How to Start Leather Working - Watch This BEFORE you Buy Anything

[@aixpert291]

5 years and $5000 later, I finally have the belt I didn’t want to pay $40 for on Amazon.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Hahaha that's exactly how it goes!

[@LB-uw8nq]

And a skill you can't buy

[@visiblyvisible6451]

Lol same here I finally made that 70€ leather phone case by just spending about 1000€ lmao

[@odgreen9113]

Sounds like 5 years of experience and memories you can't buy from amazon

[@aixpert291]

@@odgreen9113 nice. You’re absolutely right!

[@2fargonedaytona128]

About 5-6 pieces in and you’re exactly precise in learning what to fix. After watching thousands of videos you learn it is not easy as the videos make you think it is! Thanks!

[@overtonesnteatime198]

Honesty is the key and you use the clickbait stereotype perfectly without coming off as markety or pushing some bs ideology. Thank you. I care a lot about quality craftmanship and you help to save people a lot of years of trial and error and money. nothing beats experience except a great master/teacher. Cheers

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I really appreciate this comment. It's hard to juggle playing the KZbin algorithm game so you actually get views at the same time as trying to entertain and provide good information while still trying to make money. Thank you.

[@michaels2208]

Thank you for the straight forward conversation. I'm a disabled vet and saw some leather projects at my latest drag into hobby lobby. I thought it sounded cool and here we are.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks for watching and for your service! Feel free to reach out if you need a hand!

[@michaels2208]

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I'm sure I will, so thank you. I'm looking forward to making gifts for next Christmas

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

My advice there is start early! Haha

[@tennesseedanielauthor1825]

Tandy offers a military discount!

[@patrickloney4426]

Hey 🫡👋🏻 same! Lol

[@DaddyOpr8r]

I'm just starting and got some basic tools and an 11x8 sheet of veg tan to practice with on wetting the leather and getting it to the right tooling consistency. I've literally been obsessed with learning leather craft for the past 3 weeks now and that's where all my spare time is going.

[@mcspud]

This was 2 months ago. How is your progress?

[@DaddyOpr8r]

@mcspud just need leather.

[@pyrow465]

How is it going now? Hope it's good ​@@DaddyOpr8r

[@rosestewart1606]

for an example of Genuine Leather look at an old office chair. Genuine Leather is like the particle board of leather, bits and pieces pressed together and glued onto a canvas backing. You can clearly see the canvas backing on an old office chair where the top layer has rubbed away. This is not something you want to waste your time and money on because it doesn't behave like real leather and won't hold it's shape. I'm just getting back to leather crafting but I always used a natural veg tan. I was advised to do this by an artisan when I first started because you can dye it to any colour. when you first start out, you will make many different items rather than 10s of the same item so it's nice to be able to change the colour you're using for some projects. natural leather plus dyes will actually save you money, since you need the dyes for your edges anyways.

[@liztobola4192]

Thanks pal! Just getting my feelers out for my retirement days (4-6 years out). Very helpful... especially the words 'genuine leather' lol... who woulda thought. Great tips.

[@ChunkyJo]

"Black Flag Leather" -- Me:🤔... Somebody grew up in the punk scene. Or your a fan of pirates. I hope it's the patter though.

[@graup1309]

thank you for this video! I've been sewing historical clothes for a few years now and lately I've been slowly feeling the urge to start leather working creeping up. I figure it will still be a few years until I actually start since as a student, the sewing alone is already an expensive enough hobby (I want to start working with a brocade this year. the prospect of spending the kind of money that reproduction brocades cost does not excite me whatsoever) but hey, all the better time for starting to acquire knowledge about it! and at least I don't think the stitching will do me too much trouble anymore at that point. I would finally consider myself somewhat experienced when it comes to hand sewing, and sewing leather can't be that different (famous last words)

[@michaels2208]

Ordered my basic tool set from Amazon finally. Been kinda of shitty mentally lately. So talking my self into doing something positive is hard sometimes. Going to swing in hobby lobby and grab a bag of leather scraps and harbor freight for a couple random things. That will give me the chance to cut you a bunch and play with tools before I try anything.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Dude that sounds perfect! That's how it all starts!. Let me know how it goes!

