How to Steal A YouTube Video

[@Pinely]

This whole saga was on my mind a lot over the past few days so I decided to make a little bonus video about it. this is NOT part of the Pinely show canon

[@tennicksalvarez9079]

I was only able to find ur channel because i saw hasan watching ur video (and i knew how some people felt about some streamer reacting to other contend) i decided to watch the original (u have a lot of good works) because it was shorter than hasan reaction

[@Plimpert]

I also found your channel from Hasan’s stream. I hope he is able to get that channel taken down so this doesn’t happen again.

[@J5L5M6]

You're my favorite Disney prince, bro. You're dashing and intelligent.

[@Screact]

i always try to credit youtubers when i react to them (except when i don't approve of the channel) this means linking in the description having the name in the title and put the name in the video using graphics i also say almost every time that the links are in the description and i try to add at least as much content time as the original video i also generally do not use youtubers original thumbnails and make my own all in all being a reaction channel is easy it does not take a lot to give credit

[@Screact]

can't Hassan/you copyright claim there videos to have them removed individual

[@Kwiteee]

Using other folk’s content in your own is already a tricky minefield to maneuver, but clip channels like that wholesale uploading the entire thing and erasing the original creator from its identity is like giving up and jumping belly first on the IED’s, hope that some way to regulate reuploaded stuff like that is available soon for creators like you my friend

[@RandomStryder]

Yeah I agree, it's absolutely wrong and the fact that music will instantly get copyrighted on videos because of royalties even if they're non-copyright yet a video someone worked on for a long time can just be uploaded by someone else with absolutely no worry of being caught by KZbin is crazy.

[@soapercereal5914]

Yeah it’s really unfair to the people have spent their blood and cum on their video. That shit pisses me off :\

[@GeeTonicDee]

Didn't expect you here Kwite!

[@jollygreenjeff2640]

Kwite!!

[@Brandstiftung]

Nice to see you showing support Kwite!!

[@ManCarryingThing]

this stuff is insane, thanks for speaking out about it - but truly the biggest crime was that thumbnail, lol. big "how do i make sure this looks stolen" energy

[@naruii5160]

@Cultured Anime Waifu [Russian Waifu] op is a fan of hasan

[@cjeeva5207]

Yo

[@hop-skip-ouch8798]

Darkviper made a series of videos trying to bring this exact bs to light.

[@Lucaz99]

@Cultured Anime Waifu [The most cultured account] oooh should have watched the video before making a comment

[@lx4079]

@Cultured Anime Waifu [The most cultured account] oh no it's the Loli fascist of vaush's comment section

[@HassanKhadair]

I’m glad you’re speaking up my man

[@neonoir8537]

if i could punch you i would

[@Me-wx1mt]

M-Mickey mouse?

[@madonut6836]

COOL MAN

[@OfficiallySnek]

These "clips" channels are just blatantly stealing videos

[@pathfinder7544]

For a moment I thought that it was Hassan Hassan

[@BananaMonstaaaa]

Glad to see this is blowing up, it is a real issue that even relatively small creators face. KZbin is flooded with so much stolen content these days it's amazing anyone even tries to make an original video anymore, so thanks for all the hard work!

[@gempower8029]

KZbin support is insane the creators literally have to cry and beg for their help on Twitter. Crazy part is it's the only thing that works.

[@vetreas366]

Except for when it doesn't and causes YT to start filing through their videos to demonetize/strike them by retroactively applying arbitrary and vaguely worded new rules.

[@YaBoiJonesy]

And since Twitter is such a shitshow the spaces we can reach for help is fading fast.

[@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070]

See that one crazy lady pulled up to YT headquarters with a real stick up her ass and we were somehow confused for years...

[@Lucaz99]

KZbinrs and Twitch streamers will be in shambles if Twitter actually goes under. They have no other reliable way to communicate about their issues as f***** as that sounds.

[@creatrixZBD]

My 2 false strikes are just a wet fart in the wind. I’m not even big enough to be monetised, but surprise surprise the channels I was critiquing are YT darlings (Dateline and Matt Walsh) and could get their YT liaison to overlook fair use and make an unlawful copyright claim. I was not allowed to argue, just cop the strike. YT doesn’t care about creators or content. Just money

[@oliviazbored]

ur so real for talking about this bc this happens to a lot of creators and it’s good to see ppl talking about it especially talking about content farms and how they will blatantly steal content and not credit the OP

[@GalvanizedKeller5938]

This is one of the many topics that DarkViperAU talks about significantly in his series against react content and video's like the topic of this one.

[@madkingnarfi]

@@GalvanizedKeller5938 Also Jay Exci who was actually really polite and well mannered about it all but got shat on by these twitch reactors

[@brainfreeze3175]

I’ll be honest.. I wound Hyup here and subscribing because of that same video LOL. It’s Judy how KZbin ecosystem is unfortunately. But I’ll search for original creator and come and subscribe …

[@dwightd.eisenhower2031]

Happens to Charlie a lot too, that’s to be expected though

[@ddjsoyenby]

yup sadly.

[@workinprogress3329]

Content farms are the worst thing to happen to KZbin.

[@ddjsoyenby]

exactly, it hurts people who actually put work into their content.

[@bensonbatavia]

@@livingmasquerade1418 yt contacts the streamer directly and asks

[@Theneves15]

@@livingmasquerade1418 Unfortunately, creators like hasan and charlie would have to "approve" the fan channels and copyright strike all others. I see no other solution

[@justcallmejudge]

@@livingmasquerade1418 i don't think uploading a full hour unedited vod of the streamer is what you can call a fan.

