Howard's Testimony Against Jimmy | Chicanery | Better Call Saul

Kim questions Howard as part of the case between Chuck and Jimmy.
From Season 3, Episode 5 'Chicanery' - Kim and Jimmy face off with an adversary. Jimmy looks to Chuck's past to secure his future. Jimmy loses an ally and gains another.
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Better Call Saul is the prequel to the award-winning series Breaking Bad, set six years before Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk) became Walter White's lawyer. When we meet him, the man who will become Saul Goodman is known as Jimmy McGill, a small-time lawyer searching for his destiny, and, more immediately, hustling to make ends meet. Working alongside, and often against, Jimmy is "fixer" Mike Erhmantraut (Jonathan Banks), a beloved character introduced in Breaking Bad. The series will track Jimmy's transformation into Saul Goodman, the man who puts "criminal" in "criminal lawyer."
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[@Movierebel3]

"He had a lot of get-up and go. He was a hard worker." That's Howard right there. Honest to a fault. Even when lying or skewing the truth would help the case, he still plays it straight.

[@KeyMediaMA]

Because of Howard’s character development, when you hear him call Jimmy “Charlie hustle” in the beginning you think he’s being facetious until you realize it was fully genuine

[@johnnymaximum3828]

howard only exist in fiction 😥

[@acat6145]

Do not ever lie when testifying that destroys your credibility as a witness

[@camselle]

no reason to Perjure himself on Jimmy's account

[@biggusdickus1689]

@@KeyMediaMA Never realized this use of the word Hustle's double meaning. Fantastic writing.

[@ComicalRealm]

There's something about Howard's voice that just commands respect and trust....could very well be a good salesman if he wasn't a lawyer

[@Arkenway]

"You're a shitty lawyer Howard but you're a great salesman, so get out there and sell"

[@unclefester2046]

Yeah I actually liked Howard, most of my buddy’s who watch the show didn’t 😂

[@unclefester2046]

@@Arkenway “Fuck you Jimmy”💀

[@westbrooksburner]

@@Arkenway thanks for commenting this for everyone else that was gonna 😂

[@dnabart]

Howard is the classic company boy.

[@debabratp]

'Who is the other Hamlin?' She really got him there, huh. Even Howard looked somewhat impressed.

[@planc3318]

Howard thinks very highly of Kim, everyone does lol

[@ryandwyer7248]

im a little stupid but how is that getting him? or was it just a stab at his morale?

[@droicut]

@@ryandwyer7248 it's to force Howard to admit that Chuck was the one that refused to hire Jimmy and it helps to build the case that Chuck hated Jimmy and was trying to sabotage his legal career

[@jkxss]

@@ryandwyer7248 2:06 Howard said Jimmy wasn't hired because it may appear as nepotism (Chuck is a partner). Kim questions the answer (nepotism) at 2:15 by making the point that Howard's father hired him (2:23).

[@ryandwyer7248]

@@jkxss ohhh shit

[@Erowid13]

i love Howard. outside of being a snob he's really not all that bad a person, we just don't like him cause he's straight lace in a world where we cheer for the bad guys lol.

[@royaltoadclub8322]

He wasn't even a snob. He didn't think that he was better than anyone.

[@l.augustinekhalafala5237]

Very true

[@kgoofy3297]

I know you’re right but somehow I cannot get past the knit ties lmfao

[@EvilSapphireR]

He's not a snob. He's the only good guy in the entire show honestly.

[@stonem0013]

@@royaltoadclub8322 not a snob? 'Hamlindigo Blue'??

[@craiglosi1182]

The oh so subtle “you got me” side smile Howard gives after asked who the other Hamlin is is a complete testament to Patrick Fabian’s grasp of this role

[@xardas149]

Not necessarily. His delievery is great, but there might as well be a literal "tiny smirk" in the script. Show has great writers and directors, it isnt always easy to know who did what from the outside

[@cirquedufreak6676]

@@xardas149 he still has to do it well. And he did it well.

[@jordyjohn2275]

@@xardas149 You don’t write gestures in a script. That’s for the directors and actors

[@Tribrachidiumheraldicum]

@@jordyjohn2275 That's just straight up not true you can put gestures, facial expressions, and body movements in a script.

[@drvacuum]

@@Tribrachidiumheraldicum its frowned upon to micro manage the actors and director in a script unless its integral to the story. and unlikely that they wrote it in in this case

[@sharrer2]

Howard Hamlin is the most tragic story in ALL of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. He had no horse in the game, no want to beat any system he didn't need too cause he was good enough to just be good enough. What a magnificently written character top to bottom.

[@DJGILDAWG]

I thought the same thing. He did not deserve that

[@soul0172]

I'm not sure he's the most tragic, even though he never got involved with the game he never really went through any of the tragedy that people like Jesse and Nacho did. He's an excellently written character nonetheless.

