How To Terminate (Connect Up) a Twin Socket Outlet BS 1363 (How to Wire a Double Socket)

[@robertmaxted9113]

I am not an electrician nor studying to become one. However, this has been one of the BEST tutorials I have ever come across. Hats off to the instructor! Keep up the great work! 👍

[@monochromaticlightsource9153]

As a "Learner" I found this video incredibly helpful. Thank You! I'll now go back out to the shed and remake those connections like you showed, so they last 50 years!

[@t1n4444]

Excellent "how to" young man!

[@renifed]

excuse me young man

[@tonyb1825]

your videos are brilliant! So many others just show diagrams or rubbish camera work. Thanks for the help

[@GSHElectrical]

00:00 - How to connect up sockets 00:42 - Making off my first BS 1363 twin socket outlet 00:48 - Connections in the back of a twin socket outlet 01:13 - Cutting the cables to length for a twin socket outlet 01:48 - How deep are the terminals in the back of a twin socket outlet 03:03 - Terminating the line (live) conductors into the back of a twin socket outlet 03:35 - How to double over the conductors into the back of a socket outlet 05:03 - Terminating the neutral conductors into the back of a twin socket outlet 06:17 - The correct conductor length in the back of a twin socket outlet 06:35 - Terminating the CPC's (earths) conductors into the back of a twin socket outlet 08:52 - Putting the twin socket front onto the socket box 09:07 - Top tip when connecting socket outlets 09:52 - Connections in the back of our second twin socket outlet 10:22 - Cutting the cables to length for a twin socket outlet 11:14 - Connecting up a twin BS 1363 socket outlet 13:29 - Summary of learning for second fixing a twin socket outlet

[@jackfrost3560]

Strange that you are using a knife to strip wire first thing I learned in college was put a nick in the wire it will break. That's why t stripers are the way to go in the USA. And they are multiple function. I know it's a little different wire style but it all works the same way. By the way my little girl was born in oxford 32 years ago I'm. Not a stranger to the way things work over there wonderful country You have.

[@doreenbeech2388]

An excellent tutorial. RSVP, spot on. EDIP, very professional. These letters apply to individuals who have military tutoring skills. Very informative and easy to assimilate. One comment I'd like to pass to others. This tutorial is done by a tutor teaching his students. No fads, no if's, but's or how evers. If you don't like how he achieves his object, or the information disseminated, DON'T watch. To me (and like minded tutors) this presentation was 1st class. An 'A' grade.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for taking the time to comment in such detail 👍🏻. Gaz

[@thewrongbike7709]

If you start out right every time you end up right every time.

[@jesserawson898]

Once again, what can be so vexing is how easy a true proffessional can make a job look. A great video.

[@kamwinickel7182]

This will now work, I now know how to wire socket outlets… Thank you sir..

[@ayrshirefromabove2223]

Been an electrician for 26 years and I’ve never used a knife like that to remove insulation. Snips or actual wire strippers. Do everything else the same. Double back connections, leave a good length on conductors.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for commenting and your feedback 🦾. Gaz

[@tspirit99]

Mk cutters

[@E6EES]

I’ve been an electrician for 40 years and I always use a knife to skin cables.

[@BestUserNameUK]

I use my teeth😬

[@AngelaPeters-fy1tc]

like Gaz says its to teach learners the basic hand to eye coordination skills first which is fair enough.

[@abdulrashid3339]

Quality and pride in your workmanship. Thank you I respect.

[@GSHElectrical]

💕👍

[@vikingofengland]

About time the industry used "Wago" style connectors on the back of sockets (I know you did a video on this a while ago).

[@electricalstuff259]

They're hard to pull out though since you have to twist them to get them off. Could be annoying in a tight fit.

[@andymccall6861]

MK are now selling double outlets with lever style screw less connectors a la Wago

[@cuebj]

Once again, thanks for making me feel good about my DIY electrical jobs. Starting with long wires in box, then correct screwdriver, then test termination to guage wire length for socket brand, use tight fitting earth sleeve so doesn't slip and spoil contact in earth terminal. I do all that as I fix the sloppy work of recommended, registered, reputable professionals. I think I've found a good one and hope he's available for the consumer unit replacement I'd like done before Christmas

[@abelmicheal7504]

Waw, so clear and excellent instructional video. An enormous thank you.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻

[@monicamaprecious]

Thank you sir for your videos.. they help me alot..much love from Kenya

[@GSHElectrical]

👍🏻

[@9plusinstalaciones]

Quite nice the Hager outlets are.