[@colleenbigler9021]

you were there ayear+ ago and I have made some pieces. Started with 3/4 "doll shoes..then wallets now a purse. You are really helpful and fill in the blanks. Thank You for you help1

[@jf5336]

SO glad I found you...I've just started my research on leather craft and you are providing exactly what I need. Thank you so much; you have a new subscriber.

[@AzraelThanatos]

One thing that I've come to see with regard to leather is that you're not entirely right about focusing on just vegtan early on, one of the best things is to learn what each is good for there. There's a lot of relatively easy projects that mix chrome and veg tan leathers, a lot of bags and pouches do it because the chrome tan works well for flexible parts while the veg is great for more solid and/or structural pieces. I've found that I've been catching up my skills with chrome tanned leather to that of my abilities with veg tanned leather.

[@irapelletier5506]

Dude this video was sooooo good! Thanks for the shout out!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thank you, brother! Any time!

[@trentwinston2914]

Thank You. This video was SOLID. Fortunately, I inuitively knew most of what you told me, but the information that you gave was important for everyone. The number one rule that I learned in every Trade that I've been part of, NEVER EVER EVER skimp on Tools or on Materials. Good Tools and Materials always help the craftwork look better. No matter the Craftpersons skill level. It's hard to learn any craft using junky tools or inferior materials. maybe down the line I, or anyone else, can try using cheaper stuff, but doing that in the beginning makes work complicated.

[@trentwinston2914]

Thank You for your advice to just start making stuff, and improve with each project. Not only am I just getting started doing that, but I am watching the heck out of other crafters on KZbin. That's always been the fastest way for me to get better. You are definitely on my playlist now. I really like your demeanor. My favorite guy, currently, is Chuck Dorset with Weaver Leather.

[@danieldalton1757]

Lotta good advice, thanks. I've never done anything like this; my whole life has centered around electronics. But I've just purchased all the basic tools from Weaver, and I'm going to try making some bi-fold wallets! I'm spending the meantime drawing designs and cutting cereal boxes!

[@bogdanpopa268]

Tbh, as a simple customer who knows nothing about leather, whenever I saw genuine leather on a product I was thrilled 😂 it sounded like it's the real deal, not some fake leather 😅

[@VinayKumar-pe2xu]

The moment you spoke about how to find inspiration and ideas from KZbin and ig, I subscribed this channel. Please keep making more videos like these.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Oh man I really appreciate that. Thank you!

[@geminidragonreads]

Such a great informative video! I’ve been thinking about getting into leather work after trying to find a travelers notebook and couldn’t find one that I like. After I did order one that I liked most, I wasn’t impressed with the quality of the leather, then I thought I should just make one myself and now I’m here. So I’ll definitely start out making a few items for myself then maybe go from there.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thank you so much for watching! That's how it starts haha. You'll make a few for yourself and be hooked.

[@geminidragonreads]

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I’ll definitely be subscribing!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I really appreciate it! Glad to have you aboard!

[@michelledavis1629]

I also have started looking into the craft because i wanted something in a better quality lol

[@bettyb1313]

Same ;-)

[@2DAKE2]

Omg this video is a treasure trove of information for someone looking to get into leather work. Thank you so much for making this video!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thank you for watching! I appreciate it.

[@Aroxxxi]

Thorough and concise! Thanks for all of the tips.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Glad it was helpful!

[@bri-dyediscs2150]

Just grabbed some full grain and a tool kit on amazon just to practice on, got a knife im making a handle for so i need a sheath for it too.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

That's awesome! I'm stoked for you!

[@mandyem1]

Thank you for putting the difference in laymans terms so everyone can understand. Not just beginners. Furniture purchacers of "all leather" furniture need to get more info

[@dashy9482]

Y'know I really appreciated this. Leatherworking is something ive always wanted to try

[@jesthepainter]

what kind of leather are most couches made of?