[@HunterShows]

He wasn't tragic at all until they randomly killed him off.

[@lewisgarner5615]

And everyone will think he was a addict and offed himself

[@steez3103]

​@@soul0172 i agree with you, i think jesse is the most tragic character but the most tragic death belongs to howard no doubt, nacho is second imo

[@ignacioanaya5840]

The sad thing about Howard is he always wanted be a solo practitioner, like Jimmy. But his father put him in HHM.

[@conormartin3476]

When does he say that?

[@necromancerz2240]

@@conormartin3476 I think it was when Kim left HHM, he and Kim had a little heart to heart. Them he tried to "steal" Mesa Verde from her by telling his secretary to call them immediately after.

[@JohnSmith-bn5mi]

Yet he never chose to leave. Dude just wanted the prestige but would never be caught dead doing the legwork or dumpster diving. He's got too much pride in his appearance and upbringing to actually make it on his own.

[@macfly6237]

@@JohnSmith-bn5mi I don’t think it’s prestige so much as he was put in a tough spot by his father and possibly chuck to stick with HHM. Just like how Nacho still works with his father. Some children stick with their parents not cause of prestige or money. Some children stick by them cause of love and loyalty/legacy. Kinda like how Nacho’s dad wanted his son to take over his shop when he died. Not saying it was right just that Howard may have been put in the spot when he passed the Bar.

[@JohnSmith-bn5mi]

@@macfly6237 You're right. I guess we'll never know the circumstances. Like we'll never know if Howard really wanted to build his own practice. Or if his dad would ever be able to find a suitable replacement. Howard had a choice. One not based out of financial requirement or a dream. He might love his dad, but he could always have turned it down.

[@sn4831]

Hamlin is the true manifestation of lawful good

[@stonem0013]

lawful neutral

[@sn4831]

@@stonem0013 Agree to disagree

[@AndraFebrian]

literally lawful

[@stonem0013]

@@sn4831 he runs a law firm that regularly/primarily represents morally dubious clients - big corporations, banks, etc. He worked Kim to death, and never gave her proper appreciation or promotion, forcing her to leave. A lawful good lawyer would be someone fighting for the little guy and using the law to make the world a better place. Hamlin's main priority is running a successful firm, which he inherited from his father.

[@stonem0013]

@@sn4831 Cab rank principle? You seem misinformed there, friend. There is no such principle for a law firm such as this. That applies to barristers. Hamlin specifically seeks out clients like banks, corporations, finance firms, etc. Jimmy even attacks Chuck at one point for representing such evil (albeit well heeled) clients. Ofc, Jimmy eventually ends up chaotic/neutral evil, so yes, Howard is still more moral as a lawful neutral.

[@ianaspinall7948]

Sad now seeing how genuine Howard's compliments towards Jimmy were

[@kauske]

Real compliments, but he never once stood up to Chuck for Jimmy. He let Jimmy's big bro do him dirty. I'd kinda hate the guy too. But Jimmy went overboard, he should have just cut ties with Howard and moved on. But I think Chuck manipulating him before the bar hearing, and that 'chimp with a machine gun' rant cut him to the core, he's hurt and lashed out, Chuck was dead, so Howard became his target.

[@HunterShows]

@@kauske It was Kim's idea. Jimmy wanted to leave him alone.

[@kauske]

@@HunterShows They were both in it together. But that's not the point, the point is Howard isn't as innocent as people are painting him. Granted, he definitely doesn't deserve what Jimmy, or more importantly, Lalo ended up doing to him.

[@futuremovieactor]

Anitov I agree that as good deep down as Howard truly was, he had his flaws and his checkered history with Jimmy and Kim led them to want to wreck his career. They thought the damage could be undone and it certainly wasn't beyond repair…at least not until Lalo put a bullet in his head-something neither of them dreamed would ever happen.

[@ekhowo1475]

Calling someone “Charlie hustle” is not a genuine compliment lol

[@LazyR]

I like 2:15 so much. Kim has him cornered and the slightest smile shows he is kind of proud of her and the growth she made since she started as a law student at his firm. The acting/cast and attention to detail in this show are Incredible.

[@MrBarakados]

It's incredible how subtle the shift in his energy is.

[@isaiahw9436]

That’s why I like it more than breaking bad. (Both awesome but Better call Saul have more in depth characters

[@JayDeeIsMyName]

Growth then, and look at them now.

[@evangelostse2477]

And then it's repaid with the worst kind of treachery.

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

Yes that's nice and all but those kinds of "elite" reactions are what ticked Kim&Jimmy's reactions the most. Which worked perfectly well for Howard's character. Yes at first Jimmy and Kim were currying favours from the big names but they pulled tricks and cons that can by pass authority yet these big names can act haughty and mighty with them showing approval with a little smirk or eyebrow movement.

