How to Use the Handbrake Correctly | The Ratchet Myth

Does the noise of people not using the button correctly on the handbrake send you mad? This video explains a lot more than just the ratchet myth.
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[@rogerking7258]

"You should be able to use these controls without looking at them". Please tell this to the idiot manufacturers who are putting more and more functions on touch-screens so that you simply have to take your eyes off the road to operate them.

[@thebigmacmoomin]

Modern touchscreens are just as bad as using a phone when driving. My Focus ST Mk2.5 has one but it is quite basic (original 2010 sat-nav).

[@rhonddalesley]

Yep. Mine comes up with ‘don’t take your eyes off the road blah blah’ message, unreal.

[@Beatlefan67]

Absolutely right.

[@TheVerseCity]

I have an X reg mk4 golf, the heater (including windscreen demister and heated rear window) is all operated on a digital display, although is has actual buttons I cannot use it without looking and the screen on it is so low down you can't even make out what it says on the screen without ducking to look at it.

[@MrArchy1986]

In condescending tone: u should do that before starting travel!! thats what booksmart instructors tell u. Or people who never driven car/van/lorry profesionaly. smh

[@Otacatapetl]

Slightly off topic, but if you're ever behind a large truck in stop-go traffic, and he never uses his handbrake, don't think he's a bad driver. Use the handbrake (which empties the cylinders) too many times and you run out of air, and you're stuck.

[@maxximumb]

So handbrake turns round sweeping corners on your test isn't encouraged?

[@paulcollyer801]

Only by your young friends. A good powerful rear wheel drive & you can drift, far more impressive, & if you’re really good you get to drive your examiner to the local cardiac unit... 😂😂😂

[@naysmith5272]

I wondered if someone was going to bring up handbrake turns.

[@hazharibo7439]

power slides my be frowned at too lol

[@rogerbarton497]

It ought to be included in driving lessons 😀

[@antc6130]

Free you biggavel

[@InclusiveDriving]

My tip: on a hill start, the parking brake isn't an on/off switch. You can release it slowly, giving you more time to feel if you are accidentally rolling back. If you hear the creaking noise, as well as meaning the parking brake isn't on properly, it can mean that you have too much bite on a hill start. Great video again!

[@arcticfox037]

Oh now I'm wondering, does every car with an electric handbrake have a hill stop/start assist?

[@frafraplanner9277]

As far as I know, yes @@arcticfox037

[@Lioness99a]

This video doesn't cover the possibility that your husband has driven the car before you and put the handbrake on so hard that it took both my hands to lift it far enough to push the button in! That definitely happened to me a few times - I'd go to drive off from the house, have to lift it with both hands to depress the button and lower it by one click, and then put one hand back on the wheel and get ready to move off properly! XD

[@Tim67620]

Tell him off then! If the handbrake is on so tight that an Elephant couldn't move it then you are stretching the cable and putting the whole system under too much tension ( in my view).

[@Lioness99a]

@@Tim67620 Don't worry, I did! And now we have a car with an electric handbrake so it's no longer an issue - just push a button to turn it on, and it comes off automatically as you bring the clutch up (as long as you're giving it enough gas)

[@abovethelaw4417]

@@Lioness99a Electric handbrakes are garbage fact.

[@dancoulson6579]

Being someone who lives on a hill, I'm guilty of this myself. I always have a tendancy to over-apply the handbrake. But you'd be surprised at how weak a standard handbrake actually is. Now I drive an auto, so it's no big deal. The park gear is 100x more effective than the handbrake. But when I used to drive a manual, I'd apply the handbrake very firmly and leave it in 1st.

[@WolfmanWoody]

With me it's my wife that's pulls the handbrake on too hard. She has a grip and stronger arm than Geoff Capes, yet still can't take the lids of jars.

[@ire923]

I use the handbrake all of the time but when I see car approaching at speed coming up behind me, I gently press my brake pedal to put on my brake lights on to alert them..

[@truth.speaker]

Excellent advice

[@prettypointlessvideo]

Yes very good, when you don't see brake lights ahead of you, it can be less obvious that you need to reduce your speed quickly.

[@mattkinsella9856]

Very good advice, I'm going to start doing this. I didn't really consider if I have my handbrake on then my brake lights are not on. It's obvious but never really thought about it.

[@owenanderson9395]

Good thinking. The greatest collision risk while stopped is from behind, so it's wise to scan the mirrors for non-stoppers to pulse brake lights for. Brake lights are the most important signal on a vehicle, and are worth checking regularly (using either a reflective surface or a buddy).

[@jackdeniston59]

dont the Institute of advanced motorist argue that you could 'dazzle' other motorists. Idiots.

[@craig1231]

My girlfriend thought the handbrake was an air freshener. As soon as she releases it, the smell of burning goes away XD

[@SteveXP]

Love Lee Evans 😎

[@ThBlueSalamander]

lmao

[@craig1231]

@@nbudzinski. It's a quote from Lee Evan's 👍🙂

[@chrislee5096]

Yes when I had just learnt to drive, I wanted to drive to Devon. My father spent the morning adjusting the handbrake and fitting new brake linings. When I got to Devon, realised I had had it on 2 clicks all the way and now needed all my strength to hold it on a slight hill!

[@romivictoriaperfitt5653]

😂😂

[@paulhebblethwaite7168]

Agree with everything you say Ashley. My pet hate is when I'm stuck behind those who sit in held traffic at night with their foot on the brake pedal thus burning my retinas! I've been behind some for many minutes and you're right. It dazzles, especially when it's raining.

[@johno4521]

I always make a point of putting my visor down for the duration. Of course these kind of drivers never look in the mirror either....

[@shaunsmith1825]

Especially if they're in a Sierra, I remember them having v. bright brake lights.

[@kenbrown2808]

either brits have more delicate eyes, or brighter brake lights. I've never had that problem with brake lights.

[@paulhebblethwaite7168]

@@kenbrown2808 When you're sat for ages without moving because of an issue ahead, and it's raining, and it's one of these modern cars with one brake light each side and one in the centre, you'll know all about it.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@paulhebblethwaite7168 where I live, we call a day with all that you describe, "today" though if there is a severe stoppage, people will often shut the car down once there are enough cars behind that the people coming up on the stoppage know there's a stoppage. or they will turn on their hazard lights, to make it more noticeable.

[@Jonno180556ADI]

I was in the motor trade for many years before becoming an ADI. I have sold many handbrake ratchet mechanisms to replace worn out ones due to people not using the button when applying the handbrake.

[@BrianMcGuirkBMG]

How many had worn out buttons?😂

[@grahamnutt8958]

Well said and totally agree 👍

[@danielpresley5796]

My car is 19 years old and has 147,000 miles on the clock and the handbrake is original, ratchet works perfectly and I never push the button in when pulling it up

[@highdownmartin]

Jonno180556ADI I've chucked a few ratchets( socket drive tools) cos they were worn out. Even good steel wears out, let alone the fine ratchet teeth made of cheese, on a modern car ,

[@highdownmartin]

Daniel Presley you owned it since new, or do you think previous owners have had more mechanical sympathy than you.

