, I would push more while screaming to try and get the same tone I had before, but this would only harm my singing voice. I don't know exactly where the problem lies when trying to practice both, but you could be right in thinking that it is the placement of the voice. In the end, I had to give up trying to develop my singing voice any further than average because I didn't want to lose my screaming voice. I believe that this method of screaming (yell screaming, which I would amend the title to reflect), is best practiced on its own. In other words, if you wish to continue learning this particular scream method, I would recommend you stop pushing yourself as hard while singing. You seem to value singing more, so I would ultimately say that you should find a less taxing scream method like vocal fry (what the majority of singer/screamers use). I know even less about this subject, as never bothered to learn fry screaming, but there are decent tutorial videos out there for it. I really appreciate your comment and I hope I was able to help you out! Thanks for watching!
@FallOnFridays
@FallOnFridays 5 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner thank you so much for the reply, yeah I notice there seems to be a massive disconnect between proper singers and screamers. It'd be nice if there were more that could do both to have better reference when you have the muscle memory and compression already. I'll make sure to focus more researching fry for the time being, I get the heavy correct "sounding" distortion from what I'm doing but the slight burn and breaking in that area is unacceptable because that's where I sing the most tone wise. Thanks again for your reply, you sound amazing and I wish you the best, that's a pretty crazy technique
@aethanminor791
@aethanminor791 4 жыл бұрын
1:44 Jon is indeed just going full in and screaming at the top of his lungs Shane Told had an interview with both Tilian and Jon take a listen
@ryandeskar1555
@ryandeskar1555 4 жыл бұрын
AEthan Minor yup. Jon himself described it as “just a really angry scream... I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone” lmao he doesn’t really have much of a technique he just goes in.
@adamverrillo8763
@adamverrillo8763 4 жыл бұрын
Just because he isnt intentionally using a technique, doesnt mean he isnt using one. Maybe he angry yells in a way that just happens to correspond to a proper screaming technique. Practicing for years, you eventually find a way to not lose your voice every night, even if its subconscious
@GarettChamberlin
@GarettChamberlin 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamverrillo8763 Yeah that's exactly what I think is happening
@TheXenge
@TheXenge 5 жыл бұрын
I just listen, but my face seems to be ready to explode :D
@drangarcia882
@drangarcia882 5 жыл бұрын
very nice Caesar chan do you have a cool down exercise that you do, or do you just recommend the tea?
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
I don't normally do a cooldown but I bet that would be a good idea. Something easy like the vocal warm-up at a regular volume. I try not to talk too much after I've fully stopped and drank my tea though.
@romanmedrano3534
@romanmedrano3534 5 жыл бұрын
Is that a fucking JoJo's reference
@brandongarcia203
@brandongarcia203 5 жыл бұрын
Niceu niceu caesar-chan
@9807036
@9807036 3 жыл бұрын
So I was introduced to DGD by a streamer and instantly fell in love with their music. Thank you for the tutorial so I can scream better as well as not fucking up my voice.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man! Good luck and stay safe 😁
@9807036
@9807036 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner holy hell a reply from a content creator! Seriously thanks though, I’ve only been practicing unclean vocals for about 2 months and this video and the vocal warmup that you included have made it much less painful even after only 3 sessions. I do have a question about progression though, where do you rate in terms of difficulty Tree City Sessions 2? I feel like it’s a decent mix of what DGD has to offer but I have some difficulty with a few tracks and honestly the unclean vocals are more in my range than Tilian’s. It takes a falsetto to hit a few of those notes for me. Anyway thanks again.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
No problem! And I really appreciate you watching :) In terms of unclean vocals, I think both TCS albums are a good place to start just because they are less polished and processed than the studio albums. My personal progression while learning Jon's screams (from easiest to most difficult) was: Self-titled TCS 1 Mothership Artificial Selection Secret Band LP2 Acceptance Speech Instant Gratification With IG still being very hit and miss for me, idk why. As for Tilian's parts, I couldn't really say because I'm not that great of a clean singer at all. I would look up some stuff online about chest voice, head voice, and falsetto and switching between those (if you don't know about that already). I hope this helps somewhat and once again I'm glad that you got some value from my video! 😊
@ConsideratelyKillingMe
@ConsideratelyKillingMe 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video like this but for Keith Buckley from ETID? That would be amazing dude! Edit: I think his style might be similar to this too, but I'm not sure
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
I'll look into it and try to figure out his technique. Thanks for watching! :)
@drey4529
@drey4529 3 жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same thing. your tone definitely reminds me of keith
@brynportas5300
@brynportas5300 2 жыл бұрын
This is really excellent stuff - I thought I was OK at screaming but turns out I had a lot of basic errors and decided that with my taste changing towards this kind of layered yell/voice scream, I should start again. I can get the eeeyah by using my diaphragm (as a fairly experienced clean vocalist), engaging the false chord etc but my articulation when it comes to actually screaming lyrics still isn’t there. I know it’s been a while since you posted this, but do you have any tips to help with getting from being able to make the distortion to applying it with good diction? Obviously Jon is so good at this (as with the likes of Sam Carter), where you can hear every word cleanly - is it just literally practice and working at it? Thanks in advance!