[@steadyjumper3547]

The fact that Howard speaks highly of Jimmy on the first question of the character analyst. God he’s such a good dude. He always saw the best in people but Jimmy just took it too far.

[@user-dh9cu5bb6h]

I can't imagine how Cliff feels when he knows Howard's gone.

[@VersaceJesus]

Hamlin speaks highly of Jimmy because he feels guilty about being too weak to stand up to Chuck. Kim calls him out on this later on. His motivation for trying to make amends is simply because he wants to feel better. Instead of doing the right thing initially

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

@@VersaceJesus what right thing? Are you gonna hire your business partner's brother if your business partner himself vehemently opposes it? If you do, how's that the right thing?

[@threenumbnuts]

@@iwatchwithnoads7480 Right? I know Jimmy's the protagonist so we're seeing the show from his perspective, but it's silly how tunnel-visioned people get with his point of view. It's bad business. It shouldn't even cross your mind to try and fight your partner over it: he's known his brother his whole life, you've known him for a few years. You'd need a fantastic reason to overrule his expertise.

[@pinkmenace6836]

i also think that jimmy projected his issues with chuck who treated him horribly onto howard because after chucks death he never was able to reach any resolution. What’s interesting though is that Kim seems much more intent on destroying Howard than Jimmy. Jimmy goes along with it and enjoys the thrill but Kim is the one who is making the plans and seems most concerned with the plot going through. Howard was douchey to Kim but I’m still a bit confused as to why she was so set on this plot.

[@DG-nq5ex]

Some people are so clueless that they still think, after 5 seasons, that Howard is a bad guy. He and Mike are the most decent substantive characters

[@We_Are_Borg_478]

Howard comes off as fake, especially in congratulating people or offering sympathy, but people take this as an act of evil. If that's true, there is a special place in hell for me.

[@spinnyboi5659]

Wow look a smart better call saul fan. Very rare

[@joebordeleau8892]

@@spinnyboi5659 just like you, right ol' boy?

[@sonoftheway3528]

@@spinnyboi5659 i mean smart humans are rare

[@timonfischer6515]

Mike is decent? Did you even watch the series?

[@definitelynosebreather]

The worst thing about Jimmy (and Kim) treating Howard bad is Howard always looks like he liked Jimmy. Even in this scene, Howard was the one who gave the nickname "Charlie Hustle". At the very least Howard wasn't against Jimmy working as a lawyer (Chuck who denied it), in the board scene Howard always asked Jimmy opinion if he felt he was uncomfortable with a particular decision, and Howard later on invited Jimmy to work at HHM. Anyway, I hope Jimmy-Kim plot against Howard fails miserably, he deserves better..

[@topgoers]

Knowing vince, that plot most likely will happen lol

[@MetalMarauder]

I doubt it will fail. I think it will succeed beyond their expectations, in the worst way.

[@pedrocosta3311]

@@MetalMarauder Makes sense. Since I remember, in lasts seasons Howard was looking like in a downfall perspective in life, seeming desperate, having insomnia and other problems. Maybe what Kim thinks will only be a career setback can be something much worse, considering that Howard can possibly be in that condition.

[@Tomson419]

@@pedrocosta3311 or it bickfires against kim and jim marking the beggining of kim's downfall

[@NaptownClassic]

"Charlie Hustle" is not an affectionate nickname. It is an insult, a slick way of saying someone has no integrity. I know it sounds like you're saying someone works hard or some such, but that it not what it means. Pete Rose was nicknamed Charlie Hustle, and since then the name has become synonymous with cheats, liars and gamblers. I can't know why Howard chose that nickname for Jimmy, but it very easily could have been due to Chuck telling him stories about "Slippin' Jimmy".

[@Raptorman0205]

"...he was hired by Davis & Main, I'd be happy to talk more about that, if you like." Interesting counter by Howard to try to cut into Kim's attempt to paint Jimmy as a hard, upstanding Lawyer lol, even though she didn't pursue that line of thought the jury had to have heard something about how that job went for Slippin Jimmy =P

[@hansolo2121]

@Raptormann0205 There was no jury at this hearing.....

[@HoRuHe7s]

What he could say about that? Jimmy wore colorful suits and didn't flush one time and got fired for that? what a disaster, if he talks about it the only one embarrased would be Cliff not Jimmy.

[@lawinaabraham3073]

@@HoRuHe7s Wore cheap colorful suits, didn't flush 3 times* (after a nr 2 ), made a mess with that blender in the kitchen, started loudly playing bagpipes inside the building for no discernible reason other than to disturb the peace and obstruct the workflow. Ditches Erin several times when it would have been more productive to work together. Was assigned a "babysitter", aka Erin which, again, probably made her split her own work in order to keep an eye on Jimmy, again, counter-productive. And ofc the infamous advertisement controversy, where he aired a commercial using the company's name without properly consulting nor telling anyone about it. Nah Jimmy absolutely deserved to be fired and if all his shenanigans at Davis&Main had been disclosed in court the judges would not have been so sympathetic.

