How To Write A Speedster The Correct Way

[@keenanmetzger7547]

Another way that would be good to limit speedsters is to show that speed and acceleration are 2 different things. Someone can have a maximum speed of 10 times the speed of sound, but it takes them 10 minutes of accelerating to get to that speed. That way, their perception only matches how fast they are already going. This would explain how a speedster could get hit by a normal person if the speedster can't accelerate to maximum speed instantly.

[@Mrred-cb1mo]

That’s actually a good idea

[@Mrred-cb1mo]

Or you could have a sort of backward version of this in which the speedster is vulnerable to whiplash and has to slowly decelerate or just not go at certain speeds that slowly decelerating would be necessary.

[@tiagotimoteo4004]

​@@Mrred-cb1moAcceleration is just the variation in speed, so it concerns both the time it takes to go from a lower speed to a higher one and the time it takes to go from a higher speed to a lower speed.

[@GhettoJohnWick]

Funny enough, Flash already addressed that difference in the comics

[@reactga]

Just like how rengoku ran (in demon slayer) to catch the speed demon

[@mithradates]

There's an interesting example of one of these in the real world, the Australian tiger beetle. It's the fastest insect in the world but is so fast that every time it stops moving it has to pause for a few milliseconds to see just where it is. Its brain can't keep up with the speed.

[@deathxanamon7211]

That just made me think of captain kuro from one piece. He has a special move where he runs so fast he can't be seen, but his own brain can't keep up with how fast he moves, so he can't see what he's slashing with his blades.

[@DeathTheKid10]

Reminds me of "the comb" from the series "the lost room". By using it, it stops time for a few seconds but when it resumes you get very disoriented, so you have to stop before the moment of deactivation, probably something to do with feeling the earth beginning to rotate again.

[@AFguy23]

Or Sloth from Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. He has super speed, but if he misses his target, his momentum keeps him going.

[@cephon6198]

That's the chidori you're describing

[@tensaantares]

Interesting, using a real life example to basically explain that speedsters could be written to have their perception not match their speed, unlike the speedsters shown in the video...mkay.

[@Phantom-Neon]

im willing to let that dash tac example slide because knowing dash he probably has been practicing that specific prank and knew how to run to the chair and back without needing to perceive time slowly rather just did it from memory of the room

[@EazyG3]

That what I was thinking, wondering how he would run back to the chair without it making no noise. I would suspect he’d slow down time enough to place the tac and get back to his seat smoothly.but we know he ain’t do that since the camera caught the blur of him.

[@johns6014]

Except, since he's in the back of the room, if just one kid put their bag on the floor or had their legs splayed out in his path, then he's going to be crashing through the desk, potentially with a kid's leg entangled with his own. He can practice it all he wants, but he can't predict what final obstacles will be in his way. Yes, he could have looked beforehand, and that could have been a primer, but he also waited for the exact moment that the teacher was going to sit down. There's also the fact that he ran through an extensive amount of jungle later in the film. He had no way of practicing that particular course, and it was significantly more dangerous and random, and it would have required his perception to match his speed.

[@JSFofWT]

@@johns6014 He only runs as fast in the jungle as the helicopter things can fly.

[@iggytheincubus]

Adding to your point, this is effectively stated as a repeat thing based on the teacher's testimony so it makes sense that Dash has been practicing it.

[@johns6014]

@@JSFofWT And? He was still running pretty damn fast. He was running over uneven terrain at a speed where the slightest misstep wouldn't just include clipping a tree with an armored shell, but complete catastrophe for his own body. Most people with an average perception wouldn't be able to outrun several flying vehicles that wanted to hurt them, over unfamiliar and risky terrain in a scary situation, all the while making life-or-death snap decisions repeatedly over quick succession. It would be like being on a high way going 70 mph and being expected pass a math test where you can only see the questions as you're passing them, and with less than an second to answer them. Relativity is a bitch for speedsters - that's why they're so commonly portrayed as having a heightened perception in the first place. Otherwise, you just end up mowing through people like the speedster in the Boys did with that girl in the first episode. Dash not only had to see where he was going, he had to understand what he was doing, while maintaining his own wellbeing and his footing, and making several snap decisions back to back to back where any mistake could be fatal - all while being scared and in a stressful situation where his family were likely in just as much danger - and he only survived, he handled the whole thing like a champ. It's simply illogical to think that he doesn't have a higher perception than normal.

[@SN-mf9gw]

The speedster from the anime Darker than Black was my favorite. He's able to accelerate to the point he becomes invisible, but only does it in short bursts and in a straight line in order to avoid crashing into things (likely because he becomes blind while traveling so fast). He moves really fast, but for the most part just looks like someone moving really fast as upposed to super speed. And he loses his fight because he begins to accelerate into light speed just as a bunch of water dropplets start coming from the sky, essentially becoming bullets at that speed. Constantly has to eat too. Which makes sense considering the insane amount of energy output he'd have to supply. Runs around with a bag of burgers lmao.

[@gothicbatcloud]

Russian Burger Flash!

[@LH1980XX]

Scrolled down and expected somebody to mention Goran (DTB2). He eats those burgers because it's his contract power price. Plus he complains that his muscles will hurt in the morning.

[@snaifhassnan6348]

*Darker than Black* ^🔍

[@alexprus7953]

Also one guy from Charlotte. The first time we see him he crashes into a wall lol Dude can go really fast, but in one burst, without much control. Basically as if he got launched from a cannon.

[@logan9ish]

That's a character I think about a lot when I see speedsters trip and fall or run through Rubble. when he mentioned anime that was the first to come to mind lol

[@hitman47784]

The simplest way to do it is to have the speedster be like Dash. No time travel shit just speedy

[@SeanWheeler100]

Or, you can limit the rules of time-travel. The book about Speedstress is going to have a speedster villain from future, the teenage heroine's son. At least Speedstress herself isn't going to learn to time-travel until later, but after she does, she wouldn't do that again because while speedsters could go back in time, they can't go forward in time, meaning doing that too much could have her age faster than she should. And she can't change the past, so if she's ever late, she's late. She can't go back to be on time.

[@SuperiorIronMan0]

He's a child

[@SuperiorIronMan0]

​@@SeanWheeler100 I mean wally beat death he has no limits

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@SuperiorIronMan0 I'm not talking about Wally West. I am talking about my own speedster character, Felicity Velo. Time travel rules for have been established by the chronokinetic character Clark Shadow who explains that time-travelers cannot change the past because they were already in the past. While Clark's time-manipulating powers mean he can jump back and forth between the past and future, that's not the case for speedsters who run faster than time to run in "negative time" to arrive earlier than they left, meaning it's one-way time-travel for them. Milo Velo is pissed off that he's trapped in the past with no way to go back to the future. So he does the same things history said about the speedster villain Negaspeed, because it turns out he was Negaspeed and could not do anything to change the past because it's one timeline.

[@badluck9749]

​@@SuperiorIronMan0 a truly fascinating observation 🤓

[@randomthoughtinstantiator]

About Dash and the Tack: Humans can do moves quicker than their perception under two circumstances. 1.) They reflexively react. 2.) They Pre-plan a sequence of movements. Number 2 can first be achieved by focused visualization followed by immediate implementation. Secondly, 2 can be accomplished by repetitive practice of a single skill. But these methods all have the drawback of being a single movement or a short, fluid order of movements. They can be done repeatedly, but each instance itself is short lived. Ash could have pulled off the tack prank with both flavors of strategy 2. I’d guess it was the visualization flavor though, because he was probably trying to explore his limits.