[@justcallmejudge]

@@okayida im not saying as the viewer, im saying as the guy posting it. if you wanna watch the vods, go for an official source then.

[@Lwhale.3797]

The frustrating thing about all this is that, even in the context of YOUR OWN channel, this video (still well-made & articulate, but rushed and reactive) which has a more famous person on the thumbnail has 500k+ views compared to the ORIGINAL video that started it all (the one that took 3 weeks to make full of insightful commentary and great production) which has only 200k+ views. I blame the algorithm. Your videos are fantastic, and looking forward to more. 😊😊

[@TheSilverwing999]

That's because the new video has added commentary on it from a second person and is more entertaining though

[@ajeet16]

I’m watching this video first bc of the algorithm but I’m going to watch the og vid after. Maybe I’ll also watch Hasan’s commentary too as long it’s from a compilation channel😂

[@myoak108]

Because this isn't the same topic. I'm not interested in 'radicalization of celebrities' but content theft? Oh yea, I wanna see. Also Hasan is just scummy trash so I'm not surprised to see he steals content, literally pasting himself over thumbnails.

[@myoak108]

E: even if Hasan didn't make the content himself, his content farms are of the same quality as himself. Much like how there are 200 channels posting XqC clips, all to scrape and scum their living from others work. (and sorry I can't edit comment, YT in mobile browser is _big bad_)

[@alexandertyree7672]

I feel like creators are afraid to speak out about these things because they are afraid of being seen as money hungry or attention seeking, and it's a shame. I appreciate when creators speak out against what hurts them because it can allow me to avoid those things when I see them. Thank you for bringing this up!

[@TheMoonlightMage]

Weird how that works when a corporation will steal your money for humming two seconds of a song

[@dorkchops]

@@TheMoonlightMage THIS

[@Jay-fs2nw]

Jay Exci did a whole video based on Hasan reacting to one of his long video, although it hits on different points, I think it's still relevant for this issue

[@Dr_Adam]

I am experiencing this same issues on my channel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5mUm6WHm9eAbLM

[@lorenebonsu146]

If you spend weeks on something or even pour your heart and soul into your hard work you would be gutted if someone stole it with no credit your work. Nothing to do with money.

[@iitsdestt]

I’m the type of person who watches these vods, I never even thought of how negatively it can impact small creators. Thank you for speaking up and educating us on how negative these channels can be!

[@oh_its_noodle]

the streamer shouldn't even be live streaming the content in the first place.

[@homegrown4335]

@@oh_its_noodle reaction content has value in the content ecosystem This is not to say that this Vod channel is valid. This is to say the streamer shouldn’t catch fire for streaming reactions

[@oh_its_noodle]

@@homegrown4335 The only person who wins from reaction content is the person reacting to it

[@ezzb]

@@oh_its_noodle not true. Pinely himself talked how the reaction was beneficial, created a lot of traffic for him and his channel. Is literally free publicity. Specially if it's a big channel like Hassan.

[@repawn3610]

holy shit do people like you even exist damn faith in humanity restored

[@INVINCIBLE840]

i remember when i initially started watching charlie and hasanabi, i'd get MORE recommendations from these compilation channels than the creators themselves. i'd always find it shady bcuz it'd recc me the same video that i just watched on the actual channel but with the word "reacts" next to it. youtube does not deserve to have this monopoly over video content they're SO bad at handling themselves. the only reason i'm still here is bcuz my fav creators are here. thanks for talking about this pinely man.

[@lelesthing]

i remember i found hasan from his actual channel and i thought one of the clip channels was his second channel lmao it’s bad

[@weirdyoutubechannels]

my videos are worse than pinely's videos!

[@oORoOFLOo]

You gotta be simple af to watch those two in the first place

[@demonking86420]

Charlie is fine but really? Hasan "America deserved 9/11" Piker? Sir, what are you thinking

[@BobtheX]

I actually really fucking hate how Charlie just became another streamer. His videos fucking suck now, it's just him saying stupid shit for two minutes before cutting over to the VOD from his stream. So fucking boring to hear him just regurgitate other people's youtube videos.

[@onesadtech]

Great work dude, you are super articulate in explaining what is clearly an extremely frustrating situation. I mainly try to only watch VOD re-uploads of channels owned by creators who have said they don't mind it. I had never considered the impact it could have on the creator they are reacting to, although reaction content is generally not what I watch anyway. Anyway, this is the first video I have seen of yours, and much like Hassan, I immediately like your content's style.

[@TheSphereHunter]

I'm really glad you raised awareness about this Orr. ✊

[@TheCannibalLlama]

Did not expect to see you here 😮

[@mrcocoloco7200]

Resident Evil Time!

[@maccamachine]

Damn you watch pinely

[@eyeballjay]

yay you watch Pinely!

[@imjustgery]

hasL ♥️

[@OfficiallySnek]

Reminds me of those "shorts" channels that will just slap on a video of them playing a game below a stolen video. Just plain scummy!

[@breakdancingfly2852]

Funny thing is that sometime they even steal the gameplay footage

[@LordOfElysium]

Those are only like a minute long tho.. lmao

[@NotoriousLightning]

I think that's kind of cool actually. These sobbing creators like Pinely need to chillax if you ask me.

[@blaghgames5050]

@@NotoriousLightning ok

[@gege1178]

@@LordOfElysium yeah they always have like a bjillion parts so that you would go and check out their pf to see the full story

[@Vampress09]

The fact that even big names like Hasan and MoistCritikal can't do anything about it is the most hopeless part of it. What the fuck is youtube team doing??

[@NotBroihon]

Yesterday on stream Hasan said that he's in contact with YT about this. Let's hope for the best.

