How to Wake up Best Scooter Batteries of 2021

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@jenniferbrown-west782
@jenniferbrown-west782 Жыл бұрын
I ordered a battery from jag35. He's very responsive with support. Thx Jag35 for assisting with my purchase!
@1scottburns
@1scottburns 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent timing. I have 12 days before a big trip and I have 4 scooter batteries I need to wake up for my camper so I have more power! Thank you thank you thank you!
@christopherleveck6835
@christopherleveck6835 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a couple hundred lead acid bicycle chargers... they are 24volt chargers with a three wire plug which is basically two 12volt hot and a ground. If you want any they are REALLY nice. They sold for 200 bucks new. I'd trade them for store credit SUPER cheap.
@FabriDragon
@FabriDragon 3 жыл бұрын
Are they hermetically sealed? If u can get at the adjustment pot inside u can change the voltage and maybe can be used for lithium.
@markusr1308
@markusr1308 7 ай бұрын
Lol, I found this two days after I ordered batteries from Jag because they ones I have all were dead. Just revived 4 dead batteries with this wakeup trick and waiting for the ones I ordered from Jehu.
@JonDotExe
@JonDotExe 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. I used to repair these scooters and I have a bunch of leftover parts sitting around that needed woken up! (Also that series charger at the end is dope! What a cool use of extra chargers!)
@joeKisonue
@joeKisonue Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I spent 3 days yelling and brewing coffee for my pack
@BenHanson137
@BenHanson137 2 жыл бұрын
If you found you're way here after having trouble waking up your 20 cell scooter packs here's my experience June 2022: Charging directly to the thin wires with no other steps only worked on one of my 5 packs purchased recently, Red light blinks 5-8 times then stops, charger stays green. I'm not sure if this may be because they have been sitting for some time at this point or other factors I don't understand, but if you end up in a similar situation I have seen some success with hitting the reset and charging threw the discharge port (Thicker cables) as shown in this video.
@liamspence9763
@liamspence9763 2 жыл бұрын
Were you able to wake your packs with charging and hitting the button as shown here? I'm refurbishing a couple ES2s rn and seem to get the behavior shown in the video (hitting bms button begins charging, solid red on charger and blinking red on battery), though when I disconnect the charger the battery flashes red and turns off again. Not sure if I just need to charge for longer or through the smaller leads, or if there's another issue altogether
@primalscream4816
@primalscream4816 2 жыл бұрын
Same problem any answers
@garythurman7649
@garythurman7649 2 жыл бұрын
Comment on the 30 cell scooter battery. Two of the four i bought would not wake up after i used all the tricks I could find. I soldered positive wire with xt60 to the positive on battery and used a splicer on the negitive wire. Left all the orginal wiring and the BMS alone and used charging port to recharge after discharging it on a bike ride. BTW I put battery in a piece of 2"x3" vinyl downspout to protect it. Used a 3"x4" to run two in parallel.
@larryw.7311
@larryw.7311 3 жыл бұрын
I bought 2 batteries and 2 hub wheels getting ready to build soon. Thanks
@mitch73gtmuscle
@mitch73gtmuscle Жыл бұрын
I had a load problem when I used this hack. So the resistor worked fairly well with full volts on my scooters, BUT... the Bms was then shutting off under load. I want to keep the bms for charging/balancing purposes, so then hard wired direct from the battery poles at either end. Sorted! No shut down and I just monitor the power levels on my controller for now.
@West_Coast_Ganbaru
@West_Coast_Ganbaru Жыл бұрын
This man is a god send
@bj97301
@bj97301 3 жыл бұрын
Damn those are some nice cells.
@sshaw4429
@sshaw4429 7 ай бұрын
The tube battery is also already in the “asinwheel U1” EBike.
@BarbeRodzTV
@BarbeRodzTV 2 жыл бұрын
Wowww I like that kind of battery supper fast 😯❤️❤️
@DIYwithBatteries
@DIYwithBatteries 3 жыл бұрын
I love batteries especially these 18650's 😁👍
@Skupik1
@Skupik1 3 жыл бұрын
What about Okai 400B 48V battery? How to wake that up?
