How To Tune iKon/Brain! P.I.D? Advanced Menus?

[@Lance57H]

Thanks for all the work you do for the heli community Jeff!

[@StephenElsworth]

So so glad you got to this video! Seen others that just confused me, very helpful! Cheers

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I’m glad this video was helpful and informative and not confusing! Thank you for watching!

[@bobwatson6558]

Great video. Jeff let me suggest that you give us your settings and let us set up the heli just the same as you. Then if the roll rate is to slow turn this up. If your loops are to slow turn this up or down. The speed of the pirouette is your settings and if you want to have a faster or slower pirouette turn this setting up or down. Just a suggestion but you like a pretty fast heli so all we need to adjust this up or down for a great tune.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hey bob, that’s a great idea. A lot of my setup videos I will show how I set mine up but I will make sure I start including that more! Thanks for suggestion.

[@ericcoker8784]

Damn son! Education on point. I left helicopter stuff for a minute and doing FPV with Tiny Whoops. Mechanical tuning is almost absent (weight and thrust are paramount) but helicopter mechanics are way different. But PID tuning is always needed depending on weight, motor and prop size. Glad to see this. Totally understand.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you, it’s definitely needed to get the best flying model to you. Every Heli and setup is different and will need to be adjusted accordingly.

[@ericcoker8784]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 usually you don't have an option on smaller helicopters for PID tuning. My Blade Fusion 270 has PID tuning but I used the default settings and it works good, but could be better. On the smaller Blade, XK, Eachine, and the like kind of helicopters you only have two options! Cut weight or tighten the chassis. Sometimes, you can't do either. Usually you can "feel" a 10% weight loss. A blade Nano S3 is close to 30 grams, so dropping 3 grams is tough... And some don't mind a 10% increase if it doesn't induce a nose or tail heavy situation.

[@DeathPunch_80]

Very informative. Thank you. I’ve been working on getting 2 of my birds that are on Brain 2/Ikon 2 to feel just right. This should help.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I greatly appreciate it. I hope it is helpful and you can get your two models dialed in.

[@Lance57H]

Thanks! Edit, Lol whoops I think I sent it twice to you but that's okay, I didn't think it worked the first time because it took a minute for it to show up. Happy to support you though even if it's just a little

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you, I appreciate it! Some times it doesn’t show or will post the same thing multiple times lol

[@Lance57H]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 it gave you the money right?

[@Lance57H]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 it gave you the money though right? I tried leaving you some super chats with a little cash but now they're just showing as normal comments...

[@briannettles786]

Spirit fbl video coming out soon?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I need to finish the set up video. I was out of town for a little bit. So hopefully soon!

[@danielyates2460]

great info thanks . more please :)

[@Dysl3xicDog]

Perfect timing on this one!! I have been fighting this one my align 470L over the last couple weeks!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I hope this video helps you get your 470 dialed in.

[@shahram677]

another great video from Jeff, may I ask you to share the Ikon setting file? I have the same Tx and heli

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I greatly appreciate it! The file for the RAW 580 nitro or RS4 venom?

[@shahram677]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 rs4 venom bro

[@k0st0n]

Thanks for the video, super informative. I'm wondering, what made you switch from IKON to VBAR in the end?

[@claytonwyne6540]

What's the price of nitro fuel per case these days. Loved my black nitro 700 back when. It's always been ky favorite heli next to my Raw 580

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I’m paying around $40 a gallon. I believe it’s around $150 a case. I love my nitro helis. Especially the 580!

[@james22507]

Another really great video Jeff! A question if I may….. can a Neo vlink be used on a spektrum radio by plugging spektrum receivers into the neo? I believe you can with the non vlink version ?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you, James! I greatly appreciate it. Yes you can use a Leo with a spectrum radio by plugging it satellites into the side port, and telling it in the software to bind with spektrum personally, I don’t see the point in using a Vbar NEO with anything but V control just because you can’t have full use of the NEO with a spektrum radio like you can with Vcontrol

[@Edgecrusher28]

Elevator Tic Toc's seem far to abrupt or rigid, what setting exactly would I be looking to adjust to help smooth out these maneuvers? Thank you.