[@JBravoEcho09]

Worrying about swear words according to Moist :-/

[@msf_recursion]

The KZbin team is wasting time moderating swearing.

[@reidye]

Critikal is one of these channels now. Why would he want it to stop?

[@prdprdprdprdprdel]

Do you know how much effort it takes doing actually important things like looking for a 3s clip of a child near a firework so they can strike the 15minute video it's in!?

[@Lielai]

How to Steal A KZbin Video | HasanAbi reacts to Pinely

[@SaladSaiyan]

Saw you mention this on Twitter, glad to see you speaking up about this! It's a big issue that I don't see being talked about as much as it should

[@Siren9609]

It's a surprise finding you here

[@adreeeandanothere510]

What if idea: What if goku was a content creator

[@matthewspangler8725]

What if idea: What if Begita got pregnant with Goku's cuck baby? Please illustrate the live birth thank you

[@kodahyphenlee]

@@adreeeandanothere510 what if: goku radicalised a celebrity

[@obithegamer]

What if goku was a twitch streamer

[@rudynotrudy]

The fact that you had to “make a scene” to get something done is crazy, and it’s sad that’s how it is nowadays. More of us need to make a scene together

[@GeorgeDCowley]

Make a scene about the need to make a scene.

[@maesi6974]

Revolution!!!!

[@weirdyoutubechannels]

my videos are way worse than pinely's

[@OrgaNik_Music]

@@weirdyoutubechannels You're not wrong there

[@BarackLesnar]

General strike. Worker solidarity worldwide

[@MrCatTheII]

Someone should make a site where theres every movie and tv series for free but theres in a corner xqc doing nothing.

[@zgamez129]

that would be illegal but incredibly funny

[@Raelice]

Been the victim of this a few times now and I'm really glad you made this video. It's something that I think many creators don't want to talk about because of the backlash but I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your thoughts.

[@ravensrcorvids]

yooo its that cool vtuber cat guyy

[@naejin]

Kind of reminds me when Anime Music Videos (AMVs) were really popular 10-15 yrs ago, and AMV editors would post their creations on YT, then these other businesses would collect all the best editors' AMVs & repost them on their channel, and these channels would consistently get a lot more views than the creating editors.

[@nundulan]

Damn that's a deep cut I remember those AMVs

[@RodolfoAmbriz]

good old times

[@bkk1996]

This is not a fan channel. This is an opportunist channel. Any fan of Hasan should fundamentally disagree with this type of content stealing garbage. Sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine how disappointed this must be. I loved the video. Hopefully the extra eyes on your channel will get your views up a bit. You deserve them.

[@IamSpacedad]

We Hasanabi heads definitely do disagree with that kind of content stealing garbage! Hasan even came out angrily yesterday against that channel and revealed that he has been working behind the scenes with his production folks, dating from long before Pinley's content was stolen, to try to get youtube to stop them. We're all on the same page on stopping this shit it seem.

[@Deingel12]

lmao the mental gymnastics on this Hasan already steals content, and yet you claim a real fan wouldnt?

[@kyrroti]

The same Hasan who has played KZbin content without reacting, occasionally not even on stream with the video playing?

[@deliaisdying6404]

@@kyrroti I get your point but the dude steams everyday for nine hours, he's going to need to go pee or something.

[@emerald6597]

@@kyrroti he gets up to pee or cook constantly regardless of the content. guy has to eat lmao

[@jhamPlays]

Can't wait for streamers to react to this and then watch it in an hour long compilation

[@hooniesdiamond]

You're so right, I've unknowingly watched so many of these reuploads of Critikal's streams and even got happy to watch him react to videos from smaller creators that i love, but knowing this now it breaks my heart to see that in reality they're being stepped on to make a lazy person a bigger paycheck. As much as I appreciate vods and reuploads as someone who doesn't have time to watch long streams regularly, it's not worth it when smaller creators are suffering from it

[@cavanmorber3238]

I felt the same way, I've been recommended multiple of this guy's videos and have considered clicking on them but didn't because they felt...off? The thumbnail was very clickbaity and I figured I would just watch the original video. I'm glad I have been doing that.

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

DarkViperAU made a great video about react channels and how they steal content. You might have heard of him from the drama he had with Charlie and in response he doubled down with his series that was long in the making.

[@cavanmorber3238]

@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs I did see that, but there were some...interesting things that Viper said....

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

@@cavanmorber3238 You didn’t see the video, his words in his tweet previously, were let’s say, a bit over the top. All of his videos were a hit out of the park with evidence. Suggest looking at his videos as those were much more concise and wasn’t a quick outburst of emotions.

[@cavanmorber3238]

@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs Fair enough

[@ez_is_bloo]

Man I feel this right now. I spent 23 hours making an artwork just to get 1k likes only for the reposter to get 3k. What's worse is he claimed it as his and he doesn't even respond💀

[@steampunk-llama]

Hope you reported the reposter :O From a fellow artist, it’s literally one of the worst things that can happen rip

[@NotQuiteFirst]

I know an artist IRL who has 1+ million followers on Instagram. I was speaking to her once about this issue and she said that when she first saw people reposting her work (when she had a much smaller following) she hated it, tried to get things taken down etc, and thought her work was being "stolen", but eventually she realised that people sharing good work on reposting channels actually helped her, the audience found her work and she became popular and successful.

[@61subsandnovideos]

@@NotQuiteFirst yeah but thats cus someone prolly credited her. op's comment was about someone not crediting them. honestly if i were op i'd strike that post down with a copyright infringement notice

[@enough2715]

@@NotQuiteFirst sure.

