How Your Draw Length Will Affect Your Hold

In this video, I go over how adjusting your draw length can affect the way your bow aims/holds
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[@gunnarfontaine3571]

This is the best content on KZbin for compound archers/ hunters IMO. No ego, just trying to help people out.

[@Justin-ge6fu]

I figured this out about a week ago and completely changed my hold and I wouldn’t fatigue in my bow are as fast. I feel like no one talks about it.

[@Justin-ge6fu]

I would get big dips and could never hold on the target with out the pin falling out.

[@blizzbee]

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[@stevehilligoss309]

I have to his issue as well. I just figured that I suck and can’t get any better. I will be looking into this.

[@c_vincent_p]

Glad to hear you talk about this. I’ve had this problem for a while now and have just been aiming high to compensate. No matter what, right after my set hold the pin will start to settle a tad low. I adjusted my dl a .5 longer and BAM, no more problem ‼️.

[@richarddean3154]

I was having a similar problem a few years ago and solved it by adding weight to my back bar. I conduct most of my practice at 50 yards and beyond now - the closer ranges are sooo easy.

[@leeebryn]

having high bow shoulder and high release elbow problems for almost a year.....always felt like increasing my draw length could help....going to try increasing my draw length half an inch to an inch tomorrow and see how it works. thanks for the info very useful!

[@Marco-te3mp]

did the adjustment work?

[@jimr7154]

Actually did this by accident Got tired of going to the shop to replace my d loop Replaced it myself and made it just a bit longer Seems to hold better and I’m getting a cleaner break from my thumb release

[@stephkeithtoon1974]

Thanks again for a great video I have noticed when DL is too short I get jittery pin float and the front of my deltoid on my bow shoulder will bother me. When it's long, pin float gets big and floaty. I'll also feel like I'm pulling off anchor during shot execution. I've tried moving the D loop up and down on the string to avoid the "dip bang" or "dropping out the bottom" and it negatively affected the hold. It also changed the grip pressure. Experimenting with ONE thing at a time helps tremendously.

[@vincentdegraaf2222]

Hey last week I was doing the same with my old PSE drive X Got the sweet spot back I only add a few twists in my cables instead of rewinding my string.

[@masonglasgow8430]

Great tip and something to keep in mind. Love the tips/tricks/guidance as I try to tighten up my shot group!

[@brpnw4r94]

Yep, I've adjusted my draw stops and mods juuuuust right to have the holding weight I can manage. Seems to "balance" the entire draw and anchor cycle and ensures I "pull" through the shot. Reckoning 35 29.5@70

[@c64116]

Glad youre still doing videos. i just found out about you from a video from 2019

[@zerozilch]

Thumb knuckle locked into jaw by ear is the key with a quick release that is

[@petermorphett]

what happened the Hoyt RX7 Worth the Upgrade? video?

[@cowboy9390]

Could a short draw length also cause creep at full draw because your chest isn’t expanded and back engaged?

[@tonyallen9131]

Could you add twists to your cables to get the same results,I know that it slightly increases the poundage depending on how many twists you add but I've also heard that it increases the draw length as well?

[@tdokkebakken]

You would be correct it will very slightly lengthen it.

[@ObamaOsucksOass]

Another awesome video. I wish you weren't 1500 miles away, y'all would definitely be my go-to shop if you were closer

[@EBair]

Been going through this issue, will have to try this out

[@matt__marcum]

This explains my problem! My pins always wanted to go low. Told my dealer that my draw length felt short, measured and said it looked correct, so I always went with it. I'll coming to the Bow Rack in the next month or so to get a new V3X 33! Thanks for the video!!

[@robertmiller6822]

This has been happening on my new rx5 ultra think I might play around. Cheers for the advice

[@donovanstockton44]

Great advice brother!

[@zacharyclark8905]

Ever since I switch from the Prime to the new Mathews V3X 33 I’ve been having this issue

[@CR1981-]

What happened to the RX7 video you posted yesterday?

[@RockyMountainWest13]

You’re an absolute wealth of knowledge

[@jasondlion]

Do you have any videos for hand placement and such? Been hunting and shooting but some reason feel i keep hitting left and i know its my alignment

[@justindunn3496]

This is kind of a side question but on the Hunting side of archery we’re seeing longer risers and parallel or even pass parallel limbs. If that’s so accurate and better why don’t we see that on the target side?

