How To Train As A Submarine / Sidearm Pitcher

[@MrGuano11]

Since I started pitching my arm slot has become almost horizontal. But during low effort catch play and long toss I tend to revert to my old arm slot to be able to throw further. I was waiting for a video like this.

[@diegoamial6366]

I’ve been doing the same thing. I have a question, do you think this affects the way your throwing during a bullpen/game after throwing long toss over head? The more I’ve adapted to throwing horizontal, the more I was scared of throwing long toss in order to throw farther

[@craigcrouse626]

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[@nepzski]

this the video i been looking forrrr

[@da9004]

Hahaha I’m just weird, I’m just not there lol 😂 I’ll be watching when you guys present some drills for side arms, Great video!!

[@BlackieChan-B4-1]

I’ve been waiting for this video, thank you🙏🏽

[@drippzy_4563]

lets go exactly what i needed thank yall so much

[@jrollis21]

Great video, thanks. I am a low 3/4 slot supinator and I have never been able to throw an effective changeup nor splitter. They simply look like my 2 seam but worse. How can I kill velocity and spin rate, if I struggle to pronate and my fingers are too narrow for a splitter to "slip" out of my hand?

[@treadathletics]

Can be tough from that angle. You can mess with seam shifted wake on the change-up. You may not even need a pitch that moves in that direction. Leaning into cutters and sweepers may be the easiest way to optimize your arsenal. You should check out this pen: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2jKm5pmmZ1lh6s

[@TheDaltonBlessing]

I have a pitcher like this, may be a little higher than you, but small hands, no splitter and conventional/circle change did not work. What did work, and has become one of his best pitches, is a hybrid split/change that split the gap between the two which allowed to get a great amount of arm side. No forced pronation, he just throws it with same arm speed as his fastball. May be worth a shot.

[@hubertbeaumontneutron7939]

How do you feel about Baseball in Japan and how true submarine pitchers are more valued. In addition to that I see some of those foreign guys toping around 80-82mph true submarine and playing pro baseball so IDK if I should try to progress from an extremely low slot

[@jamaroquijenkins1780]

Would you guys a make straight forward video about training in the off season? Like how many pens/how far to long toss and more specific workouts. More than just like “oh these workouts are important” but a good schedule. Thankyou!

[@treadathletics]

Here's a free download throwing program you can check out! Otherwise, it'd be most efficient for you to just train with us remotely. Below are links to both: treadathletics.com/4-week-throwing/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJWVdnSkbtl9eq8

[@PrimarySweeper13]

I’ll keep doing what I’m doing. It works

[@Elijahgavi]

What’s up Ben can a submarine guy be a starter would the body have the capacity to maintain that ? Also how do you deal with low back pain as a submarine guy ??? Plz answer sir !!

[@TheOaklandRaiders1960]

I like when ppl talk baseball stuff.

[@masonwargel6169]

On the pitch arsenal side of things what would you recommend me doing with my fastball when I get negative vert with a 4 seam grip?

[@treadathletics]

It depends on how low your slot is and if the spin is efficient.

[@masonwargel6169]

@@treadathletics Im just below parallel and spin efficiency is around 90-95

[@treadathletics]

The grip likely won't matter at that point. With that high of efficiency, 4-seam and 2-seam grips are pretty interchangeable.

[@Elijahgavi]

Would sidearm mean less velo seems like most of the back isn’t involved as much as over top ?

[@treadathletics]

So long as you're in plane with your torso, there isn't a ton being left on the table velo-wise. Once you break that plane and drop down to submarine (think Tyler Rogers), sure, there is less velo to be had

[@Adrianobrien-l7g]

I throw side arm/low 3/4 my back leg comes off the rubber early and rotates into my body internally and causes my lead leg block to bow out towards 1st base do you know what’s going on or how i can fix that

[@Adrianobrien-l7g]

I’m a right handed pitcher btw

[@BumpyJones]

Can someone explain to what hyperlaxity and tight movers meant that they were referring to around the 3:00 min mark

[@TheRoadLessChosen]

Why would sidearm or low slot pitchers use more supination. I’ve had my son throw his sweeper since age 12 (before we heard about the sweeper) he’s 16 now, but when he throws it he pronates at release and it breaks hard both horizontally and with drop. Supinating seems like that could bring injury. What am I missing? If he supinates his arm hurts.

[@treadathletics]

Your son just may be a natural pronator. In that case, it would make sense if he feels pain when supinating. Here are a couple videos we made discussing the topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5XWfHSpaZ6bsM0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaqYi5aHqpJkaNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/roXVpJmaiZ2HrMU

[@OwenGillette-yu7hw]

How you throw your slider

[@deanainsworth1757]

I'd like to see his 300+kg deadlift.

[@mooshhongkham9954]

Probably trap bar but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was conventional. His arms are crazy long which makes deadlifting so much easier for him

[@treadathletics]

@@mooshhongkham9954 Sumo - he's got some lifting clips on his IG. instagram.com/p/Cn9zw8VPSJ8/

[@mgbpmpttdpmg]

95? 😮😮

[@davidsax4460]

Friends don’t let friends wear non-black clothes.

[@harrisonlorens3585]

😂😂😂

[@bazeballmazter7223]

This video was great, thank you very much! If you have time, I sent two questions to your Instagram DMs as well as your contact email as they were a bit longer questions. I love talking about all of this kind of stuff, so I’d love to chat and possibly pick your brain for a moment if that’s alright. Have a good one!