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I can only speak from experience, but I would say that the articulation does come from more practice. In my case, the right sound and longer stamina came first, and once I got those down I could comfortably work on my articulation. It took me awhile to go from "gimmedacamaslemepaisumshih" to "gimme that canvas lemme paint some shit" haha. Good luck man! Just take your time, always warm up and always drink water. 👍🏻
@brynportas5300
@brynportas5300 2 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner Thanks dude, I really appreciate you taking the time to get back to me - I’ll keep at it! Out of interest, are you in a band or anything? Your cover of The Rattler is so sick, any plans to do more stuff in the future?
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! And I wish I could be in a band. I've lived in an apartment for the past few years and I don't have anywhere to practice, so I'm very rusty. I'm hopefully gonna find a house soon and get back to screaming, then I'll upload some more stuff :)
@apricot8301
@apricot8301 3 жыл бұрын
"You give up duration..." *Upgrades intensifies*
@abigailweber2449
@abigailweber2449 4 жыл бұрын
not a singer at all, but love the nails for breakfast reference!!! great video ur awesome
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate it!
@adamdouglas7453
@adamdouglas7453 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid you sound good! but it is not the same technique Jon uses. If you notice, any time Jon is performing, he is bent over like he's screaming at the ground. That posture+gravity adds a layer of heavy distortion to his VOCAL FRY mid screams. Vocal fry and fry screaming are different things and false chord is a separate category altogether. The real place that Jon shines in is his enunciation and projection.
@BookooZenny
@BookooZenny 2 жыл бұрын
Liked just for the warm-up alone
@Nabooru956
@Nabooru956 3 жыл бұрын
Idk if youll see this but id love an explanation on what technique Tilian possibly used near the end of Prisoner
@robby_boy7418
@robby_boy7418 4 ай бұрын
Do you think is a good idea to try to sing like Jon mess if I'm a heavy smoker?
@maskedmadnessproductions8105
@maskedmadnessproductions8105 5 жыл бұрын
14:01
@mcmeltdown
@mcmeltdown 5 жыл бұрын
You should do an update video based off of Mess' LP2 screams. They are fucking brutal
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've been meaning to make a follow up video but I haven't been able to practice as much as I'd like because I just moved into an apartment. After making this vid, I figured out how he sing screams in LP2 and want to make a tutorial of it. I also have a cover of Do It Again recorded but haven't had the time to mix it.
@cameronwatson2241
@cameronwatson2241 4 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, just wondering if I should find my clean vocal range before going into screaming as I've wanted to learn how to scream for a while.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
I've never done it, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt if you found your vocal range :) But remember, learning this particular method of screaming may have a negative effect on your clean singing, and vice versa depending on how hard you push your clean voice while practicing (just going off of what I've experienced; you may not have the same problem, and there aren't any permanent effects on either voice from what I've seen, just keep an eye on it). Thanks for the question and thanks for watching!
@cameronwatson2241
@cameronwatson2241 4 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner Thanks for the advice. I grew up around bands like ADTR and A7X which got me into so when I found bands like I prevail and Alazka I started to get into screaming so sacrificing my clean vocal wouldn't have to great of an effect. Definitely subscribing tho
@ricardolazarim2886
@ricardolazarim2886 3 жыл бұрын
hi , maybe i'm a little too late , but anyway , you dont need to find your clean vocal range , just go for it and stay hydrated.
