When i become a bowser JR main i will be using canonball exclusively.
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Damn, that's tough.
@edoardocaccia62263 ай бұрын
What's even crazier is that this move was significantly buffed since sm4sh. It was just completely unusable. At least now it falls earlier so it can cover some really weird recovery angles that most other characters couldn't really contest
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Yeah for sure, I played smash 4 for fun a few months ago and my god is that move horrible in that game
@Embrusp4 ай бұрын
I’m a Ludwig and Hero main. The canon ball is insane when wanting to rule over space. Take the Mecha koopa and side be. A bonus is if you follow the canon ball and then continue up air or up throw Mechakoopa forcing them to come down among all projection while you run over them
@itsagamerfgc4 ай бұрын
If you can set it up correctly it's alright but 9/10 times you get punished for using it, especially offline. Side B is really good and mecha koopa is also quite a good move but I personally consider cannonball much worse than those 2 moves
@RealityParrot4 ай бұрын
Im a Bowser Jr Main I can say that cannonball, mechakoopa and side b together leads to insane stage control
@itsagamerfgc4 ай бұрын
That's fair, I think Mecha Koopa and side b are crucial to Jrs gameplan, cannonball not so much tho imo
@juniormachternst3 ай бұрын
it might be true that the move is the worst Projektile but, it has more (situational) usage. As example: in Disadvantage off stage, you can charge and fire it to hit the opponent or at least make it easier to recover. in Advantage if your opponent is trying to recover, you can jump above the ledge and charge it. the you release it right next to the ledge and you will shot the cannonball and ledge-cancel the move.The move is also good to force the Opponent to recover more Obvious or it can lead to make him use one of his resources (jump as an example) or even in a kill cuz they normally don't know when it comes down. The move has it usage, even if it's kinda niche.
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Oh fair enough, some of these situations I didn't consider. Thank you!
@Viridiumm3 ай бұрын
I still use it because I’m a masochist. Also I remember that one clip where hbox got his shield broken by the canon ball and he died instantly. Great video btw, enjoyed it :)
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Haha yee I remember that, also thank you! I put a ton of effort into it!
@Chill-Noob13 ай бұрын
If we’re treating Kirby’s up special as a projectile then Kirby’s is the worst projectile
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Yeah I responded to another comment where I started that I didn't count it as Kirby Up B also functions as a recovery
@Chill-Noob13 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc I saw it 😅
@Chill-Noob13 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc What about fox’s laser?
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
@@Chill-Noob1 oh that's a fair argument, however I believe Fox laser is good for forcing characters to approach along with his reflector this is especially really good in the context of Fox being a rushdown character that really likes fighting up close. It's not an amazing projectile by any means but I do believe it's better then Cannonball. Thanks for your comment!
@kingdedede5570Ай бұрын
@@Chill-Noob1 forces approaches with free damage across the screen and unstales moves with every shot
@PooollАй бұрын
Cannonball has three primary use cases in my experience. The first and most obvious is jump + uncharged/slightly charged while the opponent is recovering to cover some variety of jump, ledge hang, and slow recovery. This leads well into his very strong ledgetrapping game, and if it does hit, sets up nicely for his lingering hitboxes offstage. You can also mix up your positioning to get it to land on stage and potentially catch their normal getup and shield. The second usage is to cover ledge after you’ve been knocked into the top corner of the blastzone. It’s free to set up against most characters and generally puts them on edge. By the time jr is near ledge, the ball is falling from above the camera so they probably can’t tell exactly where and when it’s going to fall. You also have the option of recovering high and descending with the ball to make landing easier. Finally, it’s useful against some projectile/campy characters on stage. They’re forced to either approach or deal with it (lets you set up mecha koopa, or approach more safely). It’s especially useful for going over Steve’s wall and forcing him to stop mining. It can also beat out offstage mine cart. Cannonball seems very weak for its commitment but its main purpose is controlling space and creating openings to charge in, rather than any major reward for hitting it (players will do anything to avoid getting hit anyway).
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
Yo, glad to hear someone wrote such a big comment, would love to respond when I'm not in school XD. So yea, I'll give a real response to this comment later. Either way I appreciate it
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
I use it against Steve quite a bit, but I didn't take matchup specific things into account. I agree that it can be used to edgeguard and for it too fall onto the opponent, which the latter I didn't cover in depth enough in my video tbh. Thanks for your comment!
