How to win With Ogres in Warhammer: The Old World

In this video, I sit down with Jack Cropper to discuss his success with the Ogre Kingdoms-are they really as bad as people think? We dive into his winning list, explore the tactics he uses to dominate games, and talk about what he might change moving forward. If you’re curious about making Ogre Kingdoms work or just want to hear expert insights, this is the video for you! #theoldworld #dwarf #dwarfs #ogrekingdoms
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[@jackcrop]

Thanks for having me on!

[@Dawiafterdark]

Was great to have you on mate !

[@tomcorbett6089]

When i saw that block of bulls, i thought i was going crazy over rating iron guts all this time! But you did address it. Its a shame theres the 1 unit of bulls tax. If you took a giant block of iron guts what bulls would you run? 3 msu ironfists?

[@jackcrop]

@@tomcorbett6089 yeah that’s what I took first time round. And probably just keep them behind the ironguts to add a flank support if needed.

[@theharpdaddy]

This was such a great interview! Thanks for tabling your thoughts and your ideas for where to take the roster in the future. With some tweaking I think you can get a core of 3 bulls, 10 ironguts and either 2 units of sabretusks or 2 units of gnoblar trappers - would you be happy with trappers or will they just not pull the same type of weight as your Sabres?

[@jackcrop]

@@theharpdaddythanks for the message! I’ve yet to try gnoblars really, the manoeuvrability of the sabres is what makes them so useful. Not sure gnoblars have that same capability of appearing in a tight gap when I really need them. I have some thoughts of dropping trappers down, 10-20 wide, 12” in-front of these big wide shooting units we are currently seeing to provide hard cover for my gutbus to make it across the board. I did something similar with my sabres this weekend just gone to great effect against a dwarf shooty line with rangers and irondrakes.

[@timmyo8362]

I cant appreciate this video enough. As a new player ive been struggling mightily with ogres. My tactics were always full send, smash face. This gives me renewed hope!

[@Dawiafterdark]

Thank you ! That’s actually the entire point of this channel really , to show you don’t just need a dragon in old world and the perceived weaker armys can still do well ! Merry Christmas !

[@timmyo8362]

@Dawiafterdark I'm loving the channel so far. I have a pile of slayers stashed away from the very end of 8th edition. You may have also inspired me to dust them off and pick up some stunts brothers to pair with them some day soon. Merry Christmas!

[@Dawiafterdark]

@ yes !!!! Do it ! You’ll have a great time ! Merry Christmas to you too !

[@jackcrop]

It’s basically my tactic with some small tactics to help get them there safe!

[@neilenigma77]

Fantastic job guys! Ive been collecting wfb stuff since 3rd edition and wanted hop back in with TOW with both Dwarf and ogre armies so this channel and this episode is much appreciated.

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@neilenigma77 welcome back to the old world !! I hope you really enjoy it !and enjoy it as much as we do !

[@321mrtactic]

Btw, for models that causes terror, you don’t need majority to cause a terror test when you charge with the terror causing model. It is only for when you charge a terror causing model/unit that you treat it like fear. So a Brute inside a unit of Ogre bulls can still cause terror upon a unit that they charge and still inflict the -1 to break tests for the opponent. It doesn’t require majority like fear and such. The majority only matters when you charge a terror causing model cause it is treated like it had fear. Granted Ogres mostly have fear so that isn’t an issue.

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@321mrtactic ahh perfect 👌 I thought it had to be majority, wish I could get terror causers in the dwarf army haha

[@321mrtactic]

@@Dawiafterdarkjust take your beard back from the High Elves. They have a beard that causes terror.

[@Dawiafterdark]

Dastardly elgi trickery !!!

[@Sekuda]

Love to see some legacy armies doing well! Great content as always!

[@Dawiafterdark]

Thanks mate appreciate it ! I know it’s always great when a perceived weaker army can do really well !

[@MissJunksBits]

Great episode! I'm starting Ogres this year so expect that win percentage to drop significantly :D

[@Dawiafterdark]

I’m sure you will do great ! I really like the fat bois!

[@jackcrop]

Best of luck! They’re good fun to throw down with on the table :)

[@RiverMayCry123]

I don't even play ToW (ex 6-8th player) but I've been devouring ToW content. As an elgi player I've steered clear of your channel until your 'How to win with High Elves' video and earlier today I thought that maybe if you made an Ogre video then I'll hit that subscribe button.. Well played sir

[@Dawiafterdark]

Hahahaha perfect dwarfen timing … much better than those tricksy knife ear channels 😂😂

[@Dawiafterdark]

Cheers for watching though :) appreciate it !