[@doghat1619]

@@NotQuiteFirst does she have 1+ million followers on instagram because 1: people reuploaded her artwork without credit or 2: she makes good art work and uploads regularly The reason for her own success is because of her own merits. content thieves have only been a roadblock that she had overcome despite their attempts to stifle her growth

[@spagussy]

This video explaining the situation now has more views than the actual video in question, amazing

[@Pinely]

this website is too silly

[@BonnieBoestar]

React content is some of the lowest effort shlock that anyone can make. There is some very basic value to it, but unless you're an expert or critic with a lot of knowledge on the reacted content, you can't inject any personality.

[@illpunchyouintheface9094]

@quarlie1086the probably is he played the whole video and that extra 30 minutes is meaningless. He should of only played the parts that he wanted to view and comment on with something of importance.

[@acciomegapint2373]

This Pinely is becoming more and more underrated...

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

I don't think you know what underrated means

[@releasethekraken5039]

You mean more like a breadtuber?

[@akiraeatsguitarpicks491]

@@releasethekraken5039 he doesn’t do videos on bread?

[@80lemon80]

Lol a person getting more popular and getting more views does not translate to them getting more “underrated”

[@chroma._.5986]

when you don’t know what underrated means

[@crow8173]

i love being able to watch this while it's still warm

[@badger6882]

hell yeah

[@PrinceZam]

I love how real you are for posting about this on the channel

[@golden_bing2933]

@Cultured Anime Waifu [Russian Waifu] you did not watch the video

[@kyleleehufnagel]

@@golden_bing2933 naw, they are very active Hasan hate watcher. Boosting the videos in the algorithm by clicking on literally every link in a weird discord that posts every upload by almost every Hasan Clip Channel and then posts weak bait in the comments. It’s wild

[@captainsprinkles6557]

I love how you post the generic vague and entirely unoriginal comment that could be used on literally any video. Can we just take a moment to appreciate this guy's verified checkmark? Who's still liking random verified youtube channels in 2023?

[@kyleleehufnagel]

@@captainsprinkles6557 you sound hurt, boy.

[@captainsprinkles6557]

@@kyleleehufnagel Don’t remember talking to you, girl

[@BenCaesar]

Instagram updated an algorithm that favors the original creator. KZbin should follow suit

[@Wolfasd0]

Found you through Hasan, and it totally sucks that this vod channel has done this. Hoping KZbin will quickly fix it, even Hasan is trying to get that Copyright claiming channel gone, without taking down the rest of Hasan's fans clip channels.

[@gnome_child]

The sad thing is that this channel is the most consistent with the most recent clips out of all the fan channels. Its justba shame the guy running it is such a piece of shit

[@PoorPlyser]

It's the Hasan industrial clips Complex

[@saladman420]

I thought that Hassan didn’t care that there are a ton of channels who are reposting his content….

[@armanpamma9454]

@@saladman420well not when copyright claiming other channels and blatantly trying to take viewers from other people

[@saladman420]

@@armanpamma9454 oh okay that makes sense

[@ChuTheCreator]

Found you thru the Radicalization video (which I loved). But subbed cause of this one. Thanks for being courageous enough to speak out about a real problem with the platform right now. I hope you keep growing and growing

[@straightjacket_kickboxer]

I have a feeling that this video right here will blow up, given that it's in my recommended despite me only rarely watching Hasan, so at least something good comes out of this situation. I think you're addressing an issue that resonates with many content creators on KZbin. It must have bothered them for a really long time, and rightfully so - I wouldn't want people to essentially steal and profit off of something I have worked on for hours either, it's a really simple concept to understand.

[@MG142-k9b]

Happy to hear that you spoke up about it ! Stealing other people’s work should be hit with a warning. Keep up the good work !

[@blinkfilms1]

As somebody who doesn't watch a lot of streams live I find value in reuploads of reactions. But when the video is taking credit away from the original poster and it isn't edited, that really sucks. I just hope that this shakes out in your favor.

[@ghgvxcb8105]

Omg Mr breast can I have a millon dolars

[@rolemodel1989]

He is credited and this type of video only opens his work to a very very much larger audience and benefits him...

[@Smileyreal]

@@rolemodel1989 Reuploading peoples videos takes attention away from their video and onto yours, you take viewers (and ad revenue) off that person

[@NihongoWakannai]

@@rolemodel1989 i guess streamers should also be able to upload entire movies too right? Because it just opens that movie to a whole new audience!

[@Dan_Kanerva]

@@NihongoWakannai movies are massive projects that take TONS of people , TONS of planning , TONS of work , TONS of time , and millions of dollars... and you are here comparing them to amateur ass dudes , who barely know the basics of editing and do glorified rant videos. Of course nobody cares about stealing from a KZbinr , but a movie is a WAY different thing

[@emdrake04]

Been here for about 3 yrs. Ive always loved your channel, even back when you had the suited box character. You have developed so much a creator and Im glad your speaking up about this situation.

[@MedlifeCrisis]

Did anything show up in your copyright tab in Studio? Or was it tweaked enough not to show up? I assume if they've been getting away with it for this long, they've figured out a way to evade claims somehow...?

[@Pinely]

Nah nothing showed up over there, found out about it manually

[@triangularsphere]

The way your shoulder is still showing in the thumbnail is sending me

[@CATLITmusic]

imagine getting three weeks of your work just straight up stolen and then finding out that what happened to you is just a symptom of a whole streamer vod freebooting empire

[@ObsidianLife]

LOL! Reminds me of being a musician during the Napster years...part of why I quit.

