How to use your Off Arm | a critical piece of BACKHAND TIMING

[@jefft.7180]

All those wanting to hear Paul's comment on his left shoulder timing kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3rCoqSKa56Dg7M

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For those where this doesn’t jump to the interview time it is at about the 11:30 mark.

[@letsgobrody5608]

That crisscrossing walk up will forever live rent free in my head 😅😅😅

[@trevorwischhusen2869]

Thumbs up. I started as a critic. Love the advice now. You back up your lesson with actual proof.

[@brosa1212]

Whats ur distances?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

A little bit far. How about you?

[@brosa1212]

@OverthrowDiscGolf I didn't mean it negative. U said u werent good* so was curious what you defined as not good? Sorry

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@brosa1212 oh, I just hate looking at my own form. And the comment was more of a “don’t copy my form” type of deal

[@haydenhunt5397]

Oh look, a video on the EXACT issue I've had for 10 years now. Thank you very much!

[@OBWanLasTrueDon]

dood..... whats ur dietary secret for droppin all this weight brotha!??!?!! ... amazing

[@jefft.7180]

They somehow make their tutorial videos even more comphrehensive than the last, I am speechless.

[@theeveningriff4558]

I have really enjoyed OT videos on the whole, but if you study Paul McBeth’s swing frame by frame, you’ll see the trailing or off arm LEADS the dance, and not by a small margin.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

My point is that it used to. Not that it never did, but that it doesn’t anymore

[@theeveningriff4558]

@@OverthrowDiscGolfHe doesn’t really want to keep the new swing though, he just admitted he’s struggling with finding the correct timing with his old form on a podcast (Nick and Matt I believe). Active use of the off arm both encourages coiling, but also when fired first slingshots / accelerates the throwing arm into the power pocket with minimal engagement of the muscles in the throwing arm. In the power pocket the muscles of the throwing arm are then fully engaged and can accelerate the disc from its already higher speed from the slingshot effect. The hips then push forward towards the target creating rapid rotation which then eventually will drag the trailing arm into the “follow through” after the disc has been released. Paul also stated his new form “…looks awkward and IS awkward.” Ultimately though my point is not about Paul, I just in good faith believe you have a minor misunderstanding regarding what is actually happening mechanically. But we can agree to disagree!

[@Iantwi_dg]

Great video as always guys! You guys have been such an incredible asset for me and all my friends. Can’t thank you enough for all your hard work and dedication ❤

[@brannnnnnn]

great video, looking forward to your next follow through video. My follow through is shit and I think it's hurting my right hand side lower back on RHBH drive. I'm going to be doing more yoga and core work to help strengthen that area in hopes it helps with reducing injury. but, regardless of strength level I believe it's my follow through (or lack of follow through) that's hurting me. Honestly this is the number one reason I'm considering joining your patreon for a lesson.

[@doctorofloveonomics8993]

Quite simply I see Overthrow uploaded, I watch the video immediately! love the vids❤!

[@maxray29]

I like that you referred to the off arm as a 'timing piece'; it definitely looks like the pros initiate the swing with the off side, but the front side takes over while the off side stops or reverses, kind of like a newton's cradle. i appreciate the way you've been able to enhance and better inform your position on this apparently still controversial part of the disc golf swing.

[@jerdonclar8655]

If I'm not mistaken Anthony Barella really uses that trailing arm/shoulder actively. It's quite impressive.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

He seems pretty passive with it to me

[@Fortune090]

Just started a few months ago and I swear your videos have been coming out with perfect timing. Immensely helpful to learn all this from the get go, broken down so well and easy to follow. Barely two months in and I'm already knocking at 300ft's door!

[@arhshields]

The slomo makes it look like Drew's getting to left pec @ 8:00 when the disc starts ejecting from his body. It doesn't seem like that's the "deep pocket" left pec position that's mentioned earlier @ 6:10 unless I'm missing something. Thoughts?

