How Toyota's New Truck Hybrid System Works | 2022 Tundra & 2023 Sequoia

For the redesign of their new trucks and truck-based SUVs, Toyota decided to design an entirely new hybrid system. The new rear wheel drive hybrid is a polar shift for Toyota which up until now has used a variant of the same hybrid system in everything from a Prius to a RWD Lexus LS. This system is completely different and oddly similar to the F-150 Hybrid.
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[@raym6415]

I love the fact that a bare bone powertrain on chassis was represented with a super informative explanation! Excellent job👏👏

[@bigdadgo]

That’s a cool demo frame! I just bought a 2024 tundra, hybrid and love it! Thank you so much for the explanation of how that hybrid actually works. It’s so much easier to understand whenever you can visualize it.

Alex. Damn!! Best video yet! Explanation of the Toyota Hybrid system. I haven't seen anyone other than you do this! You Rock!!

[@therealtinmanable]

Agreed

[@LChow-xq3xm]

Alex knows his stuff , very impressive 👏 👌

[@poet4955]

Right🙂, that's why I'm an Alex follower

[@analactica]

Except he forgot to mention the entire point of if this engine , which is to replay the V8 , 2 cylinders replaced with the electric motor , and in that case , it's actually much more efficient , yet he completely missed that point

[@DreamGiveaway]

Great job. This is awesome info and the break down of how it works is simple to understand, thank you for that.

[@VancityAnu]

Learnt a lot of new stuff today. Thanks Alex!

[@jrw366]

Alex keep them coming..EXCEPTIONAL review!!!

[@hunteranderson9465]

Modern Engineering is a complete marvel. I will forever be fascinated by how this system works. Well done Toyota.

[@sanjayb0886]

Very helpful - Thanks!

[@jrbtolentino]

This is awesome. Love seeing the raw components and getting the detailed explanation in laymen’s term.

[@larryrichardson7797]

Great video! Thanks!

[@afcgeo882]

This V6 hybrid was developed in place of V8 engines and when you calculate the savings versus a similar power V8 then you see how much more efficient it is. That really should have been mentioned. The hybrid drive replaces the extra 2 cylinders.

[@derrickleiby6261]

1000x more complex system with 10,000 more parts all to kill reliability and get an increase of 0.5mpg

[@afcgeo882]

@@derrickleiby6261 Hybrids are SIMPLER than ICE engines, not more complex. You obviously din’t grasp how any of it works.

[@keithallsop]

@@afcgeo882 - this powertrain is literally everything in the non hybrid ICE version, plus, the electric motors/inverter/battery are added. More stuff, more complex. The previous V8 ICE is simple. This twin turbo V6 ICE has fewer cyclinders but the turbo system adds a lot of extra parts. The V8's can run for a lot of miles for sure. This V6, probably very reliable because it's a Toyota, only time will tell.

[@afcgeo882]

@@keithallsop No, not more stuff - more complex. That’s not how engineering works. Batteries and electric generators aren’t complex and what they take away is the total time the engine is running, they lower the RPMs, they reduce the stresses at high loads (starting from stop, going up a hill, towing, etc.) and they eliminate the need for starters and alternators, which means the engine cranks at full power, not reduced power. All of that results in MUCH higher reliability as it greatly reduces engine and transmission wear & tear.

[@keithallsop]

@@afcgeo882 - ICE + hybrid is more stuff and more complex than ICE alone. As I said. QED. It maybe more or less reliable, justified in questioning which is better. Thankfully I only said it was more complex and only time will tell its reliability. Phew.

[@V8LC100]

Fantastic explanation thx.

[@treinamentotoyota2062]

Excellent.... Best regards from Brazil

[@user-uq7io2os3r]

Thx for interesting video👍

[@JacobTJ1]

Thank you Alex

[@BrickyardPowerMan]

Excellent video

[@hphillips7425]

Good video explained well

[@nindhayer1649]

Alex the way you explain 👌

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, I would like to take this opportunity to wish the early-adopters the best of luck with their new Tundras and Sequoias. 👍

[@afcgeo882]

How is this early adopting?

[@havok3344]

@@afcgeo882 He’s probably speaking to the fact that this is a first-year model run for the Sequoia/Tundra built on a brand new platform. More importantly-the first time either have had: a Twin Turbo V6, new hybrid system, and a 10-spd transmission.

[@afcgeo882]

@@havok3344 Maybe, but none of those things are even remotely new engineering or production items. If Ford is able to implement this in their trucks without any major issues, surely Toyota won’t have issues either. My only wish is that Toyota had implemented the hybrid drive into the base V6 engine instead of the turbo.

[@JP-pf7jz]

Excellent review

[@JF-xq6fr]

Seeing the cab removed is a sight many Tundra owners have seen or will be seeing shortly.