[@xiangdenghuang723]

The second explanation is exactly what a character in the anime World trigger does. The character in question was able to move super fast(not quite remember how much) so much so that her brain and reflexes wouldn't be able to keep up. So when the character attacks she does a pre planed set of motions. In a fight an opponent is able to figure it out and predicts her path to counter her. Anyways, the anime is pretty good so I recommend it.

[@nicholaskling2425]

I can also totally see Dash practicing this in an empty classroom so he can pull it off in class

[@InternetHydra]

The way his dad reacted when he found out, he sounded like he was more impressed by Dash pulling it off then just Dash being quick. Something like "you must have been BOOKING it!". Naturally they know he's a speedster already, so #2 is assumed by the character who didn't even see the footage. The real reason the scene is dumb is people assuming the teacher is crazy. They KNOW there's superhumans in the world. Logically should've been a situation where people assume the obvious superhuman is such and fed gets called in... you know like what happens with the dad soon afterward when he throws his boss through several walls.

[@stm7810]

@@InternetHydra all that government funding because of 1 blurred frame, nah, a forgotten tack on the chair is more likely. if he did school sports he'd be caught though.

[@DesignIncase]

@@InternetHydra The Supers had been in hiding for many years. Long enough that I think they are rare. Assuming there's been a speedster in that world before. In the scene that teacher is talking to the mom and the Principal. Helen knows her son did it, she's trying to keep him having powers a secret. It's the Principle that needs to be convinced and he's not going to ....do what exactly? What is going to actually do? Force the kid to reveal his powers in front of his mom? Bob assaulted a man throwing his through several walls in full view of multiple people. A tack on a chair with 0 proof isn't raising a flag. It's easier to assume a stressed out teacher who may have dropped a tack on his chair vs a speedster.

[@Ave_Christus_Rex3777]

"Oh the writing has to be inconsistent or it would be boring" People making excuses for bad writing really annoys me. Humans are infinitely creative, we find solutions to problems without needing to justify bad writing. The reason shows give us garbage is because of the people who defend the garbage

[@truthseeker7815]

"We find solutions to problems without needing to justify bad writing" What humanity are you talking about?

[@tonywilliams6294]

So many things could be used! Some things CW touched on but never completely utilized as well as the televised shows: magic the kills people moving over a set speed, time manipulation (slowing or stopping time), power dampening fields done correctly, power activation requirements, and maybe permanent physical taxation.

[@yoshi9012]

@@truthseeker7815 solutions to problems we create

[@blazingkite8983]

to be fair, you do take off some consistency and/or logic to write a story. but that's less about a character and more about a story itself. Like, especially when it comes to magical stuffs, very much specifically when it comes to magical stuffs if you do not lay one ounce of rule to how the powers work I can absolutely guarantee at least one viewer will think: but couldn't he just- and then the thoughts run across the community but then, if you take the most logical course of action to deal with a problem- then there's no story. Take avatar the last airbender for example, the show is great it's amazing, the story is fantastically well written and then you think *couldn't Aang during the final fight just- quite literally create a void of no air (thus no oxygen) around Ozai when he was in his avatar state (where he was being ruthless kid craving for the death of the opponent instead of the pacifist monk he tends to be)* creating a void isn't exactly hard I mean it's just push the air from a specific location, no more different than everything else done in the show but right, while very easy solution, not really very appealing for a final fight of a series

[@discomallard69]

"It's just a movie" is the most annoying answer I get when I try and discuss an inconsistency in writing. I mean, I don't get it, don't people understand what fictional storytelling is supposed to be on such a fundamental level? Edit: Just to elaborate a bit further, to make myself clear; a fictional story needs some internal logic, in order for the audience to be immersed, because you need to be able to build suspense, relief and stuff like that. If the audience does not understand the rules of the world they can not build their expectations of what is expected to happen, what dangers lurk and so forth. On the other hand, if they not only not understand, but positively know that there is no self consistent internal logic, immersion is broken. They are suddenly not observing a story that lives on its own, but a storyteller trying to tell them a story they conceived.

[@soundrogue4472]

0:12 I literally was writing a comment pointing out that speedsters just STOP NEEDING EVERY ABILITY UNDER THE SUN! The issue is Speedsters have TOO MANY powers! More than just Super Speed!

[@Django_Palstra]

Well that is what you get though you would unluck almost every single superpower ever by just mastering superspeed the problem is that this would make the speedster to OP in the story's that is why speedsters are nerfed 98% of the time so that they can add a story to it that would make the speedster seem weak at first but in reality if a speedster mastered it's superspeed would it easily be able to destroy characters like superman, Omniman, goku etc my point is a realistic speedster would be on the level of the gods when it comes to power scaling heck the speedster could possibly even defeat the gods if it wanted to also speedsters don't get their powers from the sun no that is part mf supermans powers source speedsters have the speedforce as power source they can use the energy of the speedforce and take it to their own advantage rather it's Blasting the villains away with lightning or speed up the already speed healing

[@soundrogue4472]

@Django_Palstra bad writers need 2 tack on more powera

[@truthseeker7815]

@@soundrogue4472, most of them are consequences of having super speed

[@soundrogue4472]

@@truthseeker7815 Okay here are some abilities you can cut from speedsters without having too many abilities. Again you can have them be given MULTIPLE abilities just not ALL of them! Cut/ nerf these abilities; 1. Unlimited agility 2. Unlimited leg strength (no running speed doesn't = good carry) 3. Unlimited endurance 4. Unlimited regeneration 5. Time travel 6. Unlimited perception 7. Unlimited stamina 8. Unlimited focus 9. Unlimited reaction time Some of these powers you could cut and make them WEAKNESSES! "oh I used my brain too much during the slow-mo reaction? My brain is overworked and starting to get foggy!" "Oh I can run faster than the speed of light but OH NO, I'M TEARING UP MY BODY!" etc, etc, etc. Again the issue isn't having these but having an unregulated amount/ absurd amount.

[@Someone_3lse]

1. I rarely see speedsters that have unlimited agility. You don’t even need agility to dodge a bullet if you move at the speed of light 2. Being a speedster requires leg strength. You wouldn’t be able to run if you had none. 3. Could be interesting probably what you were going for with leg strength. Also this does get addressed in some speedsters. Barry consumes 10k calories daily (should probably consume more but at least it was addressed). It’s mentioned once early that Cisco made an energy bar with a ridiculous amount of calories in it. 4.Regeneration is not always a part of speedsters. It depends on what their abilities affect. In Barry’s case and most of the speedsters in DC it comes from the speed force which speeds up everything about them. This includes their metabolism and healing. 5. This is just a DC speed force thing. Even with how fast Superman is he can’t time travel. 6. Speedster would naturally have really good perception or they wouldn’t be able to move at such high speeds. They have to perceive things faster or they might just run into a wall. Perception doesn’t mean being able to see all around them at all times. It just means to being able to perceive what is in their line of sight. So sneaking up on a speedster is in theory possible. But they could also counteract this by constantly spinning around. But then if you don’t speed up their healing you can use dizziness as to why they can’t constantly do that 7. Now that I’m writing this I realize endurance is pointless to talk about. We care more about stamina which once again I point to needing to consume a ton of calories. 8. I like lack of focus idea. Except that it’s what they usually go to (or something similar). Flash loses fights because he forgets he can do something or he’s just being stupid. 9. This goes back to perception. If you can move at the speed of light and due to that perceive things at the speed of light your reaction time is going to be insanely high. I’d say 4, 5 and 8 are really easy to cut out. They don’t naturally come with speed. 3 and 7 can easily be addressed with by saying the speedster eats a ton of calories daily. The real issue with speedsters is that get put up against people with abilities that have no way of actually defeating a speedster yet the speedster somehow loses a fight. Give us villains that are appropriate for fighting speedsters. Reverse flash and that guy with slow force abilities are examples of abilities that would be good ways to counters speedsters. I love snarts character but his abilities just are not a good match for Barry.