[@ivorwhitecar]

A good informative video thanks. It is how I was taught to drive back in 1982. Being dazzled by brake lights in a traffic queue is so annoying!

[@125brat]

Especially so when it's raining and the vehicle in front has multiple high brightness LED lights. It's actually an offence to cause dazzle by incorrect use of lights on a vehicle.

[@Phillthy59]

People creeping forward at lights really wind me up. Like, what's the point? So you can get to your destination 0.03 seconds sooner. Just stick handbrake on and wait for the change.

[@specialopsdave]

People do that in Europe? I thought only automatic drivers did that (you never use the handbrake in an auto unless parked)

[@yogscastlover4256]

@@specialopsdave people always play with the biting point at traffic lights, so frustrating

[@bespokefencing]

I got told by a driving assessor that not pressing the button on application would "stretch the cable". I told him thats how a parking brake works, you could could only stretch it if it was incorrectly adjusted, and they dont make the ratchet or pawl out of pot metal, they use hardened material that will outlast the vehicle. He didn't swallow this at the time but did email me later, after consulting the manufactuters info, to agree with my thoughts. Good video👍

[@richardharvey1732]

Hi Ashley, I always like the thorough and calm way that you explain your points with very clear examples which I can easily understand. Living down here in the fens where there are no hills, just the odd slight slope!, I got used to mostly not using the handbrake at all most of the time, in fact I had to make a special point of using it all the time when I took my test fifty years ago. I suddenly noticed last year that there is one situation when I always use it without even thinking about it, every time I stop the car or van with the engine running to exit the vehicle to open or close a gate!. The reason that I don't always use the brake when I stop is because it won't go far on the flat, or I leave it in gear, I always dip the clutch when I start anyway, a hang-over from the days when clutches had were known to bind when left standing!. The rest of the time when driving, unless the slope is away or steep I put the car into the next gear that I want as soon as I stop, then take up the slack on the clutch and hold, I will turn off the engine and release the clutch if I have to stop for more the 30 seconds, then dip the clutch and re-start just before the traffic starts to move, I also leave a half to three quarters car length space, or more if it is a lorry or large van, so that I have some room to move if I want and don't have to breathe all the fumes from the vehicle in front of me!. Some or all of these habits of mine differ from the procedures that you teach, and quite rightly so, where I think we do entirely agree is constant vigilance and attention, planning and anticipation is essential at all times in all conditions, if you want to relax or do something else get off the road!. Cheers, Richard.

[@MSM4U2POM]

Always a good idea to secure the vehicle, especially if you have to leave it unattended. It's not a legal requirement to set the handbrake in these circumstances, but it can save an awful lot of grief if it decides to start moving for any reason.

[@stuartlucarotti9927]

I always remember being taught: If a pause becomes a break, use the handbrake! What do you think Ashley?

[@ButterflySimmer]

That good. My instructor tells me that if I waiting for more then 10 seconds then use it.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

When doing my training to become an instructor, I was taught that if nothing was going to change for a little while, then put the parkingbrake (handbrake) on. However, when I finished my part 2 exam (an hour long driving test with a senior examiner), although I passed first time, the examiner said, "There were times when I thought, 'oh no, he's going for the handbrake again!' You're using the handbrake more than an experienced driver should do." I pointed out that I was just doing what my trainers had taught me. I do tell my students that if they are waiting for a little while (especially at night, as some modern cars have very bright brake lights), then put the handbrake on, but I don't insist that they engage it every time they're stopped for a few seconds, as, as long as they are in control of the vehicle, that's what matters.

[@AlexTunstall]

@@pineapplepenumbra I know you wrote this 2 years ago, but my brake lights stay on if I use my handbrake when the ignition is on because it's just doing a 'hold' with the electric parking brake

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@AlexTunstall Ah interesting. I did not know that, thank you. That reminds me, I came off a roundabout onto a 70 mph dual carriageway and a woman had broken down close to the roundabout. I thought that, as it was such a dangerous place to stop, maybe I could tow her to somewhere safer. As soon as I walked up to her, she handed me her phone. She was talking to the breakdown service, but they didn't understand her accent, so didn't know where she was, what her car was, etc, so I told them and said I'd ring them back if I could move her to somewhere safer. Unfortunately, she had a push button handbrake, and we couldn't get it off and she didn't know where the manual override was. I had another lesson to get to, so couldn't spend too long with her, but found out later that originally, the garage couldn't find out why the car kept cutting out, but, the second time she took it in, they replaced one of the two chips controlling the fuel flow, and that sorted the problem out (it turned out she worked in the town I live in, and recognised me).

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@AlexTunstall 2 years ago? The older one gets, the faster time flies, 2 years ago doesn't seem like long at all. One girl I taught had to stop taking lessons, due to various family members getting ill, dying, etc, and started again later. I though it was about 3 years later, but it turned out to be 7 years! I've got very little concept of time...

[@1daddyDA]

Totally agree with you about ratcheting the Hand brake on. Had a tuition car when my boys were little. My explanation to pupils was along the lines of ‘preferably put the button in when pulling on the handbrake. Why you might ask? Well it’s not going to wear out the mechanism because that’s a very hard steel but Imagine your passengers (and me) have to listen to that racket every time you use the hand brake. Imagine if you have passengers asleep on a long night drive?’ Like your point about Yankee screw drivers. If I was ever teaching again I’d keep one in the glove box to make just that point. Hence if a pupil did ratchet the HB on this would not count as a ‘fault’ even on a Driving test It’s essential we dispel these and other myths with new drivers. Can not wait to see your new car!

[@Lioness99a]

That's exactly what my driving istructor told me - it won't do any damamge but it will drive him and any future passengers mad if that's all they heard driving round a town!

[@adinigel]

One car I had the ratchet did wear out and had to be replaced.

[@brightreason]

When I apply the handbrake I always keep my foot on the brake too until the car behind stops, then take my foot off the pedal. It is a good indicator that traffic has stopped ahead, for whatever reason, and just in case the following driver isn't concentrating on the road ahead.

[@chrispop99]

Me too!

[@sirderam1]

Better to "dab" the brake pedal a few times so the brake lights flash on and off. Our brain will register a flashing light more quickly than a steady light.

[@chrispop99]

@@sirderam1 Maybe; it will drastically shorten bulb life however.

[@TimpBizkit]

I usually use the hazards to warn of a stop round a bend

[@sirderam1]

@@chrispop99 Maybe, but I'd rather replace the bulbs a little more frequently than have a car hit me from behind. Probably cheaper in the long run - not to mention being a good deal less inconvenient. Or were you joking?

[@lizstubbs2969]

I'm an experienced driver and there's always more to learn I have learnt things from this video even.now after 20 yrs driving, keep up the amazing work making these great videos 👍👍

[@HumansAreShitFactories]

20 years doesn’t make you experienced

[@lizstubbs2969]

@@HumansAreShitFactories in comparison to a new driver I think you will find it does, doing something for a long time means you are experienced at it

[@petstar88]

I was told by a mechanic, that if you lift the handbreak with the button pressed, it will make the spring in the button wareout twice as fast. But again like your saying in the video, both ways are perfectly fine to do

[@cmartin_ok]

The spring cannot wear out !