[@minimagtray]

Totally onboard with that statement, great way to learn about this new game.

[@UKRESINPRINT]

42:41 you smooth bastard

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@UKRESINPRINT knew you’d love it 😂😂

[@mikek2662]

nice to see legacy armies doing well, great chat!

[@keithr9640]

Glad to see this. After Dwarfs the Ogres are my other army. I’m currently going uphill with them since I’m trying to make them work without ironblasters.

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@keithr9640 have you been having fun with them though ? I think big units definitely help !

[@keithr9640]

Definitely enjoying them! Totally different play style which I find makes me really work to be successful with them. He did make me rethink my use of the Stonehorn over the Thundertusk. Gonna switch that out next game.

[@Dawiafterdark]

Glad you’re enjoying it ! Yeah it’s a really interesting idea isn’t it

[@nublord365]

I'm an ogre enjoyer for sure. Glad you did well, Jack! Can't say I agree with you on a lot of your army choices but good on you.

[@Dawiafterdark]

He’s a great guy aswell so always nice to see him doing well ! I really like the ogres I’m not sure why people think they are terrible , what are your hot takes ?

[@jackcrop]

@@nublord365 always open to new suggestions! How do you think I can improve the list? :)

[@nublord365]

@@Dawiafterdark i'm auce so you might already know em. I like small units, would never play without mournfang, not a fan of the sabrecats (i own 10 of them but never use them).

[@jackcrop]

@@nublord365 starting to agree with you on the sabres. Think Gnoblar trappers have better outcomes for screening without the risk of having to charge out the way. However think there’s still space for 1-2 units of cats for sneaking through gaps or rapid pushes towards artillery. Tried mournfang and not 100% sold on them. Felt like they died to any gunfire generally I faced which is a lot in our local area.

[@stonehorsegaming]

Great video, nice to see the Fatties doing well! Ogre Bulls with Iron Fists, seem like a dream come true, 4 attacks a piece and a 5+ save, not too shabby. Sheer weight of numbers should be enough. That said, a big block of Iron Guts is really going to cause some pain. Regarding combat static res, I think Skaven can get up to 11. Stormvermin with Grand banner of Supremity, bsb with War Banner, 3 ranks, and on a hill. Close order +1 Ranks +3 2 standards +2 Magic banners +4 Hill +1

[@Dawiafterdark]

The skaven static is so good isn’t it !! I’m really happy that the perceived weaker armies are starting to be played more now !

[@stonehorsegaming]

@Dawiafterdark aye, just wish my Vampire Counts could build a strong (tournament winning) list without relying upon Wailing Dirge and LD debuff bombs to prop up the list... would be nice to have Vampire Counts be the big threat in the list, as it is just overshadowed by how phenomenally good a Necromancer (or 2) on Mortis Engine is.

[@IronbearClan]

Another great video. High quality content. Glad to see Ogres coming up. The Tyrant is an absolute beast. The Hunter is such a wicked model. Making a fast Cav sabertusk army would be dope. 3K points eh, High King? Zhufbar would run 9 cannons. Now mobile to maximize firing lanes. The old 6th edition fix with cannons. Dragons? How many cannons you runnin? lol

[@Dawiafterdark]

Thank you my thane ! I know it’s been great to see them playing at events ! So I was actually thinking of adding a second anvil and a unit of hammerers haha , probabaly not the best choice at all but I’ve been itching to get my hammerers out haha , loads of cannons would definitely be a better option for sure hahaha

[@IronbearClan]

Same! Hammerers are soo good. If you yeet them, they have to be dealt with right? let those hammers fly!

[@Dawiafterdark]

Yes !!!! It will be glorious !!! Yeeting two units a turn will be so fun !

[@IronbearClan]

Is my High King battling at LVO in January? I just punched my ticket. Karak Azul marches! Doubles on Sunday

[@Dawiafterdark]

@ I’m not this year unfortunately! I will try to be next time though ! I’ve been wanting to go for years ! Plus it’s normally my birthday weekend so will be a good excuse hahaha , ohhhh nice !!! I hope you smash it !!! Do the dawi proud !!

[@JeffG-n8p]

Dwarves vs bretonnia ! Can’t wait !

[@Salarygirl_uk]

I need to pull out my 8th ed army. It has about 40 80s empire ogres and halfings as gnoblars

[@Dawiafterdark]

Yeasss !!!!