@djrewindman
@djrewindman 2 жыл бұрын
NO SHIPPING TO UK! I want that will work 100% tested or untested I’m capable in resetting the bms so that’s not a problem. Then when I know 100% there good I’ll be an official uk outlet for you. Get back either way thank you Alan
@pincopallo9551
@pincopallo9551 2 жыл бұрын
Please make a video for 2022! You are the best!!!
@Abubububu
@Abubububu 3 жыл бұрын
How do we figure out how many ?’s the batteries are? And how do we know if the batteries really are dead or is in hibernation mode…? Thanx 4 awesome video
@Drexfpv03
@Drexfpv03 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info at 11:30. My externa battery has been acting up and i got error code 42 and i have tried charging it with the cord but it just blinks, so now imma get the special one that plugs into the back side of it.
@noearias2006
@noearias2006 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXCELLENT VIDEO GOOD KNOWLEDGE
@mattex3396
@mattex3396 3 жыл бұрын
Please add international shipping, we need these batteries in europe
@apat279
@apat279 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously, I could buy a pallet load
@joeKisonue
@joeKisonue Жыл бұрын
​@@apat279 perhaps you need an agent here. He won't ship. But I'm not busy...
@funkychicken357
@funkychicken357 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Super helpful!!!!!
@bryancunningham1095
@bryancunningham1095 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your video and learned alot, where are some of these sources for these NOS (new old stock) e-bike batteries, i used to get batteries from inogen packs for medical equipment because you could see before you bought them that they where not dead cells before you bought a bulk of them by looking at the capacity test on the batteries but big warehouses buy these all up now, i dont want used pc batteries because people dont usually replace these unless they are really used up. It didnt occur to me about the e-bike packs but now are building more of these and need a small bulk supply for these.
@michaelgallaway9024
@michaelgallaway9024 Жыл бұрын
You don’t have to poke a hole in the seal casing is it you have to do is connect 12 V to the positive and negative of the small plug and it will jump it once the light flashes pull the paper clips or wires out of the plug
@pashko90
@pashko90 3 жыл бұрын
Jag, be carefull with es4 external pack. Thru bottom cottector this packs are not balansing! I seen them go very bad on balansing.
@tynewlin
@tynewlin 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think he's suggesting it as a long-term solution. You just need to bump the battery voltage up enough for the BMS to recognize the cells so that it will begin charging through the intended charge connection again.
@thatcarguy2778
@thatcarguy2778 3 жыл бұрын
I built a ebike basically copying your build. All is well except I have a blinking red light on the battery and a solid red light on the charger until I unplug the battery then it goes to a blinking blue light on the battery pack and solid green on the charger.
@jehugarcia
@jehugarcia 3 жыл бұрын
That’s normal behavior on battery
@craftsoda
@craftsoda 3 жыл бұрын
what are the dimensions of the full block on the 30 cell 36v 10A scooter battery - the second one shown. Wondering if it will fit into the Razer 300, as an upgrade. thx Looks 15 cells long so thats 11 inches and a BMS on the end, so 13 inches maybe?
@game2end412
@game2end412 2 жыл бұрын
For the Xiaomi scooter battery. can you really charge them directly from the bigger positive and negative wire? i think those are the output wires. will it damage the battery? i'm trying to build a power station from these batteries, but confuse if i can combine the original charging (smaller positive and negative) wires for charging.
@JonDotExe
@JonDotExe 2 жыл бұрын
Batteries don't care about things like input or output. You make a circuit and electrons flow from anode to cathode
@selamigogua3423
@selamigogua3423 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, did you have a method to wake up Okai ES400 48V battery pack ?
@chrischambers4513
@chrischambers4513 3 жыл бұрын
when is the circuit board you show towards the end of this video inside your hand built powerwall going to be available? What all does it do and how many scooter battery packs will it work with?
@amirgunic8984
@amirgunic8984 11 ай бұрын
Hi i have 2 li ion battery for bicycle 36v 12a. I want put battery in paralel. They have charging port and discharging port. Thanks
@christianconsunto-yo2cp
@christianconsunto-yo2cp Жыл бұрын
Where i can but external or replacement battery for mearth x pro
@stephenwhite4950
@stephenwhite4950 Жыл бұрын
I’m in the market for the add on upgrade battery for a Segway ninebot e22 scooter. I bought one on Amazon at 39 percent off but the additional battery pack is outrageously high priced.