[@Tim67620]

Ashley, I found your channel literally one week ago and have now watched many of your videos. I was a bit surprised at your advice about using the ratchet to apply the handbrake. To me it's like nails on a blackboard and a sign of laziness. Each to their own and I actually thought that the video would be about this. You surprise me often but you also instruct and I thank you for that.

[@koncorde]

When I bought my car it was a few years old (2 or 3) but low mileage, and a clean bill of health. After a few days of driving I started to suspect the handbrake wasn't working as it should. The clicky ratchet sound didn't seem to be consistent, and the bite level seemed to vary. Initially I assumed the lack of clicky noises was due to some new handbrake design as I had recently driven an electronic one, and a manual BMW, and they were so very different in feel to my own car which was ancient and had a handbrake somewhere in the floor. But then one morning I got into the car and did the approved lift and click to release the handbrake and it just fell down with no resistance at all. Lifting it there was no resistance at all either, like the entire mechanism was missing - but with a sharp pull I was able to get it to engage and got out and called the garage. Following my granddads long remembered advice when he taught me to drive, I also parked with my front wheels turned against the kerb (even though I wasn't on much of a hill, more the road camber) - which was a good job as I watched the handbrake a few moments letter snap from its locked position. So not sure what element was worn out, or what the previous driver had been doing in the 30,000 miles it had done, but the lack of clicks, a change in tension points, or a handbrake that moves too freely in the hand should be taken as a warning sign! The entire assembly was replaced by the garage FOC of course as it had a parts warranty to go with their "full guaranteed" mechanical assessment (which I am now much less trusting of).

[@MrsJolene-]

Also a tip: if your handbrake is broken or it's freezing, put it in gear and then switch of with foot on clutch, then release. It shouldn't roll away in gear, and you can choose which gear. Pick a higher one if you're on an abnormally steep hill and you're afraid it will start the engine by rolling off. I always do this, it's also fast to get going again next time.

[@DavidFraser007]

It was an old army myth about wearing out the handbrake ratchet but it's not true. As an ex REME mechanic, I never changed or even heard about any handbrake ratchet needing to be replaced. Anybody spouting this nonsense needs to wind their neck in. One of my cars, a VW Passat, has an electronic handbrake, it took a bit of getting used to but now I like how it works. This was a good video, very informative and spot on.

[@_.Madness._]

I've never in my life used the button when putting the handbrake on. Didn't even know this was a thing. Why would anyone do that? The ratchet is there for a reason.

[@lordpbrockway6401]

Because it wares it out..

[@_.Madness._]

@@lordpbrockway6401 That's a myth. Kind of like saying you are wearing out your car by driving.

[@Mr.NiceUK]

To avoid the annoying clicking noise! As long as you release the button before the handle as Ashley says it's fine...

[@_.Madness._]

​@@Mr.NiceUK Some people are way too sensitive. There's nothing annoying about the sound, I actually like hearing it. It lets me know the handbrake was applied correctly and my car is safe and secure.

[@quillomanar5038]

You know that clicky sound the rollercoaster makes when going up a chainlift? Ratchet. If only there was a handbrake button for the rollercoaster so the ratchet doesn't ware down. Dx

[@prettypointlessvideo]

I guess the handbrake button is actually like a clutch control, as you are disengaging the ratchet whilst repositioning it and then dropping it back in :)

[@MeTube3]

Roller coaster mechanisms are inspected more than daily and replaced often.

[@mick6263]

Back when I was learning my instructor learned and told me not to use the ratchet as it will damage the mechanism so learned me to hold the button first then apply the handbrake. Still to this day I press the button in first.

[@lizichell2]

In the manual it said to pull it up without pressing the release button

[@Wordavee1]

My Ford has 142,000 miles on the clock, I've always clicked the ratchet and never had any need to repair it.

[@richardjohnston1086]

On many classic cars the ratchet is often not very durable, and soon wears out if the ratchet is allowed to click

[@carolynthompson3291]

Me too and I learned in the ‘80’s

[@rp003.0]

it's pretty ridiculous tbh, exactly the same idea as a ratchet on a tool or bike freewheel, you never see those go bad

[@derekdelboytrotter8881]

you see people sit at traffic lights for a few minutes with their foot on the brake, i don't like to do that. if you put the handbrake on then you can relax.

[@RabbiShekelGrabbersixgorrilion]

Some people drive automatics.

[@derekdelboytrotter8881]

@@RabbiShekelGrabbersixgorrilion So? in an automatic you still have a brake peddle and a handbrake so stopping at a junction or traffic lights is no different than stopping in a manual.

[@jodelboy]

@@RabbiShekelGrabbersixgorrilion almost every automatic will have a "P" (park) setting ;)

[@jacobthompson8507]

No, it ends up taking ages to pull away in an automatic if you put the handbrake on. In my Volvo XC40, if you put the handbrake on whilst at the lights, the Stop/Start engine system turns its self off, and then straight back on once you put the handbrake on, and it automatically goes back into park. So this means when the light goes green, I need to put my foot on the brake, put the car back into drive, turn off the handbrake, press the button to release the Stop/Start and THEN go, which means I would hold up a lot of people behind me, so I never use the handbrake unless I’m parked.

[@jodelboy]

@@jacobthompson8507 does the XC40 not also automatically turn off the damn e-handbrake if you press the gas-pedal?

[@grayfox7671]

Good to see this. I’ve always applied the hand/parking brake at a stop of more than a few seconds, as this is what I was taught. At a set of lights, for example, look at the drivers with their foot firmly planted on the footbrake, staring at the lights willing them to change. I put on my handbrake, and it gives me opportunity to look around, see what’s happening at the junction and ahead, be aware of any potential hazards. Also I‘d heard that should your brake discs be hot, letting the pads move away from the discs by releasing the foot brake allows the discs to cool evenly. Maybe that’s why so many brake discs are changed because they have warped.

[@stephencope7178]

Times do change (along with instructions) but I believe a lot of drivers now do not use the handbrake hardly. This is evident at traffic lights etc, when the driver in front is doing his/her best to burn the retinas out of your eyes. If I have stopped at traffic lights that have just changed against me, I put on the handbrake, slip the gear into neutral, then watch the opposing lights. Once they are starting to change, I slip my car into first gear and prepare to move off. Also I was taught to use the handbrake when performing hill starts. . .busy engine, clutch to bite and release the handbrake. The car then stands still until you continue to let the clutch up and increase the revs.

[@rjones6219]

One of my drivers used to depress the button technique when applying it. Alas, one day, after they had left the vehicle, it rolled away down a slight slope in reverse and into a main carriageway. It hit another vehicle.

[@Austin40424]

The temptation in my automatic is to keep my foot on the footbrake in queuing traffic as its easier but lazier driving. I'll be using my handbrake a lot more from now on,thanks Ashley.

