How TSMC Handled an Earthquake

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@lkkaz1
@lkkaz1 Ай бұрын
I clearly remember the 921 quake. My company did the design for Fab 6. Ten minutes after the quake stopped a TSMC manger friend called to see if I wanted to go see if my building was still standing, "Pick me up in front of my apartment in 20 minutes". Not too much damage, none of my systems but it was just a shell then.
@GodmanchesterGoblin
@GodmanchesterGoblin Ай бұрын
Thank you for the detailed coverage of how the semiconductor industry in Taiwan has adapted so that it can successfully deal with earthquakes such as the most recent in Hualien. This was first-class content. It is a measure of how well Taiwan has developed building codes and industry practices that so little disruption was caused, and so few lives were lost compared to the 1999 earthquake. Naturally, my condolences go to anyone affected by the incident.
@westrim
@westrim Ай бұрын
And unfortunately quite a contrast with Turkey, which had a similar reckoning in the same year, and also passed stronger codes, but unfortunately corruption and short term economic priorities took hold, and the vast majority of buildings either got waivers or just ignored the codes, so 60,000 died there in the 2023 double quakes.
@justdadstuff5171
@justdadstuff5171 Ай бұрын
All Asianometry content is first-class content.
@mesiroy1234
@mesiroy1234 Ай бұрын
Amrican will call soicalisem
@GodmanchesterGoblin
@GodmanchesterGoblin Ай бұрын
@mesiroy1234 This topic has nothing to do with America, and nothing to do with socialism. Anyway, many Americans don't know what socialism really is. They just apply the label to anything they see as left of their average center-right biases.
@backpackly
@backpackly Ай бұрын
Nice work on the quick turnaround!
@dennisscott6430
@dennisscott6430 Ай бұрын
Nice video. As usual. I’ve been present at two smaller US fabs that suffered squirrel attacks (squirrel across HV transformer). Fab evacuation, lost WIP, re-qualifying all the tools, and re-stabilizing the fab and stepper environmentals turn into an all-hands on deck situation.
@ntabile
@ntabile Ай бұрын
Same situation with me and my colleagues. We encountered power dips in the past. We have recovered broken tools, controllers become faulty, vacuum trips, wafer crashed etc. If only the company continously maintained and invested in back up UPS, for our tools...
@FLPhotoCatcher
@FLPhotoCatcher Ай бұрын
Squirrel attacks are the worst.
@RaymondDoerr
@RaymondDoerr Ай бұрын
the world is so small... are you talking about F15?
@dennisscott6430
@dennisscott6430 Ай бұрын
LOL! The first time was in Aloha, Oregon... summer 1999, I think. They made a competitor's fab badge for that toasted squirrel. The second was in Redondo Beach, California... probably between 2010 and 2015.
@andrewvenor8035
@andrewvenor8035 21 күн бұрын
@@ntabile I experienced a power dip in a fab where the local power company accidently dropped only one phase of the three phases on incoming power. It wasn't the phase the 110-volt tapped off of, so the lights never even flickered. It was unnerving being in the subfab when the lights stayed on, but it got very quiet when all of the tools and vacuum pumps shut down.
@MakerGrigio
@MakerGrigio Ай бұрын
The moment I heard about the earthquakes I thought of all the people, you, and TSMC. I am so glad you are OK. A lot of credit needs to go to all the people who worked to make sure buildings and infrastructure where up to improved earthquake building codes.
@jakobmax3299
@jakobmax3299 Ай бұрын
Same, after i heard that the human cost was aparently low my thoughts went straight to how the would affect semiconductor production.
@FelonyVideos
@FelonyVideos Ай бұрын
Truly amazing improvements. I remember back when production product (WIP) was repeatedly ruined when the new train came into the industrial park station, simply due to the routine seismic vibration caused by a train coming in. Well done.
@pc-sound-legacy
@pc-sound-legacy Ай бұрын
Taiwan and Japan dealing with earthquakes very well. (Remember the earthquake in turkey where hundreds of buildings collapsed)
@orka16605
@orka16605 4 күн бұрын
160 000 buildings collapsed or where sevearly damaged in Turkey.