@oz00063 ай бұрын
Other good thing me when you get hit very hard, you throw the cannon ball up and then falls down. It uses to mantain on distance to your oponnent when you try to recover. But you are right in everything else.
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
True, I forgot to mention that. I also use that as a mixup sometimes. Thanks for the comment!
@TheRealGrimPrimeАй бұрын
4:39 Hmmmmmmmm I think I can make some fixes this weekend (I’m a Jr/Iggy main)
@thebwahboi76166 ай бұрын
I'm a Jr. main, it's not even close to worst. its very helpful for edgeguarding because the hitbox is out for a while and is pretty big, and remains active when it falls so it can hit opponents below the stage. It does a lot of damage to shields so it can be used into baiting your opponent into jumping over it, which is very predictable.
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
I understand why you'd think that, but usually we can't even punish the opponent for the jump directly due to the end lag that cannonball has so you have to predict what they land with which is a lot harder especially cuz most landing aerials are extremely hard to punish. But that's just my opinion on it, thanks for the comment
@Iamverykarpy3 ай бұрын
not trying to disagree but you cant say its not the worst and not mention what you think is the worst instead
@Avaitor_YT3 ай бұрын
@@Iamverykarpy Well for that you'd need to name every projectile But Ivy neutral B is the worst
@Iamverykarpy3 ай бұрын
@@Avaitor_YT ok thats actually a good choice, bullet seed is a fun move but like, its just a worse gunner up air
@mediocrity5693Ай бұрын
Thoughts before I watch the video: The move kinda sucks, but it comes in very handy in some matchups. It can completely block the horizontal path back to the stage, and when combined with other moves (fair, nair, mechakoopa), can create some nasty edge guards. and some characters with poorer movement onstage can have their options limited by it sometimes cus shielding it can be risky (only use it when they’re far away though). I like shooting it so it lands behind Steve’s wall too.
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
That's fair, I do agree with your points. Things like shooting it behind Steve's wall is something I didn't cover as I didn't wanna get into matchup specific stuff (as the video would be like 2 hours long). Thanks for the comment!
@mediocrity5693Ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc fair
@Loonalol2 ай бұрын
Used to main bjr and his cannon ball is a great edge guard and ledge trap tool if spaced properly
@itsagamerfgc2 ай бұрын
I agree with edgeguarding, don't see how it's that good for ledgetrapping when you have Mecha Koopa, and long lasting disjoints in his aerials and forward smash for example but to each their own
@Loonalol2 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc I used it similar to ptooie
@astinotg79123 ай бұрын
One pro is that it is pretty good at confusing level 9 cpus for the achievements
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Huh, that's actually really interesting. I didn't note that as it's not really a part of competitive smash ultimate but that's cool to know, thank you!
@Dino_Burger3 ай бұрын
As someone who actually plays bowser junion I completely dissagree, it has a large variety of uses and is actually quite good. It is used for covering space and for being used with his down b to cover a lot of space
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Well I understand your point about it covering space you usually get punished for using it due to the terrible frame data it has, but if you can find a use for it good on you, thanks for the comment!
@lajazziamacklin8418Ай бұрын
I agree that Cannonball is the worst projectile in the game. Heck, even my two amiibo know how to work around it, by using their shields to defend against it.
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
Exactly, that's pretty wild XD. Thanks for the comment!
@lajazziamacklin8418Ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc You're welcome! And yes, that's pretty crazy!
@ProjectStarLIGHTS26 күн бұрын
I disagree. I have gotten really good at shooting it with the timing of it dropping down and hitting the opponent. It either hits them straight out because they dont anticipate or it forces them to shield
@itsagamerfgc26 күн бұрын
Ay you do you, I personally don't think it's a good move but if you find a use for it go ahead, that's the fun part about fighting games
@vaexsil6 ай бұрын
Commenting to boost the algorithem. Great video btw!
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! (Praying that I get more then 3 impressions from youtube)
@MrGameguyC2 ай бұрын
IMO this move is tied with Byleth's Failnaught as the worst. The arrows' startup are so slow that even MKleo couldn't consistently land them At least it can Shield-Cancel the first half, so it's useful for B-Reverses. IMO, matching the usefulness of Clown Cannon's ability to ledge-cancel, cutting off it's lag and making it decent to condition certain recovery paths. Pick your poison.