[@ghoulinthegraveyard399]

Got twenty stamps and a small mallet, Tandy tom thumb kit. Made it for Mom for this Mother's Day. The rose stamp from Tandy took more hammer than what I got in the stamp kit. Had to pull out a 2lb dead blow hammer, scared me that I ruined the leather because the stamp bounced leaving striations as it bounced not stamping with the little baby hammer. When in doubt get the big hammer out. 😁 Thank you new sub.

[@samanthamillett5343]

Very informative thank you!

[@minerva5025]

Hi Black, glad I found you; I sew a lot (fabric) but have sowed leather; it isn't as easy, requires different skills than used on fabrics and some leather tools that I don't have; the results are disappointing; I admire accuracy and always go for work as perfect possible, have yet to achieve that with leather! The reason started to search for videos that can help me learn. Hope to find the leather you advised; here in Europe where I live, I don't know if has other names or brands, for a Newbie like me, I wish that wasn't the case. The budget won't support mistakes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Kind regards

[@nicolehatton]

I went the hard route lol and didn’t mean to. I’m having trouble hand-sewing a round cowhide bag. It’s not big, but not too small. I’ve been working with leather since 2018 and there’s much more I need to learn. I did stop for a year because of school and work.

[@pennylol4597]

you are incredible! thank you so much for this video im excitied to get started

[@MurphyinKS]

Young Man... You did a great job on your info... Like others have stated you miss a couple of the MASTERS.. I have been playing around leather for a couple decades and if I get any questions.. I will be sending them to you

[@MurphyinKS]

I would also add Mascon Leather... He shares great info

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thank you!! That means a lot from someone such as yourself who has been in the game for so long! I can't believe I missed some of the heavy hitters in the video. This is my first fully scripted video too 🤦‍♂️. I may have to just do a dedicated video on which leather KZbinrs to follow. Thanks for watching!!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I did get Mascon in there! He's great! I'm happy he's started doing some tutorials and I love that he customizes his tools to what fits best with him.

[@tennesseedanielauthor1825]

I’ve had a wishlist for a few years and today for my belated birthday present to myself was a $350 Tandy Leather trip. Got a supple blue pig suede, half a hide of semi supple coffee leather and two thin practice pieces. Scored an entire roll of Texon for $8, a bunch of tools and supplies. Still need a bit they were out of stock on. I have several leather patterns I’ve been collecting the past year.

[@CapitanFantasma1776]

Thanks! Merry Christmas!

[@non-participant]

Darn the KZbin algorithm is good bc it suggested this site and I am interested in learning it.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Reach out to me on Instagram or email if you have questions

[@mrtablesawful]

This was very helpful. Thank you!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks for watching!

[@wakidchettou6061]

Thank you for making this video!

[@AFarmhouseFull]

So much good info! New sub here!

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

bulk boxes on ebay of scrap top grain stuff is super cheap! great way to start

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Really?! I'm going to go check it out!

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods yup...got 10lbs of top grain for 18 on an offer, normally is $25....1 piece is a good 57x30ish inches....most of it is the thinner more flexible stuff but i find it better as its less forgiving of bad sewing jobs and really makes you realize how little tension you need. Some people sell thicker stuff too though

[@WillaLamour]

Thank you for this. It is really helpful.

[@christopherloeppke4778]

Great info, thanks for the video, and the link.🔥👍

[@rivereto8252]

Děkuji za přínosné video. Zajímalo by mě kolik opasků lze vyrobit za osm hodin?

[@calebeno]

My mom bought me a leather tool kit for Christmas today. Came here to try and understand what all of the tools were 😅

[@Artzandcatz]

Thank you for this video!! You rock!!! I’m buying a little at a time, you are saving me tons of $$$!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I'm glad it helps! May as well benefit from my mistakes haha

[@robertgibbs5022]

just found your channel, very well made video thank you very much. Subscribed:)

[@lionsoulcreationsco]

Great information, thank you for sharing about other leather workers and places to buy. I've been a bit worried about who is or is not a good person/company to obtain better quality.

