How To Write A Vengeful Villain

How To Write A Vengeful Villain - Kung Fu Panda

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@Gabi-dd7bq Ай бұрын

My man escaped the deepest and darkest cell from the most fortified prision in China. Defeated in a 5v1 the most fearsome and powerful warriors the Valley of Peace had. Completely destroyed his former master in a 1v1 battle after a long journey. And he STILL NEEDED Shifu’s approval and the Scroll’s powers to believe he was a real powerful warrior. That’s how little self confidence Tai Lung has. “Who denied me my destiny?” He completely believed Shifu was in charge of his destiny, and not himself.

@eljordinio7647 10 күн бұрын

I thought it was in Mongolia that he was locked up

@tic857 Ай бұрын

one of my favorite moments with him is when he finally opens the scroll and sees his reflection and says "Its empty!" in utter disbelief. Which tugged at my heart strings so much, because his sense of worth isn't self generated, as Po is, but generated by others approval. I felt it deep in my heart, because as you said, he's relatable. You try so hard, work endlessly, to fulfill the expectations and dreams of someone you care deeply for...only to come to a realization that they either dont have your back, or there is someone always better. So in the end it feels like you wasted all that time and effort, and dont see the value in yourself or even your skills.

@casperrevived3967 Ай бұрын

I never caught that, but it is a beautiful story beat. He is nothing but rage and revenge incarnate. He’s nothing of substance anymore, barely a person

@ajh22895 Ай бұрын

@@casperrevived3967 Yeah, but considering he was set up for greatness, then after having that denied by Oogway, overreacts and attacks the village. Then gets thrown into a torture prison for 20 years in conditions worse than death. And we're supposed to root for the panda who just drops in with no training and gets handed the dragon scroll in at most a week.

@foxtoons1999 Ай бұрын

Also, notice how Tai Lung says “it’s empty”, while Po says “it’s blank”. I’ve seen someone elsewhere point this out to make a point: Tai Lung sees himself as empty, while Po is a blank slate with potential. Or something along those lines.

@spectrethefox5450 Ай бұрын

He doesn't say "It's empty," he says "It's nothing!" while looking directly into his own reflection, which is even more painful.

@williswameyo5737 Ай бұрын

@@tic857 that's the difference, when Tai lung looks at the blank space in the Dragon Scroll, he sees emptyness but when Po looks at the Dragon Scroll, he sees fullness in self-confidence- that means Tai Lung worked so hard but lack to see value in himself and only thought of working his skills to be seen by someone who would eventually not have his back

@Micstro.Iink-official Ай бұрын

I remember when I was a teenager, one thing I found stupid (mainly because of a misinterpretation on my part), the fact that everyone said the reason Tai Lung was evil was because he had darkness in his heart, and I was thinking "Everyone has darkness in their heart!" But then I realized that Kingdom Hearts rules don't apply to other franchises.

@SH19922x Ай бұрын

Kingdom hearts rules definitely apply to other franchises in a way, there is only one good morality type being a hero, all that grey jedi morality bullshit is post modern nonsense, you'd never see Goku, ash ketchum, yugi moto, luffy, geralt or any hero acting like some grey bullshitter

@tarikcunningham4404 Ай бұрын

@@SH19922xGeralt is very grey in the books

@SH19922x Ай бұрын

@@tarikcunningham4404 Not really, he's inherently good and anything bad he did was not him but posessed His whole thing is about truely seeing the good in every creature even though he's gruff and stubborn

@sr.365 Ай бұрын

@@tarikcunningham4404 Gerald is more of a "lesser of two evils" type guy

@yoyomoone Ай бұрын

@@SH19922x Didn't Yugi like regularly banish people to the shadow realm

@jacklansdale77 Ай бұрын

Tai Lung wanted to be the best; Po wanted to be his best. Like their origin, like their fathers, and like their desire to learn kung fu, Tai Lung and Po mirror each other. That's why Kung Fu Panda is peak animated media, it's not black and white but shades of grey.

@vidmuncher Ай бұрын

The best part is that when Po gets ready to leave, Shifu gets to see he's made the same mistake again (this time, contextualized in a way that makes it exceedingly easy to see and hard to ignore) - he was too busy trying to push people to be what he wanted them to be (in Po's case: gone) instead of helping them to be the best people they could (something that could actually create a great dragon warrior)

@emilyrln Ай бұрын

Brilliantly said! You highlight the first goal's flaw: becoming THE best isn't something we can control. But we CAN control becoming OUR best.

@jonahulichny9874 Ай бұрын

I think you just explained why tai king wanted to learn king fu, because it’s what Sifu filled his head with dreams. Because he was raised to think of it that way, why he wanted to be the best at it.

@goddessbraxia Ай бұрын

One of my favorite quotes is during Shifu and Tai Lung's fight. "Who filled my head with dreams!? Who pushed me to train until my bones cracked!? Who denied me my destiny!?". with the escalating anger in his voice, is also escalating pain, He was lead to believe he was destined for greatness, and when that greatness was at his fingertips, Shifu turned his back on him. figuratively and literally.