@itsagamerfgc2 ай бұрын
Ya know what, that's fair. Byleth's Nuetral B is also really bad. I personally think it's slightly better then cannonball (like very slightly) because you can actually cancel it. But I do agree with your "pick your poison" statement as they're both really bad moves. Thanks for your comment!
@MrGameguyC2 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc You're welcome! It does seem that even the weakest projectiles still have some valid uses. They're just situational and or not the most impactful.
@itsagamerfgc2 ай бұрын
@@MrGameguyC Indeed, there's very few moves in Ultimate that actually have no use in competitive play. Even moves that are pretty much considered worthless like Warlock punch have a niche as a shield break punish (It's still a horrible move tho).
@MrGameguyC2 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc Exactly. Ganon being one of the better Shield Breaking characters gave that move some life. Also nice to see most of Mac's aerials get some niche focus. (Minus Bair)
@Austin_30003 ай бұрын
A lot of other jr mains (like myself) have pointed out some very helpful use cases, but what about ivysaur neutral b being the worst since its basically a worthless move
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Hmmm, that might be a contender ngl. I think it's close between those 2, I'd still say Cannonball because Ivy neutral b leads to more damage and has better frame data but they're both really bad. Thanks for your comment!
@KnightLite-nf8kfАй бұрын
Thanks for the tips.
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
No problem!
@piofutac246427 күн бұрын
You forgot setup with mechakoopa
@itsagamerfgc26 күн бұрын
I mean, with mecha koopa you have so many better options like doing actual combos of it or using it as an item, I suppose you can sometimes put a mecha at ledge and edgeguard with Cannonball against slow recoveries but I don't see how Mecha Koopa helps a lot in relation to Cannonball (Mecha Koopa is a pretty good move tho). Thanks for your comment
@jevorok39053 ай бұрын
so cannonball does definitely have some uses in neutral/soft advantage since you can follow behind it for added pressure, like a budget tjolt. Still bad but definitely not useless
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
I dunno about neutral in a lot of cases but soft advantage I can see your point, it's not a useless projectile but just a really bad one in my opinion. Thanks for your comment
@Thejaintthere4 ай бұрын
The ultimate video of all time
@Nerdwestonbanj077263 ай бұрын
Not a competive player but I find stuff like this interesting to watch I'm a jr main but even as a casual jr main I find this move hard to land and this video makes it worse Good video Also while I'm a jr main I'm mostly a plant main I'd like to see what you think about ptooie if you haven't made a video on it already
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for your comment. Funnily enough I secondary Plant while maining Jr and there's a video about Plant in the works! Ptooie isn't the only subject I cover in the video but a good amount of the video is covering ptooie, these videos do take me a lot of time due to the editing it requires but I'll publish it as soon as it's finished.
@Avaitor_YT3 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc lol same
@shaloanАй бұрын
Where is The part where you can shield break
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
Roughly 4:00
@shaloanАй бұрын
Thx
@shaloanАй бұрын
Also fun fact I'm a jr main
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
@@shaloan O nice, same here
@noahlovotti77225 ай бұрын
You can actually very very situationally shoot above and forward tilt the opponent into it... It still doesn't kill. Just looks cool.
@itsagamerfgc5 ай бұрын
Oh ye I forgot to mention that, it also works with a couple other moves like side b but it's not practical most of the time
@HunterBATLightning2 ай бұрын
As a bowser jr main it’s mostly for reflecting something and especially falling down.
@itsagamerfgc2 ай бұрын
Wdym by "reflecting something"?
@HunterBATLightning2 ай бұрын
King dededes spike ball destroying samus missiles,mario fire ball I meant to say destroying some if your close also to shoot it at them so they shield so you can get another fast attack mainly
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
Ahh got it, ye that's true. I was confused but it be like that. Thanks for your comment
@HunterBATLightningАй бұрын
Your welcome
@miguelcrafter29973 ай бұрын
Idk what you are trying to cook but this is a good projectile , can't convincr otherwise
@dominickfalmarin-yb8xv3 ай бұрын
As a bj main the way you use this projectile is to cut them off from stage
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I mention that in the video that it's a decent edgeguarding tool
@dean48956 ай бұрын
Cool video!
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate it!
@DucksAndCatnip17 күн бұрын
what about fox laser
@itsagamerfgc16 күн бұрын
I would say Fox laser is better, because it can force the opponent to approach depending on the matchup, and even tho it's matchup specific if you use it a lot, having the opponent approach you as Fox is insanely good for him
@DucksAndCatnip16 күн бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc i guess yeah
@dagoodboy642427 күн бұрын
Dont worry I put it to good use w a pocket or reflect. But ill say villagers water is the worst projectile in the game.