[@MeadowsOfSound]

I don't know if Berman Leather is still in business, because it has been a while, but they always had very nice stuff at good prices. And yeah FORGET trying to stamp or shape chrome-tanned leather! Other random notes: garment-weight leather can be sewn on a home machine for the most part, for all you costumers out there. 😊

[@robertk7484]

thank you! this possibly the most helpful advice video I have seen. for a hobbyist or someone considering a career, wonderful advice.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks, Robert! I'm happy you liked it!

[@bobruff7049]

Right on, I guess I got lucky with my first order being SB foot from OA leather

[@BigBoonski]

Hey thanks for this video. Very informative and I've been intrigued and interested in leather work for a long time. Look forward to diving into your Chanel.

[@rule1624]

can you point me to the video on what kind of leather to buy in making handbags please..Thank you

[@gregpeterson4800]

I subscribed off of this video because you had a lot of links to go with the information you were giving. Thank you. I’ve made one thing with leather 10+ years ago. Looking to actually get into it now.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks, Greg! I really appreciate it!

[@vladtheimpala5532]

Two things I want to learn how to do is make leather book bindings (both hardcover and flexible) and EDC pouches. That’s because I have an old Bible with a crappy “Genuine Leather” binding and I want to make a nice one. If I find that to be something I’m able to do, I might start refurbishing old books. I also have my Leatherman multi tool and some other tools I want to make a custom pouch for. I haven’t seen any that are the exact configuration I want.

[@dannymarkgraf34]

Do you have a link to the stitching pony you showed in the video? I'm looking to upgrade from my simple weaver pony, and the one you showed looked pretty sweet

[@gergemall]

Thank you. Glad I found your channel.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks for watching!

[@threecrosses9988]

You don’t want to use chrome tanned to use for knife sheaths or other metal objects since it will cause it to rust. Use vegetable tanned for these items. My understanding is chrome tanned is more for clothing items. I am sure there are other items it is used for….

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I believe this was once true, but I'm no longer convinced it is the case across the board. I've looked into it a bit and from what I can tell, using chrome tanned leather from the higher quality US tanneries should be perfectly safe on metal. Horween Chromexcel, for instance, is chrome tanned using state of the art methods, then essentially vegetable re-tanned and hot stuffed with oil and wax. There's no way there are enough residual chromium salts leftover to harm a blade and even if there were, it's locked behind a stupid amount of wax. I have two sheaths made from SB Foot oil tanned leather and Chromexcel leathers. I haven't had rust issues with either. I wouldn't recommend using any lower quality chrome leather from less reputable tanneries on a sheath, though, as I'd imagine your concerns are likely true of those. Thanks for the commenting! This is one of those hot topics where there is a ton of back and forth.

[@WindCrya]

Hey man, I'm really considering trying out some leather working and I just found your video. I just wanted to say you have some great video quality and audio. Your video is also clear and informative. You've got yourself a subscriber.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Hey, Aaron! I appreciate the kind words! Thanks so much!

[@desmondehoppie4758]

Great Information. Thank You for taking the time to make this video

[@robergroso]

you need more subs, your channel is best than others than you show it, they all are asmr but you are theaching things to us, and that it is more valuable to me. Thanks a lot.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks so much man! I'm glad you like it!

[@ldpuprazr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks for watching!

[@suelou9528]

Thanks for you hints & tips, really appreciate it. Cheers

[@maggieadams5991]

I was wondering, as I’m a beginner in this. I am doing motorcycle seats. So can I do tooling work on a little softer and thinner leather for seat covers?

[@Laniobrien]

Dont forget about chuck dorset from weaver leather

[@paulstephenson5311]

Thank you for an informative and nicely delivered video. My interest has been awakened.