[@connerwallace4997]

I agree Drew does not enter the deep pocket which the disc along his right (our left) pec. This seems to be caused by a difference in timing from overthrow's recommendations. Drew has the left arm move and begin to stop before the right arm starts moving. This causes his shoulders to be ahead of his right arm when throwing. It is possible that pull his right arm so fast that the timing difference is correct for him or he could gain additional distance with different timing. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to know which is the case.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Deep pocket is between mid chest and right pec. You try to get to right pec and the disc will probably move out a bit earlier than that. Plenty of slow mo of Wiggins getting there. Drew has his hand more towards 9:00 on the disc causing it to be further back than Simon’s who has the hand around 8:00. Another way of saying deep pocket is that the elbow goes past the frame of the body where the shoulder to upper arm angle is clearly greater than 90 degrees. Most amateurs keep it on their trail side. Move it past the trail side is the tldr

[@kyndow7149]

Recently I've been going over some of your older videos. Everything aside, you're looking really healthy. Congrats on that and thank you for all the awesome content.

[@MastahSee]

Best advice for me as a newbie has definitely been from Overthrow Disc Golf. Coming back to these videos after throwing, visualizing the shown movements and repeating the key pointers in my head at the course has really helped. Thank you and keep up the good work!

[@joelecho]

From a physics perspective, I'm convinced that the back arm is a way of manipulating moment of inertia to increase rotational speed. The disc golf swing is, from a physics perspective, two things. It's using your body (upper and lower) to create rotational velocity around a point, and then using your arm as a slingshot to convert that rotational velocity to linear velocity. Starting with an arm farther out and bringing it tight, much like a figure skater, creates that extra rotational speed, which you can impart on the disc through the hit through whipping action in the right arm. It didn't help me figure out the fine points of form, but it made me realize where distance comes from, from a physics perspective. And the opening of the left arm, to some extent, and the end of the follow through, is again manipulating moment of inertia so that it's easier to slow down your body.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

This is great

[@discgolfteacher]

5:52 "In your video" ?

[@Corrigan65_]

That's the first time I saw Josh take the camera. I watched this before but I just noticed it. Say it again Mikey.... And you did. Wait, what? Mikey was Paul's videographer?

[@Corrigan65_]

The back shoulder doesn't move. Simon and Drew....Doesn't drive rotation I gotta write this down. Thanks boss.

[@ksu7595]

Why use side view to show the (lack of) rotation when you have a top view available? Simon's max flat has rotation in every frame. Does not mean off arm is driving it though. Rotation (or maybe rather twist) comes from the oblique slings, like in most powerful movements. Movement of the left arm is to create tension, not rotation. Doing it before the start of the throw, creates a stretch reflex which is then timed with the throw to add power.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Could have used top view but I’m used to watching from the side so I naturally went there. Just an oversight on my part

[@Corrigan65_]

I lost a glow disc tonight because of this. Last night. I didn't lose it. My left hand LHBH lost the race, the disc bounced off my chest veered right and got stuck in a tree. The glow lost its charge. If I had your telescopic reach stick... I think I'll buy one tomorrow. But yeah, the race you mentioned. That happened to me where I collapsed the pocket

[@robertjones1730]

A useful experiment might be saran wrapping your trailing arm to your side straight down and see what happens. Although it is tucked in perfectly, the whole benefit of that arm movement is adding a small amount of weight into the forward momentum, at JUST THE RIGHT TIME to contribute to the throw. My arm weighs about 5.5 pounds sitting on a digital scale. If I get the timing right, I'm adding 5.5 pounds of momentum to my throw, if I almost get it right it just cancels out and balances, if I get it wrong, it subtracts 5.5 pounds from my momentum. Another experiment could be adding weight to your trailing arm, either lower or upper and see if it can add some momentum if you get the timing right. Tucking it in at various speeds can effect the effective weight of the arm, mass increases with speed. Fast tuck at just the right timing could add a lot to the throw potentially.

[@michaelcushman]

Brilliant! I have tried a weight in the off hand. I wondered if a few pounds would be ideal. Would it be a secret weapon? I found that the best solution is a weight equal to the disc is actually best. 172g. The symmetry is what's most important! I never tried it in competition. Maybe I'll revisit this. Your comment inspires me.