[@redhood444]

It wouldn’t have helped Howard’s case tbh. Jimmy didn’t lose any cases or commit a crime he was just wacky which isn’t a crime. If anything it shows why Howard should’ve hired jimmy because they understood his character

[@John-rq6lr]

he was basically saying "stop painting my firm as the bad guy for not hiring him and move to the next subject."

[@saratc660]

1:24 I love that Kim smiles as she asks what Howard’s opinion of Jimmy was. She knew he would answer honestly and positively about Jimmy

[@josephstalin2606]

Even Jimmy gave a half smile hearing Howard refer to him as a hard worker

[@inderpalsingh422]

This show is probably the best-written show. Kudos to the writers

[@sw2de3fr4gt]

I wonder if the writers put in HHM from the very beginning just for this scene.

[@babypanthersjr]

Who else is watching Howard clips in remembrance?

[@extraordinarygamer937]

Me

[@thosediamonddreams]

ME 😭

[@CatieCass]

Me! 😞😞😞😞

[@NathanEllis]

Um spoiler

[@iChiief]

F

[@WhiteWolf496]

In a show full of memorable episodes and an episode full of memorable scenes this one still manages to stand out for me. (They all do) Patrick Fabian is so good!!!!! And Howard looks honestly kinda proud of Kim on the whole nepotism thing.

[@seanbyrne7927]

Yeah this was a great scene. Still my favourite has to be Mikes monologue about his sons death and how he tainted him before he died. You don’t see Mike that emotional ever. Probably one of the best monologues in television.

[@IncredibleFulk1]

It’s absolutely surreal and tragic that Howard is buried underneath Gus’ lab that Walt would eventually work in. Just buried and almost forgotten. It’s tragic for him. He deserved so much better! Thank you Patrick Fabian!

[@tigrispanthera5496]

fr 💔 he was my fav

[@kevinakers9133]

“Which partner was the most concerned with nepotism” I could watch that part a million times and never bore of it. The delivery. Perfect.

[@expomm]

When Howard died, it was the moment I realised how great character he was within the series, this goes in hand of the great performance of Patrick Fabian

[@damplamp3259]

Thanks for the spoiler

[@expomm]

@@damplamp3259 dude this show is already a classic, has been out there for ages, you need to keep up!! 😂

[@That0therGeorge]

I get why Jimmy takes issue with the man, but I've still always really admired Howard.

[@CJonesApple]

Howard did right by Jimmy. He took the heat from Chuck for the sake of the brother's relationship. He truly did respect him and wanted him to succeed. Trouble is Jimmy is Slippin Jimmy, he's Saul Goodman, he's ultimately a bad egg. It was always going to go that way.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@CJonesApple I think Howard and Saul would've gotten along fine if not for Chuck.

[@TheActionBrick]

Good seeing you here. Agreed!

[@That0therGeorge]

@@TheActionBrick Ayyyy hello there!

[@jake384100]

@@CJonesApple there is no such thing as a bad egg

[@baileycrombie2267]

Ever since I found out it was Chuck that was causing all of the problems with Jimmy and HHM, I forgave Howard and honestly started to feel bad for him towards the end

[@RabidNemo]

It's especially sad where you consider where things ended.

[@Alfie02]

He was the hank of better call saul

[@RabidNemo]

@@Alfie02 He wasn't as good of an attorney as Hank was a cop

[@raiderrocker18]

its even worse. when jimmy brings hhm the sandpiper case and assumes he's going to work with them at their office, howard says they dont want him working there. and chuck goes on this fake "howard, i cant believe this" rant, and howard just has to sit there and take it, knowing that chuck is forcing him to be the bad guy and also egging it on

[@based-ys9um]

Everyone did . Thanks for stating the obvious.

[@stocktonjoans]

Howard is such a great character, i can't wait to see how his character develops

[@carlitoT-T]

:(

[@maugt0567]

he didn't deserve that

[@stocktonjoans]

@@maugt0567 he sure did win the bad timing award

[@felipegoulart9370]

Booooy do I have news for you

[@user-dh9cu5bb6h]

The ending wiil tear your heart apart.

[@Atty1997]

can we all agree that Chicanery is the best ever episode in BCS

[@Alex_Lagogianis]

That and Lantern are masterpieces of television

[@codger08]

Five-O from the first season is brilliant too 💯👌

[@markfish8403]

Gotta just love the word chicanery itself, I hope that I can fit that into an argument someday, maybe after the next variant is released, umm, I mean evolves, ahh, or whatever. Don't quote me on that one.