[@visvge4934]

You quit because of Napster? Good riddance

[@enderjuiceHQ]

this shit happening is so unreal and even something as simple as leaving a link to the original video isnt done either ffs

[@killykid5779]

What's horrible is that instead of dealing with crap like this, KZbin stupidly updates their policy, which they don't mention to anyone btw, that gets a lot of videos/channels demonetized. Great job team KZbin 👏👏👏

[@weirdyoutubechannels]

the banner from my profile channel will give you suggestion

[@Eddgarur]

This is why Hasan is dumb when he says “I don’t care if other people upload my content on KZbin and monetises it” because it’s not always just Hasan’s content. Maybe Hasan shouldn’t have created this in the first place.

[@steveweast475]

Wait Hasan makes content? Doesn't he just steal literally every video he makes?

[@goldenmolelover]

came from hasans stream, fuck that "fan channel" and everything they manage. you deserve so much more love and attention on that insanely well made video, and im so sorry that people just piggyback off hasan being popular instead of giving credit to you :(

[@sydney5225]

Hasan has signed off on these clip channels for years. He has always been able to copyright strike them down but hes said he doesn’t do it because he feels he is doing these clip channels a favor. Go tell your streamer not to sign off on an entire complex he has a nickname for that’s stealing peoples content they worked so hard on

[@declaringpond2276]

@@sydney5225 yeah because they upload HASANS content, people watch the videos FOR HASAN. This specific channel is ran by some shady people who directly rip videos and thumbnails from several content creators. Hasan doesn't care if someone uploads his take on Elon being an idiot, his main KZbin channel pays his editors, and he's glad people can make a quick buck from his content. Many other streamers will just take the pennies of profit for themselves

[@noThankyou-g5c]

Ive always thought it was cool how hasan lets clip channels use his content but I never thought about how it hurts other creators. You bring up a good point. Also it’s actually pretty easy for anybody to claim or strike a video. It’s kind of a problem how easy it is. You couldve claimed them pretty easily and they wouldve had to sue you in your home country if they wanted to keep it up which obviously isn’t something they’d spend resources doing.

[@declaringpond2276]

Most of the stuff Hasan reacts to is news and other streamers, when it comes to KZbin videos its rarely anyone who doesn't want their videos to be watched. Most of the KZbin commentaries he watches are are content creators who are friends with Hasan and want him to watch his videos

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

It's a scummy practice from top to bottom. KZbinrs need to DMCA these streamers more, and streaming needs to die. It's content poison.

[@declaringpond2276]

@@TheSearchForTruth88 so you want video game companies to dmca playthroughs? You want to make the already hellish dmca involving music even more worse?

[@TheSearchForTruth88]

@@declaringpond2276 Where the fuck did I bring up video games or music? I am talking about streamers with no talent watching other people's content, who actually have talent, AKA a content farm to fill in time. Please argue my actual point, not your own.

[@declaringpond2276]

@@TheSearchForTruth88 You understand that once you start that DMCA you open up video game companies to do the same, they legally can, just look at Nintendo they have a history of copyrighting playthroughs. If they felt like it, any content that wasn't "transformative" which is subjective, would be copyright struck. Music has been a big issue and honestly I'm surprised you support harash limits on creativity after seeing the results of the music dmca plague yourself, why do you want to enforce even more restrictions towards content creators?

[@TheCommunistColin]

Got introduced to your channel by Hasan reacting to your video - so sorry that this unfortunate and gross situation is your first major interaction with Hasan and his community. I'm glad that you were able to get a boost from him reacting as a silver lining at least. I'd love to potentially see a collab between you and him in the future in some way, maybe he'd be open to it to make up for this business with the clip channel. Either way though, will gladly check out your other videos and stick around for future ones.

[@phaeste]

Hasan ia already working on getting the reuploaded stream clip taken down, he didnt upload it after all

[@DarkZerol]

To note, HasanAbi (Hasan Piker) do not own that KZbin channel nor post any of his stream or VODs on KZbin because prominent Twitch content creators have strict established contractual agreement with Twitch thus are only allowed to stream and have their streaming contents only exclusively be made available on Twitch. The KZbin channel is operated by some third-party or individual who downloaded the stream off Twitch and uploaded it to KZbin which technically isn't allowed based off Twitch terms of service.

[@jpegjpg]

@@DarkZerol This is just not true. Exclusive Twitch streamers are allowed to post on you tube. They are not allowed to STREAM on you tube. Did Hasan himself upload this, no. It was one of his editors but it's still his channel and he and his editors and who ever manages his brand are the ones reaping the rewards not some third party with no association to Hassan.

[@willywonka7812]

@@jpegjpg this sounds made up by you. Show proof

[@Sam-gf5ln]

@@jpegjpg hasan's editors?? obviously they didnt upload the video lmao it's not their channel

[@InterestingPros]

This is the first video I’ve watched on this channel, and it just makes me wanna watch the rest of your stuff

[@NicoleUntch]

I’m so glad you brought this to light. I watched the video 100% thinking it was Hassan’s channel and it’s crazy how these bots and corporations can get away with making money by straight up stealing basically both of your videos 😮

[@motherlove8366]

It wouldn't be any less stealing or shady if it were Hasan's channel

[@rotissary4331]

I think you made a great decision talking about this. It's really helping bring light to content-stealing channels and the people it's impacting. Thanks for sharing

[@CrystalBall-.-]

Same thing happens with Critikal’s VODS a lot. Sometimes he’ll react to a channel like Tuv and the reuploaded VOD will get more views than the original

[@harrydoesnt]

Thank you man for posting this so I'm aware. I live on these vods and twitch and I had no idea. Great work on your videos, I'll check more of them out for sure. Stay strong brother. 💪

[@hackerling]

i hate looking up a video and seeing a wall of "[insert streamer name] reacts to [insert video name]" sorry people are taking advantage of you and your content in this way. its one thing being okay with a big streamer you enjoy putting eyes and commentating on your vids (which is still controversial in some ways, but it's completely up to the individual and i think they've gotten much better with encouraging their audience to go directly to the channels/videos and gas up the people they watch from), but its a completely other thing for a content leech reuploading it on the exact same platform you upload on to take advantage of BOTH parties. i wish there was some kind of real resolution to this, but youtube is too busy being mad at people saying swear words to do anything meaningful. not only that, but it seems like the only real way to get anything fixed is to yell at youtube on twitter or get a bigger creator to also yell at youtube on twitter lol

[@LiliumOrientalis]

Hacker watches Pinely? Based

[@zinja0830]

I love how I got suggested this video an hour after this was uploaded even though I'm subscribed to neither of you. Hopefully this will get more eyes on that essay you worked so hard on.