[@stillben]

I put mine in park

[@DC3Refom]

As long your not doing at night with traffic I don't think it makes a great deal difference either way ,

[@Austin40424]

@@boxenjoyerkona I didn't mean I use my handbrake in drive but in park.

[@MrKarlRichards]

You do not and should not put into park. You should remain in D with your foot on the break. Manual and automatic are totally different transmission

[@darronian4951]

When I was taught 20 odd years ago, you were taught to use the button for applying the handbrake as well as for releasing it, however a few years later, on reading the owners manual for the car/s I owned, started to just pull handbrake straight up without using the button as the manufacturers had specified, and only using the button for releasing it, which at the time made logical sense. You can usually tell if someone isn't using their handbrake, because their brake lights are on for ages, which is annoying if you are directly behind them at junctions etc and especially at night.

[@xGeorge1337x]

My instructor told me that the reason it changed is because there were instances of some Vauxhall Corsas where the handbrake, when applied using the button, will not click/lock into position correctly. It would undo itself and the car would end up somewhere else when you came back it. Vauxhall issued a statement saying that you must use the handbrake without the button and recalled the affected cars. A lot of driving instructor cars are Corsas, so they had to stop giving you a minor for that on the test. I always let my handbrake ratchet. I find the noise quite satisfying plus it's an audible confirmation that my handbrake is on.

[@darronian4951]

@@xGeorge1337x yes, I remember hearing stories of vauxhall cars especially corsas where the handbrake disengaged and it rolled of driveways or down hills, I actually passed my test in a corsa decades ago.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

I don't use the rachet as the sound annoys me. BUT it comes in handy if I'm on a steep hill and find I haven't given it quite enough. Then I know 1 or 2 clicks will do it.

[@robertjohnston3848]

Every time I watch your videos I learn something new. Thank you 😊

[@Peakwanderer]

9:20 I reckon around 90% of supposed experienced drivers would benefit from watching this, I'm always surrounded by a sea of tall cars with drivers sat with their foot on the brake pedal and more often than not as with most new cars extremely over bright brake lights, and they just sit there for as long as it takes for the lights to change never once using the handbrake, does my head in it really does.

[@steamhammer2k]

Hi Peakwanderer- It`s interesting how different things do peoples heads in. Using the rachet on the hand brake does mine, it`s the sound it makes ..UGH. Keeping feet on brake does not bother me for some reason....

[@Peakwanderer]

@@steamhammer2k yes that grates with me also, but I only get exposed to that in the odd video on here. It's all about the lights, if they weren't so bright and high up in my eye line I wouldn't be so bothered, just poor and lazy driving.

[@steamhammer2k]

@@Peakwanderer yep i cannot agree more... lights on huge 4x4 `s are high up and right in your face . ..blinding you, I once had a 1971 triumph 2000 that had rear light dimming when the car lights were on, well advanced for it`s age... have never seen that since, should be on new cars.

[@IToohat]

@@steamhammer2k I had a 1976 Datsun cherry coupe that would automatically dim all it's lights when the car was at idle, and the lights would go bright again while driving....now that was a fancy feature 🤣 (internet disclaimer for future people finding this post: I am not actually this stupid, I understand why the lights dim when at idle...this is a joke).

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@IToohat Datsun 100a similar feature lol. Drive a Rover P5B now - got it set up with high tick over to prevent the auto dimming lol.

[@ppheanix]

Agreed; I use the park brake when stopped at traffic lights to save my leg on the foot brake AND so the driver behind does not think they can charge off (and likely rear end me) when the lights change and my brake lights go out (IF sat there with my foot on the brake). I also NEVER use the ratchet (that's the way I was taught) as it will eventually wear the teeth AND the pawl (the part released by the push button as Ashley demonstrated). Using the ratchet prevents one from 'feeling' the brake and cable tension, although my old Rover 3 litre P5 used hard connected rods and levers.

[@ANiceRoach]

Eye opening seeing the comments saying they didn’t know about the little lift! My first driving lesson was sat in a car park going through he controls of the vehicle, including all of this about the handbrake.

[@houstonceng]

Unfortunately, the so called “correct way” pressing the button on the way up has been taught by people who don’t understand what a pawl and ratchet system is designed to do. You should let the pawl click on the way up. I have seen a number of cases where the driver, taught to use the button on the way up, has released pressure on the lever just before releasing the button. The lever has then dropped suddenly until the pawl engaged. This will cause more damage to the ratchet or pawl than letting it click on the way up. Trust me, I’m an Engineer !

[@chrishughes3405]

Thanks for naming the mechanism. Wikipedia hooooo

[@MrArchy1986]

Preach. Im from eastern europe and there everyone pulls handbrake without button. Everyone.

[@RealButcher]

Correct. Any ratchet used for loosening a bolt, always clicks when turning back, before the force turn. Never wears out.

[@Tazinio01]

My first instructor used to make me put it back down and then back up whilst pressing the button. 😂

[@rogerbarton497]

You will get zero wear on the ratchet and pawl if they are disengaged when applying the handbrake, if they are not rubbing against each other, they won't wear. The situation you mention where the driver releases the button and lets the lever drop is bad driving, and that's what needs fixing. I have seen worn ratchets and pawls on older vehicles, probably older than most people would care to drive, and I have known this to cause handbrakes to fail. The operation of a ratchet and pawl relies on the sawtooth profile of the components, this ensures the pawl drops into the ratchet, if the profile becomes rounded due to wear it is possible for the pawl to sit on top of a ratchet "tooth" and drop down later. If ratchet and pawl are badly worn the momentum could release the handbrake sufficiently to allow the car to roll, more likely on vehicles where the handbrake acts on a brake disc. I always press the button, pull the lever, release the button and lower the lever into its "on" position.

[@grahamnutt8958]

Quite a few differences of opinion (judging by the comments read thus far) and clearly some issues with these electronic/ automatic handbrake systems. As someone who has worked in the Motor Trade I have to agree that it is possible to wear the ratchet mechanism out and be left with no handbrake until that part is replaced. I tend to use the button to prevent premature wear or eventual failure of the part like many other people who have left a comment but, all said and done, it is all down to the individual as to their preference. Different vehicles require more "clicks" than others so it really is a case of getting used to your vehicle. Thanks to Ashley for yet another great upload and providing us all with a topic for discussion. Stay safe out there 👍

[@Rhyd]

One of my first driving lessons was with a driving instructor who decided I was going to break his car because I pulled up the handbrake without using the release button, That was the first and last lesson i ever took with him. I personally believe in not using the button to pull up just to ensure it's fully between the teeth and not sitting on top ready to ping back down and let the car roll. Obviously using the button to release the handbrake though.

[@greganddorne]

I have an i40 with electronic hand break, the interesting thing is you can use "auto Hold" come to a stop at light say and it holds the break for you in neutral but with this your break lights stay on, only if I then apply the hand break button do the break lights go out. So although I like the auto hold when I stop at lights etc I generally still apply full hand break so not to dazzle people behind.