@9000ryguy
@9000ryguy 12 сағат бұрын
B L E S S T H I S ME S S WILL YOU BLESS THIS MESS
@PrimevalArt
@PrimevalArt 4 жыл бұрын
Well based off of what I saw, your either inhaling or using fry based off of your throat muscles retracting and that’s what happens when you inhale. I know because I thought I was “fry” screaming for years only to find out it was inhaled. When you false chord your throat muscles expand. If Jon said he doesn’t recommend it then I would understand why, I’ve seen shows where he has coughed up a lot after doing screams and trying to do the vocal effects live.
@PrimevalArt
@PrimevalArt 4 жыл бұрын
Also to add, the difference between a false chord and fry is the fact that in false chord, you are using the muscles on top of your “talking vocal chords” to touch either really fast to make the sound, so no you don’t use the pressure on your throat, but you are still using it to make a false.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not inhaling, and based off of research I've done since making the video, I'd amend the title to read "Yell Scream Tutorial" because neither fry nor false chord screaming use any voice whatsoever.
@PrimevalArt
@PrimevalArt 4 жыл бұрын
cj salami Well, From your throat muscles going inward then your are inhaling. An exhale keeps them either relaxed or puffed up like a frog. But even if it is a yell it still has distortion so yes you can add fry or false to a scream. It seems to me he is yelling until his voice distorts at unsafe levels hence again I just repeated everything I said, which is why he does not want anyone else to use this technique, there are many great vocalista that were screaming incorrectly in some of the most successful and well known albums. So because it sounds cool doesn’t mean it’s safe.
@josephkoch2262
@josephkoch2262 4 жыл бұрын
I am a singer (very average, at best. You are far more well versed, and this is the first time I've watched a video of yours) Do you have a specific video for just learning how to do dirty vocals in general? I have tried but it's super difficilt for me. If you see this could you send a message to me? Anyways, this was a like 98-99% identical, like you said you voice is just a little deeper. Really interesting stuff man. For real, you're good.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and thank you so much for the kind words! This is the first video I've ever made so it's good to hear nice things about it. I'm working on developing my scream techniques right now, but this "yell scream" method is the only one I can do with any confidence at the moment. When I'm good enough at a different technique, I'll definitely make a video trying to teach it. If you find that this particular technique is the one you want to start out learning, my only advice is keep practicing every day as long as it doesn't hurt your throat. And if you maybe want to look into other scream methods to see if you can pick those up any easier, I'd recommend Voice Hacks, she has some great instructional vids on her channel and she knows a lot more than I do about the voice in general. Good luck and thanks again!
@josephkoch2262
@josephkoch2262 4 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner thanks for the reply! I subscribed so if you make another technique video ill check it out 👌 I am only insterested in learning dirty vocals like Jon mess, and high pitched screams. I actually really hatw low growls, not sure why but I dont think they're fun to listen to. I like Jon Mess' style because I can actually understand what hes saying after I listen to a song a dozen times. Its like solving a puzzle lol. Piece by piece I figure out what hes saying, and once I'm confident I know the lyrics, I look them up to see how close I was to the real lyrics lol. Anyways yeah, thanks for the insight dude! I appreciate it!
@emilioa008
@emilioa008 5 жыл бұрын
he pulling some fuckin moon runes dude
@captntrousers4646
@captntrousers4646 Жыл бұрын
Bro has a screaming shed. I’m jealous
@pushokkesha5372
@pushokkesha5372 Жыл бұрын
Мне помог момент с E. Вышел на нужное звучание. Thanks
@MioTenacious
@MioTenacious 3 жыл бұрын
dude you could be a great guy for voice overs thu
@raprappg
@raprappg 4 жыл бұрын
What's the song in 0:01?
@nihilistblues
@nihilistblues 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know if the vocalist of bad omens Noah Sebastian uses this technique? If not would you be able to make a video like this on his technique please?