@joeeeyyyyyy
@joeeeyyyyyy Ай бұрын
I was waiting for you to post this... when I saw the news I thought: 'asianometry will have a video out by monday that'll actually cover the details im interested in' Thank you, rip to the victims and best wishes for their families.
@H0mework
@H0mework Ай бұрын
Thanks for the quick update!
@michaeltrillium
@michaeltrillium Ай бұрын
The question of high-tech in that difficult area was answered by Japan, resource-less and prone to natural disasters, decades ago - it not only works, but thrives. Same as frozen Scandinavia, or submerged Land of the Nether. Like the oldest tree in the world sitting on a wind-swept mountain edge or entrepreneurs surviving a difficult childhood, what doesn’t kill you makes you strong.
@peekaboopeekaboo1165
@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Ай бұрын
So does the PRC ... amidst the unjust tariffs, sanctions and embargoes imposed by the U$A.
@rogink
@rogink Ай бұрын
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Likewise ROC, given all the threats and bullying of other countries not to recognise Taiwan by the PRC.
@peekaboopeekaboo1165
@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Ай бұрын
@@rogink Fake news and disinformation 🤡 PRC never threathen another country to not "recognize" ROC 🇹🇼 .
@ArtificialDjDAGX
@ArtificialDjDAGX Ай бұрын
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 are you forgetting how the CCP hates having any trade with other countries? The CCP creates "X at home" versions of anything made outside the CCP, refusing to let the originals into the country. Don't go throwing rocks in glass houses.
@highlander12072002
@highlander12072002 Ай бұрын
​@@peekaboopeekaboo1165東突、圖博、南蒙古、滿州、香港也是!(笑
@notzachpowers
@notzachpowers Ай бұрын
Was wondering if you would make a video on this. Very insightful!
@TA-eo2ww
@TA-eo2ww Ай бұрын
THANKS FOR INFORMING US! I was wondering about this!
@InsaneFirebat
@InsaneFirebat Ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't heard about this quake at all.
@TrueNorthNorway1970
@TrueNorthNorway1970 Ай бұрын
Condolences to all in Taiwan. best wishes for a speedy recovery for all hurt and their families from Oslo, Norway.
@DDRWakaLaka
@DDRWakaLaka Ай бұрын
thanks for this, i was genuinely curious how they handled this
@AC-jk8wq
@AC-jk8wq Ай бұрын
Nice work as usual Jon! Our earthquake, centered in NJ, was only a 4.8. Prayers for the lost and injured in Taiwan. 😃
@DSAK55
@DSAK55 Ай бұрын
4.8, fuggedaboudid
@Sydnicate
@Sydnicate Ай бұрын
@@DSAK55lmao
@rogink
@rogink Ай бұрын
Pretty sure the West Coast has the same problem as Taiwan and Japan though!
@ryandick9649
@ryandick9649 Ай бұрын
TSMC has matured significantly as a corporate entity since 1999, as this past week shows how they now possess some of the necessary Disaster Recovery Planning, Business Resumption Planning, and Business Continuity Management processes to withstand and (eventually) overcome the challenges of an earthquake. Quite a step-function improvement over "shutting everything down for Y2K".
@arturoyescas4175
@arturoyescas4175 Ай бұрын
I'm glad I found this channel. Nice to hear someone comment on semiconductors production who actually know what they're talking about. Very detailed and to the point, thank you!
@BurleyBoar
@BurleyBoar Ай бұрын
Thank you for the quick turnaround for this. I've been looking forward to it. Thank you for the respect paid to those who lost their lives. Also... spoiler . . . . . as a massive Godzilla fan and knowing about G-Force found the moment of levity at 4:42 is laugh out loud funny. I'm not the only one who thinks of Godzilla when I hear G-Force. A good way to break things up.
@peekaboopeekaboo1165
@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Ай бұрын
Hollywood wokness ... giving the Oscar award to Godzilla instead of The Creator .
@robertgardiner9426
@robertgardiner9426 Ай бұрын
Was hoping you’d make a vid on this, thanks so much, love the vids as always
@_ata_3
@_ata_3 Ай бұрын
It's admirable how you share specialized and insider knowledge on such an accesible way.
@5anjuro
@5anjuro Ай бұрын
Thank you Jon, I have been waiting for this. Lots of people asked how the semiconductor industry was doing.