[@t1n4444]

Yoda you thanks it is.

[@remocampagna8780]

Excellent tutorial, Thank you. I recently bought sockets from screwfix and its a few years since i carried out a rewire. I design and make things for a living and could not believe what I was seeing. when the powers at be spout Regs and health and saftey at every breath and then I come across the very points that you made about shallow terminals, different depth terminals on the same socket and having two seperate cpc connectors, I can now call total bullshit this whole set up. First of all make all suppliers of electrical sockets conform to one standard so that all the sockets have their terminals in the same place and the same depth also have one cpc connector joined internaly (dont understand why you are connecting them seperatley but stand to be corrected if you have a valid reason ie how many people have been killed because both cpcs have been connected to one connector). Next one of the big companys like Milwaukee need to make a tool that cuts evrything in one go and folds the cable ends automatically including the correct length of the outer cable so that its a one press button operation in about 5 seconds. An electricians job is hard work and if all this was applied it would cut down the termination side of the job by 2/3rds not to mention ware and tear on the electricians hands(which matters when you are the wrong side of 50 and you still have to work until you are 67}. Lastly, this whole system needs to be dumped and changed to the wago system and be done with this. All electrician need to get together and only buy one type of socket, that would force the manufacturers of the crap sockets to change or go out of business. We need more People in charge that have a technical background not academics/ lawyers/ economist, preferably non university graduates. We need more Elon Musks(people that can think for themselves and are not sheep). Ok Rant over, going back to finish the termination now(oh joy).

[@Flo-cy4ve]

You right the amount of wrong connector terminal some appliance light fitting don't mach the uk irish wire ring standard And who come with the idea for lsf cable in domestic forget how to work Cable more rigid very hard to strip bulkier and personally I prefer when a smke smell from cable Many call out when people smell something is wrong

[@danielteyehuago1633]

Wow! This is very informative, thanks for sharing it with us. It worth it...wtc

[@MrBeats44]

As someone starting out, these videos are very helpful and are a nice refresh Do you have a Patron or buy me a coffee

[@GSHElectrical]

Massive thanks glad they are helpful. I only have the thanks button on KZbin. Enjoy your learning journey and thanks again Gaz 👍🏻

[@ebrahimraeidehaghi1911]

Well done, you did amazing 🤩

[@brandonsmith6069]

Really helping me whilst in at college.. doing my level 2 and currently doing this now! A lot of great tips and tricks in your videos that feels like it’s just that extra sense of insight!

[@GSHElectrical]

Brandon all the best with your level 2 and a massive thanks for commenting and watching. Gaz 👍🏻

[@seanmckenzie6642]

Same with me brandon👍🏾 How is it going?

[@Chequr_Prostate]

It’s a fantastic training resource wish we’d had it when I was an apprentice, sadly though they barely had telephones let alone the internet 😢 😊

[@biggish-cheese]

Great tip on what length to cut to (box + 50-70mm).

[@johngreen8693]

Really interesting and useful (sad I know...) - many thanks. I haven't seen the doubling over of the wire since my Father used to wire things (and he wasn't an electrician). I'll start doing that as well. The 50mm plus length of the box is a useful guide.

[@Jack14047]

Thanks. Very easy to understand.

[@zXLuke4efcXz]

Personally I utilise the earth terminals with 1 terminal used for both earths on the Twin and the other terminal used to earth a metal back box.

[@mark86sprk5]

At least you earth the back box. Wont be a long wait for the rest to say you don't need to, the screws do it🙄

[@t1n4444]

@@mark86sprk5 You do like to "write" provocatively 😂😂😂. You'll probably get an avalanche of responses coming up with myriad reasons for and against. I used to take the view that one day I might be standing in the dock having to justify my reasons for doing a job "just so". Spending a few moments earthing a box might, rpt might, be your "get out of jail" card. Literally. Most of us will have seen this debate on other vlogs and will have formed an opinion one way or another. This debate is perhaps going to be a reprise of those.

