How to use SLIP ANGLE in Karting (tips for beginners)

[@woodleyjohnson]

Thank you for clarifying the difference between slip angle and drifting. I used to use slip angle and felt faster but I was told Im drifting and drifting slow you down. You've given me something to work on

[@AhriUwU]

I think it's incredible that you're somehow the only person on youtube who can actually explain karting tips

[@SupernovaSpence]

Dang he was spot on haha

[@j.bryant5415]

This has got to be the best description of the magic of slip angle. I've watched a ton of videos and was just barely getting the concept.

[@OskartWild]

I have watched some videos explaining slip angle, and I’m talking about famous KZbin channels/simracers. I never got to understand what the hell it was. And now, just watching your video, which is under 3 minutes long, I finally understand it! You are a legend, Omar! Thank you for sharing this valuable piece of information with us. When I drive in Karting Rivas again (the two floor track I showed you), I’ll try all of this and see how it works. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@hoineenietjij3331]

Personally driving big events in rental karting and i don’t totally agree with this one. Factors such as weight, tyres and track play a huge rol. 9/10 times any type of oversteer is a absolute no go in rentals because of lack of power. I would recommend watching some onboard laps of “ Jon de valle” he is a 3 time world champion now

[@Bluebird209]

I always loved to use slip angle, but in rental karts you rarely can use it. So I was happy to use it when i found 16hp rentals, where it was a little bit more possible to use slip angles. Then I tried a Rotax Senior, and I loved everything about it. I excessively used the slip angle. But when I started to put in a Mychron, where you can see the lines, and you also get a live delta time, Ia started to understand that with the grippy Race kart tires, slip angle is not really an advantage anymore. Because they are way more sticky, and if you slide, the rubber cant really stick. If you lift these karts from the ground for maintenance, you can hear a plop sound and you feel the resistance of getting the kart up let go, because of the sticky tires. With rentals, the compound is so hard, that slip angle can really help you in some corners. But with more stick tire, it mostly slows you down again.

[@tdkerman]

In slip angle tyre is not ACTUALLY slipping, it's just deforming because of lateral pressure, and when while from above it looks like slipping, rubber itself is maintaining actuall full grip with road. So slip angle IS an advantage in any 4-wheel contraption that makes you faster in corners if you do that right

[@nick16652]

May I say that was a beautiful track at the end!

[@highly_elusive]

I understand what you are saying, but it's not easy to pull off. If I try to drive like driver B, I often end up sliding/drifting. It actually works best for me in hairpins, when I lean out at the right moment, the cart rotates notably and I have a much better angle to start accelerating out of the corner. In fast corners I often go sideways too much, probably need to slow down more before the corner.

[@j7D4h]

La verdad que no corro en kartings sin embargo este vídeo es el que mejor explica el slip angle y como aprovecharlo y no solo aplica para kartings. Tu vídeo me será de bastante utilidad para continuar mejorando en el simracing. Ojalá algún día empiece a competir IRL. Un abrazo mi rey :D

[@Veer_Shandilya]

This is definitely gonna help me the next time I go for an arrive and drive and I like the new look of your videos! Keep ‘em coming 🔥🏎️

[@richardlemasters9684]

I'm a NEWBE there is a lot of great content in the channel!!! THANKS FOR SHARING!!!

[@coltonkarges2656]

I learned this almost accidentally. Go drive a Miata, the car WANTS to do this consistently, and is incredibly rewarding when done correctly! One of the very few cars that you can actually do this at “subsonic” speeds lol

[@IcedFireboy11]

I use slip angle a lot, especially in low downforce cars like the Ray FF1600 in iRacing. I only learnt about it about a month ago but I am so much faster now I know about it, around 5-6 seconds faster. I haven’t tried it in karting yet but I should be doing some open practice soon so I can’t wait to put it into practice! I know the slip angle will be high in LDF cars like karts and the Formula Ford which is why it looks like drifting even though it’s not. I control it with maintenance throttle with the Formula Ford as 1. Most corners on the track I’m racing this week only need a lift (and because the car is so sensitive to weight transfer that sends lots of the weight to the fronts which induces oversteer) and 2. brake release is usually not enough. If the oversteer can’t be resolved with maintenance throttle I use passive countersteer (letting the force feedback countersteer for me) to keep all 4 tires on the limit for as long as possible, and if that doesn’t work I aggressively countersteer to make sure I don’t spin.