[@theWn123]

This and bad choice road

[@andrewmartin7697]

Bagman and Five-O

[@M0rmagil]

“My father” 😂😂😂

[@matthewriley7826]

Lol if Chuck was there I could imagine him saying “Who worked out of a two room office when I joined him.”

[@codger08]

@@matthewriley7826 👏👏🤣🤣

[@randomdude4816]

One of the greatest episodes of BCS/BB ever.

[@PepsMtz]

Howard is such a nice guy, too bad he got bullied by jimmy and even kim.

[@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730]

he deserved it for cowtowing to chuck

[@jahanzaibjamshed6853]

@@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730 respectfully i disagree, he was looking after his partner and his firm's best interest

[@prot07ype87]

@@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730 kowtowing*

[@timonfischer6515]

He couldve warned Jimmy that Chuck was fucking him. He knew that Jimmy was an awesome brother, who did everything for Chuck but still allowed all that drama instead of pursuading Chuck otherwise. Then the way He treats Ernie and his employees is unfair and arrogant. Putting Kim in the cornfield, leaving her there and stealing her client was legal but ruthless at best. But the punishment for his moral douchbaggery was perfect: Being stuck with a crazy lunatic, tormenting him even from death.

[@NeoCreo1]

@@timonfischer6515 Except that he COULDN’T. Warn Jimmy about it. He could not possibly risk pissing off a named partner just to warn someone that their brother was an ass. He also knew that telling Jimmy would lead to the disintegration of his and Chuck’s relationship, so he kept it quiet and allowed Jimmy to believe he was behind it

[@codger08]

Howard seems like the kind of guy that would take a ride on a carnival cruise and only pay for a tug boat

[@eiffel0108]

Joe Dawg ain't happy!

[@glennwallace7995]

@@eiffel0108 He doesn't know any Joe Dog or...tugboat

[@macewindau3060]

The way he says tug boat always destroys me lol

[@tigrispanthera5496]

the good old days where all we worried about was this “case” 😭

[@dadiscoverychannel]

This scene has become 10 times better since the latest episodes came out. What a show

[@rizzorizzo2311]

Rhea Seahorn and Patrick Fabian always have such a great chemistry in their scenes together.

[@baddabaddabaddaswing]

I love how Howard is proud of Kim during this, despite being "the enemy".

[@Toven_WaveWatcherFi]

Hamlin could've lied here, to further help Chuck, but he didn't. He was truly a good person.

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

Lied about what? That Jimmy was so violent that he destroyed the door in one punch and shrapnels injured them both? Chuck has been harassing them while suffering from mental illness but nobody gave him the psychiatric help he needed. And despite being the Second "H" in the firm he remained third fiddle to his dead dad and mentally ill 3rd partner. He actually showed incompetence as a partner.

[@KanderUdon]

Rip Howard, you didn’t deserve this

[@user-dh9cu5bb6h]

He didn't even have his last word finish. What a tragedy!

[@kevinreynaga6340]

Wow thanks for the spoilers

[@josemexicanmexican7602]

He deserved worse. He got off easy

[@thosediamonddreams]

@@kevinreynaga6340 Why are you watching clips on youtube and *reading comments* on a show that's in the middle of its final season if you haven't finished it?? You should know better lmao

[@Ch4rlz_ThA_Princ3]

@@kevinreynaga6340 lol yall love to pretend you were offended by spoilers. Its like an addiction.

[@iiCamaxtli]

Howard was never necessarily a "bad guy" so I'm kind of sad that Kim will try to ruin him in Season 6

[@planc3318]

It’s almost certainly gonna ruin Kim

[@rodrigomunoz9217]

which thing of season 5 make you think that she wants that? (i don’t recall)

[@AquarialTV]

@@rodrigomunoz9217 the part where she literally says "let's ruin howard's career" at the end of the season

[@Hysteria98]

That's what makes it such conflicting television. You WANT to hate Howard but you know you can't because he's so ethically correct compared to everyone else. And now the Golden Girl wants to destroy him for some unknown reason, and even Jimmy is taken aback and knows that even Howard doesn't really deserve that level of spite.

[@pbluma]

@@Hysteria98 unknown reason, lmao.

[@francisburgess5239]

I’ve not liked how Kim and Jimmy have treated Howard since about S3. He was a dickhead to them at points, yes. But they of all people would know that Chuck was pulling his strings. I just don’t see any upside in them being dickheads to him (Jimmy in the job offer fiasco and Kim losing her shit at him). I think Howard seems a decent guy and it’s gonna be interesting to see how Kim’s arc goes from here

[@AD-hy2se]

Yeah I don’t understand why Jimmy hates Howard so much when Howard’s tried to help him quite a lot. Maybe he’s just looking for someone to blame for chucks death.