[@mark86sprk5]

@@t1n4444 i don't mean to provoke but I do resent negligence. Why do anything less than to maintain the integrity of a connection to the highest standard. Any argument to the contrary is not good enough when distributing electricity.

[@kendoknackersackee]

I have heard sparks say that the reason for doubling over the ends of conductors is to give double the CSA at the point of termination and to fill the terminal up. I can see the point about filling the terminal but I was taught that the main reason for doubling over is so that the screw clamps down onto the conductors more firmly. Your thoughts Gaz🤔 I have to say: Crabtree, instincts socket outlets have clamps instead of screws and IMO are the best on the market. No doubling over required. They're superb 👍

[@GSHElectrical]

Instinct Range From Crabtree - Electrical Accessories Designed to Make Life Easier for Electricians kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYOtfJx_orijgKc I like the instinct range. The larger the conductors (doubling over) the greater the area for the screw to hit 🦾. Thanks for commenting. Gaz

[@arcadia1701e]

I personally despise the obsession with doubling over. It's not a regulation, and is in breach of manufacturer instructions in 99% of cases. Not following manufacturer instructions can open hell later on if things go wrong.

[@kendoknackersackee]

@@arcadia1701e I agree 👍 it's not something I like either and you're absolutely right about following manufacturers instructions, but I can see how the limited surface area of a screw head is going to make a satisfactory connection doesn't exactly instil confidence. That is why I mentioned the Crabtree clamped terminals. Although screws may be a long established form of connection, I feel it's time to move on😁👍

[@mark86sprk5]

@@kendoknackersackee if it doesn't "instill confidence" why do you walk away from it then?

[@kendoknackersackee]

@@mark86sprk5 That's why you double over, because it gives the feeling of a solid connection. Anyway, I meant in general, not me personally. A single screw terminal is overdue an update and improvement though, wouldn't you agree?

[@tonymartin3780]

Great simple tuition and someone who knows his screwdrivers 😀 a driver for lighting and then larger one for the sockets , I bet you don’t brake your drivers , 👍

[@alexanderray77]

Very helpful series of tutorials. You talk about terminal drivers vs the 'electricians screwdriver'. How would you differentiate them? What blade sizes?

[@ivandrozd8262]

Great tutorial and very good demonstration! Thanks for your tutorial!

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for commenting and watching 👍

[@brianlawrence2020]

Excellent and very informative videos, thanks

[@eizlan48]

Super informative. Thank you so much.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@ivanbuckingham2302]

When doubling over the conductor, if you use the pliers at 90° the teeth of the pliers will prevent the conductor from slipping therefore making the job faster and neater. Plus the less work through the bend will reduce metal fatigue. Also, if you put the CPC sleeve all the way on and then pull back off by the amount that you want exposed and then cut it, then it will be fast and perfect every time.

[@monteclark1115]

I wish North America would switch to this type of outlet.

[@GSHElectrical]

🤭👍🏻

[@muhamadabia418]

Always remember me team work.

[@Fifury161]

Appreciate the upload, another awesome demo, thanks for sharing!

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for commenting 🦾👍

[@mickfortune3844]

Great vid, I’m not an election but with years of diy I would always Double over, less chance of coming out 👍

[@davegahan8233]

What neat work.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@mickk7489]

Good workmanship - crap system. I'm in Australia, just gone 50 years as an electrician and that cable/methods takes me back to the 70s.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for the message 🤦🏻‍♂️ maybe 😄👍

[@jamesantill5065]

Mick K, purely out of curiosity, would be interested to see the difference if you have a link?

[@iantaylor6538]

the only time i would double over conductors is when there is only one in the terminal. what if your are taking a spur from the socket, you wouldnt get three doubled over conductors in

[@truthseeker7794]

Me too.

[@pjmcgoldrick1708]

@@truthseeker7794 111

[@PHealey1981]

Always double them if it’s a part of the ring with no spur.

[@kevinwright195]

I have seen them twisted together found when testing ring and cable broken off. Depends on make they mostly have clamp type terminal I only double the earth wires.