[@shawnv9135]

Same here. The KZbin algorithm is extremely well designed. It knows we watch the hasanabi clip complex and realized this was somehow related

[@zinja0830]

@@shawnv9135 the funny thing is I don't even watch hasanabi clips. I think it's just because I'm plugged into the commentary community and have watched occasional youtubers upload their own twitch clips that the algorithm decided this was for me. I also watched the original essay as a result and loved it. I became a new subscriber so they must have something right.

[@ayeeeerin4999]

It’s weird because I had no idea about any of this prior to this video and I binge watched all of your videos last night simply because I love your work. I can’t imagine how that feels. You have some great takes that this world needs

[@uniworkhorse]

This is what scares me into not making videos sometimes... Seeing other people's videos be stolen (and it has happened to me with original meme edits a ton), is really discouraging to smaller creators who want to put something out there. I absolutely hate content farms jeez. Everyone knows watermarking videos is useless, especially for faceless content. Glad that this was YOUR video, your face, your voice. Imagine if you didn't show your face how much worse the sharing would be... Put your stamp on your videos anyway possible and keep making stuff.

[@Fuffy27]

I actually hadn't even seen your original video, just the Hasan reaction VOD. Your point on the videos being direct competition is 100% true. I feel bad but at the time I didn't even realize what was happening. Hopefully youtube actually deals with channels like that one.

[@ripple329]

I glad you spoke about this because I have YT premium so I don’t actually notice when a video is monetized since I don’t see the ads. I like to rewatch hasans reactions in the evening and I like that they edit out the twitch ad breaks, but I didn’t realize they could monetize those videos. I had already watched your video so I didn’t watch that stream but it sucks knowing that other creators I’ve watched in the past are getting skimmed for views.

[@madispaced]

This is a huge problem that i am glad you are speaking out against. I think that hasan and alot of youtubers/ streamers arent even fully aware of the level of content stealing and reuploading that is going on especially on their "behalf" . Bottom line it needs to be addressed. Justice for Pinely. Give him all the views retroactively

[@ThousandDollarSparkler]

i watched his reaction live and your video afterwards to see it without all the pauses/stunlocks …. like a good community member 😊

[@Skrumpel]

man this shit fresh out the oven gotdamn

[@spockola]

Only found out about you through Hasan, now I know about and like your content. I'm sorry you had this experience with these scumbags, but hopefully getting more exposure to your work will turn it around and make it into a positive.

[@somewhat-blue]

This is true - I’m also only here because I found out about this channel through Hasan.

[@profess0r513]

Exactly, this dude is now getting a ton more views now. All because of the fan channel. Ok they are making money from his content, but HE is making much more than he did before it was 'stolen'. People didn't want to watch his original video, they wanted to watch Hasan's analysis. The only real issue is the thumbnail being so misleading. Otherwise thus is a lucky dude who has many more opportunities in the future, all because his work was 'stolen'

[@Yorokobi224]

@@profess0r513 I watched Pinely's vid the day before Hasan reacted. I kinda fangirled when I saw he was getting covered during the stream. I don't think people didn't want to watch Orr's video just that a lot of people don't know they exist

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

@@profess0r513 it might blow him up but the content being stolen doesn’t justify the exposure. I’m no expert but if the YT algorithm is used, it could’ve gotten him just as much. Thousands of watches and clicks through YT (especially multiple videos or series) would result in a boost just as much. This is a rare case in which it was good. The fault is not just on the VOD channel but on Hasan or reaction as a whole really. KZbinrs can put tens of hours, even hundreds of hours, into content. When someone can easily just react and not give them the views or clicks for videos (especially multiple) is just horrible. If the KZbinrs wanted to give exposure to these smaller creators they would give them a shoutout and or not watch a video or series in its entirety. It’s hard to do that though since the feeling the creators give is admirable and the care they do have for the community is commendable. It feels like you are watching something with a friend and it’s fun but damaging to smaller creators. Pinely is cool with it, like most are, but it shouldn’t be at all. At least it shouldn’t uploaded to YT since Pinely’s video is already on the site. DarkViperAU made a great video about react channels and how they steal content. You might have heard of him from the drama he had with Charlie and in response Matto doubled down with his series that was long in the making.

[@ryannnm]

Same. I literally subscribed mid stream. And unsubscribed from the clip channel (hasanabi compilations) 😅

[@gm.m]

Great and fair summarization! Love your essays, awesome stuff hasL

[@StudMotions]

All the homies like Pinely

[@HolliGenett]

I know this will not make you feel better about the situation, but I'm one of those new subscribers because I saw Hasan's reaction. I'm enjoying your work!

[@Skrogansauce]

Long time fan of you, was pretty excited when Hasan finally saw one of your videos. Hasan allowing anyone to use IP has been usually a positive but this situation sucks, hopefully more people knowing about the bot farms will get more scrutiny from KZbin

[@LF-pe9ok]

Thank you for standing up for what’s right.