[@Danny-ge6bp]

Hi jeff, I fly Vbar and on my SAB fireball when I do a hard tail stop, the helicopter moves back with cyclic. I‘m still in the process of setting the helicopter up, any ideas what i should adjust on my Vbar Neo Pro?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

That’s a new one to me. I’m not quite sure, does it do it in both directions or only One Direction?

[@Danny-ge6bp]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 only in one direction, it’s always back elevator for some reason. I have yet to tune my tail and head with the optimizer so perhaps that might help:/

[@andreabenvenuti7940]

Hi Jeff, if the Ikon 2/Brain 2 allows for such micro setups should we then put all dual rates at 100% and expo at 0% in the transmitter and only work on the unit setups? Thanks.

[@bravo1872]

When I give full collective, I get tail fluttering(fast wag) and tail kicks out slightly to the right. What should I adjust? Trex 700e

[@scrc511]

Jeff, would you recommend the NX10? Been fan of Futaba and currently own two of them at the moment, 14SG and the 16iz. I wanted to try the NX10 for BNF Heli’s.

[@Drd4all]

I need to get an Icon for my RS4 😅

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I like it so much more than the GTS FBL. I never could get that FBL to feel right.

[@Drd4all]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 for my skill set it's ok for the moment, but it has almost 0 customization, so I'm 100% with you on that one.

[@xXRapToRiXxGamer]

Have you ever set your cyclic throws (in the setup menu where you set swash level and pitch) to more than the recommended 10°? I have an issue with my tb70 that the flip speed is not increasing even tho I am increasing the rotation speed on elevator and aileron. Maybe I should increase cyclic throw to like 12°? Do you have any experience with that? Cheers

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hmmm! That’s a strange one, I’ve never had that issue before. You can try increasing the cyclic throw just make sure there is no binding in the swash plate. Let me know if that helps!

[@xXRapToRiXxGamer]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Yeah never mind, it was the head speed.... it was too low. Now I am at 430°/s and it feels great

[@PockoRC]

have you ever come across a high D gain on the tail and still getting bounce back? im running 600 rotation on idle one and 700 on idle 2 i think, idle one getting quite abit of bounce back, im at 55 on gain currently. 1850rpm idle 1, 2000 idle 2. trex 600 nitro brain fbl

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

So with the Trex 600n ( I have three of them) I can never get my tail to be perfect. I have a feeling it’s the slop in the push rod I’m actually converting to a carbon push rod and hoping that helps. I built and flew an Trex 600XN and the tail was perfect. Only difference was tail push rod and slider.

[@PockoRC]

@westhobbiesrc8051 mines the 600n 3g so older fbl one. I've got the carbon rod and there's no slop. only got some gear slop but wouldnt thought that would be an issue of bounce back? I'll play with it more next time I go out with it and see if I can get it better

[@bigqbeatsproductions639]

What's up west? I'm really liking your videos! I was curious if you could offer advice on ikon2 tuning. I currently installed an ikon2 on to an align tb40. I can pretty much tune the thing however cannot get rid of my tail walking out to the left during tail slides. I've tried everything, and it keeps drifting left. I've spent 4 days tuning it and gave up and bought another vbar. Have you had any issues like that?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@bigqbeatsproductions639 Thank you! I’m glad you are enjoying the videos, I appreciate you watching! So what have you tired tuning? The TB40 is a strange heli with tail issues. Mainly because of the tail geometry. I don’t have one but seen and know a few who do. Tail walking out like that is from not enough pitch on the tail to catch it. Try and turn the pitch precomp up and see if that helps. If you can get more travel out of the tail, you can go to the next hole on the servo horn and get more mechanical advantage with less gain, or you can go down a hole and get less mechanical advantage and run more gain.

[@bigqbeatsproductions639]

@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks Jeff, ill give it a try.