[@stuffoflardohfortheloveof]

Brill. Very clear. Thanks for posting! 👍

[@pselectrical4561]

You missed the bit where you have to dig your cables out of the wall first after the plasterers skimmed over the box! Following that I would strip the sheath to the length of a standard English carrot leaving the inner insulation to be stripped using my teeth because I'm old school! 👴🏫🤐

[@johnburns4017]

It is easier, quicker (and safer) by using Wago types of push fit connectors for the stiff 2.5 T&E cable. In site work, using Wagos in the boxes it is ideal on the first fix to connect the 2.5mm ring, then test to ensure the ring wiring is OK. Any problems are identified immediately before plastering and/or wall closing. *First Fix* ♦ Connect the two 2.5mm T&E cables into the Wagos, then push the Wagos to the back of the box. ♦ Test the cable. ♦ Plasterers, wall fixers complete their work. *Second Fix* ♦ Cut 2.5mm *single* core insulated *flexible* cable to the right length (about 4 to 5 inches) - L, N and E, all insulated. Easily done on a bench. ♦ Then screw the flexible _single_ L, N & E cables into the back of the socket. Easily done on a bench. ♦ Then push the three flexible wires into the three Wagos. ♦ Then it is easy just to push the socket back and screw up as the three cables are *flexible.* No stiff T&E cables in the socket terminals putting stress on the terminals. Just push the socket back easily and only once. *Note:* ♦ With metal boxes you may need three terminal Wagos for the L and N and a four terminal for the earth - one to the socket, one for each T&E and one to the metal box earth terminal. From the Wago to the metal earth terminal use flexible cable which can be fitted on the first fix. The Wagos are neat and out the way in the box. Then a plasterer can come along with no problems after the first fix. The socket and three flexible wire tails can all be cut and connected on a bench very quickly and easily (imagine 50 of them). Then an easy job of pushing in the flexible tails into the Wagos and screw up the socket after the plaster is dry. Test again with sockets connected.

[@iantjohnson]

I'd like to see how much you damaged the copper conductor when you attacked it with a knife! There is a potential for it to snap when you push it back in the box!

[@Adrianyoutubing]

I agree. I always got a "bollocking" for even scratching the copper. Ringing it with a knife with "firm pressure" seems sure to mark it a bit.

[@martinwinfield2935]

Strippers are always the best.

[@davidceredig-evans8772]

Excellent video, thanks.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for commenting and watching 👍🏻

[@cag9284]

Nice tutorial

[@danielteyehuago1633]

Thanks for sharing it with us

[@kenjames2214]

Excellent instructional video, quick question, why are the wires doubled back instead of just being fitted in? Thanks

[@GSHElectrical]

Fill the hole 😉. 🦾

[@astro-snake]

Hi, great video! Q: Why do you need to add CPC sleeving, if it was needed why does it not come as standard? Also, if the CPC size is 1.5m, would you get the same size sleeving, or 0.5 bigger; so in this example 2m. Thank-you!

[@robinbanks183]

Excellent video

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks 🦾

[@sukhi17]

Good video 👍

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks 👍

[@syedmaqureshi5590]

Thanks grate production

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@learninglounge]

Looking good Gary :o)

[@adamkhan8471]

Brilliant content.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for the support 👍🏻

[@user-yd2xc1ge8b]

Thanks a lot Sir.

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for watching

[@glynnhancock9546]

Great video well explained. What is the difference in the 2 screwdrivers you mentioned at the start of the video?

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for commenting - the size of the blade on the screwdriver head the terminal one is to small to get the connections tight 🦾. Gaz

[@Jys71208]

3mm _3.5mm for light switch terminal 4.5mm _ 5mm for socket terminals

[@jesserawson898]

A demonstration on wiring up a single socket would be good rather than the easy peasy double always seen in videos.🙂. Especially the favourite part; cramming all those wires into the back-box. 😵‍💫

[@muhamadabia418]

Educative to me nice work.

[@sahilmohammed8715]

What mm cable are you using? Is it best practice to use 2.5mm or 4mm? Also should you always use the ring to connect multiple sockets? or can you stop at the last socket?

[@maryhinge128]

fantastic, thank you

[@danielteyehuago1633]

also in Ghana in West Africa, we follow British standard of wiring. And we use 2.5mm for socket, thus the live, neutral and earth or CPC. And the cpc is insulated but you used 1.5mm and not insulated

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for the great comment 👍

[@ronaldomac4918]

Learning the trade and i didn't realise that there was a difference in screwdrivers...? Can anyone tell me, does it really make a difference as to what screwdriver you use...?! Cheers, great video..!