[@whyohwhy9679]

@A D Howard was willing to take the blame for Chuck not wanting to hire Jimmy. He was loyal to Chuck on HHM's behalf, but he was also kind to Jimmy by not letting him know how much Chuck hated his own brother. I do think Jimmy had to take out his grief on someone, and not knowing how Howard protected him, Howard was the most convenient/symbolic target.

[@thedarkknight9153]

He was out of line throwing Kim in doc review for making an honest mistake

[@iamphoenix6310]

Kym and Jimmy absolutely a brilliant team, nepotism was a great opener

[@demon5928]

Kym?

[@iamphoenix6310]

@@demon5928 apologies, Kim

[@xxczerxx]

There isn't a character out there that quite does the bait-and-switch like Howard. It took me like 4 seasons to realise he was actually a good guy

[@wisemage0]

Gosh, this Howard fellow seems like an upstanding citizen. I hope nothing terrible happens to him.

[@xanx3572]

too soon

[@bernhardhofer3798]

NOT

[@TheGoldenTuba]

This scene totally hits different now

[@whitworth5s248]

Gosh, this scene has literally nothing to do with a future scene that people may or may not have seen yet. I sure hope no human garbage in the comments section spoils that other completely unrelated future scene in a sad appeal for worthless updoots.

[@xanx3572]

@@whitworth5s248 i think you're a bit late

[@cassandrahoward9800]

I can never look at Howard the same way again.

[@paolof.6899]

I always got the feeling that Howard actually liked Jimmy more than his brother and just really disliked they wouldn't move past it

[@christiancoates609]

I love how he called him 'Charlie Hustle' as a backhanded compliment. All the talent and skill in the world, but you know he's going to cut corners (bet on the game).

[@antonchigurh7227]

Just to there's absolutely no room for misinterpretation there was never no evidence or insinuation that Rose ever bet on games involving his own Reds

[@narlabegins]

I'm not from the US, what does Charlie Hustle mean?

[@jamesweldon5700]

@@narlabegins nickname for Pete Rose, an mlb player who was known for always hustling and trying one hundred percent, he was later indefinitely suspended from the league for betting on baseball games while managing the Reds, he was also still playing at the time while managing, very interesting person in their own right, Charlie Hustle was his nick name and just meant give one hundred percent

[@Widderic]

"A fireplace implement." Hamlin always had an eloquent way with words. Most likely due to spending a great deal of time with Chuck during his career.

[@DaMightyHuuma]

Tells a lot about a shows writing when you have this many people this confused. All the information is there but packed so densely and in such creative places

[@gpeddino]

Howard's reaction at 2:18 is priceless. Patrick Fabian's performance is outstanding. Too bad it is ofter overlooked, maybe due to many other excellent actors in the show.

[@Gswfansince2015]

Howard became one of the best characters in bcs over the seasons

[@maicoxmauler2825]

So sad he had to turn to drugs. At least he's in a better place now.

[@magnawiz]

Yes, addiction is a disease. He was a good lawyer and a Hell of a guy. What else is there to say?

[@justicedemocrat9357]

Howard seems like a normal guy and showed Jimmy professional courtesy I really think he wouldn't have had a problem bringing Jimmy in as an associate.

[@kenjisxsad5404]

Jimmy has a problem with that though because of his grief over Chuck and things like that

[@Ne0MT]

at this very moment Ted Beneke is buying a peculiar rug to go with his kitchen

[@mrautismo420]

Foreshadowing the forever change of trajectory in his life. Bravo Vince!

[@brettzforeman]

"What was your opinion of him at the time?" "You two are perfect for each other. You're two sociopaths. You're like Leopold and Loeb."

[@snowarmth]

ALRIGHT, THAT'S ENOUGH

[@csw177]

Howard: "Eventually he was hired by the firm of Davis and Main. I'd be happy to say more about that if you'd like. Kim: "nope."

[@froderickfettuccine8983]

Now watching all of these makes me depressed

[@tigrispanthera5496]

same he was my fav 💔

[@bolshevi3187]

The fact that this series got better and better is an absolute marvel. Seeing how these characters end make these segments all the more brilliant and tragic. In the shadow of a giant (Breaking Bad), this series stepped to the side and carved its own space.

[@mislavkirchbaumer]

What the hell are they gonna do to Howard I can't wait

[@dogesplosion8084]

RIP HOWARD

[@masterzombie161]

Howard is the kind of guy who would accept a piece of a cake from you, then tell you at your own party you will not be working at his firm.

[@jammin2575]

Eh, he definitely had respect for Jimmy and was strong armed from hiring him as an associate due to Charles objections. His abuse of Kim was definitely weird and definitely showed a darker side to his usual good nature.

[@masterzombie161]

@@jammin2575 yeah Howard screwed Kim over twice, explains why she now is on a war path against him. Howard built her up only to throw her away. Chuck didn’t help either, this woman dedicated decades of her life to them, and they threw her away.