[@kidamnesiak1]

It is crazy and kind of admirable that Hasan allows (many) different channels to rip his stream segments to their own channels and monetize them. But that said, I definitely see why you'd consider those clip channels taking your video, AND using the same title and thumbnail as over the line. Hasan is a huge streamer on a different platform, so him doing reactions is justified in terms of publicity and not directly stepping on toes IMO. But these clip channels are harder to justify when using the video of a much smaller creator and not pointing to you, and the fact they're on the same platform. Hasan uploads some clips to KZbin himself, but NOT from streams of him reacting to small creators AFAIK.

[@renji4619]

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[@mlmfshjm7962]

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[@w花b]

Because it doesn't matter if smaller creators steal his thumbnail because he's making much more money by simply reacting to videos. There's nothing admirable, he can simply afford It financially because it barely has an impact. And it's been proven times and times again that reaction content does not provide exposure. Most videos he reacts to sometimes don't even reach the amount channels reuploading his reaction on KZbin get. That's not just him but everyone doing this.

[@begoade9795]

@@w花b holy based response

[@mjf773]

Imagine artists and musicians having their stuff stolen all the time and have literally no one know who they are or how they look. Good on you standing up to it. Those views should be going to you

[@BlackComet95]

There isn't a lot of times where one can feel proud for being a part of the VTuber community, but this might be such instance. VTubing community is all about clips, heck, most people don't really watch streamers themselves, they just watch edited and translated clips of their favorite VTubers. But those clips are always made by actual fans, and they usually have great relations with the talents themselves. When one time a clipper wanted to make a scummy business out of it, he was downvoted into oblivion, until he deleted his channels. I hope something like that can happen in this sphere too.

[@XXXXX8]

Ew, vtubers are whack.

[@justcallmejudge]

i think vtubing companies know that those are free marketing and allow (for now) the whole reposting. at least those are clips with edits and translations which allows them to market bigger than their native speaking countries. meanwhile these are just straight up vods cut down to a shorter length.

[@greyscaleadaven]

Yeah rules surrounding the clipping in vtubing is way ahead of its time, which is probably why they're so successful and have international outreach. If clippers know what's okay and what's not, it creates a safer environment for them and the viewers as well knowing they're not watching stolen content. It can also incentivize translators to clip too if there's guidelines surrounding the ethical practices to follow when it comes to translation/clipping. The strict accountability held in the community towards other community members while taken a little too far for my liking at times, ultimately benefits the vtubing scene when someone steps out of line like with the translators or clippers trying to start memberships and patreons.

[@ArDeeMee]

Always give credit to the original creator, give a link to their channel, ideally directly link the video you clipped, don‘t monetize the clip, and everything is good. Those are the basic rules to showing you actually respect the person you are clipping. Telepurte had this problem as well. The channels stealing his animations were what ultimately made him use his KZbin channel, which was good for me since I don‘t use Twitter. =D Over time the malicious channels dropped off. There were channels honestly uploading his animations, with credit, just so they could spread the word about him, and they always pointed this out in the comments. Those channels removed the videos as soon as Telepurte came here, since that‘s all they wanted. THAT is the definition of good faith use. ❤

[@gamekeeper777]

First time seeing your vids, that damn voice is freaking smooth, hate to see scumbags stealing work, you deserve better.

[@zennakaip]

Good on you for speaking up. I hope alot more people do because these channels need to go. These channels have been around for so long and do so much damage its insane. Early compilation videos with zero credits or links to source, "translation" videos for overseas content creators that mistranslate to bait viewers into drama that don't exist for more views and well these. I wish youtube would crack down on content theft. Alot of these channels get reported and nothing happens. They really should look into channels that are being reported for it constantly.

[@Greystorm1619]

Thanks for making this video! I had no idea that one dude could own so many of these channels reuploading content from multiple creators. I watch a lot of Hasan re-uploads from fan channels, so it's a good reminder to be mindful of how this impacts other creators.

[@FlorSilvestre12]

There's something really bleak about how frequently tweeting about a person or an entity doing something messed up is the only way to get them to respond or remedy the situation.

[@trtl9106]

Holy shid. When I saw the title for this video for the past couple months popping up in my feed, I was like "damn maybe reactions streamers ARE the problem." That's because I thought it was their vods and clips that they or someone affiliated with them uploads. And I remember there being a drama between two creators because of these similar situations where one person was accusing the other for stealing their content for reactions, so it struck me as this being something similar to that. When I watched the video finally today, I didn't realize there was like an actual criminal ring that abuses the copyright strike system like this. Sorry about this man. I at the very least hope that your video gets more recognition like it deserves, and at the most hope that these spam channels get regulated and terminated!!!

[@sporer_]

Drives me nuts whenever I watch a video essay and then my next reco refresh is like 4 streamers reacting to that video. I watched the original, I don’t need to watch someone else watch it & comment

[@RobaMostarRoba]

I hate these channels with passion, I remember confronting one channel that was stealing Sidemen content and some people actually defended him, shambles

[@James-9999]

Your video? No comrade, our video

[@kmarj8]

Ngl I found the stolen video first, I had to look you up because I prefer watching OG videos instead of reactions. I'm glad I found your channel!

[@Stoneworks]

THANK YOU. I've been talking to this with my friends for so long. But... I get a bit confused because I know if Hasanabi reacted to my shit... I would get a big boost? I don't know!