[@JayBee-x2g]

I think YoYo Rodriguez was a great example of a speedster with limits from Agents of Shield. She can only use super speed in the time between her heartbeats, and once her heart beats again, she "snaps back" or retrogrades back to her starting point. The calmer she is ,the lower her heart rate, which gives her more time at superspeed, and the necessity of having to be flung back to her original spot creates some interesting and creative obstacles/advantages to how she uses her power in various situations.

[@RiverRapids11235]

she can also side-step the "time in a bottle" issue, by her still having a time limit even when time is functionally standing still. there's also probably a recharge issue, so she can't just spam it.

[@mojojojo6535]

Yes

[@JayBee-x2g]

@@RiverRapids11235 She can spam it to a certain extent, but she will get fatigued and she has to plan what she wants to accomplish and how to go about to prevent a potential disaster when she snaps back. Plus the stress and exertion increases her heart rate which would limit her time more and more each instance if she were to try to use it back to back, so she learns other combat skills in order to avoid relying on it as her only option.

[@CS-qc7np]

I like her, but I never saw her as a speedster until you brought it up. Good point.

[@alexanderikaryus3591]

Yea but doesn’t she start being able to run at super speed without the heartbeat limit later in the series

[@TheFinagle]

The trick to A good speedster (and good super hero's in general) is to have well defined rules that ALL writers are held to at all times. A list of both powers and limitations that are consistent and checked each time your character is to be used.

[@stevenscott2136]

Also the secret to good sci-fi in general, since advanced technology is basically a "superpower" of a sort. When the Enterprise was damaged, you knew Scotty would take a while to get warp drive back, so Kirk had to think of something. While when Voyager was damaged, they'd fuss about it until the last minute, then Seven would hit three keys and it would work again.

[@truthseeker7815]

Ok, but everyone understands that, the problem is when you put it on practice

[@hikarihakai1285]

Kamen Rider Kabuto I would say is a good example of that, there are many speedster in that show but their speed are from technology so they need to activate it before they become fast and there is a time limit to using it, most of the villain are also monster that move at insane speed or similar speedster and when dealing with non speedster they never have a problem beside when their power are deactivated

[@jaythelap6089]

I hate how writers create rules of their set world then forget about them. A little side step is how Antman is able to ride an ant, and how they are able to to carry a fuvking tank in their pocket

[@Mr.Heller]

​@@truthseeker7815 "Everyone understands that." - No, no they don't. You underestimate peoples desire to just "wing it".

[@RyBull]

I'm glad someone's talking about this.

[@Voidika1313]

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[@colmarek]

@@Voidika1313 Many people have.

[@evanharjanto2450]

5:00. THERE! RIGHT THERE! didnt you see? coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[@mknoobnotsaibot]

"Dont Bernie me!"

[@hoshangmerzanazar2317]

🤨

[@indigetes]

I like the explanation that in that instance dash was at his ultimate top speed, something he can only sustain in short bursts. Like a sprint combined with a prethought action you can't do spontaneously.

[@amithmanoj]

​@@indigetesdamn that makes a whole lot of sense

[@stm7810]

@@indigetes yeah, it's like how I personally can perform a 5 punch combo on someone in a second easily but could never dial in a phone number faster than 2 digits a second, some moves are just easier and mentally simpler.

[@mattymacdonald2828]

I will say, Omni Man is shown to have a fast perception and superspeed to some extent. You can see this in e8 of S1 of Invincible during the fight between Omni man and Invincible, more specifically when the part of the fight when they are in the subway. Omni man is clearly shown to perceive both marks punches as well as the world around him at a slower rate. otherwise, great video!

[@hulmhochberg8129]

To add to that, Omni man didn't outspeed red rush. He noticed a pattern in his behaviour and then deliberately exploited it. He predicted where he would attack from and grabbed there, while he was still baiting the attack. And after red rush was caught, he didn't let go of him until it was over.

[@pinkliongaming8769]

​@@hulmhochberg8129 Actually Omni-Man does let go of Red Rush during the scene after he catches him and Red Rush doesn't run away he just stands there to wait for Omni-Man to catch him again.

[@hulmhochberg8129]

@@pinkliongaming8769 that was like for 1 frame, so he can grab his head. also you can argue he pulled him to towards himself, throwing red rush off balance.

[@niceguy191]

@@hulmhochberg8129 If Red Rush is perceiving time as slowly as implied, then predicting the punch still wouldn't make a difference as he would have lots of time from his point of view to see Omni Man moving his arm and react

[@hulmhochberg8129]

@@niceguy191 if

[@recordkeepingandinformatio8206]

0:46 You're a SEASONAL SUPERHERO

[@aclosedanddiscontinuedchan124]

Goated reference

[@littledummo]

yoooo extreme ball knowledge

[@HellCromeE]

And you Your weakness is the color yellow

[@erdemb99]

i mean cmon guys she is a wo

[@beyondth3nebula]

how'd the meeting go

[@Jeffgoldblock]

Yep, perfect video that consolidates information into an easy to digest fashion. You're going places dude

[@BaysTalks05]

Thank you, that means a lot.

[@MattFreemanPhD]

Worm has a bunch of fun solutions to this. Velocity can move super speed but his mass decreases in proportion to his speed, so his punches get weaker the faster he goes. Battery has to charge up her speed and can only go fast in bursts. Chuckles has super-speed movement and perception but can’t ever turn it off, meaning the world always appears to be moving incredibly slowly to him, so he went completely insane. Legend’s brain shuts down more the faster he goes; he could go the speed of light but he would be insensate.

[@flarpo11]

One of my favourites is the protagonist of a show called Chivalry of a Failed Knight (it's like a six outta ten show, not amazing, but it's a fun time), who can essentially expend all of his stamina for the day over a desired period of time. Like, he can move a hundred times faster for sixty seconds, and then he's done for the day, or a thousand times faster for six seconds, so on and so forth. At one point, he burns all of the energy in his body in like one millisecond to beat an electromagnetically augmented draw-slash, and he succeeds, but it ruptures the blood vessels in his eyes and tears most of the muscles in his body because there's only so hard you can go before you exceed the structural integrity of your limbs.

[@3chodraco]

In the comics, I think Flash once explained that while yes, he can perceive things at super-speed, it would be like running all the way, so he just tunes out and sorta goes on automatic, and that is why he is sometimes caught in dumb ways

[@antiloser-NFS]

Yeah, this explanation could have been used in the show. It makes sense because at his perception it would feel like he is walking at normal speed everywhere which would take him "hours" in his timeframe. Having him tune out to make the trips less tedious for himself would make sense.

[@christaylor9095]

​@antiloser-NFS except that these are literal life and death situations, so not paying attention because it's boring is the dumbest way to die.