[@DaMightyHuuma]

@@masterzombie161 Chuck was involved in both cases and the bad things Howard did were complying to Chuck when he could have intervened. Why would you spend significant resources on building something you'll tear down anyway

[@Chthonian121]

Howard is the kind of guy to have an automatic shoe shiner in his house

[@ADreamingTraveler]

Except Howard did ask Jimmy to work for his firm. Once Chuck was out of the picture Howard started treating him so much better. Howard always liked Jimmy. It was Chuck that made it complicated

[@EverGreen1888]

This further reiterates that Howard is actually a decent guy and actually has a lot of affection for Jimmy. Sure, he was hard on Kim but she has arguably become a better lawyer because of it. Like Jimmy, he idolized Chuck and only wanted his admiration Watching Season 6 now really shows the depths Kim and Jimmy are going down by framing Howard for Kim's benefit

[@suleymanbabak1973]

well, to be fair, he jumped on Mesa Verde as soon as Kim left. That was a dick move on his part.

[@EverGreen1888]

@@suleymanbabak1973 That was more a business decision...although Me labelling him as "decent" while being a lawyer professionally is probably a stretch in fairness!

[@jangofett191]

Rip Howard Hamlin. You truly were an amazing, stand up character who tried his best to better himself and right his wrongs. Namast3 👔

[@handsomeburrito9026]

It’s funny how if we had a show of Howard side of the story we would see him as the Hero and Jimmy as the Villain

[@AndereundIch]

Jimmy was the Villain. Didn't you see the show?

[@handsomeburrito9026]

well yes but no@@AndereundIch

[@maicoxmauler2825]

Hopefully someone gives this guy a shot. He's dying to give them a piece of his mind.

[@fzxfzxfzx]

😭

[@bootlegpbj3767]

My absolute favorite line in this episode is the “Charles McGill is not the subject of this hearing” oh, but he is, he just wasn’t scheduled to be

[@longlivedruby8854]

Howard, like Skylar in Breaking Bad, is a character that most people who watch the show hate for practically no reason. It’s amazing how these shows turn the bad guys into the protagonists by showing their POV rather than the good guys’ (and through fantastic writing lol)

[@Ryan88881]

I disagree. Howard is one of those characters you learn to like more as you see more of where he's coming from. At first he may seem like the typical "bad guy" in movies or even like some weird jock but I think that quickly changes and they make that easy for the viewer to see because they go out of their way to humanize his character a lot. Chuck was the "skyler" of the show. The writers were able to keep chuck and skyler's characters unlikable from virtually all angles without making it unrealistic. I think a lot of viewers side with Howard and his character even though they may "root" more for Jimmy in a given scene. I think most viewers just want Howard and Jimmy to get along.

[@martiananomaly]

I never hated Howard

[@matthewriley7826]

That’s a good point, and it’s even more pronounced with his support of Chuck who’s been compared to Walter. Going along with their schemes but putting their foot down when they go too far and suffering for it.

[@longlivedruby8854]

@@Ryan88881 I would agree with that, except that I personally wanted chuck and jimmy to get along more so than jimmy and Howard, but I would have to agree that as the show went on I did root for Howard more often

[@alphanerd7221]

@navigate48 okay crazy person.

[@mothman5025]

We can rebuild him

[@cristobalvera4698]

RIP to one of the purest characters in BCS/BB Universe

[@bigbadwolf4075]

RIP Howard!

[@rickli84]

I actually quite like Howard as a co-worker, always put the firm's interests first!

[@austinhernandez2716]

I always felt bad for Howard. He seems like an innocent character

[@EvPrimus]

Howard had principles, a man who would go down with the ship and know when he lost. Thats why he's my favorite character in the show.

[@noahdb100]

Rip Howard.

[@Deepskies268]

This is when Howard Hamlin became Howard.... uhm...... just Howard.

[@greenandwhite101]

This show needs to comeback. Where is it?! This whole universe starting with breaking bad is genius writing and masterful story telling.

[@JHauxx]

Season 6 should be coming out this spring,

[@kenjisxsad5404]

It'll come back soon

[@cadengericke5652]

Wish season 5 was out on Netflix

[@rypdx]

@@cadengericke5652 it is now at least In Canadian servers lol

[@PRubin-rh4sr]

@@cadengericke5652 Everything is out in the internet. Just know where to look

[@supersaiyanzero386]

MUST REWATCH ENTIRE SHOW. Starting tonight. But I'm also rewatching breaking bad with a companion book. Choices man. I only have time for one binge per night lol. It starts off great and continues to get better with season 5 being one of the best things ever on TV. (kinda like s5 of Breaking Bad)

[@supersaiyanzero386]

(I rewatched both, enjoyed every second, again)

[@echarts3710]

While everyone was focused on Jimmy vs. Chuck in this episode, there was also the rivalry of Kim vs. Howard that was growing since HHM's treatment on Kim in season 2.

