How ZSS and Bayonetta Made Their Ultimate Return

[@AdmiralBobbery123]

I am bewildered at how quickly you all are able to produce such highly produced content.

[@xdifficultviper9916]

Dedication and teamwork but their turn around is insane

[@bossjack4225]

The tourney finished on Sunday like wow

[@nightbrand8016]

Right? They're making the metagame so much easier to follow

[@Mordo___]

“Produce highly produced content”

[@AdmiralBobbery123]

@@Mordo___ Look man no one said I was perfect

[@Moss_Dude]

There should be an invitational where every entrant is the best of their respective character, with 86 entrants in total. Characters without a definitive "best" could earn entry via dittos.

[@micahbarrus8406]

Ok, but what do you do with players like Riddles, who is the best Terry in the world, and arguably the best Kazuya? Does he pick one and let someone else take the other? Or does he play both and hope that he doesn't have to face himself?

[@Spyder-Marth]

@@micahbarrus8406 I think he should pick one

[@napho5451]

danganronpa invitational

[@Moss_Dude]

@@micahbarrus8406 I think he's more well known for Kazuya, but no matter which he picks there's plenty of competition for the 2nd best of both.

[@harrdeeharr]

@@micahbarrus8406 I feel within this idea of a tournament he only plays one, presumably Terry, and then the Kazuya goes to like Axiom XL or someone. Tea’s Kazuya is probably better than Riddles, but he’d surely take Pac Man. My choice would be to give Acola Kazuya and Onin Steve, but that also feels a little weird. This tournament would never happen though, it’s just a fun thought experiment.

[@DrWavy-fq2qk]

A much needed win for Marss, not only for the obvious confidence boost but also the added incentive for doing good in connection with his streaming career. Dude went from 700 subs to 1000+ in his one hour scuffed celebration stream and it’s all the more reason for him to stay motivated. Top 10 Marss? We’ll have to wait and see 😌

[@damarihanson3876]

You are a true Marss fan, commenting anywhere he is mentioned lmao. Respect the dedication

[@bossjack4225]

I miss when marss was top 3 on ranking. But I believe he can bring it back. Zss may suk but she’s good in this meta we have

[@DrWavy-fq2qk]

@@damarihanson3876 Hard not to be a fan of a person with the qualities he has. He might not practice all the time, but he’s a competitor. He might not be too 5 anymore, but that just makes it feel all the more better when he gets wins like these. I missed out on seeing him thrive pre-Covid in his prime, so I’m not gonna miss out on seeing him grow as he is in this meta

[@craigmoon2121]

@@bossjack4225 I thought he peaked at being ranked #5 right before covid hit.

[@solaire27]

@@craigmoon2121 he was number 3 after nairo and samsora got banned. But yeah, his peak was 5th

[@EagleLightning18]

To clarify on bloom's wins, gluto stated today on twitter : "He's very strong and I need to play the MU better, simple. Tendinitis or not, it's just an additional difficulty, I have to deal with it. It's 100% useless to wonder what would have happened without it."

[@samshapira8295]

I just want to clarify that the clip of Hungrybox popping off comes from taking a single stock as steve and then immediately losing the set.

[@dylanzachary683]

I don’t think he has anything to prove in ultimate he mostly cares about melee, probably just wants to compete either way but I’ve always loved hbox

[@nicholas930]

The content was too sweet to not for him

[@Spyder-Marth]

ZSS and Bayonetta still have solid potential in Smash, even after their big nerfs. I know this tournament wasn't as stacked as many, but can we actually give Niko, Kirbykid, and Lima the credit they deserve? They took down some big names this tournament. Also congrats to Marss; he was on fire 🔥

[@Myst1c_OW]

Huge run from Lima! im so proud of him and cant wait to see him in the panda cup Finale!!! :)

[@illford]

I mean Bloom does hold a 3-0 record on Gluto which is insane

[@mmmargh4743]

@@illford 3 things : hands issues, he doesn't know how to apply the matchup and bayo has good tools against Wario. I'm more impressed about how close the set were but I was 100% sure Gluto would lose. Doesn't make B4E a better player than Gluto

[@lagspike7763]

France and UK having a rivalry for top spots in the PGR? Art imitates life, it seems.