@Salone_FD Ай бұрын

“All I ever did, I did to make you proud! Tell me how proud you sre, Shifu! Tell me!” TELL MEEEE!!!” gets me every time.

@totallytravicious Ай бұрын

@Salone_FD when shifu replies with the "I have always been proud of you. From the first moment I've been proud of you. And it was my pride that blinded me. I loved you too much to see what I was turning you into. I'm sorry." That look Tai lung gives right after says EVERYTHING. He never thought he would actually hear those words leave shifus mouth and he IS moved by it but he's gone way too far and it's just too late in his eyes to turn around. And so he doubles down and convinces himself he's right and that making shifu see things the way he did wasn't actually what he wanted anymore, it didn't really matter. I've always said this movie is about shifu and Tai lung even tho po is the protagonist. Like the og karate kid.

@mr.burn-out6553 Ай бұрын

@@totallytravicious To be honest there was not much incentive for Tai Lung to change, being stuck in a miserable place while being seemingly tortured frequently by his warden only made him simmer in his own anger much like how prison seems to oftenly do to people in real life.

@totallytravicious Ай бұрын

@mr.burn-out6553 oh I fully agree that warden is a complete asshole for no reason. I remember seeing someone talk about the movie and say it's so fucked up that Po is the only character capable of learning the secret of the dragon scroll bc hes the only character with a parent that actually cares about his well being and loves him no matter what and Tai lung very obviously doesn't have that as that's kinda the entire plot. Very very sad. But it's just nice to see that he's still... well ig not human, but they made him very real and grounded.

@stanpines9011 Ай бұрын

Ah yes the familiar gifted child to mentally ill adult pipeline

@Wialyatedris Ай бұрын

If Shifu had stayed with Tai Lung that day, told him that: "I am proud of you. I don't care about any scrolls or titles. You have done so much, and to me you have always been a dragon warrior and always will be." and then hugged him, then so many terrible consequences would not have happened. However, Shifu always preferred Oogway, even to his most beloved Tai Lung.

@andre_601 Ай бұрын

Mr Ping is a truly good example of what a true father can and should be. In the third film, he first is jealous of Po having found his true father, but now is simply happy for Po, as he now has more family. And I still remember my favourite line from the 2nd movie from him: "And from that day onwards, both my soup and life became that much more sweeter." Such a beautiful line showing his love for Po.

@Viking_B01 Ай бұрын

4:26 "One way in, One way out, One thousand guards, and One prisoner." "Yes, except that prisoner is Thai Lung." That line genuinely made me scared of him before even seeing him.

@shade5640 Ай бұрын

Tai Lung was literally named to be the "Great Dragon." His entire identity is formed around becoming the Dragon Warrior. His mentor even named him as such.

@Thegameshadow1 Ай бұрын

I think there should be more focus on the fact that it is Shifu's fault for making Tai Lung that way. The appeal of Tai Lung is that... We, as an audience, understand that Tai Lung did not reach this point for no reason and we sympathise with his pain and the weight of expectation - something which every single one of us experiences. Tai Lung did not want to be the dragon warrior. Tai Lung wanted for Shifu to love him. That made all the difference.

@andre_601 Ай бұрын

Not necessarely Shifu's love, but for him to be proud of him. Also, it's not just Shifu's fault alone. Yes, he pushed Tai Lung to become better and better, but he was also blinded by his own love for him as he told him during that confrontation.

@vidmuncher Ай бұрын

It's largely Shifu's fault that he got there. It's largely Tai Lung's fault he's still there.....

@papaxota4725 Ай бұрын

Kung fu panda is also about Shifu learning what it means to be a true dragon warrior. Thats why he was so dismissive with po, and couldnt understand what oogway saw in him. He didnt know that a Dragon Warrior is not only about physical strength but also mental strength. A balance of skill and peace of mind which Tai-lung lacked compared to po Shifu projected his own idealization of what a dragon warrior should be in Tai lung. And as a result Tailung became a colateral damage of Shifu flawed expectations and teaching methods. I love how kids movies used to be so thoughtful back in the days

@JayS.-mm3qr Ай бұрын

Not really. Yes we all feel for Tai Lung, but few of us become Tai Lung. Believe it or not, you are expected to nit go on a rampage and destroy cities, if you try for something, and don't get it. No it is not Shifu's fault that Tai Lung went mad. As Shifu said, he was just sorry that he didn't see what Tai Lung was becoming / what Shifu was turning him in to. Why are you not being honest about what Tai Lung wanted? You say he just wanted Shifu's love. He had it. Shifu said he was always proud, and he was sorry. Then Tai Lung said, "I don't want your apology, I want my scroll." Yes, Tai Lung just wanted the power, which is why he was rejected in the first place, and why he became villainous.

@Thegameshadow1 Ай бұрын

@@JayS.-mm3qr This implies that Tai Lung always was intrinsically self centred and hungry for power. Unless we think he was always unstable in the head - discounting someone"s nurture for their ENTIRE life is ludicrous. He should have been raised better. Imagine you are raised to believe you only have one purpose and then be expected to show maturity and understanding when that was not explicitly highlighted and engrained into you. This is ignorance. This is like saying "why didn't you know better" when no one taught you what that can be. Shifu does not get to walk scott free and to say "Tai Lung was always like this". Rubbish.