@tegrof245
@tegrof245 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Is there a reset for bike ebike v-frame ? Just bought one new and battery is dead!
@stevea1118
@stevea1118 5 ай бұрын
Which charger do you recommend to wake up a swagtron 5 the battery output connector looks like the yellow one you have on the video. And do you know if it has a button on the battery? Also by any chance I appreciate all your help in advance. Your videos are awesome.
@vwhooligan59
@vwhooligan59 2 ай бұрын
For the es2 batteries, what voltage is recommended? I have the stock charger but can get a couple more. I also have a variable voltage board that could work too. Thanks for any insight and thanks for the video!
@Stallworth1234
@Stallworth1234 10 ай бұрын
Do you make batteries that can extend you ride time
@joynalmiah2031
@joynalmiah2031 Жыл бұрын
Hi, my Ninebot external battery pack when plugged into the charger, flashes between red and green, like what is shown in the video. I have disconnected from the scooter, but the charger still flashes between red and green. What can i do to save it.
@AirborneSapper82
@AirborneSapper82 Жыл бұрын
Great video !!!
@paulbarrette2557
@paulbarrette2557 3 жыл бұрын
This is a sales channel now
@luispardo3323
@luispardo3323 11 ай бұрын
Hi. I have an original Nanrobot D4 (1st generation). Barely used it and all of a sudden dies out after 1 minute of use. How can I check if they are still any good? Or need a new battery pack?
@jenniferbrown-west782
@jenniferbrown-west782 Жыл бұрын
How do I get a 37 volt isinwheel battery from you, please? Thank you for your video!
@atown7714
@atown7714 Жыл бұрын
I have a Hover 1 alpha does nothing what this size charger I need to wake it up!! It’s the yellow tip?
@guillermomartinez1837
@guillermomartinez1837 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a better picture of where the reset button is for the first battery you show on this video
@mauriciovazquez158
@mauriciovazquez158 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Can you explain on how to make a 48v16AH on a 750W motor. thank you
@jobsonpaul
@jobsonpaul 9 ай бұрын
Nice videos. I have a TurboAnt x7 Pro. Do those batteries have a reset as I have 3 and all three are reporting dead on the charger but have only had 20-30 cycles. THanks
@chrisc6342
@chrisc6342 Жыл бұрын
I need the charger by its self to wake up the battery do you sell it by its w 4:27
@moseskings6638
@moseskings6638 Жыл бұрын
Can you please give a link to where I can get the batteries
@toddbonitz601
@toddbonitz601 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@honkers009
@honkers009 Жыл бұрын
I need to see videos on how to open scooter for battery change.
@Just_Ask_Cora
@Just_Ask_Cora 2 жыл бұрын
Have a rover e-bike battery….will that work
@teamcq9204
@teamcq9204 Жыл бұрын
Anyone have information on the 5thWheel m2 scooter? I bought one for my kid and the battery was full. Once she depleted the battery, it won’t charge. 5thWheel is no help. I can’t figure out how to remove the battery and what I think is the main wire plug is a three prong with a grey, yellow and green wire. Anyone out there that can give me directions to get my baby girl back on her scooter?
@johanneskoedood2235
@johanneskoedood2235 3 жыл бұрын
jehu in Europe they wont sell scooter batteries to non-commercial so we have no distributor addresses for scooter and other 18650 battery packs and when orde from ali expres all above 20 euro buy in china pay tax extras
@marine1718
@marine1718 7 ай бұрын
Does the battery do balance if you charge the by the discharge port?
@livinglifemyway7349
@livinglifemyway7349 2 жыл бұрын
Jehu, A question on the 30 cell battery pack it has the green , white wires where do those wires connect if using just as an ebike battery replacement? Do I need to use them? or can I just connect the larger red / blk to the oem ebike battery wires?
@voidenterthehighlights
@voidenterthehighlights 6 ай бұрын
Hey Jehu, can you make a video on how to wake up the Ninebot Scooter R12 Battery? what type of charger from your website do I need to purchase?