[@Pistolmike59]

I’ve only had my 2024 Tundra TRD PRO for a week now but I’ve been monitoring when the electric motor only seems to be utilized. I’ve noticed in Eco mode, the electric motor only mode kicks in much more frequently when you have the adaptive cruise set than it does driving it gently without cruise control. Gas mileage seems to improve too.

[@seanhepner7813]

Sweet demo piece from Toyota too!

[@maciuspierwszy7569]

Finally! No BS but technical / engineering information.

[@leemurai]

Great informative video Alex.

[@youarerightboss]

Thanks

[@BSTatonka]

How long does the battery provide power while driving on the highway speeds of 75 mph?

[@jcabrera8425]

I need the sequoia so bad!

[@terencestark8044]

So it's a mild hybrid similar to Ram's eTorque?

[@brianlee6849]

How long does it take to exhaust the battery and under normal driving conditions Will it keep up? Or does it just get exhausted when you're towing or working it hard? Thank you 👍

[@HumperMKB]

Does this use the main motor-generator to charge the battery or a separate alternator ? Is the main Motor-generator used to start the engine, or a separator starter ? Is this the arrangement of the drivetrain ? Engine - clutch - motor - torque converter - 10 speed gear box

[@afcgeo882]

This uses a motor-generator shown in the video for propulsion, charging and to crank the engine. The arrangement seems about right.

[@petero8392]

Alex, can you please explain the difference between the Tundra, Sequoia, and LX? As someone who was shopping for a new last gen LX (and gave up) I am now curious about this little family of T/L models

[@gwot]

The Sequoia is the SUV version of the Tundra. The Land Cruiser is a more luxurious, slightly smaller, more off road focused than the Sequoia, the LX is the even more luxurious version of the Land Cruiser. What is T/L model?

[@arhinussif8785]

Wow 😳

[@youmaarludwig5647]

Live in Pakistan and see all your videos....as an engineer, I feel yours are the best review on cars....

[@ormand3000]

Do you know chicken boti masala?

[@carrow2250]

48 more HP but 500lbs heavier. I wonder how much that negates the extra HP? I have a 2023 SR5

[@amyyern9507]

Holy crap, how big is this thing?!

[@gwot]

thank you! I can't tell you how many people refuse to understand the purpose of the Tundra's hybrid is NOT fuel economy focused! I tried to explain it to so many people and they keep insisting on how fuel efficient their OTHER Toyotas are. Those negative minded people are so closed minded and refuse to learn.

[@MikeMacias]

The thing is, it kind of is. To get this type of torque and power without the hybrid help, you need the V8 which gets lower fuel efficiency. It's not directly about fuel efficiency, it's more about how to best get more power and torque without killing the mpgs. Seems like a good balance

[@gwot]

@@MikeMacias of course, and I agree. But what they don't get is, it's not gonna get the MPG numbers like a Toyota crossover/car hybrid that is designed for fuel efficiency. This is designed for power, with a side bonus of better economy than a V8.

[@pohuliarist]

Does Toyota use the same hybrid power train for new GX and Land Cruiser? If not I would appreciate the same review on them. 👍🏻

[@nigelcobalt]

Cool video! Ok, so I understand this is a parallel hybrid (not like my 2023 camry hybrid), but I have a couple questions: 1). Does the motor ever shut off while driving, such as downhill or stopped at a red light? 2) Will the motor shut off when in park, idling in a parking lot waiting? Thanks!

[@brandondavis8741]

If the truck is driving down the road without the accelerator pressed the engine will shut off and when parked or idling.

[@petevincent74]

Alex, what is the expected battery life (replacement interval) for this battery?

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

Logically it should be similar to the Prius which is over 150,000 miles

[@happycamper6352]

@@AAutoBuyersGuide Prius uses a longer lasting battery type. I predict that priuses will last more miles before battery swap.

[@frankthompson3495]

If you maintain your vehicle, I believe it's 260,000 km before you need to worry but don't quote me on this

[@petevincent74]

@@happycamper6352 it comes down to application. Prius uses both Nickel Metal Hydride and Lithium Ion. The Tundra uses just Nickel Metal Hydride, which is a better battery for harsher climates. Lithium Ion has an advantage of being smaller and lighter and charging and discharging quicker - but it’s more expensive. Both are long lasting.

[@happycamper6352]

@@petevincent74 This has become an outdated comparison. New lithium vehicle batteries have become more resilient to heat and cold for both chemical reasons and external reasons involving supplemental heating/cooling. They're just about at the point where the hot/cold that it takes to affect lithium is already extreme enough to harm NiMH. Plus, in a vehicle that already has an engine, a temporary minor power reduction from temp extremes isn't as bad as the benefits of lithium are good otherwise, since the system gets the batteries in good shape shortly after you get going. Now if you're always in temp extremes, perhaps an option could be offered either way, but I could see that raise production costs.

[@Jazzzon777]

It sounds like the 48v beefy stop-start system we see from other brands. I am assuming that is not wha this is? and that this is slightly more powerful than those?