[@ollieb9875]

A break is a rest, a brake is used to arrest the car's progress.

[@greganddorne]

So sorry I can not spell & any offence caused. P.s Ashley can't ether............

[@ollieb9875]

@@greganddorne just a friendly poke friend, nothing to worry about

[@MarkJT1000]

I recall my instructor (45 years ago) saying the same thing about applying the handbrake when you are waiting to turn right into a side road. If you're in gear with your foot on the clutch and someone hits you from behind your foot will come off the clutch and you'll shoot forwards. For the same reason don't have your wheels turned to the right. I'm a button man but my wife is a ratchet woman. Its not so much the ratchet noise that annoys me but the violent way she wrenches the lever up every time. 😀

[@Poodz_]

Nice video! After getting my license I slowly ditched using the handbrake at stops, except for on steep hill starts or really long waits in traffic. For shorter breaks I even sit in 1st with my foot on the clutch. But your point about rear-enders makes sense and I'd never actually given it much thought. Will definitely try using the handbrake more at stops to see if I like it.

[@barry-iv8ll]

I've spent the last 20 years with 2 cars, each kept around 2-12 years ago, I have used the handbrake like I'm on a driving test for that whole time, the reason quite simply that I look for any opportunity to relax my feet and legs. I have never pushed the button in when applying, but have always pulled it up slowly and gently, to the number of clicks I know will hold it. If not using the button really does, as some people are claiming here, wear out your ratchet, it may seem intuitive that this is more likely to be happen by the sharp yanking motion that a lot of people use. I know this is purely anecdotal evidence, but I've never had a problem with my handbrake, never got looser between services. My brother drives exactly the same and neither as he. RE: the dazzle caused, this has become more of an issue over the years. 1) brighter LED lights, 2) more vehicles on the road which have their brake lights higher up and at eye level. I find myself using the sunvisor a lot and sitting up very straight so it blocks the light and have found myself shouting out of the window on a few occasions because it is so uncomfortable. Almost as unforgivable, more unforgivable, is sitting there with your indicator on when there is absolutely no need. e.g. 4 lanes at traffic light, right 2 go right, separated from left 2 by chevron marking with unbroken line. Due to heavy traffic I had sit behind some lunatic in the right most lane for 10 minutes yesterday with ultra bright LED brakelights permanently illuminated and even brighter LED indicator flashing the whole time.

[@grahamnutt8958]

Great comment. You have probably saved ratchet wear by utilising the slow/gentle way as opposed to yanking it (handbrake) up. I have replied to a few other people today - perhaps your comment should be highlighted as your way *albeit without button* seems to be absolutely fine. I also note that this is how Ashley demonstrated this lesson 👍

[@BridgeToGantry]

Good post regarding brake lights - and concur regarding the use of the sun visor. Noticed over the last few years every man and his dog sits at traffic lights with their footbrake constantly depressed. Now a lot here agree it's very annoying to sit behind bright lights, but there are plenty that use the 'I'll drive how I like' attitude. Some one was even complaining it took an extra second to reselect drive before taking the handbrake off. I like this channel - primarily as the teaching ethic seems to adhere to the 'drive by consent' principle with a dose of healthy respect for other road users. It's helpful for learners and licence holders alike. Just spare a nano-second for others around you and stop being all about you.

[@theaylesburycyclist8756]

My pet hate is when people sit in a queue of traffic with their foot on the break pedal. Especially at night when you're getting dazzled... I think it's the epitome of bad/lazy driving, and basically not giving a fcuk about anyone else around you...🤬🤬🤬

[@pussinboots1145]

You get annoyed easy.

[@theaylesburycyclist8756]

@@pussinboots1145 Clearly you know me better than I know myself...

[@olivertaylor4779]

I remember years ago replacing many handbrake pawls on Fords, they were plastic btw so they did wear out and or break, I don't know if they have changed over the years but THEY DO WEAR OUT.

[@chrispomphrett4283]

Yes, they do. I MOTd a Vauxhall with the rack's teeth all rounded and the pawl with no edge left. To be fair it was a high miles vehicle used for stop start deliveries with 120,000 miles on it.

[@rp003.0]

sounds like shitty design for something that's meant to hold the weight of a car. My damn bike freehub has metal pawls

[@DragsterIOW]

Anyone else remember an episode of watchdog about 10 years ago? possibly more. I can't remember if it was just one car model of if it was across the board but they were getting loads of cases were the handbrake was releasing all on its own, they even had a home cctv shot of one parked on someone's driveway and it showed the handbrake releasing all on it's own and the car rolling down the steep driveway and out onto the road. They looked into it and it turned out the problem was due to people pressing the button when pulling it up. This may indeed stop the noise and prevent wear to the mechanism but it means that you're thumb is responsible for deciding where the ratchet pawl ends up. The issue is when it is released onto the top of a gear tooth and not in between 2 teeth. Although it's rare, if it catches just right then it will hold for a period of time but can fail as it is not meshed properly. If you pull up on the handbrake and let the pawl spring do the work then this is much less likely to happen. I guess it's a case of determining which method causes more failures; either wear on the teeth or incorrect meshing.

[@ianyates7742]

When you apply the handbrake you are only locking the rear wheels if you sit with your foot on the break you have looked all four wheels I just thought I would point that out so if you want to be ultra safe use both

[@phantomtoast5747]

This is how I was taught as well, I (almost) always use the handbrake when stopped especially uphill. It lets you move off properly and much faster, and also it’s more comfortable. I still don’t understand why people choose to sit for 2 or 3 minutes in traffic with their foot on the brake pedal lmao (unless you’re driving an automatic maybe, but even they still can use it)

[@Tim67620]

If it is a newer car then it will have an electronic brake with a hill holder. I agree, there's no reason whatever to stand on the foot brake emitting light sabre red light. The Force is with my retinas!

[@adeladd7638]

What about on a hill? So many drivers now like to slip the clutch,bobbing up and down as they cook the pressure plate and flywheel,DMFs are not cheap.

[@Tim67620]

@@adeladd7638 The only time that I ever used the clutch to control the car on a hill was when I was in a Driving School car. My Dad told me off for doing it in his car and told me why. I was surprised when Ashley said he never had to change a clutch in any car that he had. So I ragged the clutch bite point on lessons and used the handbrake when driving my Dad's and all my own. I passed in 1975. Not much has changed since on this point since except the hill holder and electronic handbrake. Generally I find Ashley's analyses extremely interesting. I am glad I did not have to pass my test in Liverpool or any major city. However, we did have to negotiate more obstacles back then. Worn thrust bearings and DMFs are not particularly expensive but getting to them is. That is why modern clutches are generally replaced and not repaired. .

[@SPTSuperSprinter156]

electronic handbrakes are in my opinion the devil's work. If you are unfortunate enough to lose regular brakes and also have a serious electrical problem with the car, I wouldn't have much confidence that the brake could work in an emergency. You also won't be able to modulate the pressure to come to a safe stop, it's an on or off affair. To me electronic handbrakes remove the "emergency" failsafe aspect given to you by a hand operated one. A step backwards.

