How pros use their other arm to throw farther! | Physics of Form ep. 3

[@clsmith684]

Dammit, Danny! Stop giving me more things to think about. At this point when I try to throw I just lock up and assume the fetal position.

[@olympics1234567]

Thanks, that cracked me up!

[@kruksog]

Ugh. I feel that way too much.

[@trollop4866]

That's real af lmfao

[@louisbrownell4530]

Then take one thing at a time. Not Danny’s fault it’s yours. Take one thing to work on at a time

[@erik.pajula]

I've been through that. My recommendation is (other than grip), don't really think about anything else. Just let it rip, and see where your disc goes. I used a disc with just lower distance than what I thought the throw was. I discovered my biggest (subconscious) concern was overthrowing holes. Once I relaxed, became more consistent, it became much easier to implement these different tips, and tricks without consuming all of my processing ability. Now I'm throwing the right disc for the basket, and have my distances more accurately cataloged in my brain.

[@danielrosborne]

That was the best argument for subscribing I've heard. 😂

[@saulbenitez1765]

He got me lol I can’t let me friends get better than me 🤣

[@Beadfishing]

Bro same. I like the way he thinks.

[@AlchmstDsgn]

Danny is the boss. I love the nerdy stuff Danny! You do you boss! The physics of flight series is a re-watch for me often, so I can get myself dialed back in. Thank you!

[@Grillchips]

Simon, Eagle and Pablo are really good at what Danny is explaining. 🙂

[@jimmyblundell7600]

And GG for sure! Just in a unique way

[@smp1396]

Mcbeth does the arm forward thing, GG does the swim move.

[@carlwilliams9642]

Oh yeah. If you freeze frame Paul in the power pocket he looks like he's throwing a punch with his off hand.

[@danielskousen7063]

uuuuuummm, has anyone heard of Casey White?

[@discgolfamateur8692]

Bring back Danny! You had the best videos

[@Daniel5.14]

Thank you. This definitely isn’t talked about enough. There are tons of videos on form and none of them talk about your back arm but when you watch a slow motion clip of nearly all the pros they all swing their back arm in so it is clearly a crucial aspect. It’s like the secret trick that no one talks about.

[@jensine4046]

Totally agree about how Dan is the only video i have seen about the left hand! Going to try this, and already know thats what i was doing incorrectly haha Thank you so much for sharing:) I'm a subscriber for sure:)

[@ElMofo9]

I like the nerdy sciencey videos like this. My mathematics education stopped at calculus and physics in highschool but when ever you break it down in those terms in a video it clicks in my head really well

[@CyrusDiscGolf]

Man I can really ~feel~ the difference with this PC edited video... its incredible

[@JerryBearry]

Thanks, Danny. After watching this tidbit of information and then watching the top pros in action, they are doing exactly what you pointed out with their left arms. I would not have noticed this otherwise. I am getting very useful lesson instructions from watching your videos. Thank you!

[@docv73]

I think you're missing something - which is why the swim motion works... This is my understanding of the body mechanics... Pulling the arm in to the leg STARTS the rotation and weight shift - the arm is like a small light weight pendulum that is used to lead into the other motions, to build momentum. After it is tucked, and the weight shift and rotation are well underway, the arm then becomes a counter weight to push off against. The effect of throwing the arm back out again - the swim motion - creates a counter push, similar to a gyroscopic effect, that gives the rotating body something to push against. It's basically recreating the momentum from tucking your arm, only now it's in the other direction. The tuck occurs before the peak of the throw (power pocket) to help get to that point quickly, and the swim occurs after the peak of the throw to help translate the arcing rotation into linear forward momentum, and momentum into speed. I don't know if I'm explaining that well, but there really should be both motions not one way or the other. How big you do both, the efficiency behind doing both, and perfecting the timing of both is the difference between a 700 rated newby trying to copy KZbin videos and Ezra Aderhold. Ezra has a video that does a decent job of explaining the combination of both moves, as well as involving the chest. I think the reason the above view example video works is in his shoulders. Watch the example video again and watch his shoulder and tricep. He pulls the shoulder in instead of tucking the whole arm, which also collapses the chest, so he pushes out his chest as well as the swim motion as he's moving towards his release. Less movement, same effect. I'm no expert, and my longest throw is only 392 feet BUT that's without a run-up or X step, because both knees were trashed in a work injury. It's not quite a stand still, but it's close, and the only way I'm throwing 360 average, with 392 long, is the timing in my rotation and arms. I've had to work hard on understanding them to relearn to throw since the injuries.