[@adamo.g.2543]

Also can I just say how much I've loved the production from a stream viewer at LTC and CEO, just all the easy-to-read stats that come up during the stream are great.👏👏

[@clarkyueh0926]

Agreed fr fr while the stream time was kinda scuffed(missing whole Friday and ignoring multiple intense loser brackets{like Axe wizzrobe and hbox bass}) it was very comfortable watching. They show the brackets , Stats,runs and upsets clearly

[@cms_bb8817]

Whoever made the thumbnail needs a raise, that looks sick.

[@LoliPeeSlurper]

Yeah, makes me have a fever 🥵

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

Lima qualifying is actually pretty exciting. Hype to see a bayo on the big stage. After how far she was buried in nerfs I'm the move to ultimate. And bloom's results are really impressive too.

[@plabcentral630]

Wadi you gotta start top 8ing man. Your one of my favorite players.

[@Myst1c_OW]

Im so proud of Lima, i aspire to be like him! i havent ever gone to a local tournament or any offline events, but i think i could have a shot at being a good bayo

[@lokks2130]

imagine aspiring to be like lima 😂😂😂 does he know???!?!

[@Crzypengu]

@@lokks2130 indeed

[@elpokitolama]

Thanks a ton for the high quality VCA coverage! 😄

[@lightspeedbeast]

Marss is my goat for sure, honestly since the start of the game. He is so inspiring to watch play, and when he’s playing good he feels so dominant, even at last hit. HOWEVER, I know that he and ZSS have a tough time against DLC (and olimar 😬). I know he has it in him to take them down, but I also havent seen or heard of him grinding out those matchups specifically.

[@Spyder-Marth]

I think everyone who plays a base-roster character has trouble with DLC (ESPECIALLY fp2 DLC). Honestly, that shows how meta-breaking the FP2 characters are. Almost every top player uses one of them, now (as a main or as a secondary). And those who don't are not the top dogs (besides Light, Sonix, and Kola).

[@MinKiu410]

FP2 characters are unique for sure but its not like base roster has trouble against them. Pretty sure the struggle is mainly because of less matchup experience

[@justaliljello5198]

@@Spyder-Marth Maister and glutto as well

[@kyurei4478]

Thanks for putting Marss' boss theme when presenting his run to celebrate his accomplishment. Nice touch.

[@Klausi]

Again great coverage of both events! Really nice work on the european part as well

[@sferris9785]

In case anyone is wondering... the end song is called We're Robots. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE THAT SONG

[@Mr-Blue68]

Marss just plays the game 🤝

[@josealzaibar5274]

Whoever did the thumbnail knew exactly what he was doing.

[@boppertron4929]

Seeing so much Meta Knight rep was amazing as a Meta Knight main.

[@adamo.g.2543]

I appriciate the the valedictory elegy for Marss music

[@diamond556]

12:25 mhhhh i wonder who that guy is 🤔

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

So happy for marss' triumphant return. He deserves it.

[@nickocx1158]

The click bait was good, I mean it got me XD

[@yeehaw8089]

this channel hard carries competitive ultimate

[@deaconsmith8689]

Immediately cracked up at the content creator comment. 10/10 delivery here’s a like

[@wolfranck7038]

Awesome video ! Still waiting for the Little Mac analysis video tho !

[@jackclifton5434]

>:) hopefully you won’t have to wait too long

[@gmwes]

i didn't know gluto had tendonitis, that's really sad and really cool at the same time

[@sachitechless]

Talking about UK players, Shaneak also managed to add another pretty strong run to his resume as a top level UK threat too. After his run at Boss Battles where he placed 13th, almost upsetting Sisqui in a nailbiter set and upsetting CurryGovenor, he managed to upset Flow and Ogey at VCA, taking a game off B4E as well in his run. With Space (who beat Fatality) and Shaneak, EU Inklings are a pretty strong threat right now.

[@jonathand.t.5051]

Didnt Space go all Pythra in VCA?

[@andrevanderlinden8722]

@@jonathand.t.5051 nope, he played both characters. His 3-0 on fatality was with Inkling

[@jonathand.t.5051]

@@andrevanderlinden8722 Huh good to know

[@Alibaba-id1cs]

9:53 I didn’t know Meta Knight was 2 characters lmao

[@clarkyueh0926]

He used palu,pika samus and meta knight. They were only talking about the Sets he all won without dropping a game.