[@markfleming3002]

Hey I’m a firefighter and I’m wanting to getting into leather work for firefighter like belts,suspenders, and etc how should I get started? Or who should I follow to learn to get started

[@GoldieJoRv]

I went to Tandy for a free class, really enjoyed it, now I need to practice, they had a stone to use to place my leather on do I need that? And very lost on the name of the tools. Any suggestions how to learn.

[@eyeteeoh_5117]

Is sb foot leather good for wallets?

[@gliddy6282]

Thank you brother. Very, very helpful.

[@Franklyn325IC]

i want a cover for my dog cage. hes 100lbs so its a big cage...... but how would i go about making something for him? or how do i find a leatherworker in my area willing to take on the job?

[@wmroese1]

Thank you for the great information.

[@wtfdinos]

Hi! I'm just curious, when you said to stay away from genuine leather, is there a reason not to get it for practice? I know you mentioned cheaper leather that isn't genuine leather for practice, but if it's cheaper to get genuine, why not just do that? Will it be different to work with? Thanks!

[@pennycandyys]

Hey all you leather workers, a few years back my son was given a small zippered like pencil case or whatever. It’s a name brand, so w been surprised at how rough it feels, it’s unpleasant to touch actually. A while ago I tried rubbing some mink oil (I think it was) on it…no difference. Then a bit ago I tried coconut, and I’ve also tried burnishing it with a spoon, but it hasn’t helped much. Any ideas how I can take the unpleasant texture away? Surely there’s a way?

[@TheCleanist]

Just subbed, I'm in Canada looking forward to learning from you

[@nathanstewart2018]

Any kit in particular from Amazon that you recommend? Seems like they have more stuff for less than buying pieces individually. Or would it be better to buy a pieced together set?

[@diegooland1261]

thanks for the video. I'm just starting out, a few basic leather book binding projects under my belt. What tool should I use to cut straight, small strips of goat leather? Some projects require a straight 10mm wide strip of leather. I find my strips curve rather than follow a straight line. I'm using a DeWalt snap knife because it's what I have in my tool box. Is there a better tool?

[@Dungeons_and_Crawdads]

Just now seeing this video a year later. Just got started into leatherworking and this was an amazing video for me! For any other newbies.. I STRONGLY 2nd the veg-tan leather to start.. I tried starting with chrome tan and immediately was dissatisfied not realizing how different the 2 could be.

[@ariccressey5226]

Thanks for the video, I have been working on perfecting my skills right when corona hit a few years ago. I want to have my own business in the near near future but I’m wondering, when you started, did you already have a few designs like wallets, bags, etc already made and ready to ship. Or did you just post pictures of what you know you can make and wait for people to inquire on what they want ? I have a good amount of “practice” items but not sure if I should use them as my pictures for reference. I guess I’m confused on how to market myself with what I can make and if I need to have them in stock. Any help is much appreciated! Thanks for he videos 😊

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I mostly made everything to order. I tend to try to keep one of each product I make on hand for pictures to promote myself. I'd only use practice items that have minimal or no mistakes. Or use good camera angles that don't show mistakes haha Thanks for watching!

[@Momo_Kawashima]

I've been interested in leatherworking since I was 14, but between a lack of money, my mother's constant "you wouldn't be good at it" and my being alone figuring out all the whats and hows I delayed beginning. Now I'm 22, I'm still broke and my mother still says "you wouldn't be good at it" (despite me literally doing plumbing, woodworking and metalworking on the fly whenever something breaks in the house and doing a pretty great job at it), but now I'm 22 and frankly I don't really care about her mind anymore and have more smarts to do my own research. My dead end now is sourcing the leather, I have absolutely no idea where to fetch good quality leather in Italy (yeah I know, the italian doesn't know where to find the materials for belts and jackets, I laugh about it myself). I'll have to ask some shoemakers and stuff where they get it and get a clue

[@traceyrenaud6480]

Are there any online leather craft learning you’d recommend?

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Lots. I would just search topics on KZbin and go down the rabbit hole. There are so many amazing teachers on there

[@pauldrew1130]

Thanks for sharing!