[@ericswafford9149]

The goal is to make a 29-34 inch bow to hold like a full size target rig

[@alxfredrick]

Is there an industry standard for measuring draw length? I measure 1 3/4" past or in front of the throat of the grip. I think both my inline and rx1 while set at 26.5" measured 27". This is not including d-loop.

[@mikehoffman5923]

Have you ever worked on Mr Hanes bow?

[@walderman55]

Would you run your hamskea rest cord through the Mathews plastic yoke piece like you have on this bow? I've heard both yes and no and would really like your input on the matter.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I’ve been running it to the yoke and haven’t had any issues. Keeps the cord shorter and tighter to the bow. And the yoke moves in unison with the limb tip so it’s just like tying around the end of the limb. Pretty sweet if you ask me

[@randykeech3557]

So what about the peep. If you take a few twists out will that make the peep be twisted

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah you have to realign the peep and loop

[@leviglass871]

What color is that RTX? I love it!

[@MulliganLife]

I have not been shooting bow but about 1.5 years. Archery shops near me all want me set to 27". I have a span on 69". They calculate it and say maybe 27.5" I have never drawn the bow and set my nose on the string without reaching. I adjusted my Elite Enkore till my nose set on the string as mentioned. I now have my bow set to 29" draw. It feels comfortable but now need new arrows to test it out. Has anyone ever had or seen this big of difference? Am I doing something wrong? Nose button is easy to find and I will need to raise the peep. Doing the work myself as a learning process. Any thoughts are welcome.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yes the measurement is just a very generic number. Measure at 29 and shoot 30.5

[@MulliganLife]

@@InsideOutPrecision Just wanted to make sure I was not be counterproductive. Thanks for all the info you give for free. Have you ever looked into the Goat Tuff Equalizer release?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@MulliganLife No I've never heard of it. I thought they only made glue haha

[@OvertimeX86]

Good video

[@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl]

What if you have a bow that you shoot pretty well with but bring it to a shop and the say your draw length is short im shooting a Mathew’s dxt 30 the bow shop says it’s too short I need a 32 they are saying I gota possibly change the cam or get a new now

[@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl]

Bow”

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I mean proper draw length is pretty crucial…. And two inches is a mile in archery. I’d let them fix it

[@the_quest_outdoors10]

what happens if draw length is too long

[@InsideOutPrecision]

You’ll have a hard time getting your hand anchored to your face and your arm will be completely locked out

[@EDHBowman]

Nice

[@PennNative]

How do you know if it’s a draw length issue or stabilizer setup? I had that bob, i took my stabilizer off and it went away. i put my front bar on as a back bar with no front bar and it got even better yet. this was on my indoor bowhunter setup. I agree with you. but i also think sometimes guys just throw weights on there bow without working into it or properly setting up front and rear bars.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

There's no way to tell for sure. Just gotta play with things. Everyone's sweet spot is different

[@PennNative]

Found an answer. check out this video. Grip talks about the difference. A slow falling out the bottom is stab weight issue. The dip bag is a draw length issue. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGPOfoaujdmsrs0

[@nicholasperrotti3581]

Why would you delete the RX7 video because you pointed out a flaw hoyt having

[@InsideOutPrecision]

No I took it down because I mentioned the person we were giving a bow away to but it was supposed to be surprise and he hadn't received the bow yet. Just didn't want to ruin the surprise because he follows the channel

[@justinyoung3489]

Can a low hold be caused by too short of draw length?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yes it can certainly be a factor.

[@jackbuendgen389]

Will getting a release with a longer neck help to?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Not really. It will just make the trigger harder to reach

[@niceldridge9583]

Hey man, is it possible to swap a .019 pin for a .010 pin on the new Landslyde 3-pins? Looks like that’s what you got going on.

[@tdokkebakken]

I would reach out to axcel and talk to them about it. I have an accutouch carbon and they wanted me to send it in for them to do it but like 8-10 week wait time

[@itsmysteryzz9619]

I have this same issue but I’m being told by others to shorten my draw length. Is there a service from you I can pay you for to look at what I have going on? I’m having to tilt my head right to see through my peep when I get to anchor

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Send a video on Instagram to @inside_out_precision and I'll take a look. I do offer online coaching as well but don't want to give out my personal email and phone number on here.