@red4666
@red4666 Ай бұрын
So cool. Love all the ref images. Gonna be really helpful for our video game that we’re making.
@punditgi
@punditgi Ай бұрын
Excellent report. Many thanks for all your fine work! 🎉😊
@corneliushojl7994
@corneliushojl7994 Ай бұрын
Thanks Jon, very kind for informing.
@woolfel
@woolfel Ай бұрын
I still have lots of family in Taiwan on my father's side. It's good that most modern buildings are built to handle earth quakes
@H0mework
@H0mework Ай бұрын
It's very close to Japan and was a colony of it. I wonder how much knowledge they got from them.
@GodmanchesterGoblin
@GodmanchesterGoblin Ай бұрын
@@H0mework Quite a lot, I think. Asianometry has previously covered the Japanese industrial influence on Taiwan in his videos.
@peekaboopeekaboo1165
@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Ай бұрын
​@@GodmanchesterGoblin None at all . ROC 🇹🇼 modern building code adopted from the U$A and Japan .
@GodmanchesterGoblin
@GodmanchesterGoblin Ай бұрын
@peekaboopeekaboo1165 I just mentioned the Japanese influence... I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
@mpxee
@mpxee Ай бұрын
awesome content , im grateful. just can i recommend put a little gain in your output general volume ?? it helps a lot
@amarissimus29
@amarissimus29 Ай бұрын
Man, you are well-informed. Great job, this is fascinating stuff. Thanks for all your work.
@diraziz396
@diraziz396 Ай бұрын
Respect on the Details. Cheers Mate
@kohlerzuehlke6579
@kohlerzuehlke6579 Ай бұрын
Mans is on the grind, I love these videos sm
@theriwen7863
@theriwen7863 Ай бұрын
I can't afford to donate but I genuinely think what you're doing is awesome and I hope you keep it up for years to come. Looking forward to visiting Taiwan!
@williamhoodtn
@williamhoodtn Ай бұрын
Well done video sir.
@rayoflight62
@rayoflight62 Ай бұрын
Thank you, Jon. Anthony
@TrevorsMailbox
@TrevorsMailbox Ай бұрын
For the algorithm 👊. Loooove your channel.
@BoonTee
@BoonTee Ай бұрын
Great work as always. My heart with families affected by the earthquake
@mekafinchi
@mekafinchi Ай бұрын
there's something really heartwarming about hearing that the costs, both human and economic, of similar magnitude earthquakes have been reduced by orders of magnitude in just a couple decades
@ReadThisOnly
@ReadThisOnly Ай бұрын
you're making some of the best content on this website.
@subliminalvibes
@subliminalvibes Ай бұрын
5:36 - not a _lawn_ sprinkler, a fire sprinkler! 👍😆
@mattbland2380
@mattbland2380 Ай бұрын
Top notch coverage, this time of an ongoing story. Thankfully the casualty count has been relatively low, due in part to the preparedness of the country. It would be much worse in many countries due to less rigorous building codes and enforcement. I wonder if the fabs have considered their own power generation and battery backup systems on a large scale. Whilst it’s obvious for plugging intermittent power supply to cover dips in supply, it would be a massive undertaking to make a completely solar powered fab, which at this point is likely unfeasible. Still, on site generators such as those used by big data centres would allow for a clean shutdown, in tandem with large battery packs to handle the switch over delay, which I suppose is already the case for most of these manufacturers. I’ve no idea if there’s enough real estate nearby to allow for a solar plant, but every available rooftop could/would be covered. The semiconductor industry has no excuse to be a laggard when it comes to solar cells and battery packs. Once again, great job on the video.
@middle_pickup
@middle_pickup Ай бұрын
The image of that tilted building is pretty crazy.
@laurinpestes5569
@laurinpestes5569 Ай бұрын
So good the hear this from a trusted source. Thanks.
@YaoiMastah
@YaoiMastah Ай бұрын
I indeed heard a fellow Dutch (who often dabbles in politics) mumble: "Who builds a fab in a earthquake prone area? They would be better to build a fab here.." After which I sarcastically remarked: "Yes, building a fab in a river delta, below sea level, is much much better.."