[@GSHElectrical]

Match the tip size to the screw head - insulated - find a brand u like. Thanks for watching and commenting. Gaz

[@effervescence5664]

Always use Sheers/5-1 Knipex or strippers never a knife for inner cores. Also like to see a tiny bit of copper sticking just outside the terminal so I know there's no chance it's screwed down onto insulation also don't tend to double over unless it's a single cable. Rule of thumb for length was always taught as: from side half the width of the box past / from top or bottom double the height of the box.

[@adilaslam6234]

Thanks! Excellent video. I’ve rewired a socket and the wires were super stiff. Think they must be 20-30 yrs+ old. Made it difficult to get back in the box. Any tips to make life easier?

[@arcadia1701e]

This obsession with doubling over has to end. There's no requirement for it, and it's against manufacturers instructions 99% of the time.

[@zXLuke4efcXz]

I think most people would agree with double over if there's only one conductor (so the screw doesn't tighten on the side of a conductor). No need to double over when there's more than one conductor though.

[@samoshea219]

When it’s a single cable you get way better grip when it’s doubled back, each to their own I suppose, takes 2 seconds, less chance of a loose connection

[@jameswatson8224]

Doubling over the cable, what do you do when there are three cables coming in rather than two (eg spur off ring)? Keep them all straight? Usually three doubled over will not fit in.

[@markgilder9990]

Bit of common sense comes in handy.😎👍🏻

[@seandempsey9396]

You only need to double over the conductors when there is only one going to each terminal, on a radeal or a ring main there's will always be two conductors to each of the terminals so no need for boubleling over, the only reason for it is so as the terminal screw has somthing to bite on to

[@bambam-cm8we]

Same here, single cables get doubled, 2 or 3 don't get doubled ... the only exception would be for cpc especially when there is 2 ports on the outlet. My only issue with doubled solid conductors is that it work hardens the copper and of its then straightened back out there is a high probability it will break so as a rule I never try to fold it back over, cut, strip and create a new doubled end. This also has its own problems when the cables are short to start. I personally think a screw in terminal is best for outlets, I know there are "wago" style outlets available but I find them to be "chunky" in depth foe example 2 legs of a rung and a spur in a 25mm recessed box, client wants to change for a USB outlet ..... leaves almost no space between the rear of the socket and the back box .... the only change I'd like to see is swapping the traditional screw to the clamping arrangement that is common on MCB, RCDs, Main switch etc. Would allow more room at each port, even clamping and would negate the need to double the ends over. Putting wago connections on outlets is great for ease in connecting but on the flip side most of the faults, loose connections, spur on spur on spur from am excited DIY'er is rampant now and will get worse due to the few that are put off trying now will go the opposite way and add to the DIY "It was like it originally" -- "I always use an electrician" - "my mates a spark" and so on.... 🤣 thoes who know how to wire a plug so they can wire a socket.....its only 3 wires and they are colour coded 🤣

[@gabeerlazem7798]

Thank you 🙏

[@deeqyare2897]

Teacher, some people use 1N 1L 1ground for doublesocket

[@jokatech1]

Is that single strand 2.5mm cable? Here in Kenya nowadays, rarely will you find a single strand conductor of more than 1.5mm. For 2.5mm and above we have stranded cables only

[@Christosseventy7]

Do the terminals ever need to be torqued down?

[@GSHElectrical]

Great question 👍🏻

[@Christosseventy7]

Only ask because I recently invested in a torque screwdriver but can't seem to find any specification printed on any equipment.

[@lemech]

There is a document listing the torque for plugs and sockets in BS 1363-1:2016 13 A plugs, socket-outlets, adaptors and connection units. Specification for rewirable and non-rewirable 13 A fused plugs

[@mavisdanso928]

Please, where can I find and buy 110V amp twin socket and 110V 15 amp single socket. Thank you.

[@johnshaw1867]

Is there not a further earth cable to connect to the box?

[@justmeEnglandUK]

I've always notice after copper been crushed in the terminal by the screw the copper relaxes and it become loser over the next few weeks . after testing with a toque screwdriver the reading a few weeks later is less .

[@djdanny9000]

What is the maximum load I understand a power socket is 13 A. Would a double socket 13 A on each side

[@michaelmacneil2957]

If you had a choice, would you have your socket cables horizontal or vertical?