[@Sam-dq7ws]

Toyota did a great job with the 2024 Tundra Pro, a home run ! Best truck on the market but yeah it's expensive.

[@Wised1000]

Its the generally the same system as in Mercedes mild hybrid models. Just additional torque through an integrated drivetrain starter/motor.

[@Wised1000]

Sorry I answered the question in the vid, silly me.

[@gustavomercado1599]

I wasn’t expecting a mechanical fan, but good to see

[@afcgeo882]

What fan were you expecting?

[@CalebaFamily]

What I don't get is why still have the Mechanical fan for radiator instead of electric fan.

[@majerrahim]

I have yet to find some real info, for example, in what situation can we expect to deplete that battery and how long it will take to deplete? and how long it takes for that battery to recharge completely?

[@valdius85]

I hope that system will be in the new Prado. :) Alex: more videos like that please :)

[@V10PDTDI]

hi Alex i assume that there is no drive belt ? so no alternator or starter to fail including rollers and tensioners

[@afcgeo882]

Hybrid systems don’t have starters. The engines are cranked by the drive battery/generator at full RPM instead of a fraction of that crank power that a 12v battery provides. It’s one of the reasons why a hybrid battery should never be completely emptied.

[@alexphillips4325]

In this case, the engine *does* have a starter and a standard belt-driven everything, as Toyota wanted to keep them for redundancy purposes. The system will start using the 12V battery and starter after a refuel (for testing) or if it’s too cold for the hybrid system to start the engine.

[@alexphillips4325]

@@afcgeo882 Toyota has kept the starter and other accessories for redundancy purposes in this case, which i do like.

[@afcgeo882]

@@alexphillips4325 It wasn’t kept for redundancy purposes at all. This drivetrain has just one electric motor and an inverter. It was designed by Ford (yes, it’s a Ford licensed system) to have a starter for cold starts and the electric motor for running engine starts.

[@alexphillips4325]

@@afcgeo882 yes, the drivetrain has one electric motor and inverter. The drivetrain also has a standard 12v battery, starter, belt driven accessories, and basically every other system normal to non-hybrids. Also, please source your claim of this being a ford licensed system, as ford and Toyota ended their license agreement nearly a decade ago.

[@Paddleinc]

Hopefully they get all the bugs out before they launch. Our 22 Sienna hybrid has been in the shop 3 times for battery draining isssues. The solution still hasn’t been resolved fully only to disable a few features that maybe causing the problems!! Hopefully Toyota will figure out these problems soon.

[@johnky100]

Wonder if toyo went with a v8 TT...

[@XL5Master]

Does this have a traditional starter or is it belt driven like the f150 hybrid

[@gwot]

the f150 has a belt driven starter?! or are you talking about the alternator?

[@frankthompson3495]

The 2022 Toyota Tundra Hybrid doesn't have an alternator. Although it does have a traditional starter motor. It also uses the generator motor to start the gas engine.

[@channelnamehere4065]

In 5 years when the system is paid for, the hybrid will become the standard engine on the Tundra. By then, they'll have PHEV as an option. The non-hybrid V6 is just a stop-gap until then.

[@gardenst4398]

Is the 10 speed transmission from same reliable Aisin?

[@minivanman1356]

Yes. It's Toyota own personal design coming directly from Aisin. It's not related at all to the Gm or ford 10 speed auto

[@Luma_29]

Note though that it will be slightly less reliable due to the turbo.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

The most honest answer is: we don't know since it is new. However, Aisin's transmissions have been very reliable and we have no reason to predict differently at this time.

[@alanmay7929]

@@Luma_29 it will not be less reliable, the Lexus ls500 and lc500 have had this same engine and (original 10 speed )gearbox

[@morstyrannis1951]

@@Luma_29 How does a turbo charger make a transmission less reliable? Does a supercharger make it more reliable? Please provide a citation for you claim.

[@silentmajority2028]

Better mileage than my 2004 Tundra , for sure…

[@OldDood]

Funny! The important thing is that you 'still have' your 2004 Tundra!

[@frankbiz]

What an amazing setup. Only thing there is a lot that can go wrong. I love Toyota but I would wait until they get any bugs out.

[@gwot]

very true, I wouldn't buy it until at least 3 years later. But it feels good knowing this hybrid set up isn't Toyota's first rodeo like Ford's is.

[@frankbiz]

@@gwot sounds good. 👍🏻

[@Sam-dq7ws]

@@gwot Not one problem in my 2024 Pro yet, absolute pleasure to drive and the fit finish is wayyyyyy better than my 2016 Platinum.

[@gwot]

@@Sam-dq7ws 2024 is already 2 years after, any early issues would be mostly fixed at this point. But good to hear it's problem free, looking to get a 2024 myself.

[@jlwagon]

Great explanation! But, your camera person needs to stop walking around and let you do the walking while keeping you in frame.