[@jacintarene_]

Cal when the ebrake is used while moving, hydraulics (abs) are used to firmly but smoothly brake the car until it reaches a very low speed where the electromechanism is applied. So what’s your issue? Mechanical brakes can fail 🤷🏼‍♀️ if there was an electrical fault with the car, there would be indicators of such, in the vast majority of the cases.

[@VeyronBD]

@jacintalovesart He means if you lose main brakes (blow a pipe or something) the electronic handbrake is a part of that same hydraulic system so it will also not function and you don't have a cable back up so at that point you're basically screwed.

[@timpauwels3734]

In Belgium we’re taught to put the car in first gear to not roll when rear ended. But that’s recent I think, because my parents were taught to put it in neutral because the car would “leap forward” if in gear, or so they said. This was in the 70s. The instructions for uphill starts also rely on the foot brake. But instructions vary widely between countries. We’re taught to cross over while steering a sharp turn and “feeding the wheel” is considered poor form.

[@andyhowlett2231]

In all my 50 years driving I've always allowed the ratchet to do its clicky job when I apply the brake. It was designed that way. The button is there only to release it.

[@elliottmanley5182]

This brought back bad memories of a terrible driving instructor who barely spoke to me except to tell me how annoying it was to listen to the handbrake clicking all day.

[@danielfinch362]

I learned to drive in a manual lorry. I was in the army, trained by civillian drivers. We were taught to apply a hand break everytime we stop, so best not to stop if you can help it. With automatic gear boxes, it's not always as nesesary, but old habits die hard. Defo need hand brake on a hill start.

[@MrPoopnoddy]

Two things: I drive an automatic, but still use the [electronic] handbrake at almost every stop. It's just easier and more relaxing to get into the habit of using it. The other thing - those who allow the pawl to ride roughshod over the ratchet are just uncouth yobs with no etiquette skills whatsover; they probably use a fork with their right hand and don't tie their shoe laces in a proper double bow every time they put their shoes on. All are signs of slovenliness and none would get a job with me.

[@huskytail]

It's interesting, I was advised when I was taking my driver's license to always keep my foot on the brakes, even when the handbrake is on, in order to transmit information to cars behind or approaching cars that I'm not moving. It's interesting how such little differences can be found between countries and instructors. Also, I never thought about lifting the handbrake with the button. 😁

[@ElMuelio]

I've always used my handbrake a lot, mainly for the reason of dazzling people behind. I can't stand being stuck in traffic behind a modern (usually german) car with LED brake lights because they're so bright they give me a headache.

[@pawkbun]

The use of the button when applying the handbrake seems to be an age old argument. As well as researching the issue, in the manuals for both cars I've owned (Vauxhall and Ford) it even says under the parking brake section: "Note: Do not press the release button while pulling the lever up. " Check the manual, end of story! (Unless your manual doesn't say anything, then just do your own research, to which you'll find it is just a myth).

[@rexjaru]

Excellent - it’s always good to reference a point in an owners manual! I’ve done that before myself.

[@lizstubbs2969]

I did know about lifting it before pressing the button and releasing slowly while holding the button, I am glad I been doing this bit right 👍👍👍

[@AndyJay15]

I didn't realise you had a few drivers working for you. I thought I drove past you in a white BMW yesterday heading towards Manc on the East Lancs, but then I saw another different vehicle today with the same roof sign haha.. Keep up the videos I enjoy watching them :)

[@JohnnyDub16]

I once had an instructor who told me not to use the ratchet mechanism because it would wear it out when in reality he just didn't want to listen to it. I'd have preferred if he was honest from the outset instead of BSing me. You often see vans with blown rear brake lights purely because the handbrake is buried on the floor and a PITA to reach all the time so footbrake is held on instead.

[@owainsutton4865]

I was taught to not use the ratchet when putting it on - but had a commonsense instructor who explained that this was ONLY because some people found the sound annoying!

[@dopiaza2006]

What about a flyoff handbrake that you have to push the button to lock it on? My Triumph GT6 has one, great for handbrake turns but confuses the hell out of most drivers :)

[@michaelthwaite3282]

Agree 100% regarding using the parking brake when stationary from a couple of seconds onwards - the glare from vehicles in front is damned annoying. However, do not agere with regards to the ratchet not wearing out. From a previous profession involving "accident" investigation I can recall a number of occasions when a vehicle rolling away was due to the ratchet having become rounded rather than "toothed" due to the brake having consistently been pulled up over the whole range.

[@BASvist]

That's an interesting POV - I was taught over here to use handbrake only/mainly when parking or waiting at railroad crossing. Plus that bit about rolling back - I was told to let clutch "bite" a little then release the brake and go for the gas. The second or so until you start moving it'll hold you/move slightly forward so there is less chance of going back (well that and hill hold in my car helps too). But thanks for the video :)

[@AaronJaunty]

Didn't realise you're supposed to lift it first before pushing in the button, although I probably do automatically thinking about it. Thanks for dispelling the clicking myth

[@paulcollyer801]

Totally agree with the handbrake thing there, on all points. Artic driver, and during a driving assessment a few years ago, my assessor asked why I used the handbrake as opposed to the anti-rollback switch:- tech fails, me using old school sh*t doesn’t, unless it’s my fault. Important point to note:- Most handbrakes are drum brakes, i.e. horseshoe brake pads pushed out onto a round friction drum. The drums can, in rare cases, become elliptical, i.e. not quite round, but slightly oval. IF you apply the handbrake with the drum at it’s narrowest & don’t apply enough pressure, getting out/in can cause the vehicle to roll. I’ve had this happen twice in 36yrs of driving for a living, and even know a cop (who avoided a cake fine as a Traffic Cop was 1st to his car after, & saw the handbrake was up) who also had it happen. In my case, I was driving a lwb sherpa van and parked on a downward slope collecting from a firm. I jumped in the back with the items to sort my load, & a few seconds later thought, “That’s odd, feels like I’m ..” looked out the back & luckily saved it before I crashed.... phew. Squeaky btm time

[@vulgivagu]

On my Ford Mondeo you have to use the ratchet when applying the handbrake. Presumably it is something to do with the tensioner. Before this car I always pressed the release button which is what my driving instructor told me in 1965 !

[@donkmeister]

0:57 years back I was taught to call it the parking brake - whilst it's not a frequent topic of conversation, for years I had people saying "uh, call it a handbrake". It finally paid off when I bought a Mercedes with a foot-operated parking brake and didn't have to change what I called it.

[@jodelboy]

handrake? do you not have a leafblower? it's 2020!

[@MartyInTheWoods]

or a trashcan? Do you see the trash in the hedges on top of the wall? First I thought it is a bit of snow! LOL edit: this is a public area, which explains the leaves and the trash :-) edit2: r/wooosh! sorry, I did not read your handrake joke! :-D

[@jodelboy]

@@MartyInTheWoods I wish I could post my grammar-nazi meme on here but it's not possible - thumbs up for your two edits ;D

[@fredneecher1746]

The great thing about leaf-blowers is since the leaves are all now in another part of the garden you can blow them all back again! When oh when will someone invent a leaf-sucker?

