How to use Offset Blocks in Mario Maker 2 with the Banned Wagon devs!

[@xTofux]

Not very active in the community nowadays, but I love to see this part of it still being active

[@DarkKoopatrol]

For anyone trying to offset Ground tiles with the black hole method: as far as I am aware, it's only possible to offset them temporarily. Once you save your course, they will snap back to the grid (both collision and texture).

[@emer486]

ANOTHER TIME TRAVELER?????

[@gdmathguy]

I wish nintendo allowed offsetting by default and made the hitbox normal too. It would make such cool gameplay

[@bannedwagonteam]

There are many things one could wish for.... Working slopes, for example

[@Reaktron88]

@@bannedwagonteamHow don’t the slopes work? Do you mean single tile slopes?

[@nonamebro0032]

I don't play mario maker anymore, but I've got to say this was a fun watch. The healable scroll stop was something I didn't know about and I wish I did earlier because man is that cool

[@mistahmatrix]

I can imagine troll levels using this to make fake platforms :))

[@Ultranger]

Now I’m imagining a level where almost the entire thing is offset blocks but you don’t find out until the end I don’t know how to troll someone with that but the idea sounds neat

[@klas-6]

This reminds me of one of the OG classic SMM glitches that changed the properties of blocks (like an iceblock that acts as a ? Block)

[@ItemCollecter]

Hi, I love your levels. I downloaded some of them before they got deleted (The Wagon World Finale, 1-1 [glitch-free], Oh No A Harder Decision, Non-Suspiscious Setup 12, Completely Normal Platforming, The Ban List and Jankster's Paradise [GLITCHFREE]) I don't really know the story behind your smm2 account and what happened, but I'm glad i could find you on youtube!!

[@bannedwagonteam]

Check out our website for the backstory bannedwagon.team/

[@OmegaByte07]

Yoo!! Thank you guys so much for this in depth explanation, there was a lot of stuff in here I had no idea was a thing. I appreciate you guys doing this for the people, you all are awesome❤

[@bannedwagonteam]

Tysm! Sorry this video took so long, we were debating on suuuper extending it, or to just leave the newly discovered tech to a part 2

[@ctb3335]

Holy shit black holes are still a thing? I remember those from SMM1, good times

[@Grimmtombobulus]

As if you guys are still sharing this gold. Huge respect. Healable scroll stops is mindblowing to me.

[@GamingBren]

I've played SMM2 since nearly the beginning and seeing this is insane

[@RipVanFish09]

I'm gonna have a LOT of fun with this.

[@person29299]

An actually good explanation? Awesome!

[@mrLegoLL]

Absolutely love this explaination! Actually got me to redownload mm2 to try and create new levels! That said, I'm still wondering about the sprite dislocation like the goombrat stomp minigame during gdq, so I hope you can do a video on that next! :D

[@Ronan_SMM2]

Actually if you keep the track for the offset block it won't corrupt

[@OmegaByte07]

I agree with this, ive never had any corruptions from that track

[@bannedwagonteam]

Trust us, the level is corrupt if you don't delete that remaining horizontal track. We lost a whole Wagon World level that way.... :(

[@Ronan_SMM2]

@@bannedwagonteam F Also I have made a whole level where I fsr kept the tracks for the offset blocks, it didn't corrupt maybe its just me idk

[@BoiWasTaken_]

@@Ronan_SMM2 making offset blocks can be really finicky, if you end up accidentally moving an offset block, sometimes it corrupts, sometimes it doesn't. this also goes for keeping that track

[@NotBest713]

I'm a time traveller

[@discussions.]

Clearly

[@conetriangle]

how

[@eetuthereindeer6671]

If someone actually was a time traveller I highly doubt they would use it for mario maker 2

[@OneLetterShor_]

ok but how

[@jackatk]

@@eetuthereindeer6671 Nothing gets by you 🤓

[@TheWaffleLord6787]

I love the 𝕤𝕡𝕚𝕔𝕪 𝕘𝕣𝕠𝕦𝕟𝕕 𝕓𝕝𝕠𝕔𝕜 in the captions

[@saf_Safira]

NEW BANNED WAGON VIDEO LETS GOOOO

[@orisphera]

13:18 What about diagonals?

[@bannedwagonteam]

The transference chaining doesn't work diagonally, to my knowledge

[@gdbutcherable]

This is all interesting, but how can we use it to get carl into a box?

[@bannedwagonteam]

Oh, that one's easy. In fact he tends to do it all by himself

[@orisphera]

15:10 Why did the rendering at the lower left disappear?

[@ImmacHn]

This is the sort of stuff that filled school playgrounds before the internet.

[@averagephlogfan6475]

Tracks are just broken in mario maker, this is giving me flashbacks to the black hole glitch in mm1

[@CATomic]

Great video this is awesome

[@adicsbtw]

With the blackhole offset, is it possible to offset the blocks more than half a tile? Or does the nominal position snap to the nearest block to the visuals

[@bannedwagonteam]

The nominal position snaps to the tile that an offset block has the most of its area inside

[@drewcool8441]

HES BACK!!!