[@Libertarian_Neighbor]

This

[@kr0936]

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[@TheEelnoraa]

Sounds like x5 45e system, right?

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

Very similar to BMW, Jeep, Land Rover, Hyundai and Ford's hybrids with a traditional automatic transmission.

[@lhunt480]

Add ice power and electric 437 hp ok, but why not 663 ft lbs torque when added? Did I miss something??

[@buddysteve5543]

Wish there were options for different size of battery packs! Would have liked to seen an option for a 4KWh or even a 6KWh hybrid battery pack. Oh well, maybe in 5 years?

[@gwot]

rumor has it that Toyota's releasing a plug in later, then a full EV.

[@duanehundley]

@@gwot in 2030?

[@frankthompson3495]

Tesla, here we come

[@djp1234]

Still can't believe that the company that made the most popular hybrid (Prius) is the last one to make hybrid trucks.

[@derekshpiel2171]

Was hoping it might be a plug in, but this video was the first thing to explain why that wouldn't have worked

[@afcgeo882]

Trucks won’t work on the Synergy Drive system. It’s too much torque for a planetary gear set to handle.

[@gwot]

last one? I only know of the F150, who else made a hybrid truck?

[@afcgeo882]

@@gwot GM made hybrids a decade ago…

[@gwot]

@@afcgeo882 um... unless in your universe GM has them, cuz mine doesn't. which GM truck has a hybrid?

[@user-lb3fs8jb1b]

Excellent video and an excellent host. They should replace him with that annoying John Davis from PBS's Motor Week show.

[@InvestBetter.]

2023 Toyota Sequoia Best in class

[@naveenthemachine]

Well looks and interior is great. But shrunken interior space and lack of IRS may be a dealbreaker

[@InvestBetter.]

@@naveenthemachine Toyota is trying to keep the vehicle garageable, and the 3rd seat is adjustable, so I don't see an interior size penalty. And if the ride is smooth, I don't need IRS, unless I'm off-roading all the time. Haven't heard anyone say it doesn't ride well

[@naveenthemachine]

@@InvestBetter. well hopefully the solid axle is a good partner. Also second row legroom has shrunk as well. The last gen sequoia was very roomy inside almost comparable to the long wheelbase SUVs from ford. The adjustable third row seat is a pleasant surprise but they could have done the same for the second row. And they should have improved the cargo space

[@Reu_ag]

I was a not happy with the hybrid mpg numbers, but that was never the mission of this hybrid system, Toyota do hybrids better than anyone if they wanted the tundra hybrid to be the most efficient truck they could have easily done it

[@afcgeo882]

The mpg numbers are STELLAR compared to the V8 it replaces, especially considering the power output is equal to a twin-scroll V8, which would typically average about 12mpg in this application. Why don’t you list off comparative engines out there, their power and fuel economy? Lets try facts for a change, shall we?

[@drive-channel1834]

I'm still wondering why Toyota didn't give Tundra their best hybrid system? i.e with MG1, MG2, Planetary Power Split Device (eCVT) (Hybrid Synergy Drive?) (5th Gen Hybrid System?). The longitudinal version, kinda like LS600h. Of course with 2-speed transfer case for the Tundra.

[@drive-channel1834]

Relatively less mechanical complexity than with that gargantuan 10-speed transmission.

[@jamesg6071]

If they would just come out with a tundra prime that has a much higher density battery and motor output they would attract more buyers. Fords 7.2kw pro power onboard is fantastic and crushed everyone else

[@allanedwards2347]

Toyota chose to go with a NiMH pack. They don’t consider Lithium to be safe or reliable enough to put in regular hybrids. Everyone with a Lithium packs has a battery swap repair coming in half the time of Nickel Metal packs.

[@aussie2uGA]

@@allanedwards2347 I still believe it’s a cost cutting measure to put this type of pack under the seat.

[@Ahmed-rh5rt]

@@allanedwards2347 they did put lithium battery in the rav4 prime?”

[@GHinWI]

@@allanedwards2347 : well, they considered Li batteries safe enough for 2016-current Prius

[@jd5179]

They might release prime version with solid state batteries - or maybe they go full EV on 2025 onwards

[@isaacalvarado8236]

Does the hybrid keep the AC going when the “start/stop” engages vs in gasoline only the fan speed decreases and air isn’t cold?

[@michalp2362]

It has an electric AC compressor which is completely independent from the engine.

[@joemontana4370]

@@michalp2362 the non-hybrid engine has an electric AC compressor?

[@michalp2362]

@@joemontana4370 no. Hybrid only. Non hybrid is a belt driven

[@afcgeo882]

Yes, all hybrids use electric air conditioners.

[@Sacapuntas69]

Two questions if anybody with hybrids can answer...... What happens when you have the heater on full blast, the battery pack sucks in hot air to cool the battery? And in hotter weather when you have a/c on, it seems that the battery will constantly be pushing out warm air into the truck. Is that enough heat to actually feel? Or is just not enough to even make a temperature difference in the cab?