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266 Ай бұрын
I was in the Bay Area when the Loma Prieta earthquake happened. The power went out on the baseball game I was watching with some friends and then we heard him and felt a bump. And then we started hearing sirens and we went outside to a park that can see across the bay to watch smokes starting to rise from burning building
@nzoomed
@nzoomed Ай бұрын
Great video, I was always wondering how the fabs handle earthquakes, such sensitive equipment such as E-UV machinery processing wafers!
@81oor
@81oor Ай бұрын
Really, really good video. Thank you.
@8-bitbitsa821
@8-bitbitsa821 Ай бұрын
Thank you ! Your videos are Awesome !!
@rydplrs71
@rydplrs71 Ай бұрын
In my fab experience, everything in photo was rerun, everything else was really sorted by condition. Most other operations were 2-3 wafer loses. Batch diffusion could be repaired for 98% of the time at .18
@ianniculescu1625
@ianniculescu1625 Ай бұрын
thank you for answering the first question I had, when heard about the quake.
@patroklosana8692
@patroklosana8692 Ай бұрын
Thank you for your work
@ChiefBridgeFuser
@ChiefBridgeFuser Ай бұрын
Astonishing that so much is produced in an earthquake area with relatively little disruption. So many problems solved that are critical to keeping that crazy equipment running.
@FullLengthInterstates
@FullLengthInterstates Ай бұрын
Your closing comments are important. While it is most cost effective to only prepare for the most likely disasters, wealth is all about diminishing returns. Earthquakes can happen in historically stable areas, so we can either be nihilists, or we can redirect some discretionary spending towards these less likely but still possible events.
@WSDFirm
@WSDFirm Ай бұрын
Thanks, I was worried
@richm9157
@richm9157 Ай бұрын
EQ accelerations are sometimes quoted as percent of g. So 0.15g would be 15% of g. Makes it a little more intuitive to understand how severe the shaking was. Great video, really informative ! Thanks...
@kubeek
@kubeek Ай бұрын
what? who doesn´t know that 0.15 is 15%?
@ntabile
@ntabile Ай бұрын
You're good! You pray and hope that people are mostly safe and have consoled those who are greatly affected. Anyway, That is why some Taiwanese fabs in Singapore is operating and expanding, no earthquake here. EDB of Singapore is partly investing on those fabs too.
@lordr1800
@lordr1800 Ай бұрын
was looking forward to your next video after what happened in Taiwan. hope you're ok
@akaHarvesteR
@akaHarvesteR Ай бұрын
I live in Mexico, and Mexico city has a similar early warning system, as the faults are mostly 400-500km away along the coast. In an ideal case, it can give up to 70 seconds of advance warning to the city. Let me tell you, those are the most terrifying seconds you'll likely experience
@SilentSword22
@SilentSword22 Ай бұрын
yo love your videos, i was hoping i could propose a interesting video idea, a deep dive into RandNLA?
@DerinTheErkan
@DerinTheErkan Ай бұрын
I send prayers out to those who lost their lives and suffered injury in the recent earthquake, and a great deal of respect for the engineers whose hard work kept the damage to the level that it is right now. Indeed when you have your priorities set straight, earthquakes are just another engineering problem that we need to deal with. Remembering the earthquake in Turkey last year it's a relief when material damage to fabs can be the topic of discussion so soon after the event.
@pelleskanal7660
@pelleskanal7660 Ай бұрын
Any news on why the warning system didn't work in Taipei? Usually the phone gets a message and the speaker in the apartment I live in starts screaming in mandarin :)
@David_Kan
@David_Kan Ай бұрын
Yes this was discussed extensively on Taiwanese news. In short, the text warning system is based on the initial estimate of the quake’s strength (keep in mind we are talking about seconds after the quake occurs). In the case of the recent quake, the first estimate was 6.2 and second at 6.8 at the epicentre. In both cases, the predicted strength for Taipei was below 4, which happens to be the threshold for sending the text warning. (Anything
@Rivulets048
@Rivulets048 Ай бұрын
"...to keep their fabs, and people, safe" In that order
@betag24cn
@betag24cn Ай бұрын
lol, things on that world are like that, sadly the euv machines cost like 300 millions each, lithography is expensive af
@alvinnorin8820
@alvinnorin8820 Ай бұрын
On the topic of reliability, I'm curious regarding how robust their backup power is in the case of a grid failure.