[@JT-dw2bg]

I think there's definitely something to this. Every little MPH adds a decent amount of distance so doing every little thing adds up to distance gains

[@Corrigan65_]

Super last thing. Swim move. That's a beautiful name. If you forgot it's 11 min 48 sec in

[@Chronohz]

Could you elaborate a bit on your way of teaching the backhand vs for instance this guy www.youtube.com/@slingshotdiscgolf1897. It seems like you have quite opposite philosophies when it comes to the backhand and specifically the role of the off arm. You both seem to get quite the distance on your throws though. As a not so far throwing kinda guy, it's a bit confusing to determine what advice to listen to.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I teach a much less active trail arm. He definitely throws/used to throw farther than I do though I don’t think that’s relevant.

[@bosmith6992]

slingshot does not even throw the way he teaches it, if he did he would not throw far. he is alone in his way of teaching because he goes against everything we know about getting leverage to throw something.

[@TwilightZone13]

Just by doing this with my off arm I was able to add about 10 meters of consistent length to my throws. I threw my falk 90 meters 2-3 times in one fieldwork session which I had only done once before out on a course. I also threw my proxy 70 meters which I have never done before with a putter.

[@andristic]

"It's not gonna feel good in the beginning. It's gonna feel like crap actually because we're super robotic." That's key. As a crap disc golf player, you have to learn correct technique even if it makes your game worse in the beginning. Accept that your game wasn't that good in the first place 😅

[@JDCfusethrow]

You guys are awesome. Just met you guys, and you all were so cool. I had a blast with you 3. I will definitely become a patron and it's clear I need coaching.

[@danny9000100]

Thanks for the video again! I have been training the trail arm lately so, that when the throwing motion starts, I just let the arm drop as loose as possible and it kind of automatically goes tightly to the side of my body.

[@DrD04K]

I think you have to think about the trail arm as the axil you're turning around. Don't rotate around your head or spine, you can double the length of that first lever by anchoring around the trail arm.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Someone else was asking about this. This statement interests me. To the slow mo!

[@kerose]

That’s interesting…. I’m trying to envision how that axis of rotation would play into the bracing though and weight transfer on your legs. I hope you just sparked another video!!

[@gwsmallwood]

You should have shown the Juliana Korver swim move if you really want people to see it clearly. Let those wings flap!

[@jawshmurdock9604]

Please create a dance move with beat to help us practice our disc golf form. That would be very helpful.

[@jjw6961]

Good stuff, fellas. Comment for the algorithm.

[@JohnRAtwood]

The only thing you missed is how the off arm follows through!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Didn’t even think about it. Darn

[@JoshMortlock]

Hey Josh, question for you. How much priority should I be putting toward getting the trail arm sequenced properly? Compared to sorting footwork, nose angle, release angle, grip and other fundamentals, this feels like a bit of a "nice to have" or "cherry on top" rather than a top priority. Interested in your thoughts. Great vid as always.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

As long as it isn’t massively in the way like with the chicken wing then you can probably save it for later

[@Theorose80]

It feels to me like this left arm motion helps with not over-rotating. I'm hoping this will allow me to put more momentum into the rotation without ending up hips front, shoulders front, and disc flying into the swamp on my right-hand side. The geese are building nests with all the discs I lost in that swamp.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You’re an environmentalist

[@jerkwagon]

Im not paul is not the greatest argument, because im also no simon or drew.. thank god im not drew, either because you know. he should have a private jet just like the LA lakers..

[@bosmith6992]

the you’re not paul argument is a way to say dont copy everything pros do. for example paul have really long arms so it looks like he is rounding. and if your not paul you prob would round. or drews hyper extension of his knee. or simons low elbow

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yeah, I could have made the point a little better. The difference is with Paul that he out athletes the trail arm issue. Not many people are gonna do that. Not that Simon or Drew aren’t crazy good athletes, but that even semi athletic people can adopt their off arm moves.