[@V3leathercraft]

Thanks for the FClamp idea👌👌👍🏽👍🏽....U Saved me from an Arbour Press for a time while 😜

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Haha, brother, I've been thinking about an arbour for a while now but man... The clamp works just fine and I've gotten pretty good at it.

[@V3leathercraft]

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods but in future, One Ton arbour will be must and useful ... For stamping, rivets, snap buttons, Dies etc.. Etc...

[@williamrichardson4110]

Hi man I just started thinking of trying to do start leather working I live on a farm and there is a lot of things I would like to fix but never done it iam interested in learning how but I am trying to find out more on it I was wondering if there r any books out there u recommend in learning this trade let me know please thank u

[@racquellroyster9322]

Just found this video. Thank you!

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks for watching!

[@patreeve9729]

Great vid. Thank you. I'm just starting and I needed a boost. You did it!

[@dannymaquelin4096]

I love your video's. I am going to start leather crafting and using you as a guide to get my starter kit, you have been a great help, thank you. I was just wondering which glue you would advice?

[@thtzwhtshezed]

The tool kit you linked is unavailable. Do you have any other recommendations?

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Try this one: amzn.to/3OdwzJE This is what I started with almost exactly. They aren't amazing tools but they can do the job. And they get you in the game for fairly cheap then you can upgrade later if you find you're into it.

[@thtzwhtshezed]

Thank you so much for such a quick reply!

[@angelpadilla6069]

Do you have a video on how to make the sheath at 6:25? I’m curious to know how you made the middle part stiff.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

I actually do! It's one of my early videos and not my best but I made that sheath using only a Swiss Army Knife in a challenge against my buddy Ira. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKqXen2PlLWEhNU

[@glenmorton9970]

Thanks

[@KpSrtYT]

Ok you said sub to you well I did an I appreciate your content my important question is I am black from Philadelphia an my dream is too create leather jackets how can I learn an happy new year

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Making a leather jacket is a really hard project. Especially if you do it by hand. I've never made one but if you look up "Zeebee Leather hand stitched jacket, you can see the one he made" a few years back. It took him 111 hours but the result is unreal. It is doable but you need to learn the basics first for sure.

[@charliecharly4444]

Really great and informative video.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks, Charlie!

[@biekgiek]

Thank you!

[@robertboice4743]

How do you wet mold leather

[@lowspeak]

Made a mistake of skipping step 3 lol. I still have loads of leagher that I don't use (chrome tanned)

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

It's an easy mistake to make! I bet there will finally come a time where it's the perfect leather for something you're making though. Thanks for watching!

[@carlton1986]

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you. Subscribed. 🙏

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Thanks for watching! Much appreciated!

[@conniechung6948]

Is Tokonol used like mink oil?

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

No. Tokonole is used for burnishing edges. Mink oil is a conditioner. Although you probably could burnish with mink oil, it'd probably just look messy afterward.

[@Theimpromptulife]

Great information thank you! 😊

[@jeegupopli1871]

I want to build a leather grappling dummy of 50-100kilos will this help

[@equiryder]

This is video #1 for me, very helpful thank you. I was wondering if you took any courses in leather working? I'm a new sub here right off the bat. Will go look at your other videos for beginners. I'm a bit late in life to start into leather crafting but funny thing is, I did some as a hobby when I was a kid and its been gnawing at me all these years.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

Good to have you here! And you're never too old to start. I started at 34 and many others start older than that! I never took any courses but had a leather worker kind of take me under his wing and teach me.

[@equiryder]

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Ah thx, good to know. I'll keep watching and learning.

[@MrBone777]

I got a 4 hour add before this video so this one has to be a real helpful for that. 😂

[@Ades1973]

Great video, even better when I saw one of my wallets on it. Lol. Great tips, explained well.

[@BlackFlagLeatherGoods]

That's awesome! I'm glad you made the cut hahaha Thanks for watching!!

[@Lolikuki-g3]

Very interesting unfortunately you could’ve have showing us the product more and the sample of the subtle stitching that would’ve been a bonus