[@MacMuskelAttack]

I volunteer for the Orc and goblins episode! Would be great to have a chat. /Markus

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@MacMuskelAttack offering yourself up as grobi tribute ? ⛏️

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

I wonder if you might be prepared to do a video on the redressing the ranks thing. It's certainly something I struggle to get my head around and I doubt that I'm alone. Particularly the measuring of the 6" (where you can measure from and to), which models are seen as going to which positions to optimise how many you can move, any issues with the rear rank being incomplete and all over to one side etc. I guess there would be disagreements about what's 'right', but a thorough explanation of how it's played in the tournament scene that you're part of would be really helpful.

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@ClydeMillerWynant yeah of course and the fact different countries rule it different aswell 😂😂 I try to do it the fairest way and the clearest way keeping within the double move max rule and while keeping the command in the centre , in Germany they have ruled it that the command can move and you can just expand to one side which is wild !!!

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

@@Dawiafterdark To be honest I had assumed you could go either side if you wanted. And if you wanted to go to town then a discussion of what that opens out where it's allowed would also be no bad thing. Putting that to one side seeing it done with some models on the table and some of the potential pitfalls demonstrated would be great - most people are surely sensible enough to discuss it BTL in good faith. A lot of TOW content online is list-building stuff and that's often interesting, but it would be nice if there was more out there on the actual playing of the game.

[@michaelsaxton4925]

I do okay with Ogres, (though Dwarfs tend to beat me up) I use big groups of Yheetees (moving through cover is great) or Sabretusks to tie up things, while the big bull unit does the point gathering. I actually do well against the varied pointy ears and normal Bret armies (common in my group).

[@jackcrop]

@@michaelsaxton4925 weight of attacks getting through the armour saves?

[@michaelsaxton4925]

​@@jackcrop Against Elves yes, I will play a couple of games vs. Warriors of Chaos over the next 2 weeks. Will report back on getting through their armour

[@monsterhelmet48]

And great vid i dig the legacy love

[@Dawiafterdark]

Cheers mate I do love the big lads !

[@nickwalk54]

Best opening line ever

[@Dawiafterdark]

😂😂😂 glad someone enjoyed it haha

[@d6wounds]

You mentioned about redressing the ranks equally each side of the unit - where does it say that? Cheers!

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@d6wounds so it says that the comand models has to always stay central , so this has just been the agreed remedy for this weird rules interaction

[@d6wounds]

@@Dawiafterdark Hmm ok I see what you mean. I must say I have never played it like that. I feel it would be there under the Redress the ranks rule if you had to do it that way. But yea that's a weird one!

[@Dawiafterdark]

@ it’s abit weird and I would much prefer it if you could skew out to just one side but I feel the intention is for that to happen . I think people have just decided to use the ruling that makes drilled worse 😂 if you can find anything that disproves it please let me know as it would make my royal clans better haha

[@messihah3819]

creating first army here, ive started on ogre army and i was wondering if it would be a waste to get stonehorn on hunter with some sabetusks and harpoon say compared to a tyrant in term of dealing with lords and heroes and elites?

[@Dawiafterdark]

So it wouldn’t be as strong for dealing with heros . But with scout would be amazing in dealing with backline , taking out all warmachines turn two or being right next to a gunline to deal with them can be really handy !

[@messihah3819]

@@Dawiafterdark i see thanks, also is there a reason why people steer away from allied units?

[@jackcrop]

@@DawiafterdarkI don’t think the hunters on stonehorn can scout unfortunately:(

[@Dawiafterdark]

@ wuuuuttt????

[@katfezza4570]

My ogres are limited to the old 80s and 90s metals (and I'm not letting myself mix in modern stuff) so no stonehorns or mournfangs for me. I will just persevere with them and damn the consequences. They look cool and that's enough for me.

[@Dawiafterdark]

To be honest I just think a couple of massive blobs of infantry could work really well and be very fun to play with !

[@katfezza4570]

A bunch of ranked up oggies do look pretty intimidating, even if you don't get many units. I know I have some reeeeeeaaaally old wood elf wildcats somewhere that could maybe serve as sabertusks. I'll need to go hunting.

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

@@katfezza4570 I've got some of those cats myself, you might find they're a bit small, but then again why not. 80s and early 90s ogres were so good, it's a shame that didn't carry through when they created Ogre Kingdoms. Special place for ogres on the list of factions for which the really old models are easily the best as in their case it's the ones that predate them being a faction at all. Great that you're running a load of them though!

[@davidoliver3528]

i run ironguts as 6 or 7 with bsb and tyrant, take the slaughtermaster with a unit of gnoblar and the sickle, find it quite effective (with elementalism not battle magic)

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@davidoliver3528 oooffftt that’s a dense brick !!!! I love it !

[@tomcorbett6089]

I've been running slaughtermaster with the battlemagic, lore familiar and ruby ring setup and he does wreck tbh.