[@tnetroP]

You've just demonstrated the handbrake in exactly the same way that my instructor taught me 33 years ago. My current car has an electronic brake and I hate it. I far prefer a traditional one.

[@crazyt1483]

With me as a student I learnt button in for up, move it to the hill safe point, let the button go then up one ratchet to ensure that I know that hand break is on a ratchet point. Then I let my foot off the foot break. If I start for some reason to roll (instructors car needed a bit more umth to get to the sweet spot on the break) it’s back on the foot break and pull the handle up (without the button) until I couldn’t with one hand pull any harder or 2 clicks (whatever is first)

[@MidnightIsolde]

Thanks for this. I had the issue of letting go of the button before the handbreak is completely down, so obviously end up with it still being on when trying to move. I'll keep it pressed in until it's completely down.

[@markstainton9080]

Most efficient way to apply the park brake is to press and hold the foot brake so that the handbrake only has to ratchet up behind the shoes/pads. Brake will be applied with more pressure and less effort. Same for releasing if a previous driver is a bit stronger than you.

[@radishpea6615]

I hate hearing the ratchet when people apply the handbrake. Ashley, you make a good point about brake lights dazzling the driver behind. I mentioned this on this video and got flamed for it. Are drivers of automatics more guilty of this then drivers of manuals?

[@shaunsmith1825]

If you have been driving 'enthusiastically' and your brakes are hot, sitting with your foot on the brake pedal when stationary can warp your brake disks.

[@CycolacFan]

Never use the handbrake after a few enthusiastic laps of a race track either, pads can melt onto the discs. Park in gear.

[@FlyingFun.]

Good tips, I always park in gear even with handbrake on just in case handbrake fails, Auto stop start caught me out the other day though doing this when I got a bit flustered with the wife nagging me about something or other I forgot I had not actually turned off the engine and shoved it in gear after parking up and engine started oops , only did that once and no harm done but shows how modern tech can interfere with driving habits sometimes. I really dont like the idea of sm electronic handbrake.

[@waynegriffiths5143]

I apply the Hand brake with the button but I always allow the last two clicks to lock it. I mainly do that as I'm a cabbie and use it hundreds of times a day and full clicking it all day would drive me mad. However I have had it years ago using button only to only partially engage and then bump over and down off the rest of the teeth, so I now always ensure it lock with at least two clicks at the end of its full travel.

[@gavinminion8515]

So much good advice here. I really wish more people would follow this.

[@scottgibson7534]

I us the hadnbake all the time even in stop start traffic. riding the clutch will wear it out prematurly. every time you depress the clutch you push the crankshaft forewards against the crank thrust washers, again Wearing them out prematurly.

[@EinkOLED]

Same here. It secures the car and allows you to get the revs and set off. And when up a hill I apply it as soon as my footbrake has stopped the car.

[@donaldasayers]

Heel and toe. No need to ride the clutch. :-D

[@shaunw9270]

True . Even driving with your foot resting on the clutch pedal will cause premature wear.

[@madgamer7555]

Scott Gibson depending how long you have a car. If you change it every 2 years, don’t have to worry about the clutch wearing out

[@shaunw9270]

@@madgamer7555 You can destroy a clutch quicker than you think ! An old mate of mine ,we called "Alan the Clutch" burned out the clutches on all our 6 Transits which were less than 18 months old and his own car ..in the same year ! 😂

[@cliveradvan3414]

Agree, so many people seem to have little idea of how to use the handbrake correctly (here in Australia it's sometimes refered to as an emergency brake...not something you want to use in an emergency!) . Hill starts being classic case . And don't get me started on how people use PARK (auto) as a substitute!

[@thomascarroll9556]

I always use the button to put the handbrake on, not to save the ratchet (which will never wear out 🤞) but to prevent stretching the cable, if you get to the point that you have to ratchet up to hold the car it’s time to adjust/replace the cable. Great tip re using handbrake at round-a-bouts, I used to do that but fell off when I started buying automatics (got lazy in a few other ways too).

[@bak-4a-bit113]

I also use the release button to apply the park brake aka handbrake. I strongly disagree with the premise of this video & the "absolute myth" it proposes. The ratchet mechanism is a mechanical device subject to the same wear & tear as ignition lock barrels for example. Other comments just focus on one or two narrow aspects. I sometimes apply the handbrake to give the brake lights a restl. That's especially with autos that don't have LED brake lights but have more of a limited life. Pros of putting button in to apply. - Allows for better feel so the optimal grab can be achieved. This minimises over applying by shifting focus partially to thumb pressure. Yanking on, or reefing handbrake on leads to a stretched cable running out of adjustment. - The button makes for quieter application in cabin - Holding the button allows for immediate release of lever if situation calls for - pushing the button in first tests functionality for normal operation later. The idea that the ratcheting mechanism like tools "never wears out" is over simplified. It would depend on a variety of factors. The quality of components, correct servicing, the frequency of use & how the handbrake was actually used. If you plan to keep your vehicle for a long time & you use your handbrake often I would recommend using the button in for both directions of lever. Park brakes as handbrakes come in a range of sizes & designs. They are often located in the centre console area but not always. Cables typically fail before the ratchet mechanism becomes unserviceable. Kudos to Roger Barton in response to @houstonceng If engineers were always right & money wasn't an issue there wouldn't be any vehicle recalls! In case you're wondering. I use to fix cars for a living & now I try to fix the people that drive them (but not in the UK).

[@CptnKremmen]

Yep, I always use the handbrake as you say it helps with pulling away and brake lights at night from queue traffic pisses me off no end. Using the ratchet can assist the auto-tensioning system - according to a ford mechanic I spoke to many years ago.

[@melgrant7404]

I remember my dad had an alfa romeo and because of the rust problem they had in those days the hand brake came off in his hand!

[@chrisgray4651]

Same happened to me in a Sierra because of the rust problem they had in those days!

[@melgrant7404]

@@chrisgray4651 ha ha😊

[@MrJamesl83]

I thought I was a very knowledgeable driver, but never knew about the miner lift before disengaging the hand brake, I have been driving for many years now.

[@ollieb9875]

A miner digs for coal, a minor is a small detail.

[@MrJamesl83]

@@ollieb9875 forgive spelling it does not matter In this case, you knew what it was so no harm. I noticed it after I posted no really need to change it.

[@grahamnutt8958]

It just goes to show that even those of us "experienced" drivers (myself included) can still learn from Ashley. Thanks for sharing your comment with us 👍

[@aztimms]

"Raise lever slightly and depress the release button" appears in every cars Owners' Handbook.

[@rayfitch8540]

A long long time ago ? some sports cars were fitted with a fly off parking brake ? which is the opposite to the normal parking brake, where you press the button to lock the rachett on, you just lift the lever to release it & it falls to the floor ?. also a hydraulic handbrake does not have a button.