@abdulrahmanalfaqeer7858
@abdulrahmanalfaqeer7858 2 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the blue battery on amazon
@Just_Ask_Cora
@Just_Ask_Cora 2 жыл бұрын
Just found you…where is the store to buy batteries and cable wake up devices….
@m.kilgore8555
@m.kilgore8555 9 ай бұрын
I have a nine bot ES2 battery that is blinking blue, but only showing one volt… Is it hopeless?
@Derpherppington
@Derpherppington Жыл бұрын
Are u still selling Ninebot Es2 internal battery? Nm your shipping is more than the battery.
@johnnymachuca7694
@johnnymachuca7694 Ай бұрын
I have a Yume raptor e-scooter 60v 30 ah what battery you think I can use as an external battery. Do you sell one and wires?
@jared1228
@jared1228 3 жыл бұрын
I have a hack full power no dongle still using the BMS provided with your 40 cell Panasonic scooter batteries if your interested.
@sidjones-randomstuff2058
@sidjones-randomstuff2058 3 жыл бұрын
I am interested. thanks!
@jared1228
@jared1228 3 жыл бұрын
I will have to make a video soon but until then can walk you through it. Have you removed the casing from your battery pack yet to expose the BMS?
@sidjones-randomstuff2058
@sidjones-randomstuff2058 3 жыл бұрын
@@jared1228 Not yet. I removed the rubber at both ends and have tried to push through. No luck. I see a guy using a hydraulic jack to push it through and I've seen others using a saw to cut through it. Would love to see your video of how you removed it and your hack. I've seen by moving the negative wire on the discharge side over you can bypass the BMS on the discharge and still use the input cables for the BMS charging. But other than that I have not gotten very far. Thanks!
@jared1228
@jared1228 3 жыл бұрын
Well I had to use this all also but I actually cut it right where the base meets the casing that way I was able to put it back together by putting the two ends on it. But now that I've had it apart you probably don't even have to take it apart because I can give you measurements and you can drill but you got to got to be careful but I can give you depth and everything you might have to dig out a little bit of the gray stuff
@jared1228
@jared1228 3 жыл бұрын
All's I'm going to have you do is bypass the part of the circuit that doesn't allow the power to pass through. It's very simple. You'll still leave the BMS hooked up exactly how it is and you will still use the BMS both for discharge and for charging purposes. But you will tap into the negative right where the battery meets the PC board. All I did was solder wire the same gauge as the one that was already coming out and then routed it right back at the same hole that it was already coming out of and snipped the other one back. It works great. I've got mine doubled up in series for 72 volts and my scooter loves it. I have all power and all speed. It took so long to wear the batteries down I was beginning to wonder if they were ever going to run down
@chasthanhburns123
@chasthanhburns123 7 ай бұрын
anyone know the max amp for charging port on the es90 batteries?
@rickydurbin9728
@rickydurbin9728 3 жыл бұрын
The 30cell battery...Do you use the same red & black wires for charging the battery too transfer power to the controller/hub?
@McShankz
@McShankz 3 жыл бұрын
I have the second battery. My charger has a solid red light when connected to the battery instead of blinking. And when I pressed the button, there is a red LED and a blue LED that blink on the battery. Is this okay?
@gordsand5148
@gordsand5148 5 ай бұрын
i gota problem for awhile of my escooter running out of juice but then it turns back on in hr what the hell
@lifewithcrystalsbybilly5389
@lifewithcrystalsbybilly5389 Жыл бұрын
I have a teewing x5 that battery I need to be awakened. Can you help me?
@harwoods11
@harwoods11 2 жыл бұрын
Just how long on average should a scooter battery pack last?
@carman1209
@carman1209 2 жыл бұрын
How much for the last battery and charger that you check. Thank you
@adrianstalder887
@adrianstalder887 2 жыл бұрын
Great Class Sir. So Am Fixing a Fat Tire scooter 60v 35amh w a 2000w motor. How do I get my paws on these surplus Battery packs. they are stupid expensive of Amazon.