[@gwot]

My current 2019 ES has the battery under the rear seat, it doesn't affect cab temperature any more or less than the 2014 non-hybrid ES I had. The nickel hydride battery has a wide temperature range -20°C to +45°C (-4°F to +113°F), the cab temperature with heater on is a good temperature for the battery, and it actually exhausts outside the car, so in cab temperature isn't effected. It's probably the same setup in the Tundra.

[@frankthompson3495]

The Hybrid battery under the seat just requires venting. It really doesn't generate that much heat. Obviously it'll get warmer during the summer season but that's when you want the vents to be clear

[@js6033]

Everyone knows the basics. But no one is able to say how long you get hybrid power for. How much regeneration you get from breaking. How quickly you deplete electric power while cruising on the highway or towing. Guessing the battery charges slowly under regular motor driving too? What's the practical daily use info that makes this real or gimmick?

[@Libertarian_Neighbor]

Every time someone stores something under their rear seat in a F-150, a Toyota engineer loses their job.

[@pd0076]

Anyone know if this hybrid system with the engine start stop will cause early turbo failures (since the engine is off, turbos do not get cooling), even the non hybrid 2022 Tundra owners manual indicates that after high speeds or towing, you have to run the engine for a minute prior to shutting off to ensure the turbos don’t fail. And yes, I know sometimes manufacturers say that in the manual to cover all basis and the engineers should know better, but….I am more worried about the durability or longevity of the turbos…that’s the only reason I would consider a Toyota and plan on driving the Tundra until it falls apart due to rust.

[@Reu_ag]

The electric water pump cools down the turbo's when the engine is off

[@pd0076]

@@Reu_ag Thanks for the information, because this is a key buying criteria for me, can you please site your source (how do you know its an electric water pump). I do not mean disrespect, just feel the need to "trust, but verify."

[@Reu_ag]

@@pd0076 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3y1nXWln5Wmbac watch this he is a certified Toyota technician, he did a total mechanical review on this new tundra,all your questions about the tundra will be answered if your still not satisfied subscribe to his channel because he does a live video every Saturday or Sunday

[@pd0076]

@@Reu_ag Thanks for the link, he covered the concern I had for this new engine (even the non-hybrid has the electric pump for the cooling system of the turbos). Now I wonder why Toyota put the need to idle the engine to protect the turbos in the owners manual for the 2022 Tundra. Am assuming its either for additional robustness, CYA move for Toyota, or an error in the manual.

[@Reu_ag]

@@pd0076 yeah probably for additional robustness

[@lampadephoria]

Why is the battery pack sitting so high? It eats the 3rd row space horrendously. If it is required to be interior air cooled, Toyota can an AC vent around it. I bet the current design makes the cabin hot.

[@whouse7]

Wonder if reliability will be there after 200k miles/ cost of ownership? I'm sticking with my 4.0 V6, I'm not sold

[@VroodenTheGreat]

Make the engine 5x more complicated to get 2mpg more. If you put your foot in it, you don't even get the additional 2mpg. Glad I got a V8 before they stopped offering them.

[@ATH_Berkshire]

As a percentage of weight this “full” hybrid is not much more powerful than a “mild” hybrid on a small crossover. To actually do something meaningful about improving MPG Toyota will need to come up with something much more impressive.

[@afcgeo882]

Yup… it’s basically a mild hybrid, except that it provides independent propulsion when a mild hybrid cannot. Toyota could have fitted a much larger Lithium battery to it, and paired it to a non-turbo version of this engine and it would have provided the needed power, but the cost would have been much higher and towing would have suffered.

[@alexphillips4325]

Hey, in comparison by percentage, a 19 city -> 24 city improvement is over 25% change, which is pretty damn good

[@afcgeo882]

@@alexphillips4325 The regular Tundra is rated at 19mpg and the hybrid at 22mpg (RWD). That’s a 15% improvement. That’s actually terrible, which is why Toyota is making a point of the hybrid being an alternative to a Diesel, with Diesel-like power, a Diesel-like torque curve, and Diesel-like fuel efficiency.

[@alexphillips4325]

@@afcgeo882 Combined, yes, I’m talking city, which is where hybrids make better improvements.

[@afcgeo882]

@@alexphillips4325 That’s called a “straw man argument”. No one drives only in the ideal city environment and the total benefit of one system over the other cannot be touted by cherry picking only one attribute. The fact is that overall, according to the EPA, the hybrid is 15% more fuel efficient. What does that look like in a non-truck? In a compact CUV that gets combined 30mpg, the hybrid would come in at 34.5mpg.

[@NengVang2007]

So if the battery dead can it still drive normal I mean battery gone bad dead.

[@happycamper6352]

You could still drive it to the service place if that's what you're asking.

[@smrtguy77777]

I would gladly give up some torque for more MPG’s in the hybrid. You just don’t need that much torque in a half ton. This should be competing with the diesels but it’s barely better than gas.