[@itsmysteryzz9619]

@@InsideOutPrecision sent a video and a picture over

[@jasonnester9514]

I just wobble all over the place I’m just a shaky person by nature

[@KowboyUSA]

Do you sell Mathews no cam HTR Rock Mods?

[@EChunter]

How does a video drop ?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Are you being sarcastic or actually wondering?

[@EChunter]

@@InsideOutPrecision sarcastic , I like your channel just get annoyed at people saying to like and subscribe before they even get into thier video (you don't seem to be too bad about that part ) and people talking about videos "dropping" its just such an odd thing to say .

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@EChunter I hear you. You just have to realize that you’re gaining something from watching the video, and liking/subscribing is how the content creator gains something from you. It’s free for you, so subscribing is the best way you can support the channel. It’s called “dropping” a video because after editing, you drag and “drop” the file on to KZbin. Thanks for watching!

[@EChunter]

@@InsideOutPrecision mostly agree , but I don't learn or gain from every video I watch , not a cut against you just the way it is , there a re lot of useless videos on you tube .

[@johnarcher9480]

Dip bangs are a mental issue, not D/L

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@johnarcher9480 yeah if you generally hold well but get the involuntary dip then it’s mental. But if you’re constantly battling a jumpy pin that wants to drop it’s usually a draw length issue in my experience!

[@johnarcher9480]

@@InsideOutPrecision I can agree with that. The dip CAN be DL related, not the Bang 😉

[@pickin4you]

Sorry but you are way too young to know the correct answers. There are two reasons for this. One is the bow is too HEAVY. Many cannot hold the weight of many of today’s bows up. The other problem is a bow arms that is too straight. It should be slightly bent and you should be pushing towards the center of the target. Draw length is draw length. Also, changing of ones D Loop can affect draw length. How you anchor. I have shot many different bows over the past 50 years, and my draw length has stayed the same no matter the bow brand. I have a bone on bone anchor with my release hand. Get rid of those kisser buttons and get a proper anchor. And don’t go with a bow that is too heavy for you to hold up. Stop listening to those who tell you to add more weight to gold still. Look at that persons arm and look are yours. Chances are, their arm is three times the size Of yours. Easy for them, but too heavy for you. Find a Bow that fits you weight wise. If that side bar is too Much, take it off. Those have not increased scores. It’s a gadget people think they need.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Ask any pro about this issue if you don’t believe me. We add or subtract twists to the strings and cables to fine tune draw length down to an 1/8”. Of course you don’t want to shoot a bow that’s too heavy, but draw length plays a MUCH larger part in how your bow aims than the stabilizers do.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I may only be 36, but I have been shooting for 25 years, won 4 national national titles, coached the Junior USA Archery team, and still shoot with some of the top pro’s in todays game. I’m not saying that to toot my own horn, but I also want you to know my advice comes from experience. A pin that drops can happen for people who shoot daily and are plenty strong to hold the bow up. If your alignment isn’t correct, you will always battle an unstable sight picture. A slight bend in the arm is totally normal and okay, but too much of a bend doesn’t allow the front shoulder to get into proper position, which will cause the smaller muscle groups to begin to fatigue more quickly than if they were being supported first by the skeletal structure. While many arms appear “straight” they are not locked out, there is a slight bend that allows the archer to keep forward pressure while aiming. And I don’t ever remember saying people should be using kisser buttons and I certainly have many videos on the importance of a solid anchor. But I don’t care how solid your anchor point is, if the draw length is correct you will always battle pin float. That being said, most people don’t shoot enough or care enough to see the benefit of tweaking draw length a tiny bit, but to those of use who shoot hundreds of arrows a week it can be a total game changer. I hate when people think they know more just because of how long they’ve been shooting a bow, and when they get beat by someone who has been doing my half as long as them it just proves my point.

[@johnarcher9480]

His age isn’t an issue, lots of people drive cars for 50 years and still suck. Weight of the bow isn’t the issue. Look around Erika Jones. That girl is pretty tiny, and she shoots a ton of stab weight on a heavy bow. Dip bangs to me are a mental issue. Try blind bailing. Never once had a dip bang with blind bailing. If your D/L is off it can make holding more difficult, but the dip bang is still a mental issue…often exasperated by that added tension while holding.