[@lividlife213]

​@@christaylor9095 if he didn't suck so much maybe he could do it. But mr beat up every 2 seconds. Yeah. He shouldn't

[@alphanumeric6582]

Wouldn't make sense for him to do that in a dangerous situation

[@antiloser-NFS]

@@christaylor9095 Yes, which is why it would work. It could be a character flaw. They even set it up good but didn't follow through with it. For example in one of the crossover episodes Olivier teaches him a lesson about being observant. When you are driving a car on a long drive are you paying attention 100% of the time or do you sometimes go on auto pilot? Its dangerous to not pay attention, but we all do it.

[@skeletor7144]

4:34 keep in mind that omni man is a super experience viltrumite soldier, so he's got a lot of experience fighting, and red rush in this scene was doing the same thing over and over again, hitting him not even enough to even disorient him. If he was trading blows i would definitely agree but heightened perception, experience and an strength gap red rushes speed can't cover means omniman only had to get lucky once and catch that fly.

[@MajinVegito100]

Battle iq doesn’t make up for an enemy perceiving time at different rate than you

[@daanvanrijn4117]

​@@MajinVegito100 Omni man felt red rush punching him a few times, so he waited untill he felt another hit so he knew where to grab. That's how he caught the arm of red rush. Notice how Omni man grabs Red Rush áfter Red rush hits him? It wasn't about perception, that was simply Omni man's reaction time.

[@MajinVegito100]

@@daanvanrijn4117 lol reaction time

[@lukefarrell1453]

@@MajinVegito100 omniman is also a speedster just not to the same extent

[@MajinVegito100]

@ that’s not the argument tho. Its not a question of omni man’s speed. He’s fast but red rush perceives time differently. All OP speedsters experience some kind of time dilation. They should be able to perception blitz people who are just normal fast.

[@denzeltaylor9336]

5:22 ha get it? Running! Out of ideas! 😂

[@brandonkite4414]

Cheetu from HxH is a great example of a Speedster done right. He's cocky, arrogant, and very fast, but against experienced hunters like Morel and Knuckle he was very predictable. Morel also neutralized him by rendering his speed almost useless in their fight (the Tag hatsu). Cheetu's weakness was his inexperience and stupidity. Killua is also technically a Speedster. His limit is that once his aura is gone, he needs to recharge before he can fight again. He also did no damage to Youpi.

[@addictionsucks8848]

I think Dash's perception abilities work mainly because I think he has to lock in to use it but not necessarily use it everytime he runs. For instance when he's running on water, he realizes what's happening and laughs in normal time. But at the beginning of the movie, and in certain scenes, we see him maneuver in tight areas. He may not be Barry Allen fast perception, but he doesn't have to be. In the prank scene he's only moving 30ish feet at most at a couple hundred miles an hour at least. I think that warps the perception of him being Flash fast

[@EazyG3]

I don’t even think he realizes he can prolly do that.he’ll prolly have to train his mind-and learn to do it. Like with syndrome guards , dash could’ve really dismantled them and they wouldn’t even notice.

[@pluviaaeternum]

yeah, someone did the math and in that scene he's not really that fast. but he accelerated very very quickly.

[@artemis_furrson]

1:08 Aaron Ralston from 127 hours could have watched this show nonstop without sleep while he was stuck under that rock and he still wouldn't have finished it.

[@bouboulroz]

My favorite take on speedsters is Flicker from The Fall of Doc Future. As soon as chapter 1, it's obvious that Flicker is so powerful that the idea of her being in any kind of danger, or any risk of losing, is ludicrous. Her limitations come from the fact that she basically destroys everything she interacts with if she's not careful. And if she goes too fast, she basically starts nuking everything around her, so she has to manage her speed depending on where she is.

[@ChucklesTheBeard]

Flicker's limitations are very similar to Superman's; the main concern is almost never what *can* she do, it's what *should* she do. (she's spent quite a long time thinking up solutions to the "oops, accidentally made fusion by going too fast" types of problems) As a mild example, she can out-trade the fastest high frequency traders. But she can't do that all the time (kind of a lot of world-ending threats in that universe that all need fighting), and when she stops, it causes a shock to the markets while the traders try to pick things back up. She could conceivably put out literally every structural fire on the planet. But if she did, governments would defund fire departments as a pointless waste of resources... so then what happens when she's otherwise occupied? Is it better to let a forest/unoccupied-office/single-family-home/apartment complex/school/orphanage burn to let the fire department prove their worth? Where should she draw the line? Add in a tendency to act, well, quickly, perhaps rashly (lives are at stake and every word out of someone else's mouth may be another death on her conscience; how long should she wait while other people try to help her make the best decision?), and you have an interesting character.

[@pizzaman6051]

2:36 I feel like Ben 10 us a good example of this he has overpowerd aliens but after a while the omni tric will ware off

[@princerichmanbrand]

One reason why CW’s flash doesn’t make since is in the JL cartoon series they mention that the only way for the Flash to maintain his speed is he needs to eat a lot, because he’s constantly burning energy and food helps him to keep up. This simple thing gets forgotten a lot about the Flash.

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

they address it in s1 ep 2 but then Cisco just makes him a bullshit protein bar which replenishes him but the problem is never addressed again.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

The other end to that limitation is he'd have to crap repeatedly too. Sure he could run to the toilet but how fast is his colon? He could just do it anywhere but if another speedster happened along he'd have an awkward moment avoiding eye contact while pooping in a potted plant. On three plus side he'd win the fight because they wouldn't want him touching them having not washed his hands.

[@TYKZY.BRANX._TEEK.SEE.BRANCH.]

@@TorquemadaTwist YO !! FiNALLY, SOMEONE ELSE ADDRESSEZ iT ! [NOT YELLiNG, JUZT LiKE TYPiNG iN CAPZ, BUT i AM GLAD !]

[@TYKZY.BRANX._TEEK.SEE.BRANCH.]

@@TorquemadaTwist THANKZ 4 THE LiKE, OR WHOEVER GAVE iT !

[@avrilfan0521]

Yeah the John Wesley Shipp Flash ate like 100 pizzas an episode.

[@ezragilliam9647]

Makkari from "the eternals" IMO is the best depiction of a speedster!

[@ian3166]

4:30 We are shown that Omni Man is somewhat of a speedster in this fight. As red rush punches him in vain as he's kiled, we are shown what Omni Man is perceiving. Red Rush is still fast to him, but catchable for a viltrimite.

[@fbi-sama9052]

Something to note is Metroman's "after effect" when he moves fast. He isn't just leaving a frame of him, he is leaving a color of the light. He is moving faster than the light spectrum. That, or he just has a nice unique after effect.

[@IncrediGeorge]

Barry lost to a villain on a wheelchair. A freaking wheelchair

[@justv7536]

The thing about Red Rush is that he was victim to Newton's third law and could change his direction fast enough despite knowing Omniman was reaching for him incredibly fast. You actually see this during all of his scenes, before he makes a large change of direction he comes to a stop for a moment.

[@MyAramil]

To be fair, Red Rush did not seem like a combatant to me. He never had to deal with anyone who can touch him let alone grapple him. So he knew how to throw a punch but not much else.

[@bloodoftheunicorns2621]

Honestly, you could do a whole series on how every single superpower is depicted incorrectly.

[@ChaoticGoodGoose-sh2tw]

3:19 i havent seen the boys, but clearly bro missed that on purpose 😂

[@gliizee]

he literally just stopped in front of The Deep and threw a normal supe punch. We see right after that he just blitzes him with punches in super speed.