@fjalics
@fjalics Ай бұрын
Maybe they should install some Tesla Megapacks.
@brodriguez11000
@brodriguez11000 Ай бұрын
Power seems to be the achilles heel for all chip plants, not just Taiwan.
@ntabile
@ntabile Ай бұрын
​​@@fjalics Could be not cost effective, that is why management didn't care to maintain our tools with UPS. Some more, battery back ups are some more a fire hazard if not maintained or contained effectively.
@fjalics
@fjalics Ай бұрын
@@ntabile LFP batteries don't catch fire.
@rogerk6180
@rogerk6180 Ай бұрын
This will certaily be something added in the future as prices on storage keep comming down. It will become commonplace everywhere going forward anyway to control energy costs. Charge up during the day when power is cheap or free to use during night time when it will be more expensive.
@TimeDilation
@TimeDilation Ай бұрын
Just looking at the density of lines in the digram at 10:46, are the labels for "compression" and "dilation" switched?
@wthomas5697
@wthomas5697 Ай бұрын
I'm sitting here watching this video in norcal and feeling the ground start to shake. We have quakes all the time around here.
@snooks5607
@snooks5607 Ай бұрын
5:38 damn that must've been expensive, why don't they use inert gas fire suppression system? seen even pretty low-end server rooms using them
@kellymoses8566
@kellymoses8566 Ай бұрын
I find it amazing that 17,000 wafers were in process at once.
@katrinabryce
@katrinabryce Ай бұрын
It takes something like 6-8 weeks to get from one end of the production line to the other.
@samnman1
@samnman1 Ай бұрын
Love your videos! I have a question, why is the stock picture inside a fab that yellow pic at 4:40 ? Are they all yellow inside?
@Gameboygenius
@Gameboygenius Ай бұрын
Because they use yellow light as general illumination to prevent damage to things like that are light sensitive. It's basically a kind of darkroom for photography. There are a lot of chemicals and materials in a fab that are designed to cure when you expose it to blue or ultraviolet light. By using yellow light, they prevent such materials from receiving stray photons that could degrade or outright destroy the material before it's ready to use.
@ntabile
@ntabile Ай бұрын
Yes for Lithography. As mentioned and replied by Gameboygenius
@jkwang7555
@jkwang7555 Ай бұрын
because mexicans are good at dealing with drugs
@LethalBB
@LethalBB Ай бұрын
Interesting this was so low impact when I remember a brief power cut being a disaster for Korean fabs.
@SwordOfApollo
@SwordOfApollo Ай бұрын
A peak ground acceleration of 0.15g seems low to me. I lived through the 1994 Northridge quake, which had a peak ground acceleration of 1.8g in some places.
@-r-495
@-r-495 28 күн бұрын
The pharmaceutical industry uses the same big-onion construction techniques and place their cleanrooms at similar locations, depending on the infrastructure required by the process used. Probably it‘s all based on the designs used by the Manhattan Project. Thank you for the update, sincerely wish you and all affected well
@hikashia.halfiah3582
@hikashia.halfiah3582 Ай бұрын
So I have been curious, what's the painting that appear at the start of your video?
@timmainson
@timmainson Ай бұрын
Glad you’re safe.
@mimp8365
@mimp8365 Ай бұрын
🌏: _April, fool!_
@Michael_Brock
@Michael_Brock Ай бұрын
Fabs and earthquakes. Always reminds me of intel late 90s, california. Earthquake insurance how much? Okay earthquake proofing ⅓ the cost. Were good. Btw that was a one off install against yearly insurance. So solid bases (ie whole buiding on same rigid raft) , rubber bearings and auto shutdown of equipment now just routine. Big insurance played the FA card then lost the premiums when fabs earthquaked proofed the buildings. And received their justified FO. Lol
@ELECTR0HERMIT
@ELECTR0HERMIT 23 күн бұрын
This level of technical achievement and precision is just absurd now and coupled with AGI coming, we can't be far from traveling the cosmos with FTL tech.
@mark111943
@mark111943 Ай бұрын
I thought these fabs would have data centre level of power quality and supply reliability. Of course, I have no idea how much power these places use which may make such systems too expensive and not at all practical to operate on site. Interesting report, thank you.