[@jodypowell5375]

I watched the Ezra video too. Left shoulder moves inwards RHBH. Then both shoulders are forced apart when the disc is in the power pocket 🤔

[@markhumphrey8894]

@@jodypowell5375 Correct! So, Newtons 3rd Law is correct in the backhand throw. However, the swimming idea is even better, in discussing the 3rd Law. If you just bring the back arm forward, you are just going forward and no opposite and equal reaction. There is no pushing back as Danny was showing in the car example. So, the back arm needs to start forward, HOWEVER, it needs to somehow, push back in order to get the 3rd Law of Newton to be activated. The arms need to be working away from each other, otherwise you're just riding the chest and arms forward and no brace.. like I do:(. I'm learning as an old guy.. 57yo.

[@olympics1234567]

I have to show this to my son. I started almost 3 years ago because my youngest son, that was 27 then, started and asked me to play. As we were learning, I pointed out this concept to him and he said I was full of beans. Lol. When you're old, every little thing helps. I think that when you're young and healthy, you do a lot of these things naturally without even realizing it.

[@Paul-wk9ky]

Good stuff! Been looking for how to add more power and distance to my throws without throwing my arm out. Excited to try this. Thanks Danny!

[@maxagnewalhagen1152]

great to see new content again. technical content is as welcome as any

[@ryankoffel8480]

Really like this video Danny. I have also noticed that certain pros (McBeth in particular) use this mechanism to initiate their rotation, but they also seem to use their "closed/compressed" shoulders as a source of power at the release by opening their chest/pinching their shoulders to use the strong muscles in their back to accelerate the disc. Would love to see you break down that part of the throw as well.

[@joshgrenig3520]

I can't wait to give it a try! Might be my favorite video yet

[@danielsigursson6215]

Very clear how to's and how not to's. Something to think about along with fixing my wrist angle.

[@ricardnygren]

You explain it so well, Danny! Thumbs up!

[@jdybballfreak1]

You continue to be one the best presenters there is. Excellent video. Excellent argument to subscribe. Very compelling

[@Gma_likes_bacon]

I'll be honest I wasn't subscribed, but that sir. That is how it should be done. Consider it done.

[@seanbereman4769]

Great stuff as always. Thank you and please, don’t apologize for being yourself.

[@patrickcarey6838]

I very much enjoyed the more technical video! I've been working on implementing this and you're right, the timing is tough

[@royaljdaniel]

Nerdier the better. Keep it up Danny.

[@Moving2Korea]

Danny, the nerdier the better! Keep it up!

[@briansleepylee]

Thanks Danny! Really enjoy your work!

[@_EmagdniM_]

Just finally subscribed thanks for the reminder Dan.

[@ianirvingthorsonc]

Awesome as usual! Im translating this into spanish for our Spanish speaking fans! Also the past one... Gotta make the "3 ruler hinge thing" 🔥🔥

[@metaphysicaljones9318]

I struggle with what to do with my off arm. When my form really breaks down, it goes straight up in the air… and so does my drive. Good advice in the video!

[@baldjustice393]

I've been struggling with this motion and getting the timing of it correctly, but when I do it correctly, I can not only see the results but feel it in my throw and also see much better aiming results! I'm grinding to figure this out cause I know it's very effective when done correctly! I have seen and felt the correct results and also the wrong results! It's tuff to get it right but when you do......it's a great feeling!

[@samuelhedstrom2343]

Pulling your arm inwards isn't only to engage rotation. It's also to allow rotation to happen faster. Having your arm stretched out increases your moment of inertia which allows you to store more rotational energy with slower rotation. By tucking your arm inwards, you're lowering your moment of inertia meaning that the same rotational energy will rotate faster. Just like when on a rotating sling attraction (one of those tractor tyres hanging in 4 chains). If you reach outwards, the sling will rotate slowly, but when everyone on it pulls in, it will rotate alot faster without adding any energy to the sling.