[@isaacldi2643]

The french shadow realm is expanding

[@jalucaru]

Absolutey amazing video once again

[@mrcuddlefish]

Fire thumbnail 🤌

[@Jackbest202]

4th seeds do be winning majors though

[@HiFive99]

Badass thumbnail!

[@Farza2005]

Also we had a lot of japnese top players come to th3 mena for tourneys in multiple reigons in uae saudi qatar and kuwait

[@timg1454]

Also Sandra Trim wasn't an upset, Sandro being seded 32 and Trim 33.

[@rmlgaming2091]

Zomba's runs are SOOO cursed. I think the last 4+ tournaments, he's finished exactly 1 spot outside qualifying for something

[@sharsasuke01]

This is an ara ara match up.

[@Roguerobin4]

Wait, Esam played the whole tourney on the box? Insane

[@plowo3021]

Dude i love these videos

[@NightRaven5568]

"How ZSS and Bayonetta Made Their Ultimate Return" ZSS was never bad tho

[@ohjonny95]

I think the same can be said about Bayonetta. She just needed some development.

[@NightRaven5568]

@@ohjonny95 When Bayo got her final buff in the kaz update then yes and maybe even 8.0 Bayo too but Pre 8.0 Bayo was a low tier character that barely worked this character was fixed by a lot of patches that made her best attributes stronger and more consistent Namely her strong disadvantage and combos

[@marcw.4077]

really good video!

[@TheCubicalGuy]

People really just forgot that Marss used to literally be the best in the world pre-pandemic, glad to see him on the grind again.

[@Senayoshy]

No one forgot lol, he just didn't produce the results and people got better during the pandemic while he focused on content creation.

[@lokks2130]

He was second best behind Leo pre-pandemic, even lower throughout fall 2019. Y'all really out here just lying, it's gross. Hate Marss fans.

[@TheCubicalGuy]

@@lokks2130 he 3-0’d Leo in grand finals lmao

[@hwanniggles187]

​@@lokks2130 no he wasnt. that title went to Tweek

[@craigmoon2121]

@@lokks2130 I'm a Marss fan, but I thought he peaked at rank #5 right before covid hit.

[@Enochuout]

The PGstats narrator has a cadence that reminds me a lot of R.C. Bray's audiobook narrations.

[@BSCTDrayden]

another notable upset you didn't mention was Scottish Pac Man main Octave (109th seed) beating Sintro's ROB (20th seed) in a dominant 2-0 also shoutouts to Mazebeans getting 9th and taking a game off Gluto at his first ever tournament outside of the Uk

[@ArtsnifSSB]

Please what is the music from 10:44 to the end

[@maxspecs]

Amazing that 2 months later, none of these great performances matter.

[@snowio2592]

its like they predicted where these guys would place. they made this shit so fast

[@rubberwoody]

From now on I will call the NAPGRU The nap grew

[@rhyshin5662]

Love these!

[@markedeagle2357]

No mention of Jeep's crazy run at LTC. sad.

[@yams7399]

This thumbnail is incredible

[@abdiels3471]

Perfect that this video came out (🏳‍🌈) on the same day it was announced the voice of Samus is now voicing Bayonetta in Bayo 3

[@Crzypengu]

Unfortunate that Hellena Taylor couldn't reprise her role, but its probably due to Covid Lockdowns that kept her from going to a studio to record lines compared to Jennifer Hale who most likely does a lot of work at home.

[@Silhouette0827]

I feel like not touching on jeep, whose first out of state major was LTC, upsetting frawg and finishing 33rd seeded 231st is a big miss.

[@thunderd7904]

Honestly, despite this impressive turnout, I still don’t think Bayonetta or ZSS are that good. Solid, of course, just like any other character in the game, but not unknown top tiers or anything. I though even before the nerfs ZSS needed to be more rewarded off throws to be top tier and Bayonetta is even worse in that regard. With ZSS, she has an extremely unsafe grab with little reward even when you do manage to land it. Bayo’s is more safe, but comes with even less reward. The best they can get off grabs is 50/50’s. In ZSS’s case, it doesn’t matter quite as much because she has safe moves on shield, but pretty much all of Bayo’s moves are worse than -5 on shield and let’s not even get into how minus they are with special lag. As a former ZSS turned Bayonetta main who’s trying to drop for Joker, I can say with confidence that it’s much more the player than the character in this case.

[@TSEizure]

Is this Baiten Kaitos OST?