@kuntz144
@kuntz144 7 ай бұрын
What about the bird 3 scooter batteries? I won 45 of them from an auction and im in the middle of converting them to personal but they have been sitting for some time and most of the bms are locked from sitting around. Please tell me you know how and jave done it. Otherwise im sitting on alot of wasted money. Great Video
@jbpresley1249
@jbpresley1249 Жыл бұрын
You test/rebuild/refurbish travelscot batteries for a few?
@frankhouck4446
@frankhouck4446 2 жыл бұрын
On the round battery (used in ninebot es1-4), why can’t I just plug the standard charger in the side charge port instead of getting an ex30 adapter? Am I missing something? Additionally, I have heard putting a 12v or 9v charge across the red abc black connection is the same as hitting the reset.
@robertrobarge5294
@robertrobarge5294 2 жыл бұрын
I have a hover one journey that has a battery pack in it similar to the first one you charged or woke up. I took the battery apart mine must be different there is no button hidden anywhere on the battery pack.
@hichamaz8076
@hichamaz8076 8 ай бұрын
Hello i've been watching your channel for a long time , i have a question please i have a problem with my electric scooter 😢 no long range 8 or 7 kilometers maximum 😢 and the battery runs out very quickly and the battery charges from 0 to 100% in 2h30min the charger is 54V 2A my scooter with a 48v 500w motor and the battery 48V 8.8Ah 422.4Wh and the controller 48v/38v 350WB i want to ask you first what should I change? and any advice would be great thank you so much
@ShoeManReview
@ShoeManReview 5 ай бұрын
i got my Bird ES1 battery out of the stem and hooked up to a charger. Drilled a hole in the casing and hit the reset button. It is blinking red now. When i hook up the charger to the discharge plug, just like you did, the charger blinks green and never turns red. I never get a blue blinking light on the battery.. Do you know what i am doing wrong or if the battery is possibly bad? Thank you for all this information.
@E85_STI
@E85_STI 2 жыл бұрын
I was given two 36v hover board battery packs and I took one apart and all the cells were reading 0.5 volts each so I just revived all the individual cells with a good 18650 battery and litokala charger but my question is I have a third 36v hover board battery that is good so could I just take some wire and connect the bad one to the good battery pack to revive it? These packs aren’t smart or don’t have any reset buttons like these packs you have.
@PacificEagleAirCam7377
@PacificEagleAirCam7377 9 ай бұрын
Can you sell or fix a Hover 1 Alpha E scooter battery? Or how to awake that model? ANY INFO Thanks in advance 👍
@roodick85
@roodick85 3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually looking to replace the dongle from the first set of scooter batteries you have here with a high amp bms to run a golf cart. Lovely battery but the bms amperage is too low
@liamspence9763
@liamspence9763 2 жыл бұрын
How do you tell if a battery is just asleep vs damaged/bad? Specifically the cylindrical ES2 battery from the vid? Thanks!
@jargurek1235
@jargurek1235 Жыл бұрын
if you charge it thru discharge port , and u see on the multimeter something aobut 40v, u can unplug it and the plug it normally u would, if it starts to charge, then i was possibly asleep, but if it still wont charge, then its dead and u need to buy new one :((
@janislidaka4658
@janislidaka4658 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have some video how to wake up,, coppercell,, battery, its from swifty e- bike
@gerardkenny8882
@gerardkenny8882 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Might you know how to wake-up a Unagi E500 e-scooter's 33.6V battery ? I reckon it may be in sleep mode because the owner left discharged and when he gave to me to fix it had dropped to around 20V. I used and external P/S connected directly so as to bypass the LiIon protection circuit and succesfully / carefully charged the BS-18650-8S3P battery back to max 33.6V (nominal 28.8V). However the battery still wont charge via the normal charge port when I use a scooter 33.6V 2A P/S with same connector adaptor and same rating as origional P/S It still wont charge even if I use the bench P/S to provide charge via the normal charging port. There's no current flowing ! I dont have the original Unagi P/S as is lost and a replacement is expensive. The 33.6V battery is a sealed one. I dont have it's protection circuit's electronic diagram to figure out how it works. Unagi refuse to help because owner has lost the proof of ownership reciept paperwork.
