How to Spray Envirolak 170 with the Apollo Precision 6

[@Addicted2Fun]

I remember back in the day I would mix the high solid air cap 2.0 with a 1.5 needle so I could move a little faster but still not worry about splatter. However I just feel like there’s always slight orange peel with a hvlp turbine even your left side has bumps in reflection which with a turbine of course it never will be glass. Maybe someone who sits there and sprays back to back coats sanding them back to back, but for us who like to used cup guns or aaa and just 4-6 mill coat and go and not be there all day is what I prefer and why I left turbines. Then when you tell this to turbine lovers they flame you for disrespecting turbines because they realize your right but 2 grand down and they gotta act like they got the best device you can send paint down with lol. I’ll reconsider one when they’re 15 psi-20 psi for sure and portable like they are no brainer then! Keep up the excellent work through good video for anyone still learning the basics and Eric thank you for your time! Much always appreciated!

[@ericreason6559]

@@Addicted2Fun every system has some sort of compromise to it. The turbine is certainly the fixed pressure.

[@aurthordunne]

Just takes more skill to dial in turbine.

[@jeffcarter1466]

Appreciate your honest take. Turbine owner here who struggles with high solid waterborne finishes.

[@ILruffian]

Thanks for sharing. Have you ever sprayed Envirolak top coats with the Apollo? I have had great results with their top coats when sprayed with Tritech T5. But my dealer--who sells Envriolak, Apollo, and Tritech--tells me that he prefers airless for the primers and HVLP for the top coats. Said he can spray the topcoats unthinned with the PP6. Just wondering if I will be able to do it with the PP5 and mobile fluid feed system (pressure pot).

[@ericreason6559]

Yes I have sprayed them with the precision 6. It all depends on what your intended outcome is which is different for everyone. The more you can atomize a coating the better to a degree. Most coatings when sprayed with the Apollo will need to be thinned which is the same with any type of cup gun. I am not sure I understand why everyone worries so much about thinning coatings.

[@ILruffian]

@@ericreason6559 Eric, thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. The issue with thinning is 1. Having to thin beyond what is specified in the TDS to get to the required # of seconds w/ the Apollo viscosity cup; and 2. Related terrible results results. First attempt was with Target Coatings. Stuff never dries. Doors were still unstackable at three weeks. Then even stuck to each other even if leaning two against one another up against a wall. Second attempt was with SW Gallery Series. Got pinholes from solvent trapping. Did all sort of stuff to try to fix it. More thinning, heating the coating, different tip/needle sets. Just couldn't get it right. Third attempt was with Envirolak 400 and switch to airless. F-ing *flawless* results with both my Tritech T5 and Graco Ultimate Quick Shot. I'm very leery of going back to HVLP after literally wasting dozens of hours with one train wreck after another. That said, my Envirolak dealer said the Apollo 6 stage is his preferred method for top coats (after spraying the primer with airless). Said you use a lot less coating because it is so efficient.

[@richard01206]

Hi, are you adding the reducer to the hardener, then putting it with the paint or does it not matter which you add first?

[@ericreason6559]

Typically the best practice is for the reduction to go last

[@joseph7105]

Tried spraying 170 with Gx19 and 310 tip today and getting tails even at max pressure. Any ideas?

[@ericreason6559]

@@joseph7105 reduce it

[@slawomirbieganski5315]

I think 648 is also pretty thick How would you spray 648 with Apollo ?

[@doomslayerforever2858]

Try watering down 20% maybe

[@ericreason6559]

@@slawomirbieganski5315 I will do Renner stuff but you wouldn't attack it the sameway reduce until you get proper atomization

[@aurthordunne]

So do you lose the build when you reduce tho?

[@ericreason6559]

You lose some solids but you gain a smoother surface with less sanding so it's kind of even trade

[@BurnetteJacob]

Helpful. Thank you.

[@ericreason6559]

You are welcome