[@jerkwagon]

you can no say dont copy everything pros do by copying these pros.. i get the point, i was just criticizing OT. not hating. @@bosmith6992

[@jerkwagon]

well put, my coach has a similar move to your bent elbow tip, but i was never able to achieve it as well, you saying keep the elbow bent really helped and got my elbow tighter to my body (triangle removed) @@OverthrowDiscGolf

[@rjmc64]

So I am supposed to only do shadow swings for an entire week? At this pace I'll be dead before I make it out to a course to play!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

If he dies, he dies

[@michaelcushman]

The off-arm isn't critial. It is the very last thing to add. A quiet off-arm that goes along in the same swing plane is simple and effective for 95% of players. The pros only engage it when throwing at higher velocities.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It’s critical if it’s flailing about. But I would tend to agree. It’s just that some people have that thing way back there and just sticking out like a sore thumb.

[@MrLanzac]

Anyone pick up one of those mvp watt-hex’s got a spare? I missed out and really feeling like I need one 😅

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We’re ordering more!

[@wesplybon9510]

conservation of momentum? Bringing all your parts in as close as possible as to not waste any of your rotational energy on stuff that's not getting the disc into the air?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s the idea

[@buckgillispie605]

Does anyone have data that shows the minimum arm speed for each disc speed? There has to be a minimum average required to throw a 5 speed, as well as a minimum average arm speed to throw a 14 speed. Having a decent number average relative to arm speed in mph/kph, would help in so many ways. I do understand it's mostly about technique, but knowing and understanding the required arm speed would be a great help in training and increasing arm speed. Would give beginners and intermediates a datum to measure from to meet a goal. Can you guys do an experiment using TechDisc, to see if a basic information table can be created? Thanks for reading

[@johnshepherd6925]

For the algorithm!

[@JohnDubU]

"I probably didn't need to mention this part of the throw". To that I say, don't underestimate the value of stating the 'obvious'. Algo all day, baby!!! I'm convinced my game/form is light years better than it would have been if I didn't watch your videos. You're all pretty groovy in my book.

[@1of3fish]

With regards to pushing back or pinning off arm: Absolute masher Kristian Kuoksa seems to just swing off arm straight forward

[@connerwallace4997]

Great video as always. Every video gives me important things to think about. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. The slow-mo footage disagrees with other descriptions of off-arm timing you have made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHW7dYiCf6uIhrM here you talk about how the off-arm is coming in to speed up rotation in the same way a figure skater bringing the arms in speeds up rotation, in technical terms due to the preservation of angular momentum. This only works if you are already rotating when you bring your arms in. But as shown in both of the forms you reviewed the left arm had stopped as the shoulders began rotating. This might be a difference in definitions but I believe that the left arm here is driving shoulder rotation. As you point out in the video the right shoulder is stationary, thus you can think about it as the fulcrum around which the body is rotating, at 11:55 you mention a push back as part of the follow through which should increase this effect. In that case, stopping the left arm is causing the right shoulder to push forward. Further evidence to this point is that the left shoulder does move, it is just stopped like the rest of the left arm. I think that this is much like the handle of a whip; where stopping the handle is what initiates the whip cracking. Overall I think the advice you give is correct. Having the left arm stop and the left shoulder remain in place seems to be very important. But I think that the bio-mechanical explanation of why that is wrong and leads to a small difference in the pro's form where the left arm starts coming in before any other part of the throw and your advice of having both arms come in at the same time. I suspect that this might be why the slow-mo drill you demonstrate "feels robotic".

[@SHIZZLER__]

I need to get you to review mine. I'm coming back after an 8 year gap in Ultimate Frisbee and played DG 5 years before that.

[@jeromyng]

Time to take it to the field and record myself. Going to be curious where my arm lands. Been able to hit 450 thinking I am forcing rotation but let's see what the video says. Maybe I do anchor my arm. Thanks for the video and putting me on the right path before I go to rotational on the off arm

[@mrpickles536]

First

[@danny9000100]

Thanks for the video again! I have been training the trail arm lately so, that when the throwing motion starts, I just let the arm drop as loose as possible and it kind of automatically goes tightly to the side of my body.

[@russellkellum2230]

Again, another great episode that has helped tremendously. Thank you.

[@123juantwothree123]

You are losing weight!! Awesome bro!!! Keep grinding

[@XJaylord]

Game Over stop trying it 😂 had me laughing. Good Video.