@joeycandella
@joeycandella 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought the XT30 charger for my ES4 external battery, should I keep both chargers plugged in until the battery is fully charged or just the regular charger? The regular charger blinks red and green
@gabrielll7392
@gabrielll7392 Жыл бұрын
You ever figure this out?
@spikesvideos
@spikesvideos 11 ай бұрын
Great stuff!! where can i find your stuff for sale, i could use a few batteries...
@spikesvideos
@spikesvideos 11 ай бұрын
of course now im seeing your links above, lol
@dennismeeker2862
@dennismeeker2862 2 жыл бұрын
I have a scooter battery, brand name is lugging. I messed up and left battery in scooter for a long time and it discharged. When I tried to recharge, charger doesn’t recognize there is battery hooked to it. Are you at all familiar with these and is there a way to save it? I really need the scooter now as I am in my mid 70s living on social security.
@slytor6553
@slytor6553 2 жыл бұрын
Once its awake how long does it last awake. Speaking of the one you built the bike with.
@chrislincoln489
@chrislincoln489 3 жыл бұрын
Can I ask a question about 18650 cells. I;m new to this and I am trying to build a 5s 10p x2 power cell for backup power for lights and maybe a radio. My question is about BMS's. If I have 5 leads to connect to each row of Block. Then how can it tell each cell in that row is even in power. My guess is it can't. But only can keep up with each row. If that is true then a row with 10 cells is not really balanced. So what is the point in a BMS on long rowes. Thank you Chris L
@tototl13
@tototl13 Жыл бұрын
Quick question hopefully you can respond. If not, I understand you’re busy man so for the round iron battery will you have to reset the battery when it’s sleeping or whatever it’s called. there’s a wire with a white connection to that next to that button. What is that one for cause on mine I have to reset mine and there is a plastic white piece over that connection that I took off and it does fit one of the other wires that connects to the bottom end of the frame by the front wheel. I hope you can help me. Thank you.
@jehugarcia
@jehugarcia Жыл бұрын
Yeah that is the charge connector along with communication. Add 42v to it to charge and wake up battery
@elijahhendrix3283
@elijahhendrix3283 3 жыл бұрын
How do you charge the Lithium scooter battery with the case? the connecter is different from the charger
@arjanvanderheijden838
@arjanvanderheijden838 3 жыл бұрын
I use this battery too. You can plug a male XT30 connector; it's a little different but will fit. Be careful because you can plug it reverse; check + and -.
@arjanvanderheijden838
@arjanvanderheijden838 3 жыл бұрын
How can I discharche the battery, th big plug can be used for charging but won't work for discharging.
@jakubmalcherek5587
@jakubmalcherek5587 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Maybe you know how to unlock the BMS in the battery of the Xiaomi G9 vacuum cleaner? The battery is flashing red led. It cannot be charged. the cells have already been balanced.
@JesusLopez-lt1ig
@JesusLopez-lt1ig 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use the segway ninebot battery on an Electric bike conversion kit?
@LifeWithKylie346
@LifeWithKylie346 6 ай бұрын
Where do we get the charger with xt30 connector? I need it asap brother….the charger from first battery demo in this video
@earthenergyhex
@earthenergyhex 3 жыл бұрын
Love this channel
@AlchemiUnlimited
@AlchemiUnlimited 3 жыл бұрын
How can any of theses packs with out reconfiguration for 48/52v 1000w ebike?
@ShoeManReview
@ShoeManReview 5 ай бұрын
Also if i buy a "x1 pack ( Tested, BMS awake)" will the battery plug in and charge up?
@Californiansurfer
@Californiansurfer 3 жыл бұрын
AMERICAN CHOLO PODCAST AND CHOLO COOKING CHANNEL. PODCAST. RESPECT ✊
@TheArchimedesEffect
@TheArchimedesEffect 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@aldisgarais
@aldisgarais 2 жыл бұрын
And how long do you charge it? Till the battery is full?
@ZpaztiK_TaktikZ
@ZpaztiK_TaktikZ 2 жыл бұрын
which one of these would fit pure air scooter? I want to increase range on it.
@jsfreeman1978
@jsfreeman1978 2 ай бұрын
Where is the vids at the bottom that have been discussed alot?:I need to see these but I'm not finding?
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