[@LorenzoMarangoni-vx9rp]

Please part 2

[@bannedwagonteam]

Eventually lol We have a little thing called SGDQ to do in the meantime

[@varietychan]

Man they gonna patch it out in the next upda-oh nvmd

[@anonimo_104]

Thank you very much, now little timmy will prepare a very spicy hot garbage

[@bannedwagonteam]

Uh oh

[@iamioo]

Nice video!

[@JUMPY_NEB]

Well after I upload my latest glitch level I will make another one

[@quagiscool]

This gives me massive Mario Maker 1 glitch vibes. Don't know why, maybe just the inanity and brokenness of it just feels like an patched SMM1 glitch.

[@j0elyb3an]

Only a matter of time before people figure out ACE in this game

[@SpringySpring04]

I thought it was patched?? I cant make the hammer bro big while its in the claw anymore

[@bannedwagonteam]

Sometimes it doesn't let you make the hammer bro big if there's an obstruction nearby (i.e. a conveyor or the bottom of the level)

[@SpringySpring04]

@@bannedwagonteam I've tried it with empty space too. It seems like it's patched only on mine, super weird

[@skyjumper4097]

this looks like it is closely related to the current "easiest" black hole setup (the one which also uses hammer/sledge bro on a claw), this gets me really interested. is it known how these glitches work on a technical level? like3 what is happening in the game's code?

[@jneen]

Not to me! There's been some incredible progress being made by modders and decompilation folks right now though, so we may know at some point!

[@Oshroth]

I've never looked into the code, but at a guess, it looks like a reference/pointer manipulation (e.g. like Stale Reference Manipulation in SM64) causing a delinking between the offset block and the track, which allows you to put the block in a state where it thinks its on a track (so it uses the track position) but the track doesn't exist to move it and then probably because the block is making references to a non-existent track, this messes with the code and causes it to skip parts of the code. Looking at how the glitch is setup, this is possibly how it works: The editor keeps an array of tracks in the level and starts with: [Horizontal Track] The track has a reference to the block that it's holding (contents = block) The block has a reference to the track its on (track = 0) Block Horizontal Track The first track is removed. The curved track is created and added to the array [Curved Track] The claw setup has a reference to the track its on (track = 0) Claw Curved Track Undoing causes the previous track to reappear and now the track array is [Horizontal Track, Curved Track] Normally the editor would fix references to the tracks so that they update to match the new track state (claw.track = 1) but the Hammer Bro causes that to break so it's still on track 0, but now track 0 is the horizontal track Claw ---> Horizontal Track Claw

[@skyjumper4097]

@@Oshroth hmm thats cool how does the claw complicate things? also, why is making a hammer bro into a sledge bro required for the black hole glitch? another thing is that the old old black hole glitch from like ~1.0.0, where you use rails and blocks on the rails to bypass the entity limit, does not work anymore even if you boot the 1.0.0 game to try. maybe this glitch was fixed with a firmware update????

[@Oshroth]

@@skyjumper4097 That I'm not sure of, but the Giant Hammer Bro in a claw must be corrupting the game state or the undo stack (All software that has undo functionality keeps track of changes usually as a stack or similar data structure) in some way

[@Oshroth]

The Hammer Bro combo is breaking the undo stack/game state somehow because it somehow becomes non-undoable. It takes 5 steps to create the Hammer Bro setup after deleting the block track but none of those steps get undone when pressing the undo button 5 times (and pressing it the 6th time undoes the removal of the block track)

[@domtwYT]

Pogchamp i am so excited

[@Dawg307]

What about on and off blocks? I’m trying to make a troll level and it seems like a pretty good idea.

[@bannedwagonteam]

On/off blocks are too generic to make a tech video about. They are used just about everywhere for every purpose, so we'd struggle to show you how to specifically make levels using them.

[@Dawg307]

@@bannedwagonteam ahh ok

[@lilyzheng2322]

I bet nintendo is mad

[@bannedwagonteam]

We're counting on it ;)

[@ThatNerdGuy0]

Hey I wanna make some nice levels *does high level voodoo magic with some demon summoning* And now we have an offset block!

[@syxph3r]

BANNED WAGON

[@SkyRocketeerLands]

Does it still work in August, 30, 2024

[@bannedwagonteam]

Yes

[@SkyRocketeerLands]

Ok thx

[@AleyzRo]

does it break the TOS tho?

[@bannedwagonteam]

Essentially anything you do in this game that leads to unexpected interactions, it'll get your levels deleted

[@AleyzRo]

@@bannedwagonteam can your mario maker account get banned with it tho?

[@bannedwagonteam]

@@AleyzRo Yes :(

[@koura7883]

so who’s going to make a level where the flag is hidden behind hard blocks

[@PixelHog916]

man, tracks are broken in mario maker 2

[@e__egg]

I subbed

[@insert-name-here6777]

Why can the sprites even have a non integer position?! How are these files saved? Mario Maker is running on JS or something. I mean good for us but... NINTENDOOOOOOO!!!!

[@bannedwagonteam]

Looking into the file structure, we've found that each tile can be sub-divided into 160 increments. So if you were to manually edit a level file, you could shift a block 1/160th of a tile to the right for example

[@paperkittyyt]

jneen...

[@jneen]

hiiiiii

[@paperkittyyt]

@@jneen didn't know you were such a... mario.. maker...

[@mezzoooooo]

Actually updating? That's new

[@abay1worldofficial]

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