[@AAW-Electrics]

Love Gaz's School of Home (GSH) electrics ;-)

[@tmac6688]

Why don't they use wire strippers in the UK. Here in the states you can install devices quicker and easier.

[@GSHElectrical]

Because the college I was working at couldn’t afford them sadly 👍🏻

[@johnmoore1180]

Hi what course do I need to install fans in kitchen and bathrooms ???

[@rayc1503]

C&G 2365, look into part p electrical courses.

[@derekjenkinson8014]

How do you do 4mm cable? As doubling that would be to large.

[@johnbeck5795]

Instead of bending wire over, how about using alloy ferrules that can be pushed over and bite onto the wire end to allow the terminal to grip better?

[@danielteyehuago1633]

Please i want to ask you this question; what's the right order in which you should arrange your circuit breaker in your consumer unit. should it be from the lowest breaker to the highest or highest breaker to the lowest and why... Thanks

[@paphy]

Great thanks

[@jimmy2045]

Thank you

[@GSHElectrical]

No problem 👍

[@jamesholland8742]

Thanks for creating these videos. Quick question why don’t you use a torque setting on these termination? But within in a DB you do.

[@reeceoverton1421]

Terminals in a dB have torque settings that are provided by the manufacturer so to comply with regs these must be followed. There are no such instructions on socket terminals. If there were then you would have to use torque driver

[@lemech]

@@reeceoverton1421 There is a torque setting guide in BS 1363-1:2016 13 A plugs, socket-outlets, adaptors and connection units. Specification for rewirable and non-rewirable 13 A fused plugs. But I'm not sure if that is a must per the regs.

[@nate697]

Nice one gazza. Big help. Subscribed 👍 do you have a video changing light fixtures at all?

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for the support - this may help I also have wiring diagrams that are worth taking a look at New House Wiring Changing Lights - Lighting Circuit Using the 2 Plate Method or 3 Plate Method? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iICTi5ignsdqeK8

[@muhammadrahman2156]

I got a 2 gang power socket in the kitchen plasterboard , which is convention straight from top including twin cables (as per your video). If I wanna extend 3/4 power sockets from that point, shall I connect/extend both the twin cables to the next power socket ?? ?🤔

[@JamesMoondew]

Would you still go 70mm past the edge, if the cable entered via the top or bottom of the pattress?

[@GSHElectrical]

50 to 70mm 🦾

[@montystelevision3238]

Do old Luddites like me still call the CPC the Earth?

[@dellawrence4323]

For years when working on my own buildings I have twisted the cable ends together when connecting to the socket, is this ok? I was taught that method many years ago by an electrician mate I used to help out on jobs

[@spookyboo3164]

thats how they do it at college reality somewhat different

[@GSHElectrical]

100% correct - learners can find faster ways of doing it on-site... I use a knife to build hand I coordination skills which is often lacking in younger learners. Thanks for commenting. Gaz

[@Fifury161]

I don't see why there would be any need to deviate from this when doing it for real? Of course I understand why there may be deviation (shortcuts!), but really there is no excuse!

[@martinwinfield2935]

@@Fifury161 agreed short cuts will always get you in the end.

[@ol4900]

You are a star m8

[@ahsaanfreed9626]

No means of disrespect here but Iv never used a knife to strip cable?? Always croppers or side cutters... surely there more east to use to strip cable?

[@copyandpastification]

changed one of my sockets at home.... one of my blue wires had current on it... I know you are supposed to switch of power supply when you work with electricity all right .... is that normal?

[@stevendouglas3860]

Very well explained...Gaz . 2 Questions... In video , you mentioned ..( screwdrivers ) Is there any difference between a ", electricians screwdriver & a normal vde (as seen in yr video. ? and video Gaz preferred a separate CPC /earth terminal in a double socket . Is there any reason ...(safety or not really ) ? Thanks any one. 👍💪😁

[@GSHElectrical]

No to keep things simple for my learners I call it an electricians screwdriver rather than a number 1, 2, 3 etc. We talk about sockets for IT equipment in the classroom so this links to the CPC being in different terminals 👍.

[@stephenlittle7534]

Old electric here normal in the old days mentioned that they didn't have plastic sleeving on the screwdriver to protect your fingers OK. So the normal one was not to be used as for electric work. Hope this helps as he didn't really tell you that.