[@happycamper6352]

I really think you should consider driving a car.

[@smrtguy77777]

@@happycamper6352 550lbs of torque in a half ton is meaningless when your payload capacity is like 1700lbs! I’d much rather have a diesel and the mpgs.

[@happycamper6352]

@@smrtguy77777 When are you going to carry 1700 pounds or more in a half ton? Just tow a trailer if you need more. That said, I spent years carrying hardwood firewood in an old Toyota 4-cylinder (22-RE) pickup, and it was likely over 1700 pounds, riding the axle on the bump stops every single load, reinforcing your point, although that didn't make it a good idea. The little 116hp engine with a 5-speed tranny really had no problem at all accelerating and maintaining speed even when overloaded. You don't really need much power to carry a lot of weight on the pickup bed. The power is more for faster acceleration and towing especially on hills. To this day I still carry firewood often, but I am a minority. Most people carry light stuff with their pickups and tow when the weight gets heavy.

[@smrtguy77777]

@@happycamper6352 Yeah that’s my point, I’m happy with around 450ftlbs in a half ton. Toyota should have cut back on the power and have it average around 25mpg.

[@happycamper6352]

@@smrtguy77777 I think what you're suggesting is to keep the hybrid but reduce the power of the gas engine in the name of efficiency. The truck weight and aerodynamics would probably keep the mileage similar since the weaker system would have to work a bit harder. I can't say that for sure because it's not been tested. Ford tries to alter MPG with their 2.7 option when compared to their 3.5, but I haven't taken the time to see what the difference in MPG is, and whether or not it has a hybrid option. I know Ford has a hybrid, but I don't know if it's available with 2.7, 3.5, or both.

[@chrismv102]

At the end of the day if the mileage improvement is negligible why bother?

[@gwot]

FOR TOWING! hybrids don't only have ONE job! it's a truck! to increase over 100 ft-lbs of torque throughout the ENTIRE RPM range, that's why.

[@natelove187]

Garage System

[@888Longball]

Continually turning a turbo engine on and off is not good for it.

[@klohr311]

Sounds like all these company using it. What’s the difference between dodge(ram), ford or Chevy?

[@cam2027]

Imagine the repair cost for the TWIN TURBOS and BATTERY........ Just give me a regular V8 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾

[@williamconrad1087]

The f-150 has the TH-hybrid system. That’s Tow Hooks included.

[@happycamper6352]

This. I think this is one of the biggest wtf moments in pickup truck history, especially for the TRD Pro.

[@NengVang2007]

If the engine stopped everytimes on traffic lights the starter will gone bad so soon right?

[@kyrosmike]

I can now see why cab had to come off to fix the wastegates, they did not leave any room for maintenance.

[@james2042]

In the tundra it's not bad but in the sequoia the battery placement is awful. It ruins the cargo area and third row. Also until they come out with phev pickups I'm sticking to gas only, hybrids ain't worth it

[@afcgeo882]

It’s about a 50% mpg improvement over a similarly powered V8.

[@james2042]

@George L I mean the 5.0 gets better fuel economy than the 3.5 ecoboost and when towing forget it the 3.5 ecoboost gets the worst fuel economy of any half ton

[@afcgeo882]

@@james2042 Now compare their power outputs. Also, no. The 3.5 EcoBoost is rated for 18/24 while the 5.0 is for 16/22. The high output 3.5 EcoBoost is the one that’s rated for 16/20. The V8 is the weakest of the four, by a lot. 5.0 V8 produces 400hp and 410 lb-ft. 3.5 V6 produces 400hp and 500 lb-ft (while getting 2mpg better) 3.5 High Output V6 produces 450hp and 510 lb-ft. 3.5 Hybrid V6 produces 430hp and 570 lb-ft and averages 25mpg combined. TRY AGAIN!

[@james2042]

@George L the refreshed ecoboost with 400hp idk enough about yet. But as of the pre refresh ecoboost (370hp one) vs the 5.0 coyote. The ratings are absolute bullshit, the real world the 5.0 beats the ecoboost by about 2mpg empty and by alot under load. I would assume the new one that makes even more power is even less efficient, but I can't speak for that. The hybrid is under investigation for false mpg numbers too just like the ecoboost ranger was.

[@afcgeo882]

@@james2042 So basically you’re trying to bullshit while avoiding the most important factor: that the power of these engines is not on par, while the fuel economy is. And by the way, I ABSOLUTELY was talking about the HYBRID, non non-hybrid engine. Being under an investigation is not a conclusion that it isn’t accurate. In fact, both CARB and the EPA ended their investigations of the Ranger with no findings of wrongdoing. Come back when you wisen up, please. Maybe read some books on engineering?

[@strathound]

This is going to be a dumb question ... but with conservative driving, how far can you drive on just the battery pack alone? Also, this is not a plugin-hybrid right? So no way to charge the battery at home?