[@fredflintstone2077]

Hi Ashley, I have had to replace more than one worn ratchet on older car parking brakes in my time and have also replaced some worn out ratchet spanners and socket set ratchets.

[@ady-uk7150]

Very good informative video Ashley. I'm always using the handbrake the ways you talk about. What gets me is the 95% of drivers who just sit at red lights, with their foot on the brake, for minutes on occasions. Yes, and at night, I'm constantly dazzled by them. My car brake light bulbs last years longer than theirs!

[@MrsJolene-]

Do remember automatic cars though. If you release the brake, the car wil go. Putting it in park or neutral is a whole hassle imo, and not worth doing for just red lights.

[@benculhane]

I'm coming up on my first decade of driving and I never considered using the handbrake to take off at an intersection without a hill. Unfortunately I'm American so my manual car days are behind me for now and I also lost my handbrake. Can't wait to see what I can learn about the electronic one

[@FlyingFun.]

Hand brake is essential part of a hill start too, Though I noticed my civic seems to have some assistance there the other day, whilst in first gear with clutch depressed it did not roll backwards, seemed to hold the brakes on until clutch was released and biting point reached..

[@kenbrown2808]

many new cars do have "hill assist." but no, a properly taught driver can start on a hill without rolling back through proper clutch management.

[@FlyingFun.]

@@kenbrown2808 I actually found the hill assist a bit off putting tbh, where I would expect the car to start moving after finding biting point it is held back on the brakes and have to give extra throttle and engage clutch more before it releases it. I can start on a hill with just clutch and no handbrake when situation requires it ie if it's in traffic stop starting creeping along but not good for clutch to sit there slipping for too long holding position, I see this quite a lot where people are basically using fuel and wearing out clutch to stay in one place for minutes rather than just a few seconds.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@FlyingFun. here, that's a sign of a person who learned to drive in an automatic.

[@grahamclark4518]

I always use the bottom for up. I was told NEVER EVER ratchet, plus my mechanics go nuts , For the record I HATE WITH A PASSION electric handbrakes

[@markfox1545]

Bottom?

[@grahamclark4518]

@@markfox1545 Button Sorry

[@TheFingerman37]

Your absolutely right. I think a lot comes down to falling into bad habits and 'getting away' with a lot (rolling forward or back).

[@rachellemj]

I took my test a year and a half ago and I'm in Belfast. We get minors for clicking the handbrake on the test. That was drilled into me by my instructor, but what you're saying makes sense, this is just a heads up for people in Northern Ireland taking their test

[@JonathanCorwin]

I fondly remember the physical handbrake. I still haven't got used to the electronic switch I have now despite having had it for 4 years

[@replevideo6096]

Yes, I just read up on them, and I agree. The article praised them but also said they are difficult to get used to. When they go wrong it will cost an arm and a leg for repairs because the electronics have to be re-programmed. That is going to happen whenever the brake shoes are replaced. My verdict, avoid these cars like the plague.

[@WolfmanWoody]

I was always taught to depress the button when putting on the handbrake, he (the DI) said it would knock the teeth off the cog. Maybe not, but I find the noise it makes otherwise annoying. I have driven in a snowstorm with the handbrake of a bus slightly on to stop the rear drive wheels from free-spinning. Otherwise you lose road grip and could easily skid. I got that bus back to the our centre whilst lots of other cars, buses and trucks were stranded along the highway. It might have damaged the brake blocks, but I wasn't paying for them anyway. 🤣

[@carosel43]

Depending on the circumstance holding your foot on the foot brake can damage the pads as the heat in the disk is transmitted into the material. It can also boil your brake fluid if its old and has water in it. Admittedly this is not likely to be an issue as you pop to the shops but if you are sat on the brakes after winding down a steep hill it probably wont do them any good.

[@Asto508]

If you drove down a steep hill with heavy brake usage, you were doing it wrong anyways. If there is heat on your brake discs due to excessive braking, the heat is already in the pads as well. You are describing a very unrealistic scenario. Not sure about automatics, but with manuals your downshift gears and let your engine do the braking.

[@JulianShagworthy]

When rolling to a stop uphill, I like to time the handbrake just perfectly so there is zero jerking upon stopping which will occur if using the footbrake. I press the button because the sound of the pawl annoys me and just seems messy...

[@lizstubbs2969]

These are amazing tips and things I've not thought about thank you so much for sharing this information

[@stevemoss7793]

Anyone for whom coordinating the gas, clutch and handbrake is too much really shouldn't be driving!

[@TheSGRob]

yes because every learner driver gets into the car on their first lesson and can do all those things at once. Most can't coordinate steering and indicating at the same time, let alone using 2 pedals and the handbrake.

[@steviesteve750]

Imagine that the handbrake not only controlled the car by pulling up and down, but that you had to twist the barrel too. Oh wait, welcome to helicopter flying, which really isn't easy to grasp. Operating throttle, clutch and hand brake fluidly together is absolutely key to making smooth progress. My car has a hill hold function as well as manual handbrake, which activates all 4 brakes momentarily whilst the car is stopped on an incline. It's brilliant if you drive to plan to go but prepare to have to stop, as in make good progress. Anything more than a pause at a junction will require the use of the handbrake. Sometimes technological advances are just that.

[@rjones6219]

A driver, who I was assessing, used the comment 'secure the vehicle'. Which I think explains it all, it stops the vehicle moving unexpectedly.

[@rogerbarton497]

I drove a Jeep once which had a foot operated parking brake and manual gearbox, hill starts were fun in that.

[@contessa.adella]

2:30 Precisely. If I come to a junction and my road is on an incline, I just momentarily pull up on the hand brake for a second as my feet swap from brake to gas, thus preventing even the smallest unintended roll back. My partner hates the hand brake and often waits on an incline for traffic lights by holding the car on the clutch…which I keep pointing out is wearing the clutch lining and thrust bearing..but I think my nagging is gradually getting through! Lol. I HATE electronic ones.

[@Mr.NiceUK]

Holding a car on an incline purely using clutch friction? 🤢 Better if he just used the foot brake instead if he can't abide the hand brake...

[@anon1903kg]

I'll look forward to the electric brake video, my current car has one and every so often I realise it has released when I don't expect it. Also it occasionally rolls a small amount when I first put it on which isn't a fun experience!

[@jacintarene_]

anon1903kg do you mean the epb or the auto hold function?? The ebrake should not just “release” unless you’ve got auto hold features on and you’ve begun to move the car.

[@anon1903kg]

I keep the auto-hold turned off. The release is normally connected to some sort of combination of clutch and/or gas, it's surprising how sensitive they can be sometimes.

[@Mr.NiceUK]

@@anon1903kg well realistically, that's your issue, electronic handbrakes are designed to work in tandem with auto hold, since otherwise a smooth hill start without roll wouldn't be possible... A roll when *applying* electronic hand brake implies you're simply coming of the foot brake too soon, although again auto hold would also stop that generally.

[@MK-1973]

Fantastic stuff, especially useful tip about lifting before pressing the button on release.