[@ryanbridges7749]

i swear each time im having a problem in my form you guys post a video of said thing love it keep up the great work maybe i can hit 450 with this finally 5:40 Was my problem and i think it was more of the lack of caring of what my side arm does

[@RBadding]

"both arms moving forward like this" Hmm. I often see the left (off) arm moving forward first while the right arm stays in place. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH2ki5Kfi9CWfq8

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I addressed that in this video

[@RBadding]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I know you did, but I think we are talking about a bit different things. I see this "left arm moving first" a lot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3PCaIp7rp11abs

[@kongthao1]

thank you for the video! I'm glad that you mentioned the chicken wing and both out of the pocket motion. Now i would need to practice to see which of the out of pocket motion works better.

[@ellismckiernan]

i havent watched a video in a while dude is losing weight and looking great!

[@steveackerman5066]

Great stuff, Josh! Looking forward to getting this down.

[@Gh0stz9211]

This is a little off the topic but I switched to the v type shape of releasing at 10 when I used to do more of 12 to 2. I keep hitting my chest with the disc or throwing hyzer on everything. What could I do to throw straight?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’d have to see it but the disc still releases at 10:00 roughly. Just mental cues about getting there mostly.

[@Gh0stz9211]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'll keep working on it. Maybe I need more space, keep the disc on its own line. Bringing it too close to my chest maybe.

[@rickfunk1355]

One of the best video's on the backhand throw mechanics.

[@bushlite333]

Great video as always! This is exactly what I needed.

[@ianirvingthorsonc]

It seems that i have 2 off arms😂... awesome vid❤

[@aaronkirkland212]

Nice work on the weight loss! Looking good!

[@brandonlewis1170]

Do you feel like the left arm serves multiple purposes? For example; increasing size of pocket and serving as an anchor so the chest doesn’t flail open and disengage the whip effect? Curious.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep!

[@pallarmann]

Ok, so the off arm is not to drive rotation, I actually agree with you there. But what does it do?? Why do we have think about it at all? Why put it close to our bodies when the disc is coming into the pocket? What is it for?? I'm just wondering if there is any really reason for the off arm to come in close to the body. I see this talked about all over youtube and the only reasons that I have heard so far is it's for driving rotation (I don't buy that) and to make you rotate faster (like a figure skater), but I'm not so sure about that either.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It at least reduces drag and keeps the shoulders from opening up too early.

[@andrewb9942]

This one is a big deal. Thank you.

[@thompson222]

My off arm is naturally tucked pretty close to my side and then when throw initiates I do a little swim move down with my hand. It doesn't help me coiI or uncoil but at the end it gives a little push when throw initiates. But my question is, is it ok that it's pretty tucked to the side? It looks kinda weird tbh because most players do something with their off arm and mine just stays close to the side little bit bent.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Tucked is fine probably. It’s mostly about can you properly coil backwards and can you properly time lead arm and shoulders/trail arm

[@Matarro1980]

Here are some thoughts that I am absolutely pulling out of my "Berg pocket". To me, it feels like slamming my left arm down helps me do two things that I rarely hear mentioned. I think it helps me come through with my left hip and I also think it helps me tense a bunch of muscles in the left side of my torso. It's almost as if you're not only bracing against one of your legs but with the upper body as well. If you look at the best throwers it sort of looks like they're rotating around the off arm.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I can get behind the “upper body brace.” Important to delay the opening of the chest so the lead arm can whip

[@kapakapo]

This is so useful, thank you!

[@philipsaul]

So are you not coiling the shoulders?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You do. Watch full length video for more explanation

[@philipsaul]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I guess I just got the impression from when you first did the slow-mo videos of Simon and Drew's forms, that the movement starts with pushing your left shoulder forward to coil and then unwinding as you pull the disc through

[@dustinburgin9740]

Wow did you and sling shot plan to release a video on a similar topics on the same day?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Totally unintentional lol

[@MickeyTrod26]

I think it all depends on how you describe “Driving Rotation”. Because, an anchor can drive rotation, and I think that’s what your describing. Using that back shoulder/arm/elbow etc.. to anchor the back side… to therefore drive rotation? Maybe that’s where people are getting confused?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Agreed on the former. I don’t think all coaches are disagreeing on that small of a scale though. Definitely some coaches giving back shoulder rotation advice

[@MickeyTrod26]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Got ya! Yeah, I don’t see that being a good thing to coach. I come from a Baseball background, and that would lead to “Casting the Bat”. Also common phrase used in Golf too. In Disc golf I think the proper term is “Rounding”. The Less amount of drag you can create in any swing/throw, equals speed.