@itsagamerfgc26 күн бұрын
I'd argue it's not a projectile as it doesn't have a hitbox, but fair enough. Thanks for your comment
@dagoodboy642421 күн бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc ah np. The water can be reflected/ pocketed too if u dint kno. Thats y i suggested it. It has no other uses besides watering tree and pushing people 3 inches.
@Henryakadawgno2 ай бұрын
Thought that was a high boi video for a second
@itsagamerfgc2 ай бұрын
Who's that?
@greg-un7bkАй бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc It's a guy who reviews movies, He probaably thought so because of the green border on the thumbnail
@itsagamerfgcАй бұрын
Ahh got it, thank you!
@shau_206 ай бұрын
Great vid!
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ChillyWillie06 ай бұрын
Bayonetta up tilt gun
@AverageKatz6 ай бұрын
I will reconsider using that move, ill stick with mecha koopas
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Yea, Mecha Koopa is actually pretty good but Cannonball ain't it XD
@AverageKatz6 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc reminds me of peach turnips, but incredibly buffed (walking, exploding)
@unusualed12872 ай бұрын
Idc what u say man i sauce with the cannonball
@Born-On-A-Monday-rx2zt6 ай бұрын
Two things...how did this get in my recommended. And two, how does his video have such small views and likes despite it containing quite useful information for Bowser Jr mains or Bowser Jr players in general. PS: When I sometimes pick Bowser Jr, I never use canon ball in general because it's just....no...
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for your comment! I think it's getting recommended more now haha, but my channel is rather new so it probably took some time before it got picked up by the algorithm.
@Born-On-A-Monday-rx2zt6 ай бұрын
@@itsagamerfgc Your welcome....I for some reason enjoy smaller KZbin channels.
@benjaminlura73184 ай бұрын
Other bad projectiles could Ne Diddys peanut gun just does not really do anything. Even as fully charged, it takes a lot of frames and the damage output is not good. Not to mention that his Banana projectile heavely outshines it. Unpopular opinion but I really dont like Jokers projectiles are that good if Arsend is not active. His Guns does not even shot far at all, does not flinch the target. And Joker is already fast anyways so he should just approach his enemies. Even though his other attacks are not that good or strong either. Had Joker not had his Arsend mecanic, he could have easily been a low Tier like Ganon.
@kirbydude6673 ай бұрын
I think Kirby’s up special is worse.
@itsagamerfgc3 ай бұрын
I think the projectile utility of the move is ye. I didn't count it because it's also a recovery move which makes it better than Cannonball imo
@goldflake716 ай бұрын
2 things (no offence) 1. underrated 2. you need a mic when you can get one
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Yeah that's fair, I do actually have a decent mic so I think I just messed up my settings or something. Thanks for the advice
@mawilep6 ай бұрын
As a main bowser jr i agree
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
🤝
@BurgerBoy-zq7uy3 ай бұрын
Air Mac
@boiaaang2 ай бұрын
hi i'm the only junior main in existence. cannonball is cool as hell. kirby's final cutter projectile is the worst in the game because you can't use it for anything at all. bowser's fire breath, luigi's stupid fireball, rosalina's star bits, and lucas's PK thunder are also worse than GOATball.
@itsagamerfgc2 ай бұрын
To each their own, but I definitely think it's worse then all the projectiles you listed except Kirby Up B, which I didn't count as the move is also a recovery
@boxbotstarshot2 ай бұрын
as a bj main just cope fr
@dontlikesand6 ай бұрын
banger vid
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! I appreciate it!
@andrewcavallo18776 ай бұрын
Nah, gordo is much worse. Long startup, can be reflected by anything, only 50% chance of sticking to ledge
@TedzillaIsVeryCool6 ай бұрын
Does a lot more damage though I think
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
I feel like in a vacuum maybe but Dedede can still inhale his gordo for mix-ups and it has much better frame data. Either way both projectiles are pretty bad haha
@gureikuroko6 ай бұрын
Just realised the name of the move is "Clown Cannon". My day just got a little bit better. 😊 Good work! Keep making the videos 🫡
@itsagamerfgc6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Also for the feedback on discord, I really appreciate it. I'll definitely be making more videos in the future