[@Jesus-hu4lq]

2:14 made me laugh no top player wants to lose to a k rool

[@simonpierrelauzon3845]

Also peanut won a local tourny

[@zandark5045]

Dude, are there ANY panda cup spots on tournaments outside of the NA?

[@suffy8396]

But no mentions of Jeep?

[@JackBz]

Esam beat Muteace 3-0, not 3-1.

[@Rigle]

Grande Vidad 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@maxpogfrog]

2:39 Gotta Stay Balanced 💪

[@bravewryy6781]

*BLOOM4EVA!!!!* 1️⃣🐐👑

[@slukass9631]

We were robbed of Comona covering LTC

[@pgstats]

Their voice needed a much deserved break after killing it on commentary this weekend, they'll be back for next week's Big House 10 recap!

[@ryankrichbaum8877]

Mona and i were originally supposed to split this video with them covering the LTC portion, however their voice was shot and they asked me to cover both for them this week

[@oompa1098]

Me waiting for Peanut and Alternis D:

[@pgstats]

Still being scripted!

[@oompa1098]

Still watched the whole video and left a like tho

[@IKEA_SSB]

why do you guys keep saying the lcq is free to enter if it says it's 15 dollars on smashgg

[@pgstats]

There is no venue fee, the event is free to enter to spectate and play friendlies, among many other activities.

[@IKEA_SSB]

@@pgstats ah fair enough

[@echospace7347]

So sick of everyone calling bayo mid tier finally have even more results to prove she isn’t

[@tloz171nfs]

But. She is. No one puts Byleth in top tier bc of Leo. No one puts ICs in high tier bc of BigD. Bayo is, at best, mid tier.

[@G.dot_]

@@tloz171nfs you’d be surprised how high some top players put byleth in their tierlist

[@speertime]

Fun Fact: The new voice for Bayonetta also does the voice for Samus in the Metroid Prime games

[@SolidMetal8718]

Did it for the *Thicc*

[@iiamkadel]

Kirbykid 🎉

[@rasaunwashington9623]

Idk y but 5:13 was funny af😂🤣😂

[@Farza2005]

Why don't you guys cover middle east majors were a up and coming reigon with a lot of good players but we don't trval3s but watch us so please cover us

[@jackclifton5434]

We covered some this summer on the website. Do you have any info on more recent brackets?

[@carby6831]

I feel like such a dweeb for liking these videos. Oh well.

[@squirrelwithabanana]

Where is Goku. Sora won a major

[@lancelee338]

3:13 “ESANS”

[@pgstats]

💀🧿

[@firstbones]

Love the EU coverage.

[@hanz486]

The gays coming back in the meta

[@abdiels3471]

Period 💅

[@timg1454]

LESGO PGSTATS GLUTO APOLOGIST LESGO

[@JakeSm4sh]

I used to main ZSS but I don't now I main Captain Falcon

[@thegnshut9922]

Will Japanese players be in the panda cup?

[@pgstats]

Players of any region are allowed, the Panda Cup only has events in North America but it isn’t limited to NA players. The only Japanese player to qualify for the Panda Cup so far is aMSa.

[@thegnshut9922]

@@pgstats I would've loved to see them qualify through a japanese major but I guess that'll make the NA events more competitive

[@voodooedits785]

Lost tech city isn’t even a major for ultimate

[@holyfrackledang]

post real upsets

[@sullivans2004]

I fuckin love this channel. Also it's awesome to see a smash bros vid ft bayonetta that doesnt have mfin smash 4 mentioned ughhhh im so sick and tired of hearing about how she "BROKE THE META" when those sweaty idiots coulda just re-legalized custom moves, yk, fight fire with water!!!!!!!

[@Spyder-Marth]

Yeah agreed.

[@ZHL242]

countering smash 4 bayo by re-legalizing customs might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard lmao

[@determined2327]

No goku mention, bad vid

[@marlinmurrell620]

Wish I could go to Big House. But I'm not vaccinated...

[@Mijzelffan]

What's will all these players' life stories you inject into every recap, can't you just summarize the matches normally?

[@gersly__]

if you want to know how the matches went just look at the bracket lol

[@Sambroke]

Turn this into a drama channel

[@Hbox69]

First

[@SirSloth100]

Damn

[@zer0cx110]

Bayonetta still sucks.. sorry

[@ameerjoseph1998]

…what about jeep?🫤