@Kalashnikov2034 Ай бұрын

I think that was Tai Lung’s test was to get rejected to understand humility which ultimately he failed because you need to acknowledge failure not as a smear but as a a stepping stone to be better

@williswameyo5737 Ай бұрын

@@Kalashnikov2034 That is true, the first steps in learning from our flaws is acknowledging our faults as a step to unlock hidden potential in yourself and learn to be humble

@SuitedFish Ай бұрын

Tai Lung. a man who was left alone, unconditionally given love by Shifu, was told that he WOULD be the dragon warrior. was told that he was destined for greatness, but when he was denied his greatness, it wasn’t upset. he was only upset when his father, the man who promised him everything didn’t even say a word in his defense. he felt abandoned, the only thing in the world that never let him down was his own power, hence why he attacked

@f145hr3831jr 6 күн бұрын

He was never explicitly told he was destined to be the Dragon Warrior, he was only told he was destined for greatness. He alone couldn't conceive of greatness as anything else than the title of Dragon Warrior.

@SuitedFish 4 күн бұрын

@ “Not your fault? Who filled my head with dreams?”. From this line we can INFER that Shifu told him he was to be the dragon warrior, which is why he believes he deserves the scroll so much. not everything has to be said. Tai Lung is a child seeking an apology

@mateusmarques8480 3 күн бұрын

@@SuitedFish Shifu does apologize, Tai Lung then say "I don't want your apologies, I want my scroll". And saying that the line "who filled my head with dreams" infers that Shifu told him he was going to be the dragon warrior is kinda dubious at best. Shifu could very well be meaning that Tai Lung would be one of the Furious Five, or simply that he would be the next great Kung Fu master after Shifu passed away/retired

@SuitedFish 3 күн бұрын

@ he realized that he had already gone too far even tho he got an apology which is why he said he didn’t want it. it was too late. And Tai Lung was already stronger than the Furious five before he got imprisoned so it’s very doubtful that he would’ve been promised that. He has such a fixation to be the dragon warrior bc he was meant to be the best. Shifu trained him and told him that he will be the best, and the best if the dragon warrior, so it only makes sense that shifu would just straight up tell him he’s mean to be the dragon warrior. It’s a movie, meaning they only have limited time, they don’t show everything because the audience is able to infer what happened. it only makes sense that he was told he would be the dragon warrior, otherwise, shifu would not have put tai lung in front of Oogway to finally see if he was told he the dragon warrior. shifu 100% would not spring a test like that on his adopted son

@KareemMendoza-o3z Ай бұрын

Some guy on tiktok said that the creators of the movie explained that oogway combined his knowledge on acupuncture and chi to create the shell prison, the needles block chi points on his body which prevent him from using his strength and there is a locking mechanism to keep them in place, a lock that we all knew he bipassed using a feather.

@JayS.-mm3qr Ай бұрын

@@KareemMendoza-o3z I don't want to read too much in to kfp. The more I learn, the more I can't help but think Oogway is an ahole. He gave Tai Lung zero guidance, and then creates a 24hr torture device. It's sick. Tai Lung didn't kill anyone, he wrecked stuff. They really dropped the ball on teaching Tai. They don't discuss how Tai Lung went to the bathroom all bound up. I guess that rhino had to clean it.

@simpleviewer1334 Ай бұрын

This is actually explained pretty well in both real life and in the movie, we see Mantis practicing acupuncture on Po after his training, which obviously is real, though a better showing of this would be pressure point combat, there are pressure points or areas with lots of nerves that are particularly sensitive (ex- the neck, the thigh, under the shoulders) that are either painful or makes you go limp, best seen when Oogway incapacitates Tai Lung or when Tai Lung beats the 5

@xavierwhitcraft1310 Ай бұрын

You definitely should break down Lord Shen and Kai as well. Kung Fu Panda villains are all very great. Kai's theme is so well done too. Shen is so terrifying. Even more so than Tai Lung I think

@yaj9349 Ай бұрын

Funny that the chameleon wasnt mentioned in ur comment

@aliciastokes9897 Ай бұрын

Wait there's a chameleon

@genio2509 Ай бұрын

What chameleon are you talking about?

@z_ahra_a Ай бұрын

honestly theres not much to talk about with kai..

@aliciastokes9897 Ай бұрын

@@z_ahra_a agree. While he wasn't deep he served well enough as a villain

@Zakinro Ай бұрын

"TELL ME SHIFU, TELL ME HOW PROUD YOU ARE!" And "Our battle will be legendary!" These lines prove Toon's point and they're also iconic

@bowserbreaker2515 Ай бұрын

What works about Tai Lung for me is that he is an understandable villain, not a "redeemable" one. We understand why he does what he does, and it is really interesting. But he isn't excused. He does awful things and shouldn't be redeemed. And yeah, he's also got a great design, is really menacing, and has one fantastic vocal performance. But I'll always love a Jack Horner-type villain.