[@jonathanrose456]

Just wondering why you double over when you have 2 x 2.5mm2 6242y going into a socket? I believe the terminals are designed to accept them in singles, unless just 1 x 2.5mm2 present or 2 x 1.5mm2 need connecting. Connecting the earths... I was told that splitting the cpc’s into the separate terminals provides a clean earth for IT equipment, so maybe you could clarify?

[@fluffallfuy511]

When i was starting out as an electrician there was this company once which the boss told me off for putting one cpc in each earth terminal on a double gang socket, he said you don't do that which i was confused about why not?

[@GSHElectrical]

Thanks for adding your experiences 👍

[@michaelmiles5955]

Does it matter which of the two earth cables go to which of the two earth terminals in the socket?

[@GSHElectrical]

No

[@filipe.skunk8]

The entry of the cabling shouldn’t make a difference in how much slack is left inside the box.. why less when they enter from the top?

[@GSHElectrical]

This is my technique yours can be different 👍. Gaz

[@filipe.skunk8]

@@GSHElectrical and it’s a good technique, just mentioned as box is still the same when cable enters from above/bottom and plenty of room inside. Being installations here non rewirable it’s good to leave plenty of slack for the years to come.

[@JoeVis]

@@filipe.skunk8 If the cable enters from the top, it is closer to the terminations.

[@kowchannel]

Thanks

[@michealplater9007]

In austraila, we twist the wires together and only have three terminals. I always connect earth, neutral, active

[@m101ist]

No twisting together, when you want to test the wires separately you got to untwisted them.

[@markgilder9990]

Twisting is not good practice, as it can work harden the copper and stress the cable.

[@michealplater9007]

Hi Mark and Mark what country are you from, in austraila, standard practice to twist cables together. We also use stranded conductors. We don't use ring circuits so there is no need to separate wires to carry out testing

[@enigmaticx326]

It makes testing a pain but better than having multiple wires in a screw terminal loosen over time due to temperature changes, or because the screw didn’t bite down on the all the conductors properly. Wagos a better option for multiple stranded wires I think. But we’re a bit backwards here - they were basically unheard of until recently. Only just starting to see them used.

[@anthonyspierings7736]

Older versions of Australian Standard 3000 had a requirement to twist together earthing conductors smaller than 4mm2 in certain circumstances (e.g. clamped joints AS3000-1991, clause 5.5.5.4.(a)). The 1991 standard also stated that "doubling back" of the wiring is one of the "approved methods" to ensure that sufficient contact area in the earthing terminal (AS3000-1991, clause 5.5.6.3,(b), (vi)). While no longer in the Australian Standard, I suspect that these two clauses are behind the current Australian work practice of twisting wires together, and doubling back of a single wire under a termination. My personal experience is that twisting wires together before installing it under the screw terminal (yes, even for solid conductors) provides less opportunity for thermal cycling and subsequent failure. The percentage of wiring that has a fault that requires one to undo a twisted conductor is very small, and should not be the rational to avoid the extra minute of work. I am surprised that using solid wiring is still, particularly for earthing, a thing in the UK. That was prohibited in Australia after the release of the standard in 1979.

[@keithmcdonnell]

Hi Gary, just wondering.. you have 2.5 L&N with 1.5 CPC... A few years ago here in Ireland there was an ammendment that all new installations must use an insulated earth conductor that is the same size as the two phase conductors. What's your view on this? Is it something that's in the pipeline for you guys in the UK? Love the channel pal 👍

[@GSHElectrical]

Great comment - no plans that I am aware of to follow Ireland’s lead. Will be interesting to see others comments. 👍 Gaz

[@stephenlittle7534]

Hi Keith. Thanks. I was thinking funny when we do single cable in conduit we do use the same size for all cables. Strange that. O well the English way he he. You can teach an old dog new stuff. Thanks again.

[@danielteyehuago1633]

@@GSHElectrical also in Ghana in West Africa, we follow British standard of wiring. And we use 2.5mm for socket, thus the live, neutral and earth or CPC but you used 1.5mm but yours is 1.5mm

[@theendofmytether398]

T and earth cable is made that way

[@johnoreilly7052]

I always use the neutral wire and the cpc wire and the last one is line wire