[@chukwudalunwokike667]

Bro i just have to say you are honestly one if the fastest growing small scale KZbinrs I've seen in real time... Just 1 month ago when i first subscribed you were at only 700 and Everytime i come back to watch your videos you've already doubled x3... I mean how tf are you already getting bear 10k subs man... Huge W on your part. Keep putting out this great content

[@BaysTalks05]

Thank you, and ya it's absolutely insane and I'm super grateful for everything.

[@mootroomoo]

A video around 5 minutes is oddly refreshing. Subbed

[@twistedstrength.]

The only show that consistently showed the power and potential of superspeed was Smallville. It was the main power Clark used throughout the series and it's importance was always very clear. Was very impressed with that show in general.

[@DudeSoWin]

Omni Man vs Red Rush: no room to accelerate, tear gas, wet floor, and his punches slowed him down.

[@MakusDaCh742]

I swear, bro has some serious beef with CW Flash

[@attila0323]

I mean, I really liked the first season, even 2 and 3 was good, but it really had these moments where Barry could just solve everything in a second and the episode would be over.

[@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee9531]

The show sucks

[@TorquemadaTwist]

Yeah, he's firing some shots but Flash can't seem to dodge them.

[@stevenscott2136]

CW Flash would be a great name for a rapper, though.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

@@stevenscott2136 Twista would be outclassed

[@reinierkwint9419]

Another great speedster that uses multiple limitations and drawbacks you mentioned is Okarun feom Dandadan. He can only go 100km/h, has a hear limit on how many times he can go all out, can't turn sharp corners (espexially when he's carring something, and as far as we know doesn't have slowmotion perception.

[@DaniG._.German]

The fact it took Arrowverse Barry more than one day, more than an hour to capture a criminal was ridiculous.

[@Soundwave1900]

Most of the time, yes. I can buy he had problems catching a dude made of magma coz he doesn't want to burn, or the normal dude who stays anonymous and plants bombs at random places.

[@Merilirem]

@@Soundwave1900 Yeah its absolutely fine if he can't touch a villain, doesn't have the physical power to move him or simply has no idea where he is. That's a puzzle. He should be figuring it out using super speed but its fine that he can't even with hours of time to think it over. I mean even if you run about looking through everyones closets you might not find someone whose anonymous. Might not even be in the city and that is a lot of energy to burn looking. Its just the times when they are literally just a dude in front of him that things get stupid.

[@Soundwave1900]

@@Merilirem exactly. And when those people just turn around the corner and he instantly says he’s lost them lol

[@JacksonFromRadix]

I’d love to see a speedster that has to completely obey inertia. No instant stop, and they have to turn wide if they’re running very fast. I feel like even with super perception this would solve the op issue. Imagine a speedster barreling towards something they don’t want to hit, but not having the strength or time to reduce their velocity, so they have to watch in slow motion as they fumble/crash

[@andeolevain]

I like the idea. Someone like that wouldn't be able to run that fast, because running really fast recquires a crazy acceleration applied to your legs at every step. So they likely wouldn't really run faster than a regular human elite sprinter. After all, mental speed is already not the main limiting facter for a trained sprinter, except for 0.2 seconds on the starting line. Still, super-speed perception alone would already be pretty OP. The closest I can think of are Spiderman and Jedis, but it's not fully explicit and consistent. That, and manga characters having a full existential crisis in-between two punches, but that's a different story.

[@andrewgreeb916]

Right, that would also mean they need to go slower to save people so grabbing someone at superspeed doesn't kill them

[@cosmoframe3466]

If they obeyed inertia completely they would not be able to do anything. After all: A speedster would require nearly infinite force to move anything (even the air) since inertia is force*time, and time would be nearly zero. Which means being a speedster would be useless without both superhuman level strength and durability. Also they would suffocate, since air would not be able to move into their lungs fast enough. Cyborg 009 did a single episode where they obey inertia partially way back in the 70s, and it was pretty awesome. But still unrealistic and not something you can work with for more than one (even if very memorable) short story-line.

[@thesoniczone11]

The real problem with speedsters is that it seems like a lot of people don't actually want the speedster to have super speed in the first place, but at the same time thinking super speed is the coolest power ever. Super Speed is SUPER SPEED. Being so fast that you can perceive time and move within attoseconds... is just what "super speed" inherently means. Speed is supposed to be cool and fun, so just let the speedster be cool and fun. Write the character to be FAST and commit to it. Give 'em stakes and obstacles that match up to that level of speed. Don't put a speed-focused character against a challenge that would be automatically overcome by that speed, unless him dominating it with his speed is the intention for "coolness".

[@kalebgraffis5838]

Great vid. I also like when speedsters take momentum into account so they dont act like they weigh nothing. They get affected by slippery surfaces more and can be predictably intercepted

[@quwae3846]

Omni man is a speedster since Mark is too it's shown in the one scene where amber and he are about to do the dirty and he switches of the lights at super speed wich means its a voltrumite ability

[@quwae3846]

Somewhere in season 2

[@stevenscott2136]

Apparently, bad taste in women is also a Viltrumite trait.

[@davidprince6877]

We even see his eyes tracking Red Rush in the scene where he kills him. Because he baits Red Rush into a pattern he's able to use his worse superspeed to catch him. If Red Rush had stayed on defense they all would have lived, but Omni man is just fast enough to catch him if he gets an advantage.

[@lemiru]

​@@stevenscott2136 you can blame that one on the show writers. In the comics Amber is a completely different character

[@duncanchillake8024]

​@@stevenscott2136 Debbie does not deserve this slander

[@hikarihakai1285]

A really good speedster to writing for me is in Kamen Rider Kabuto Kamen Rider being basically the uncle of Power Ranger as a series as it been running since 1971 But back to main point what make speedster in Kabuto good in specific for me is the fact they need to touch an actual switch to activate their speed and there is a time limit to it so they cannot just be fast all the time, but when they are fast nothing can beat them beside other speedster What more interesting though is their speed is from acceleration of their personal time rather than actual speed boost so them perceiving the world slowly make sense

[@stcredzero]

There is away to make speedsters less powerful without diminishing their awesomeness. Require limits to ramping the speed of their reaction time and perception. This allows them to be defeated by non speedsters, but if they can overcome the limitation, they can still pull off the same overpowered feats. This requires them to plan initial moves without the benefit of reactions and course corrections. This is especially true for heroes, since they cannot cause collateral damage or casualties.

[@allisonkuechlesilva3332]

Probably the best fictional speedster I've ever seen is Secondhand from Ward (sequel to the webnovel Worm). He could stop time, but when he did he had to physically push his way through air that was thicker than water to him, and had to carry all kinds of equipment just to breathe. And he still managed to be really really scary and take out several heroes with planted bombs before the physical exhaustion of just moving took him out of the fight.

[@Supernoob496s]

I genuinely love these kind of videos, because I'm on the 6 season in DC Barry and it makes me mad how he mf loses, so i genuinely love these, so thanks for the new vid I was waiting thats not a joke( edit is after i watched the vid) i actually love this vid since you do go over hoa they should have draw backs,and how they should be defeated in a good way, and i like the dash topic it was good, but the A-train one really caught my attention

[@BaysTalks05]

Thank you I appreciate the support

[@DeadLock07.]

Dude im actually invested in your vids its so chill, keep it up dawg ill be needing more vids to watch while eating 🙏🏻🔥

[@Yuseigo]

3:50 sometimes if the writers are actually trying, flash only perceives things as if it's frozen when he's focused. Other cannons try to say everything is always is slow motion which is insane.

[@satoshimayo4242]

I mean flash was shown in several occasions that he’s able to feel a bullet touch the back of his neck and instantly switching into speed mode to catch it. For that he would have to be in speed mode all the time.