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

Algorithm all day, baby!

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

All day!

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

All day! Lol

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks lol!

[@skatterbug]

When you interviewed Holyn, she talked about trying to work on getting her off arm more engaged. What did she mean by that in relation to this?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Unsure. I don’t even remember that part of the convo

[@skatterbug]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I just went back and skimmed through. She was talking about getting the hips more engaged, not off arm. I remembered wrong. 😳 She does talk about off arm timing, but it's more like what you talk about.

[@nathanwilson7929]

I saw that Robbie C's Coach mentioned that it's two motions. Kind of a punch down and then the swing out. Look like the intention of that was to close the coil at the shoulders and then open it up. Or did I misinterpret that sequence in one of his videos?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I don’t know which video that’s from so take this with a gargantuan grain of salt, but punch down and swing back doesn’t seem like too bad of a cue

[@nathanwilson7929]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I went ahead and clipped it. kzbin.infoUgkxHOxizRFB8-xUxamOFSrucsG-vM8thE29

[@Sweat_Lord69]

😮

[@j45002]

I mean, isn't bringing your off arm to your hip from full reach back pulling your shoulder back to a neutral position in line with your hips?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Sure, but that’s much different than driving the trail shoulder ahead of the hands

[@j45002]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf okay. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong. Seems to me like the faster I pin my elbow the faster my rotation is, and as long as that is slower than my lead arm, I'm in good shape. Is this a good line of thinking?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@j45002 it is

[@TwannGoDisc]

Not the "GAME OVER" LMAOOOO 🤣

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Perhaps too aggressive

[@_TDG]

Great coaching Josh! Q: given the rear shoulder isn't moving much, where do you think the center of rotation is? If it was centered on the spine then we would see that rear shoulder moving camera-ward at least if not rotating forward around the spine, but it doesn't do that much as you demoed... Is the axis then more from the front hip socket TO the rear shoulder socket??

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’m gonna be honest, that’s something I haven’t really studied. I keep meaning to get into the whole spine tilt topic with AceIt and Seabas22 to unpackage it more.

[@_TDG]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I mean who has studied it? Waiting on data from Chris… but they may not look at that issue. I chatted with Andrew about it a bit, we seem to have some fundamental differences in our models of rotation that I have not sorted out yet… curious what John thinks!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@_TDG I was going to say, guaranteed. Andrew has looked at it.

[@sarinhighwind]

Shots fired.

[@sarinhighwind]

The off arm when in position will naturally do the swim move. There isnt really a need to actively try and do it.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

If I didn’t have a background teaching the one handed backhand in tennis I would agree in most cases. I do think some people will have to actively work on it though.

[@sarinhighwind]

@OverthrowDiscGolf i think its a force applied action and reaction. If you dont have some things driving the kinetics chain properly, then it wont naturally resist the rotation.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@sarinhighwind I can see that. In tennis we taught the off arm going back. I guess we backed into the chain there

[@sarinhighwind]

@OverthrowDiscGolf i think its easy to over focus on trying to swim vs driving the swing.

[@crabbyjimmy1]

I watch three instructors and Josh is amazing ! I’m 57 and in three months time of field work I’ve finally reached 400+ and the more lose my arm comes through the easier it feels I had to put a tight rubber glove on because the rips that I get hurt my fingers. The looser the body the better. Picture someone has put a numbing shot in your arm and you pull through tight to the body. Everything else is just a rope snapping. But is so easy to throw far now.

[@ubrant6747]

More evidence based content! Loved the videos proving the points/theories.

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

Foot fault

[@kerose]

Uh.. the shoulder not driving rotation isn’t proven by showing the shoulder not moving right to left. It’s rotation. The shoulder is turned and is coming forward toward the camera as rotation happens. Not one of the best points to make.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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