@hypercomms2001
@hypercomms2001 Ай бұрын
with aplomb! PS: "darling, did the Earth move for you too?"
@jazening3075
@jazening3075 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the informative news segment about TSMC during the Taiwan’s 7.2 Magnitude Earthquake. 👍🙏🙂
@6AK5W-JAN
@6AK5W-JAN Ай бұрын
When you spoke about the lithography machine that was damaged when the sprinklers went off - why did you use a visual of a lawn sprinkler rather than a fire suppression sprinkler? Was it for humour?
@u0aol1
@u0aol1 Ай бұрын
Could be humour, may also be the availability of stock footage
@Kenneth_James
@Kenneth_James Ай бұрын
NJ quake scared the hell outta me. It didn't compute that what I was feeling was an earthquake. I thought there was a massive explosion miles and miles away or something.
@DaSlotho
@DaSlotho Ай бұрын
0:54 by using rolling foundations like they use in every hospital around the world?
@DaSlotho
@DaSlotho Ай бұрын
10:09 floating piles hmmmmmmmm
@markissboi3583
@markissboi3583 Ай бұрын
This was one the 1st things tsmc factory how it survives in earthquakes
@sapphiron21
@sapphiron21 Ай бұрын
Its times like these that make me appreciate living somewhere with basically no natural disasters. Life is already stressful enough i dont know how i would sleep at night knowing that the very earth below me could basically shake me to death at any moment
@0llowain968
@0llowain968 Ай бұрын
The warning did work, check your phone settings. On some phones it has to be turned on manually. Stay safe
@bmitchizzle
@bmitchizzle Ай бұрын
Maybe an essay on Taiwan's power grid? If it's interesting.
@rolandohiebert2144
@rolandohiebert2144 Ай бұрын
What do you mean by abruptly pulling the plug on a pc causing damage? I thought modern power supplies and high end motherboards made that a non issue. Where I live there are a few power outages or voltage sags every week and my PC always just shuts off and I turn it back on. I've been on the same pc for years and haven't had an issue.
@rolandohiebert2144
@rolandohiebert2144 Ай бұрын
Great Video though!
@clintcowan9424
@clintcowan9424 Ай бұрын
Good show
@shouldb.studying4670
@shouldb.studying4670 Ай бұрын
Like a boss was all I could think when I read the title 😂
@jannegrey593
@jannegrey593 Ай бұрын
Given the severity and previous casualties I'm amazed and thankful that this time there were much less casualties. Of course it still could be better, but I remember 1999 and compared to this one - it was much worse.
@Flameboar
@Flameboar Ай бұрын
I remember 9-21. I was working in 新竹科學區 then. I have been checking friends everyone has said that they are OK
@tannerbean3801
@tannerbean3801 Ай бұрын
Someday semiconductor fabs will inevitably operate their own molten salt or molten sodium small modular nuclear reactors onsite... while it doesn't guarantee no power interruptions in an earthquake or CME, the small size of small modular reactors and sCO2 turbines, as well as the lack of transmission lines would reduce much of the risk of power bumps/ interruptions... not to mention, the electricity would likely be cheaper than from any other supplier.
@damianbutterworth2434
@damianbutterworth2434 Ай бұрын
What about building the factory on a boat on a lake?
@iiisaac1312
@iiisaac1312 Ай бұрын
pretty good that they could resist the quake. if i could get away with playing quake on company time, i definitely would.
@wertacus
@wertacus Ай бұрын
Imagine drilling an anchor for the shelves and costing $100000 in damage from the dust. Crazy these facilities can exist at all
@B0rQ
@B0rQ Ай бұрын
Brilliant.
@abhishekvanenooru2869
@abhishekvanenooru2869 Ай бұрын
i have an exam but you videos are very interesting
@nicks.2627
@nicks.2627 Ай бұрын
people in taiwan: suffering from the earthquake in Taiwan people not in taiwan: ohm, will my new iphone got delayed?
@neuemilch8318
@neuemilch8318 Ай бұрын
They took it like a champ
@cmikhail7289
@cmikhail7289 Ай бұрын
Godzilla forces 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@1.4142
@1.4142 Ай бұрын
vibe check
@greghawley7852
@greghawley7852 Ай бұрын
Did you say concrete two to three meters thick?! Wow.
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