[@kingofspades531]

I’ve had my ‘23 1794 Advanced 4x4 hybrid for almost two months, coming from a ‘22 of the same (just non-hybrid) after someone slammed into me head first. The hybrid system works way closer to something like a CR-V or RAV4 hybrid than I expected; obviously the electric motor and battery capacity aren’t designed for heavy EV driving, but the engine will shut off for several minutes if driving on 45-65 mph stretches on flat or downhill grades. It can also navigate parking lots almost entirely on electric only, as well as pull out of my slightly uphill driveway. If the driving mode is switched to Tow/Haul or Sport, it behaves very differently where the engine rarely if ever shuts off, and the electric motor becomes solely a boost, even with light accelerations. So far my average mpg around town has been 21-22, which is the same economy I got with my ‘17 Accord Touring V6.

[@strathound]

@@kingofspades531 - I ended up buying a Rivian.

[@Sam-dq7ws]

@@strathound lol enjoy that ...my 24 Terra Pro is amazing ! Best truck on the market imo

[@strathound]

@@Sam-dq7ws - I have yet to sit in a vehicle that is nicer to drive than the Rivian. It is by far the best vehicle I've ever owned. I've never been in a 24 Terra Pro. But I gotta believe it can't hold a candle to 835hp.

[@Sam-dq7ws]

@@strathound Eh, riv is more mid size and junky looking, no way I would drop coin on that but hey, many people think the same of the Tundra which I've thought always looked the best of all the full-size trucks. This truck is plenty quick and I have to watch it as is, no tickets is my goal for new ride. Good thing there is choice out there still before Gov mandates we're all in a dork tesla or something.

[@jsoutdoorz7390]

I own a 17 model and checked out the 22 model and to be honest I very disappointed in knowing that the 5.7 beast of an engine was gone and this battery thing is what we have sank to. My opinion. I will keep driving mine until she goes and hopefully toyota will bring it back

[@happycamper6352]

Opinion or not, this newer system has better numbers all the way around.

[@jsoutdoorz7390]

@@happycamper6352 of what? Recalls? Record number in less than 8 months since it debuted. No thanks. 5.7 old school for reliability dependability.

[@frankthompson3495]

33 mpg with my 2022

[@cabaneencac5168]

Incredible to see all the robustness of the chassis and the mechanics of this vehicle which most of the time will only be used to move only one big ass . Can't wait for the rest of the planet to adopt this incredible mode of transport that is the pick-up .

[@happycamper6352]

The chassis is one of the few things that have been downgraded from the older model. This chassis will be shared with much smaller/weaker vehicles. Personally I have to tow or haul several times per week so I must use a pickup.

[@lawrenceralph7481]

Like the cutaway. It's a cinch to change stuck waste gates.

[@Richard-wk9le]

Completely different and oddly similar....well now for a minute I thought I listening to Car salesman.......I afraid too many people will remember their experience with NiMH Tool battery's for Toyota to win big with this one, especially considering the poor 2 MPG gain.

[@ALMX5DP]

Most people probably dont know what battery chemistry their hybrid has. Arent most standard Toyota Hybrids still utilizing nickel-metal-hydride batteries? And they're some of the best selling hybrids still.

[@legambaz]

Since Toyota insist NiMH is the best way to go, I believe it is never going to put Li-ion in their cars.

[@afcgeo882]

What are you talking about? Rav4s, Venzas, and Priuses have Li-ion batteries. Their heavier vehicles use NiMH batteries.

[@legambaz]

@@afcgeo882 Well don't ask me. That's what Alex says in this video. Ask him

[@afcgeo882]

@@legambaz No, it isn’t. Not even close. Re-watch the video.

[@happycamper6352]

It's just planned obsolescence. Many earlier adopters of NiMH have since switched to lithium, and I'd be willing to make a handsome, sizeable, and yet quite safe bet that the Tundra will hype their change to it in the future too.

[@potrilloleyva]

bullshit!! more parts, more maintenance, more expensive, dad still have a 1979 toyota pickup 159, 000 miles after the turnaround, engine never been messes with internally and it hauls over 1000 lb easily, and guess what it only needs gasoline, 15 gallons to fill up the tank and last over 10 days, and if it breaks I can fix it with a screw driver and a crescent wrench!

[@HughJashole69]

I’m trying to figure out who would buy this over the non hybrid model and who would buy that over a ram or f150. I love Toyota but going twin turbo instead of NA v8 makes me scratch my head.

[@michalp2362]

Why does it make you scratch your head? Everyone is doing it. V8 are becoming history as we speak, at least in half tons

[@James-il3tq]

CAFE fuel requirements. Thank our governments for manufacturers eliminating V8s and going with smaller turbos.