[@emulationemperor8924]

An anime called World Trigger had a great use of super speed. The person using it had to effectively preprogram in their own movements. So the speed could only be used in short bursts, and if you anticipated how they were going to move, they couldn't react to change their pattern. It perfectly solves the issue that CW Flash and Red Rush had where people could react to where they were going to be, despite both of those characters ostensibly being able to react faster than anyone should be able to. I'm also a fan of Super Speed needing to be something that is activated, as opposed to it just constantly being active. That way speedsters wouldn't be living in an agonizingly slow hell all of the time, as well as having it make sense for them to get surprised once in a while.

[@rovenroyce]

If writers want to create untouchable speedsters like The Flash or Quicksilver, they also need to come up with clever ways to neutralize them that make sense. It’s not enough to have them lose through random plot armor or implausible scenarios. Think about strategies that counteract speed and reaction time like taking them out while they’re asleep, sneaking up from behind, blinding them, or using traps they can’t outrun. Even drugging them could work, though their superfast metabolisms might complicate that. The point is to challenge their godlike powers in ways that feel logical and satisfying, rather than breaking the rules of their powers.

[@vaiyt]

The justice league actually used a drug + trap combination on Zoom once, it was pretty cool! (The trap was Plastic Man disguised as a room)

[@MyAramil]

Clear line or hard to see line across a path you either know they go down or bait them to go down pair that with something that makes it so they cannot move like oil or other slick material. There have been plenty of people who ride on trails and then come across a line along the path.

[@sailor5853]

That's why the boys was peak. That's exactly how they deal with supes

[@EskChan19]

Yeah though those also depend on how they are written. For example comics Flash would be immune to people surprising him from behind because he is just too fast. Literally. They once had a sniper shoot at Barry and Barry felt the bullet make contact with his skin so he just walked away before it penetrated his skin.

[@XMysticHerox]

Or just have them as unbeatable characters. You can make just about anything work. Just need to actually make it work in the story.

[@Krane5328]

This is why I like Koro sensei from assassination classroom. Hes consistently stated to move and percieve at mach 20, he is consistently written as op in all sorts of situations, his limiting factor is that because he can he will go on overseas trips all the time, making him at least an hour away from where all the action is.

[@nustyduts2532]

One of the better speedsters I've seen is Brianna from Michael Grant's "Gone" book series. She can run at hundred of miles per hour but when she does she basically uses all the nutrition she has, and also her shoes get destroyed constantly. But both of these issues are seemingly forgotten in the later books, she runs around with no issue, even when she is literally starving. At the very least when she finally loses it's to another speedster.

[@stm7810]

actually it's not all her nutrition, it's the amount needed to do the same thing at walking speed, though the blisters remain very much a thing, and she's constantly hunting for birds. also her super speed isn't higher speed conscious thought, and is only at about 40x the human norm with about the speed of sound.

[@ecnivs]

Flash plot: "I can't run that fast" *Runs that fast*

[@dard1515]

A personal favorite speedster is from Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn series. Steelpushers are able to store their speed in something called a metalmind, which has to be made out of steel. They can store an amount proportional to the amount of steel they have on their body, and they can only draw their speed out when it's still touching them. Steelpushers can only draw from their own metalminds. And the best part, when the steelpusher stores speed, they're that much slower. But you can also draw it out as fast as you want. They do not have faster perception, and they do have to worry about friction, which is another thing that's not often addressed with speedsters.. So if you were a steelpusher and decided to be half speed for an hour, you can be double speed for an hour later. Or half an hour and quadruple speed. Or 15 minutes at 8x speed, and so on.

[@ILikeWafflz]

Hey I've Sanderson's books too, I enjoyed them a lot. I've noticed books tend to do a lot better with that kind of stuff; which does make sense. They tend to be written by one author who can sit and overthink things rather than a team of people who also have to spend time on setting up scenes, getting actors together, shooting scenes, editing all the shots, and who knows what else. Plus, ideas having to go from person to person inevitably results in oversights. This is why I prefer books in general. When I read a book, I get the impression that there was much more depth of thought involved in its creation, and I can appreciate that as I read it. This isn't an attack on film though, I understand these traits are a largely inherent side effect of the differences in mediums. Also before anyone goes after me I know there are films/shows where the writers did very well with consistency and books were the author contradicted themselves. This comment is about the mediums having an influence on outcomes, not one medium strictly being better than the other. But books _are_ better

[@cheddargt]

Sometimes I think Flash is just the writers running from getting canceled

[@cellulanus]

4:50 Not really. Since this is a pre-planned move fast perception isn't needed. Think of how someone can do something without paying attention based on pure muscle memory.

[@stm7810]

yeah, type your name right now, it will be fast you won't see yourself doing it.

[@timz5106]

I love your train of logic on both the good and bad speedsters. Keep this up!

[@bryan418]

I hope both DC and Marvel studios both see this

[@hoonhur5681]

I once had a concept for a speedster, essentially his reaction time is reactive to two factors, his speed and the danger he is in. The faster he moves, the faster he can react to things up until it reaches a certain point where he sees things in slo mo. He can never really be caught off guard by a gun since his reaction speed increases when he is in danger. Of course then comes his speed, he can move faster than a human. But within his biological limits. If he attempts to move faster than his body can handle it. It will rip it apart or cause it to burn in certain areas due to friction. His limiting factor was his durability.

[@nyamakeyeholman1766]

Dash runs on water 💀 I think you’re SEVERLY underestimating how fast a human foot of such a small size needs to be traveling before that becomes feasible.

[@wallsingtails22nd]

bro have you ever heard of a basilisk lizard, western grebe, water strider, pgymy gecko, etc im pretty sure you can run on water under 100mph

[@keplermine]

Not really, a human wouldn't even need to accelerate to 100mph to do such things.

[@SonOfTheNorthe]

When I was younger and weighed a lot less, I could take a couple of steps running on water. I had to run in a curve though. If you were superhumanly faster, I could see it being possible.

[@stm7810]

34m/s to run on water, 100 on unstable water like that, or 1/3 sound speed Dash is very consistently the 400km/h guy, or since he's an American from the 50s 200 miles/hour.

[@XMysticHerox]

To run on water you "just" need to generate enough thrust to make up for your own weight and then some more to actually move. Eg push a certain amount of water every second. For an adult of average weight that "only" needs around 80 kph. Significantly easier for a child too. Note that this would need some super strength/stamina as well though since you need to basically kick the water hard as you go. But you'd assume someone capable of going that fast has that.

[@coffeebot3000]

I'm loving these speedster videos. They are such interesting and unique characters, and are almost always relegated to the side-character spot. Favorite speedster scene is the one from Xmen where Quicksilver puts on the headphones and runs around the room. I love the idea that the headphones play are clearly playing the entire song in a split second. (Is it even possible to do that?) Fun anyways.

[@MyAramil]

Yes it is possible to do that. anyone else would hear an ear splitting sound for a split second.

[@waly-pt5gx]

Another thing about a train is that i think around the time he was practicing for a raxe between another speedster in the show they mention him needing to eat like 20,000 calories a day or something to sustain himself for all the calories he burns which explains why he got fat in the show once his heart problems stopped him from running and burning those calories

[@theworldsgreatestjidiot9667]

An explanation video under 15 minutes long that I can also understand!? You, sir, are amazing.

[@BaysTalks05]

Thank you

[@fatehimself_]

0:27 Why did bro flash me😭. see what I did there?........