[@Chris-wz2ft]

Love the deeper analysis style video. Finally subbed :)

[@thatdude2783]

A lot more technical, but I think ome big thing I've been struggling with, without even knowing it Now I can address it, and work on it. Thank you.

[@ArcticKats]

Thank you for teaching us how to do the off-arm the Eric Oakley way! I had lower back surgery in 2016 & can't rotate my hips as much as most can. Eric's way eliminates most of the twisting motion and still provides more power than my usual limp off-arm technique 🤣

[@shaynekobelsky8441]

Haha! Love the statement up to :40! I’m actually getting a lot better watching, playing! Good vids!!!👍👍

[@tonykaze]

A lot of the more recent videos I've seen are calling this the "rubber band effect" as pulling the arm in tight stretches out your back muscles between your shoulders, which 1: does what you're explaining (angular momentum / figure skater analogy) but also 2: it speeds up your throwing arm purely through the back muscles, by pulling your throwing arm through the muscles in your back. If your off-arm is loose, that second part never happens. Timing here is extremely important as you want the elastic "bounce" of your off-hand yanking across your back to time perfectly with coming out of the power pocket. This second point might be worth a whole video, if you haven't done one already.

[@_TDG]

YAAAS! More technical videos Please.

[@echoli2859]

Great video, I have noticed different pros are doing this and have been working on mine. Just as you said, most of people rotate their off arms like what you did in the video, and I have tried it, it did work. But look at Paige Pierce form, her off arm is more like pulling away from her throwing direction. And I am currently trying it out. Would be great if we can discover more of it and have more detailed explanation. Guess it’s a lot to do with physics. Thanks for the video!

[@liloboss5820]

Great vid! I'll definitely try it out and learn more about my mechanics!

[@davegarrard5630]

Good stuff bossman... I've been looking for someone to explain the micro step by step process of the disc throw. My son has forced me to play all in a effort to lose weight and get back in shape. So far I'm down 18 lbs. and my throws are getting farther and farther. But I'm not even close to being there yet. I started out with a basic disc golf beginner kit a few months ago. Throwing maybe a ridiculous 50'. I didn't know what was good yet so I thought I was doing ok. :) Anyways I'm around 150' to 200' now with some ok control. We play 18 everyday but take Sundays off now for that 1 day a week we do nothing. I feel good even though my body aches all the time...:) Thanks for the micro tips and keep them coming... they are appreciated.

[@frankiereliford4105]

Your videos have been fantastic for me, I’ve learned so much from you in the few weeks that I’ve been playing. Thank you!

[@UnluckyHydra]

Where is Phsyics of Form Ep. 3? Edit: (Glad you changed it). Great video! I noticed this more recently but I didn't realize it can actually make a difference. I'll have to try and focus on it during my next field work day.

[@coaster37]

Very good video Danny! I think I have been overlooking this in my game!

[@masjut1]

Great advice. I really see what you’re saying.

[@professorb3744]

Eric actually does do what you’re talking about. It’s just the top half of his arm where and your can see how it drives his shoulders

[@BayDisc]

Still pretty new to the sport, and have heard a little about this, but its super hard to implement. like the video, ill keep working on this movement.

[@ajwilliams6551]

If I wasn’t already subscribed I would’ve subscribed. That’s was a solid sell.

[@btown1212]

This was awesome, great explanation!

[@dEmAndreev]

Great tutorial! Thanks!

[@FerretL0ve]

I like the nerd videos. Keep it up Danny. Not saying that *you* specifically are *necessarily* what some might consider a “nerd.” But…. Just that the actual research and info you share is awesome!

[@idocare6538]

Been looking for someone to address the off arm for so long. Thank you! Some of the questions you answered, I have asked pros who do it and they don't seem to realize it. Btw, I watched that vid of Oakley before and it seems he is still bringing the off hand shoulder into his body like the hand dropping would do.

[@phillprivers3274]

Love the detailed stuff !!