[@michalp2362]

@@James-il3tq yeah, yeah… that too for sure but there’s also a technological progression. Look, people want new and modern stuff, there’s a reason why there’s a 2 year waiting line for just about every new EV

[@happycamper6352]

They said that when we went from carburetors to fuel injection and they'll say that when we go from hybrid to EV. Technology changes over time, and improvements will be made. The only constant in life is change. Embrace it or eat the dust of those that do.

[@ktl2001]

They should have aleast put the prime battery in the Tundra and Sequoia. Much more torque and can drive longer on EV an regen with that size will put back lots of power back to the battery.

[@jimthumerzs6981]

They should have tuned it for MPG instead of greater power over the non-hybrid version. People wanted improved mileage over the last gen and Toyota took away a lot in order to give us a measly 2 MPG. While more power is nice, that's a lot of extra (expensive) hardware that might break eventually, with only minimal return on investment in the area of improved efficiency. I'm now heavily leaning towards a 3/4 ton GM. Not what I wanted, but this new Tundra succeeds only in disappointing.

[@derekshpiel2171]

Cost to maintain this will be WAY less because of the set up, so that's something to consider.

[@calholli]

If you would at least get 50 miles of E- driving only, and was plug it charging-- it would make all that stuff worth it; because for around town/ short daily trips, you could treat it strictly as an electric car and save those miles on your engine. But I don't even think it's able to do that. So yeah, there doesn't seem to be any real point is buying all those extra parts when they don't come with any discernible/ usable difference.

[@jermainec2462]

The man just explained to you that the hybrid system was for torque not for fuel efficiency I don't know why people want big ass vehicles to get good gas that just don't go together... You finished spend at least 50k on the truck anyway so what you worried about fuel economy 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@calholli]

@@jermainec2462 The point is, the engine already has enough torque. All they had to do is add a larger battery, so that it could be a "plug in" hybrid that could drive it's first 50 miles or so on electric motor alone. That would have drastically given it a better gas mileage rating overall-- and especially for day to day drivers that commute back and forth to work only 10 or 15 miles per day. Because half of the time, they could treat this thing as an electric truck and plug it in to charge every night and get virtually 70 miles per gallon while driving it in EV mode only.. The point is , it wouldn't have taken much more to accomplish this-- just a bigger battery basically. At least then the EV part of the vehicle can be used day to day to get you way ahead on fuel-- and also keep your miles low on your engine.. It's win-win. but instead-- it basically does nothing-- he said it's only like 45 extra hp. What's the point?

[@jermainec2462]

@@calholli talk to Alex autos and Toyota about that ... If you want something more efficient big pickups and SUVs arent the answer ... Whether there hybrids or EV ... You still driving a lunchbox

[@Luma_29]

This makes me wonder why even have a hybrid system for the Tundra? All this for 2 MPG and not many more ponies?

[@MARTINRIGGSS]

To say they have a hybrid tundra

[@ALMX5DP]

MPG scales in a non-linear fashion. So 2mpg here is like a 5-10mpg difference when looking at 35-45mpg vehicles.

[@James-il3tq]

10% additional fuel increase (marginal but still). More importantly on hybrid model additional 51hp and 74lb torque. Not massive but still significant.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@James-il3tq I think the hybrid has over 100 lb/ft more torque than the regular V6.

[@Luma_29]

@@ALMX5DP Thats actually a decent point. Kinda wish they went a bit further with it and tried to give it maybe 2 more MPG but with the design of the system I'm not sure what kind of sacrifices they'd have to make,

[@port443p]

Atkinson cycle is not an alternative: other Toyota hybrids may switch Otto/Atkinson on the fly.

[@americandude3825]

Honestly I just wanted you to start it and drive away Alex… BUT…Can it be tuned to be for mpg instead of torque?

[@gwot]

2:19 LISTEN to what he is saying.

[@americandude3825]

@@gwot I know all that but I don’t care about towing and torque

[@happycamper6352]

@@americandude3825 ...then drive a car or a Tacoma.

[@americandude3825]

@@happycamper6352 I have a sequoia, and two 2022 RAV4s. Lol. I think it would be nice to have a full size truck, made for mpg, and traveling with light loads instead of towing. I don’t want to tow. Don’t need to. My 2008 sequoia 5.7L has a 10,000 pound tow limit…. So if the tundra could be gears for traveling,3 etc, and an occasional Lowes trim and get 30 mpg…think how it could sell. If it was the purpose for trips, groceries, and weekends at lowes. A 30 mpg full size truck built for light duty…..ding ding ding.

[@happycamper6352]

@@americandude3825 You're describing the function of a small pickup truck. What's so wrong with smaller trucks? Is it that big of a hit to one's ego? Maverick, Tacoma, Frontier, Ranger, Colorado, Canyon, or better yet, the Santa Cruz would be great for such work. They're more comfortable than most guys would admit, great on fuel economy in real-world tests, easy to maneuver, and can still do damn near everything a full size can do. Anything that is common in the real-world that is too big for a small pickup is likely to be too big for a half ton too.