[@Oneiros0629]

No one is laughing you should feel bad

[@fatehimself_]

@ your mom right here beside me in bed saying not to worry about you lil bro.

[@footballphantom3000]

@@fatehimself_ you ain’t helping ur case dawg

[@kosipisakii]

Me watching basically the same video about speedsters but with different voice for the 10th time: Interesting 🗿

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

As an ongoing writer of whom many characters are absurdly fast, the main two ways I present ''realistic'' (perhaps believable is a better term) scenarios through which a very fast character can still be threatened, are through two means: 1. Restriction of their own power. I.E: Their power isn't always active, but more akin to force speed from Star Wars, something that has to be actively used. Think of it like the difference between a walk or light jog, or a full sprint. You're not usually going to do the latter, because you'll drain yourself rapidly. This applies foremost to my protagonist, who unlike some of his antagonists does tire out. He has a gas tank, a limited amount of energy to spend, and has to apply it intelligently. This prevents the question of ''Why doesn't he just use superspeed to do this or that''. There is a limit. 2. Even playing fields. The characters traveling and fighting at insane speeds don't have peers besides others that also have access to similar speeds, and I make damn sure that disparity is never broken. It has a 100% consistency throughout the story. No ''speedster'' (they're not, they're just powerhouses in general who have superspeed) in my story is ever going to be threatened by anyone even close to a human level for instance. And this actually forces me to write more creatively, expand the arsenal of potential threats. It's part of why I like it. And for a little bonus, none of my characters as I mentioned are actual speedsters. They're just incredibly powerful in general, more akin to Superman than The Flash. And the main reason why is durability. The idea of someone being absurdly fast but having basically no other powers never sat right with me, because going far past sound speed already means a human would splatter themselves. This means you'd have to invent some means through which that doesn't happen, and often times that isn't explained with speedsters, leading to insane moments of inconsistency like Fox's Quicksilver being able to run through water drops at mach 8,000, but hurting himself tripping into some grass and wood at barely surpassing human running speeds. That doesn't happen to my characters. Their speed might not be constant, but the rest of them is. A normal knife would just snap even if you'd try to push it into their eyeball while they're asleep, because how else could they survive a run at lightspeed with their eyes open, with ''soft'' particles entering it the whole time, particles that would have continental level catastrophic damage effects if they were to collide you with at lightspeed much less more? Superspeed is an incredible ability, especially when you're at such speeds that it's comparable to meddling with time, but it *has* to be written well. 99% Of writers just don't seem to understand that superspeed isn't just an ability. It's essentially the affecting of a dimension. It's not just a buff to your overall ability. It changes the dynamics of a character and how they can move and fight. It unlocks a lot of new pathways by which a character can tackle a problem, but with those new pathways also comes the responsibility of either using them, or explaining to your audience how and why one of them or even all of them cannot be used. Self imposed limitations are the key to good writing in my opinion.

[@thundersummit4994]

Any chance I get to read this somewhere? Do you post on Royal Road or Webnovel or Novelupdates or anything?

[@stevenscott2136]

Did you consider that a speedster needs a downward force keeping him on the ground? The shove from your leg that pushes you forward ALSO pushes you UP, we're just too weak to notice that in Earth gravity. This is why fast animals change their stride as they accelerate -- because the walking stride and the running stride work differently in terms of forces and angles. But there is no stride that will keep a 200-pound man on the ground when his leg exerts a 10,000-pound force at a 45-degree angle.

[@cedricoz7086]

I had hoped I'd see Eternal's Makkari here. Her scenes are so much better than most of the other speedsters

[@BaysTalks05]

I've done a vid on her

[@Groteskfull]

That clip of them laughing at 1:01 😆😆

[@montregloe]

I like that the normal flash has his own limiter from the speed force being used by other speedsters, its such a good mechanic for the universe and they play with the concept a healthy amount in the cartoons and comics.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I think a really good adaptation of Flash is in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Flash and substance." Where he's challenged by his villains because they either catch him completely off guard or outsmart him.

[@mrbonk3139]

We both know why the most replayed part is the most replayed.

[@alexferrana3979]

Well said. Either don't make speedster OP or then, give him an OP enemies like Flash has Reverse Flash or Godspeed.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

They could make someone who siphoned the speed force so it slows Flash down. He'd be called the Suck.

[@Soundwave1900]

Doesn't have to be a speedster either.

[@gangofheroes]

​@@TorquemadaTwist Technically Captain Cold can do something similar as he has a tech that produces an absolute zero aura around him which robs objects of their momentum.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

@gangofheroes I was thinking more along the lines of Flash being stripped of plot armor. All the physics he gets to side step through the speed force would be front and center. Super speed would need a lot of distance to stop. He'd have to limit himself in close quarters or risk killing people and destroying things. It would be excruciating for him to see things at super speed but have to move slowly and carefully. The Suck would suck.

[@sangun123]

eh thats a dumb point, flashes rogues gallery while a bit goofy because of how far back his origin goes, are all great characters that have been fleshed out and are as integral to flashes character as his stint with the justice league

[@KyleAlexJohn]

There's a character in the my here academia spin-off, vigilantes, who is also a speedster. In the brief moment his powers are active he becomes untouchable. His weakness, though, is that he can't breathe when speeding, so his powers are limited by the build up of carbon in his lungs. We end up seeing an imposter arrive with a more advanced version of his power, stolen from the original hero, who is beaten by the original hero playing a recording so fast that only the imposter can here. Despite being stronger, the imposter is chased off because that brief distraction holds his attention long enough to reach the limit of his oxygen, and thus slow down. It was a fun read.

[@СинийЕгипетскийКот]

I can suggest another way to write a speedster. Weight changing inversely with the speed of movement. The heavier the object, the more energy is needed to accelerate it. It would be logical if a speedster could reduce his mass to gain more speed. But the smaller its mass, the more difficult it is to influence the surrounding world. He could even accelerate to the speed of light, but in this state he is essentially a ghost who cannot even move a paper cup. In this way, the speedster can become untouchable for those around him, but those around him also become untouchable for him.

[@jamesestrella5911]

This is like being blind when you’re invisible.

[@elescurridizo4066]

There is a character from the webnovel Worm called Velocity, and his power is exactly this, the faster he moves the less he can influence the world

[@flarpo11]

If I recall, that's similar in premise to how the biotic charge ability in Mass Effect works. The user reduces their mass to near zero, uses their full strength to leap in a direction, accelerates to insane speed because their normal human strength is being applied in full to the equivalent of an army ant, and then once at speed they increase their mass to like a hundred times its normal value and body slam their target like a linebacker fired from a railgun. Physics-based super speed is the best version of super speed.

[@Receipt]

​​@@flarpo11Yeah, Charge requires both types of the Mass Effect. Positive current through Eezo increases mass, and negative current decreases mass. 👍🏾 That's how everything in Mass Effect works btw, and it generates Dark Matter. The real story was always about dark matter 😭.

[@EskChan19]

@@jamesestrella5911 That's a good setback though. Look at LeMillion from My Hero Academia. His power is that he can become completely intangible. Everything just passes through him. But that includes light that passes through his retina and sound that passes thrugh his eardrums and even air that passes through his lungs. He learns to make it incredibly powerful anyway, but while he uses his power he can't see, hear or breath.