[@davidoliver3528]

mournfang can get 3+ with ironfist and they should definitely be run with the bull standard

[@Dawiafterdark]

I think great works for damage output is pretty spicy mind

[@Pawiu14]

Can you do lizardmen next?

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@Pawiu14 I can definitely try to get someone on that knows lizards !

[@Pawiu14]

@Dawiafterdark as a Lizard enjoyer, I would love to see some professional opinions on what to play with them!

[@Dawiafterdark]

@ I will see if my mate pip will come on he’s been smashing them for months at events now

[@monsterhelmet48]

Drilled is not done around centre unfortunately, in the wtc faq it can be done to either side with is terrifying, thought you may wanted to know if you were going to

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@monsterhelmet48 mate unfortunately it’s not , it also states that the command group have to be in the centre of the unit the only way you can keep them central is by evening distributing them either side . I would much prefer it if you could just shoot out to one side !

[@Dawiafterdark]

Have they said you don’t need to keep the command centre in it ? And is that the German wtc ?

[@Dawiafterdark]

Wild !!!

[@monsterhelmet48]

They have in fact ruled that you can move the command . Which is imo wrong. But it really allows some units to teleport and very hard for the opponent to predict what units will be caught or in other ways locked .

[@monsterhelmet48]

@@Dawiafterdark yes the wtc faq states it. We use it in my country

[@davidoliver3528]

Would the BSB not be better with the Dragonhide Banner? reroll 1s and flaming attacks has more value than 1 combat res?

[@Dawiafterdark]

I see I thought razor banner too

[@jackcrop]

I’d certainly take that with ironguts!

[@jackcrop]

Update. Tried it with my ironguts. Rolled 2’s and 3’s instead 😂

[@noobiesnacks1636]

Some great tips for me to beat em :) ! My mate plays Ogre Kingdoms....i will not be sharing this with him ;)

[@jackcrop]

😂😂😂

[@Dawiafterdark]

Hahahaha love it 😂😂😂

[@Mr._A685]

How do ogres go into tomb kings vs big infantry blocks that raise etc?

[@Dawiafterdark]

I would say actually really well due to density off attacks

[@jackcrop]

Yeah as Richy says pretty well. Especially if you can support with an ironblaster to break their ranks as well!

[@michaelf.7339]

Good one, can you share the list?

[@Dawiafterdark]

=== GT Ogre Kingdoms ironblasters [1997 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Ogre Kingdoms === ++ Characters [1000 pts] ++ Tyrant [455 pts] - Hand weapon - Light armour - General - Thundertusk - Talisman of Protection - Tenderiser - Deathcheater Slaughtermaster [335 pts] - Hand weapon - Level 4 Wizard - Spelleater Axe - Lore Familiar - Deathcheater - Battle Magic Bruiser [210 pts] - Great weapon - Light armour - Battle Standard Bearer [War Banner] - On foot - Armour of Meteoric Iron - Daemon-Slayer Scars - Deathcheater ++ Core Units [627 pts] ++ 2 Sabretusk Pack [40 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs) - Ambushers 2 Sabretusk Pack [38 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs) - Scouts 2 Sabretusk Pack [38 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs) - Scouts 2 Sabretusk Pack [38 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs) - Scouts 12 Ogre Bulls [473 pts] - Ironfists - Light armour - Look-out Gnoblar (Standard bearer) - Crusher (champion) - Standard bearer [Cannibal Totem] - Bellower (musician) ++ Special Units [370 pts] ++ Ironblaster [185 pts] - Cannon of the Sky-titans - Hand weapons Ironblaster [185 pts] - Cannon of the Sky-titans - Hand weapons --- Created with "Old World Builder" [old-world-builder.com]

[@JohnnyTightIips]

My bud gave me an ogre tyrant and I bought a 3d printed butcher semi recently, i will call them Hugh Mungus and Big Chungus when I try them on the board!

[@Dawiafterdark]

Hahaha love it haha , Mungus and chungus charging to eat the enemy haha

[@wastedxlll1192]

How to play ogres... walk nice and slowly towards my gun line... trust me

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@wastedxlll1192 come say hi to some irondrakes , they play nice I swear

[@togeb9098]

Thank you for this video but you can't have the great name deatcheater to each of your character !

[@Dawiafterdark]

@@togeb9098 what is it that’s stopping you from doing it ? Do you have a the page reference?

[@jackcrop]

Nothing in the rulebook saying so. Historically it did similar to the chaos mutations etc. but not this edition :)

[@ChaseGray-rk3sz]

I see you have a hardy bugs man bergad