[@johnhein2539]

Charlie Hustle is a lot nicer name than Slippin' Jimmy which brings up some of Saul's most demeaning cons he did for money. Though "Charlie' kind of evokes his brother's name, kind of implying he was breaking his back to BECOME his brother, which might not have sit right with Jimmy even if it was true.

[@penndavis471]

I’ve seen this scene a dozen times and only just noticed Kim’s cute smile at jimmy at 1:40 she’s the best

[@b1157]

Howard is the most underrated character. Patrick Fabian is a class act.

[@DwayneHicks426]

Knowing what we know, Howard has been the most honest.

[@shrimpguy6900]

This scene was incredible. It was the beginning of us understanding Howard isn’t a bad guy

[@marifbagizada356]

Someone should make a tribute video for him.

[@kroolini3678]

that's cringe

[@JoJo-fj7yi]

You can see Howard liked Jimmy, the only parts he didn’t like was because of what Chuck was telling him. The saying goes “if you’re told something enough you start to believe it”. I think Chuck was a big reason Saul was created and Jimmy wasn’t able to flourish as a lawyer he was earlier in the series. (Especially because he didn’t want him to be hired) I think if Howard had a backbone and stood up to Chuck’s jealousy and bitterness toward Jimmy, he would still be alive today and have the respect of Kim and Jimmy. But he stood up too late to Chuck, and Chucks damage to Jimmy was already done. Thus Jimmy and Kim lost all respect for Howard. Jimmy had issues before, don’t get me wrong, but maybe having Chuck not call him a liar constantly and believing in him would have helped turn him into a better person

[@kauske]

Exactly this, Chuck didn't try to help Jimmy up, or guide him along, he kicked his brother down and was angry he'd dare to try and be more than a mailroom monkey.

[@edwartvonfectonia4362]

OkBuddyChicanery moment.

[@americantoastman7296]

Lmao

[@prot07ype87]

doge

[@ElVicioMan]

The thumbnail of this video makes it seem like Howard is in The Office lmao

[@sasaha8389]

RIP Howard :( The wrong place at the wrong time...

[@ozanareyiz7773]

?How so troll? Did you watch the same show?

[@sasaha8389]

are you dumb?@@ozanareyiz7773

[@JJchi834]

Chuck's mistreatment of Jimmy probaly played a part in creating Saul, otherwise he could've become a legit lawyer

[@MarcoBoneMan]

I hope Vince and the team have the creative reserves left to continue expanding this universe, it seems like they not only never miss but only keep raising the bar.

[@FTsingos]

What I love about these writers and their character development is how they create these complex human characteristics. Jimmy (in the BCS timeline/NOT the breaking bad timeline) ofen didthe wrong things for the right reasons. Chuck, on the other hand, did the right things for the wrong reasons.

[@yinzerghost]

This is truly the moment Howard becomes Walter White.

[@PRIMETIMETRAPPING]

Seems like he was in the middle of something 🤔

[@Grilnid]

2:50 "Don't stray too far. Charles McGill is not the subject of this hearing" He most certainly is but not one in the room is aware of it yet. Except Jimmy.

[@VictorBello-nw9nv]

It will take some time before we see another show with that level... The writing, the characters... I wish we had more seasons !

[@alonsobruni8131]

RIP :'(

[@WrangleMcDangle]

Something I love about Howard and that I picked up on right away is how he always carries himself upright and proud almost. His shoulders are always high and his back is straight, often he puts his chin up a bit. It's all subtle but it hammers home his characters biggest trait (imo), his pride. When he's drunk or manic he loses control of this proud demeanor and slumps his shoulders and drops his head. Fantastic physical acting from Patrick Fabian.

[@DrBluefox]

rip Howard, he was never the bad guy

[@HRA2342]

Great acting, great writing, great everything

[@mustaquimahmedtanbeer2437]

I think Howard is a better person than Chuck and Kim.

[@ExternusArmy]

Sure although he’s boring. Kim gives life a sense of spiciness

[@definitelynosebreather]

The only scenes I hated Kim was when she was shouting at Howard's face, that was so uncalled for. I like how he kept his poise.

[@darkprince9064]

Howard and his charisma is very articulate but he was spiteful. Kim was right yelling at his face!

[@houseofdny]

That bit has never, ever left me. Perfection.

[@IAmNumber4000]

3:05 Kim’s frown and “Nope” cracks me up 😂

[@TheSOGE_KING]

The thumbnail looked like it was an office clip

[@mgkpraesi]

One of my fav episodes.

[@antoniusbanderas1565]

Bravo Vince!!!!