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, I'll listen to them and see if I can figure it out! Thanks for watching :)
@nihilistblues
@nihilistblues 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner Thank you so much I would appreciate that a lot! A few songs to listen to are The Hell I Overcame, Mercy and Glass Houses :)
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
@Nihilist Those are some good songs! I think he uses a vocal fry technique or a combination of yell-scream and vocal fry. Andy Cizek has a good vocal fry tutorial video that you should check out. I'm trying to learn fry from that video and some others, so maybe once I learn it well enough I can make one myself. But it's very difficult for me, maybe you'll have better luck with it!
@nihilistblues
@nihilistblues 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner Thank you so much for your input :) I remember watching Andy Cizek's tutorial a while ago but I'll take a look again. I would love to see a tutorial from you when you get it down, you explain things well. I'm kind of got the fry scream down but fry in general is quite difficult to understand and master but I'm sure you will get it! I've been doing it for a while but I still get stuck quite often haha.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
@Nihilist Thank you for the support! I'll definitely make a tutorial once I get better and have confidence in my ability enough to try and teach it :)
@RyanREAX
@RyanREAX 3 жыл бұрын
6:15 System of a down hired him to write lyrics
@lionforlambs9167
@lionforlambs9167 4 жыл бұрын
Do more
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 4 жыл бұрын
I'm working on it! :)
@johasnolife5121
@johasnolife5121 3 жыл бұрын
11:30 eeeeeEEEEEEEE
@Ganzii
@Ganzii 2 жыл бұрын
My ESL ass is having a hard ass time keeping up with the english in the warm up 🥲🤣
@katymay1013
@katymay1013 3 жыл бұрын
10:27 sounds like Jon in Say Hi
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that's like my favorite dgd song at the moment! And thanks for watching 😊
@QuackSpeed
@QuackSpeed 3 жыл бұрын
6:45 mmm yes, saliva shower
@epicisskeptic5300
@epicisskeptic5300 3 жыл бұрын
Idk why but he looks like Gideon from scott vs the world
@goner.9989
@goner.9989 2 жыл бұрын
dat neck doe
@cameronknight1654
@cameronknight1654 2 жыл бұрын
Band camp breathing techniques 😩
@philthethotdestroyer4194
@philthethotdestroyer4194 2 жыл бұрын
ive been trying since 2015, and i never could scream lol
@orangelambo5324
@orangelambo5324 4 жыл бұрын
We need an analysis like this for Marcus of Northlane
@MEnergyM80
@MEnergyM80 5 жыл бұрын
Is there a video showing the different kinds of screams, if not you seem to have the knowledge to make one ;)
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! However, I really only know this one kind of screaming. I recommend Distorted Vocals Defined by VoiceHacks. It's a very informative video and she explains things much better than I do. Thanks again for watching!
@Greatlakeskyle.
@Greatlakeskyle. 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks is a rather taxing warmup song if you’re going full speed. Something like 9 in the afternoon might be better.
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
True, I agree
@Greatlakeskyle.
@Greatlakeskyle. 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner helpful video nonetheless
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@herud4737
@herud4737 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know what that kind of scream is called?
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know exactly what it's called but maybe a yell scream? It's like a false chord scream with voice so idk 😅
@herud4737
@herud4737 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner do you know what Vic fuentes and Kellin Quinn do?
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm I'm not 100% sure but I think they use vocal fry. You should check out Voice Hacks or Andy Cizek for good tutorial vids on vocal fry, I'm trying to learn but for some reason can't get it right :/ Good luck and thanks for watching!
@herud4737
@herud4737 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swancorner thanks have a good day❤️
@mutilux9302
@mutilux9302 3 жыл бұрын
You just exposed yourself as the ghostwriter for Secretband, nice
@Swancorner
@Swancorner 3 жыл бұрын
🤫
@swoozyduzzytgottaloveit2966
@swoozyduzzytgottaloveit2966 3 жыл бұрын
Idk why I watch these. Cigarettes, beer and balls is all you need. Ask Eric Johnson, who’s been doin it longer than him?
@deathcoredevoter
@deathcoredevoter 3 жыл бұрын
10:56 so the key is your age affect your vocal cords, man. simply like when you at 18 it's would be difference with you at 25 on your voice.
@findleyad18
@findleyad18 4 жыл бұрын
6:00 isnt this already a dgd song?
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