[@fuzziemunkey]

Thanks for the vid Danny. Keep up the awesome helpful content.

[@jwoellhof]

Watch Garret Gurthie's left arm. He gets an extra 100' with it.

[@Jesse_Johnson]

This is awesome. Thank you.

[@NebulousWyatt]

I'm a beginner, but after trying out both for a while I think I like the swim because it feels smoother.

[@samibberg105]

”…because muscles…” 😂 I feel you bro!

[@alexandermendez4653]

I've been playing for a year and a half. I've been stuck at 300 feet for a while and have been wondering what I'm missing to keep improving. I think this is it.

[@drewg3087]

I’m almost where you were at when you posted about 280-300 run. Want to get to 400 by next December. Any help?

[@alexandermendez4653]

@@drewg3087 I actually haven't been playing much. My friend I used to go with moved to a different state and my other friend I went with has a girlfriend who hates me and I hate her, so we don't really hang out much. I guess I would say when I was throwing my best, I wasn't trying to throw far. I focused on smooth effortless movement. It's not arm strength, it's centrifugal force. Really coil your body up like a whip and uncoil while transferring your body weight from your back foot to your front. Hope that helps.

[@drewg3087]

@@alexandermendez4653 thank you man! Hope you pick it up next year.

[@alexandermendez4653]

@@drewg3087 I'll get back to it next year. I was throwing almost 350 this spring so I definitely need to get to 400. I miss it.

[@drewg3087]

@@alexandermendez4653 love to hear it man. Please do for you! For my mental health it’s a necessity. Take care!

[@chrisschuster9828]

Danny is awesome.

[@tyulkinp]

Thanks Danny! Sound reasonable

[@CentralOSurvival]

Good stuff Danny!!

[@alexandercampbell7903]

I will tell you why 70% of us have not suscribed: Because we are assuming you have one Channel (Danny Lindahl) and two (Dynamic Discs). So when a new video of yours is recommended; we assume it is from the Danny Lindahl Channel and we are not reading. Maybe this is not true for everyone, but it is true for me. I have been following your vids for 2 years and today (08/21/2021) I come across this video where you say 70% of you is unsubscribed I say to myself of course I am subscribed, but I double check and was surprised I wasn't; and immediately figure out the issue. I have been subscribed to Danny Lindahl for almost 2 years; and just idiotically assumed all of your videos came from one Channel.

[@joebrannon8843]

Great video!

[@wisherb1]

Love nerdy dg content

[@danneff6693]

I love your humor!!!!

[@dice568]

Shouldn't this be ep. 3?

[@DannyLindahl]

Yes my B it should be fixed!

[@Jono.]

I've seen Calvin shoot his offhand through in his throw as well.

[@mikeslinde5506]

Sooo this is soooo interesting....so it’s like a “sling-shot” effect right?.....there is another gentleman on KZbin that has been making videos out now for awhile that has been analyzing this concept. Are you guys trying to steal his thunder? It’s a good thing if you are trying to simplify this type of throwing...but you have to give appreciation to the original “sling-shot” disc golf man.

[@woodcutr47]

Iv been struggling with my distance for years, since 1983. I’m willing to travel for a couple of lessons, how do I set private lessons. I live near Philadelphia.

[@KristoVaher]

Lizotte and many great throwers do this to great effect. I think that the reverse (like Gurthie) is far more difficult to master.

[@ryansuter4424]

Nerdy is helpful Thank you

[@JustBBlunt]

Turning a steering wheel of a car really hard into a tight right turn with just your throwing/right hand or also using your off/left hand.

[@kristofferbjernman5219]

Thanks!! 👍👍

[@ianirvingthorsonc]

Th forward motion is the pecs working, the "swimming" motion uses the back muscles more...shoulder should only work as a lever(my experience, not a rule)

[@tonykeith8823]

"I read on the internet" so I I see you're well studied

[@philipblume1093]

I gotta admit...the timing of that timing joke............................................................made me laugh

[@Beaglefaust]

I'm subscribed. That's why I'm so good.😆

[@BMXriedl]

explain this same concept for forehands please

[@apackofviceroys]

“Right handed privilege” - lol

[@mishaostrovsky3668]

Is there a rule against holding a weight in my off hand?