[@lifeatthebackofthegrid]

I'm going to be giving this ago and see if I can improve some lap times! thanks for the explanation

[@marcellans8713]

I love the slip angle, and also need it to overcome my natural understeer (weight), I'm still practicing it, as I do not always get it right, and even in 1 heat, the grip differs round after round on the same spot sometimes. (and I know you know Omar :) )

[@P0opingCatfish]

After watching this video, I seem to be underdriving a few of the corners at my local track. I searched for this video because I realized I was utilizing slip angle at some of the fun corners where I felt confident in sliding it just enough, but I didn't know what I was actually doing until I watched this.

[@magicmatt4195]

I need to try this I think. I’m just a weekend warrior, love Motorsport and driving karts. Track I go to is indoor, using Sodi 270cc 9hp karts. I’m about 1 second off the best laps there, trying to work out where I’m going wrong, I believe it’s a hairpin where I’m slamming brakes on to break traction and rotate the kart. But might be drifting too much, might try slip angle.

[@Kyontheotakugamer]

i used slip angle on my sti at grid life in Laguna Seca. i was beating my PB's from my last trackday.

[@Skaloody]

thanks for that mate one of the biggest problems with my handling is that my cornering can be very choppy and the steering moves around alot every corner whilst still oversteering making me scrub speed but you did it very smoothy so thanks for the tip

[@PrinceWillPlaysOfficial]

I used this to my advantage many of times when karting and won the race.

[@PrinceWillPlaysOfficial]

I actually did that to the instructor twice.

[@shenyuhao1161]

Thank you so much for clarifying that! I was wondering if the slip angle technique could also to applied to a back to back tight and short U turns considering the examples shown in the video are all wide corners. Much appreciated!

[@spacerenn]

It has been a month now but i think there's a breaking technique that he explained in another one of his video that uses slip angle and show what it should look like in a hairpin , try searching treshold breaking ktips it should show up

[@peters.541]

how does usage of slip angle play a role on tire temperature and overheating during long stints?

[@ethann_vr00m]

Great video as always!!

[@mib_ua]

Thank you for another informative and useful video! Off-topic question: which action camera would you recommend for learning/working on mistakes?

[@kartingtips]

Great question! GoPro and DJI have some of the clearest video recordings at 4K 120fps which is perfect for slow motion analysis too

[@mib_ua]

@@kartingtips Nice tip regarding slow motion options! So, don't bother regarding 360° cameras, and, maybe, Insta360 single lens as well?

[@Aelorzz]

First of all, thank you for releasing this video, i do have one question for the cornering whilst using that technique, i have been using that technique during all my karting experience, altho that i’m trying to perfect it, i sometimes bounce while entering the corner, or bounce while exiting one, have you gotten any tips on avoiding bouncing during cornering?

[@theiaraine]

zero countersteer is the goal but lower slip angles can still be fun and fast

[@edwinadel3484]

I am new to karting and I am just wonder if I should use slip angle in electric karts (about 11 horsepower) or should i avoid it. The track I drive on is half indoor half outdoor with many tight corners.

[@Haligonian]

Thanks for the awesome video! I would love to see some hotlap videos with no commentary so I can see (and hear) these techniques in action :)

[@kartingtips]

Great question! Here's a link to a video of me driving without commentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XPhYZtdptjq80

[@Haligonian]

@@kartingtips Oh perfect! Thanks so much

[@RainbowSheep_was_taken]

everytime i watch ur videos i get faster by 2 seconds on the track lmao. thanks!

[@ActuallyAudacity]

Great video but I was hoping you could clarify something for me. Do we brake hard and initiate a sharp turn in with the intention of locking up the brakes or is that not the case?

[@kartingtips]

Yes, exactly that!

[@ActuallyAudacity]

@@kartingtips Brilliant thank you! I suppose when we lock the breaks the whole idea is we go off the brakes and then counter steer so we don't go into the barriers 😂 I guess that's what the slip angle is.

[@szymoniak75]

does this also apply for low power indoor karting?