[@cjayden04-87]

What makes sonic funny is that in the games/canon he has instant acceleration which is why a majority of the ways he loses are to fast people or just really strong characters that he cant hurt

[@noahmessenger4109]

I think Red Rush getting caught is due to Omni man's predictive ability, he's thousands of years old, military minded all the way, and probably has fought speedsters before. Like imagine if quicksilver in the marvel movies attacked the Hulk, all Hulk would have to do is be a little predictive and he could get ahold of him, then it's over. Non of either of their punches actually would hurt who their attacking

[@Tera_GX]

I think there's still more to study on specifically Flash's case. There's decades of buildup around him, and these suggestions basically require rolling back what his identity is. So much lore establishing he's supposed to be the fastest thing possible, some odd interaction with friction so that nothing goes wrong, and exploring his top speed as competing with the speed of light and often capable of time travel. With those constraints already in place, THEN try writing a good Flash. The problem is that just baseline he's overpowered yet supposed to be a day-to-day hero facing conflicts. Newer speedsters seem to be generally better written.

[@charleswatson1578]

I think Cheetara (thundercats) was written well.

[@Strideo1]

Damn right!

[@polarbear9772]

one of my favorite speedsters is david from cyberpunk edgerunners

[@Mythicalstories7080]

Yeah 1 way to make your speedsters speed consistant is dont make them too fast from the beginning oof lol XD

[@MyAramil]

Or have levels to it. kinda like in the hellsing anime where alucard has a majority of his strength and abilities locked away. Perhaps it does something to his body and if they use to much of the higher levels it risks death like rock Lee in Naruto and the gates,

[@justaconfusednerd4300]

There’s a simple explanation for Dash doing the thumbtack prank; his perception speeds up at the same time as his movement

[@avrilfan0521]

Watched a Sonic video where the guy pointed out that Sonic dosnt travel at his top speed because the resulting wind would create a Sonic boom that would trash the neighborhood. Maybe bring that up in shows like the Flash where the priority is protecting the town or in the villains case targeting Barry.

[@wallsingtails22nd]

what was the sonic video can you send me a link to it

[@avrilfan0521]

@wallsingtails22nd just went looking for it but can't find it comments suggest Loggstin & Gnoggin took it down.

[@wallsingtails22nd]

@@avrilfan0521 welp it did sound cool i understand thank you for trying tho

[@stm7810]

it's the 1 by lockstin if people are curious.

[@HansPeterSchmidt-se8rt]

I'm not sure if he's technically a speedster, but Ken Takakura from Dan Da Dan is pretty balanced in my opinion. In the first few episodes it's shown that he can only transform if Momo kept Turbo Granny in check, and even when he gets to fully control his powers he can only go all out 2-3 times before he has to take a break.

[@millasboo]

4:43 It is perception wise it is & we actually know viltrumites are speedsters and can run & do actions fast without flying look at both Mark and Omniman in s1/2 They throw a ball across the entire globe and very easily catch it as it’s going a fraction of the speed of light

[@XMysticHerox]

Velocity from Worm has a neat drawback no covered here. He can go super fast but the faster he goes the less he can affect reality. So he is basically untouchable but the moment he wants to say throw a punch he has to slow down and becomes vulnerable.

[@TheUnseenPath]

They may not have super speed, but wind moves pretty fast. So it is lightning and ice can make him sleep but I suppose he’s faster than a trigger pull.

[@Opdudall]

Meanwhile sonic objectively being the most consistent inconsistent speedster ever

[@scientist368]

meanwhile one punch man characters constantly having their feats matter and not losing randomly by idiotic writing always becoming faster and act like thet get faster

[@Nyghtking]

They did that perception thing in one of the flash comics, he could boost his perception to light speed, and he almost got killed once because while he was thinking at light speed he wasn't paying attention to the world around him and almost got shot. Basically it was a thing he had to choose to use and not something that was on all the time.

[@EskChan19]

Yeah but in another comic it was always on to the point that a sniper tried to shoot him in the head and couldn't because even while just buying a coffee Barry felt the bullet make contact with his skin and had enough time to just walk away before it penetrated deep enough to draw blood.

[@jamby01]

4:48 I feel like this could be explained by him constantly using his speed to be a menace. He’s not fully used to it, but is at least partially accustomed to doing things at high speeds. Something simple like putting a tack down shouldn’t be too hard for him in that case.

[@EazyG3]

One thing I would ask if dash can perceive time slow like flash and metro man

[@jamby01]

@ definitely can’t. Bro runs into stuff constantly, and we see from his perspective a few times. He doesn’t even know he can run on water at first

[@EazyG3]

Yea like with the tac scene ion think the camera would’ve caught the blur of him if he’d just slow down time enough to place the tac and then walk back to his seat an let time go back to regular speed in his mind

[@stm7810]

@@EazyG3 he has super speed not chronokinesis, for him that was like when you catch a mug before seeing it falls, or dial in a number on a phone faster than you read, the tack trick was probably weeks of practicing the rote motions.

[@KingSpeedNinja]

Awesome! I had been wanting someone to speak on the Flash series. Could you do part 2 involving physics for Speedster? Like Speedster would require proper friction to run on surface. Moving people from place to place might damage their bodies (like scenes by quick silver, etc.). Sound could not be heard. Light falling on objects. They could introduce something like speedsters have chakra nature to they can stick to surfaces, whether it be air or water.

[@ivanamparano9186]

4:35 i saw it pointed out to me that he doesnt catch the punch as its about to hit but on the pull back and didnt perceive it before it happened but after

[@daanvanrijn4117]

Exactly. Makes perfect sense if you actually pay attention lol

[@elliemercury1400]

awesome video in under 6 minutes. nice change of pace from all the 1+ hour slop content videos all over youtube. great job man

[@BaysTalks05]

Thank you

[@drex1239]

I absolutely disagree with the cryptonite one. See what happens to superman. All because of cryptonite all of a sudden any character can beat him.

[@blaketempest6696]

3:19 i think he somehow appreciate The Deep so he wasn't try to kill him

[@vyseasundr4285]

Joe Shimamura from Cyborg 009 is a character whose speed is well-written(most of the time). If he overuses his Accelerator, his body CAN and WILL burn out, creating dangerous situations. If it wasn't for his squad covering his weaknesses, the anime would've been a LOT shorter.

[@OmegaKyo_x2]

The episode where his accelerator was changed was a great showcase of his limitations and how he works around it.

[@robertommb]

2:33 perfect 👏👏👏 Got used to it in the comics and tv show but its aways a great surprise when I see it being used somewhere else 😂

[@foreignfortune5597]

Do spiderman … he is so inconsistent… and with such strength and reflexes how tf he lost to Captain America …

[@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee9531]

He loses because Captain America is the best HurDurrr! Marvel is so BS

[@jamby01]

He doesn’t want to kill. It’s really as simple as that. Against another superhuman, it’s a lot harder to gauge how hard you can hit before they die.

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@jamby01 Even with a no-kill rule, and especially since Captain America is another hero who wouldn't want to hurt Spidey either, how could he beat him? His Spider-Sense and reflexes would make him dodge the shield if Cap throws it, along with his punches. A super-soldier is no match for someone with the same powers but with Spider-powers and the ability to sense every move added.

[@jamby01]

@ ay I’m just spitballing here. I hate how they always do my boy dirty too.

[@stevenscott2136]

MCU Cap is a lot more powerful than comics Cap, but considering how Spidey handled Bucky in the very same movie... yeah, MCU Cap also has Batman-level plot armor.

[@YourMawMawsToy]

got rec'ed you speed video fo that chicken from eternals. Youre getting up there bucko, keep up the great work.