[@declaringpond2276]

Kinda? If Hasan never reacts to you, you never get that boost, but if he does you'll lose views from those clip channels. Ultimately you will gain more viewers and subscribers overall, more so if Hasan never reacted

[@esbenm6544]

There's a misconception that react channels fall under fair use when a lot of them actually don't. You can use clips, you can make reviews, you can make transformative content from other people's videos, but what is explicitly not covered is showing the full unedited video. Pausing is not editing. The channels who do this are going purely by the "KZbin code" that this is fine. But they will take down these videos on request, because they know their legal position is dubious.

[@supersucks]

so if i am, lets say, part of a big company, that lets say, is making shows, you’re saying that i, can sue these reaction channels?

[@PixelPenguin87212]

I believe they’re still fine under fair use because they provide commentary.

[@That_One_Heather]

@@supersucks yes, they quite literally can. I'm pretty sure they had to stop watching Top Chef of kitchen nightmares of whatever Gordon Ramsey show it was for this exact reason.

[@That_One_Heather]

@@PixelPenguin87212 commentary doesn't make something fair use, the KZbinrs who say this are either lying or misinformed

[@DavidE95959]

copyright and fair use law is complicated but there have been several cases in the last few years that clearly laid out what is and what isn't covered. The main thing is if its transformative or not and if it acts as a market substitute for the original work. see Hosseinzadeh v. Klein as an example of fair use precedent.

[@hasanabicompilationsfanchannel]

thank you for making this - these bot channels have been causing so many problems. Ive been tracking them for months and and hopefully this will make them go away.

[@Phoenix-MX1]

Im glad you're bringing up light to something me as a viewer gets frustrated about. I can only imagine your anger.

[@brealizard2222]

You've earn my respect my guy! Thank you so much for participating these out

[@jovonn8303]

lmfao i actually find this funny. a streamer steals content and then a clip channel steals their theft.

[@kemcolian2001]

as long as its an actual reaction and not them just sitting there watching, its not theft as it falls under fair use.

[@chuck600]

​@@kemcolian2001Hasan's reactions are a market substitute and use far more of the original material than they actually need, that's already enough to not be considered fair use

[@fullestauto8912]

DarkViperAU Was ahead of the curve

[@soar_on]

didn't he used to play fortnite and was exiled from the community cuz he macroed? idk why i remember this, but i do

[@fullestauto8912]

@@soar_on You're thinking of someone else

[@skinnykid8524]

Who?

[@julia6556]

that channel comes up in my recommendations a lot and i've watched a good amount of their videos, but now that I know that's what they're doing I will definitely stop watching them and try to be more aware of other channels doing the same. glad you brought light to this!

[@ikemeitz5287]

Hey, not sure if you'll see this, but you should get in contact with Kyle Hill. He's in a different lane of content (science vids), but fighting the same people.

[@inacosmicfire]

Thanks for bringing awareness of this issue. I had no idea tbh I dont use twitch but I like watching vods of them. Maybe it'd help if the streamers had offical/approved of reuploaders by fans or their staff so that they are more incontrol than the thieves. I'll probs just not watch these anymore unless it's official ones

[@lizzfrmhon]

It’s very disgusting and unfair. Hope KZbin does something about this.

[@ryn2844]

I was not aware of this kind of business model existing. I might have watched videos like those instead of the original content. Will be on the lookout from now on.

[@Evanz111]

What’s very weird is that this video now has more views on the original video it’s about. That’s a sin in itself, after all the work you put into it…

[@ZombieApocalypse09]

The proliferation of these channels is awful. It's not just twitch streamers they do it to. They do it to EVERYTHING. Sometimes when youtube slips one of these channels into my recommendations I don't realize at first because they do strive to look official. But I have been trying to block them because there's no way to report them to youtube.

[@peachy_lili]

it is so wild to me that a corporation like Google won't even pay a small team of kids minimum wage to delegate cases like this to so that there's actually some kind of customer service.. I have a store in Second Life, and even for fake money I give 10000% better customer service than a megacorporation. they'll never be motivated to do better until they're not the standard anymore -- copy/paste for any other product owned by a megacorp

[@LongXue]

They like doing that kind of thing where they copy paste the whole title before adding the 'reaction/reacting' part at the end so that when you search for the same vid they always comes up either first or second, at the very least add the reacting part at the start of the title.

[@AcIdBARRY]

It's funny how those reactors basically do a similar thing but just in a way people think is okay. Reactions take a fraction of the work it takes to create the video that gets reacted to. And even if the reactors are "fair" and link everything in the description or point towards the original creator.. well guess what no one gives a shit, at least a lot less people that would've seen the original video if it wasn't for a reaction. And it's so accepted to a point where creators that put hundreds of hours of work into videos think it's okay and cool if someone reacts to the full video just because they might get " a bit of a push" or because they don't want to seem too greedy. I mean if small creators react the impact isn't that big but the big reactors up top they only grow bigger and bigger because no one other than reactors could hold up with them in term of quality of content. Because the quality comes from smaller creators who don't even get something out of it. It's sad.

[@AcIdBARRY]

I want to point everyone reading this towards the video series by darkviperAU on this topic he explains all this in much more detail. I'm not even a content creator myself really but it's just the sad reality of what reactions are (in the form most big reactors do them at least)

[@holydoggo4822]

The amount of subs and views you would have gotten from his “reaction” would never have been in an amount to make his content justifiable. Reaction content is straight up thievery

[@TJThomas116]

Wow! Good thing KZbin just released new content guidelines against SwEaRiNg aNd ViOlEnT cOnTeNt, this will really help creators against the things that are actually challenging their successes!

[@dunkdon158]

Honestly I never would have seen this video you are uploading if I had never seen that clip channel’s upload. I’ll subscribe for your troubles my friend.

[@kennethmoses4900]

KZbin won’t do sh*t until KZbin creators unionise.