[@baseerrehman9598]

I have a grid race coming up and it's my first ever race so i wanted to know which is the best technique to start from grid position in a rental kart?

[@DrR1pper]

It's not quite right to say that what Driver B is doing differently is using slip angle because it then sounds as if Driver A is not. Both are using and achieving slip angle. In fact, a vehicle cannot possibly corner unless the tyres are at a slip angle because a tyre only produces cornering force when they are at a slip angle. If the slip angle of a tyre is zero, the cornering force it will produce will also be zero. The problem is, Driver A is not achieving a high enough slip angle with his corner entry technique.

[@c0mpl3x91]

Everytime I go karting I can smash the brake pedal as hard as I want I never manage to "drift" idk why

[@Zaxi1203]

Can you please tell me where this karting track is. It looks very beautiful

[@kartingtips]

This is Lusail Karting Track in Qatar 🇶🇦 Search for MENA Nations Cup 2023 on KZbin and you’ll be able to see the track more clearly during the day time as Lusail hosted a professional karting competition 😎

[@initialdoge8528]

Question,what should I do if when I enter a corner,the inner rear wheel lifts up in the air and causes me to bounce like hell? 😭

[@Go-Karting]

Quality upload

[@886spots]

I dont know everything abt karting but id say im not too bad. These videos help teach me new techniques and Every time i go to this track i seem to improve by a second. Thanks for spreading your knowledge with us. I also just want to know whether 1:09.413 a good time at lusail?

[@HoldenGrey_Racing]

So you brake and turn the wheel at the same time?

[@RJA]

Not exactly, you're essentially using the throttle to turn the kart. Obviously you brake to start the turn tho

[@SebastianRegent]

Thanks

[@MrAWdrummer]

So it’s basically like power sliding in Mario kart? Got it

[@manolisarchagelakis5448]

Please note, as a karting champion, slip angle and control must END at exactly the apex of the corner,continue further than that and you will lose momentum on the straight after that corner

[@0shintei0]

Note to self: Driving at the limit is faster than driving under the limit.

[@bobstory2972]

Good Tutorial

[@theovertaker214]

Sometimes you know feel the car

[@kartingtips]

That’s the most important thing 💯

[@theovertaker214]

@kartingtips Yes, because different tracks, different cars, difference control. Although this videos teach how to do. But every time is difference so you learn how to feel the car

[@TysonPM12]

the karts at my local tracks are underpowered so i just flick the steering wheel coming into the corner and floor the gas.

[@Bingchilling-z5h]

That looks like something strait out of initial d

[@ieurobeatkids9378]

Usually i love your videos, but this one is just flat out wrong. Your explanation at the start was saying that driver a was under the limit, while driver b was at the limit. But in actuality, both of them are over the limit, just on opposite sets of tires. Driver A is VERY far over the limit of the front tires, while driver B is only slightly above the limit of the rear tires. All that example showed was that slight oversteer > massive understeer. You correctly give a definition of slip angle, but then try to portray it as a driving style when it's not. Neutral steer =/= slip angle. Neutral steer is the product of getting all four tires to their optimum slip angle. But there is still slip angle any time you turn the wheel. That sim racing bloke did the same thing in one of his videos, and that misconception persists today in the sim racing/touge community. Hopefully you can clear this up in a future video, because i would hate for these same misconceptions to plague the karting community as well.

[@Kirtanus]

Agree. There is no such a thing as you DO NOT use a slip angle if you are driving into any corner possible. There is a slip angle curve of grip level to the actual angle and oversteer behavior is about balance of front/rear grip.

[@endre1010]

I totally agree with you guys. That has been my biggest question in racing so far. Is there a way to know the optimum slip angle? Is it car-specific, or tyre-specific, and is there a way to know when you are at the optimum other than looking at delta time?

[@Kirtanus]

​​@@endre1010lateral acceleration value of the sport gps telemetry can be used to approximately understand how much grip you are finding in the tyres in the given corner. You cannot measure actual slip angle on the fly. From driver perspective it's all about feeling. And yes, slip angle curve is the tyre compound specific in the first place.

[@thiswillprobhrt]

I see slip angle get conflated with sliding quite often. Slip angles on rental tire are very small. Those tires have sidewalls that are almost like wood 😆

[@Obscurity202]

Ok