[@michaelcushman]

I had the exact same thought. A 1.25 lb. Weight is light enough that the off arm can easily move and control, and fits in the hand, yet it is 5 times the weight of a disc. Giving it a try seems promising.

[@mishaostrovsky3668]

@@michaelcushman yeah I always kinda wondered why some pros wear wrist watches. Maybe this is it.

[@lowhagel]

I can't have my friends being better so you bet your a$$ i subscribed

[@thunec]

i had been trying to incorporate this recently but found it awkward feeling. the "swim" technique that you mentioned feels really natural. could you say if it is less effective or is it actually as good?

[@oliround]

Thank you for spreading this hidden secret

[@billorozco1431]

I'd compare it to ripping a package open then following thru with a left handed body punch

[@laotocolo]

Left side compression. Fundamentals of spin and throw

[@DannyLindahl]

Spin and throw is like building an entire car around rpms. Don’t worry about transmission, tires, even navigating. Just spin fast enough and your wildest dreams come true. I spent like 3 minutes of this video explaining why just spinning as fast as possible doesn’t work.

[@jerdonclar8655]

So it's basically using the off arm to get shoulder rotation along with hip engagement...?

[@UnlimitedDiarrhea]

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but not only does correct movement in the off arm help achieve proper mechanics elsewhere, like you mentioned, but it also increases potential rotational power. If someone threw the same disc twice, with the same power, conditions, etc. And the only difference being that one threw with good off-arm engagement, one would expect to find that that throw would go further.

[@andrewthorsten3809]

right power!

[@wildcat31772]

crazy how every video that does this sub check always see that 70% aren't. crazy coincidences.

[@DannyLindahl]

I think it’s pretty standard for it to be around 50-70%. I didn’t expect OUR wonderful viewers to be all the way up at 70 though!

[@TrevorWhalen13]

Awesome

[@rogerjones332]

Huh? You only showed Oakley in the overhead slomo, not Clemons

[@astronomicaloddz4599]

I still haven't "gotten" the backhand yet. Been throwing drives for about 3 week and trying to emulate different things I see, but I max out around 200'. I was actually looking for an order of operations of a backhand throw and makes me sad to hear there isn't really one and it all "kinda happens at the same time" The biggest challenge is 100 different videos on the internet that all say different things. For instance, one video will say plant your front heel, then start to rotate, while others say start to rotate then plant your heel. How do you learn proper form right from the beginning, so you don't have to spend weeks fixing the bad habits you picked up along the way blindly figuring it out?

[@brian6speed]

if you don't plant you can't transfer power

[@isaks3243]

fun fact, I don't really have an off arm. it is super practical =)

[@Javaman92]

Wow Danny, at one point you took yourself more seriously. 😕 How can you expect us to trust what you say when you seem to think you're a joke. I've been subscribed for a long time. Believe in yourself. Why just about every disc golfer knows, slow is smooth and smooth is far.

[@davidwishecoby7797]

Aiight bruh... I Subbed! Lol

[@brosa1212]

Was this made on the new PC?

[@adamsmith-mu5qg]

At the end of the day.....get your rounds in. The disc don't throw itself...throw everything....making burritos...putt the tortilla on the plate.....make sandwich....hyzer the bread annnnnd the cheese!!!! Disc golf is a journey beginning with a fledgling arm...flap the wing, throw the thing until you soar like Phoenix. Patience my young chickens!

[@tylercarman2084]

This was like some Bill Nye type shit

[@bobbydetter332]

Timing joke got me 🤣

[@daltonfletcher5473]

Bro your knowledge does help for real but Eric Oakley has 1 of the goofiest form I can’t really configure my form from his example

[@krauselee877]

Im just gonna go forehand roller for now on...

[@JejuneJesuit]

European players seem to have the best off-arm drive. Kristian Kuoksa, Albert Tamm, Niklas Anttila...

[@SZbooyaka]

OK, just tried this with my usual card of friends. Them: whoa you added some distance to your drive! What are you doing different? Me: Danny Lindahl told me to punch myself in the crotch while running! XD Them: O.o