Howard Stern - Sam Kinnison accuses Bobcat Goldthwait of stealing his act

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[@heggysarchive]

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[@JosephScott-ct9sw]

Early Bobcat was an Andy Kaufman-like comic. He raised his voice for no apparent reason like a psycho, which was the joke, whereas Kinison raised his voice on punchlines, basically

[@jamescarter3196]

Totally, I've watched a lot of both and the only similarity is 'high-energy comics'. Bob was like 'crazy drug guy' with a lot of non-sequiturs like "Scott Baio is the antichrist" (one of the most-prescient things ever said in the '80s), and Sam was specifically a 'pissed off about women' guy, with a very different and very angry vibe.

[@GPSjammer]

comparing Goldthwait to Kaufman is a travesty

[@silversnail1413]

I saw an interview with Bobcat a while back where he was talking about Sam and he basically said "I'm glad he's dead." Brutally hilarious.

[@okigi-wo5zm]

​@@silversnail1413bob had one good joke his whole career.

[@nickaschenbecker9882]

Kinison started his act, not as a comedian, but as a Pentecostal preacher like his father was. Nothing like the Bobcat. Never heard about this beef before and kinda wonder if this was just a fake beef like what they do in WWF/WWE. I'm also perfectly willing to believe that Scott Baio is the Antichrist.

[@ltjon1924]

This just makes me love Sam that much more!

[@alp852]

It’s the battle of randomly screaming 80s comedians -

[@MickLunch]

Nothing funnier than a comic who can't take a joke

[@alexdee6776]

It’s a stretch to call Artie a comedian but he was the worst with that

[@GuyWithTheThingOnTheTable]

What are you going to do Sam? "I'm gonna be afraid of your scary talent"

[@johngray6719]

I heard this live. It was around 89 and I have it on cassette somewhere. Epic.

[@kevinburke6055]

It was probably 1987 Scrooged came out in 1988 so figured they filmed it a year earlier

[@jamegumm]

Golthwait trashes Howard and Sam in a standup special after this

[@thequackpackattack9250]

Sam comes off as a total prick😂😂😂😂I love it.

[@STR82DVD]

I'm willing to guess because he was

[@hashfingers]

Cocaine!

[@STR82DVD]

@@Boyhowdy875 Well, with that level of certainty, you've chosen the right alias for yourself.

[@SofaKingWeTodEd666]

i love how bobcat travelled back in time before kinnison's career started and stole his act.

[@grvlpts]

I love how you stole this joke.

[@SofaKingWeTodEd666]

@@grvlpts I did? Oh mah gawd! **mind blown**

[@iainherridge6253]

​@@SofaKingWeTodEd666yeah exactly Bobcat was year's ahead of Sam!

[@alistairproductions]

Bobcat wasnt funny at all

[@elescritorsecreto]

This is kinda like Jerry Seinfeld accusing other comedians of stealing his observational comedy.

[@tsize869]

Sam was so rock n roll. He's in my top 5. If anyone has the clip where he makes Judy Tenuta cry on stern I'd love it

[@Nichole-440HP]

he accused Dice of stealing his rock and roll comic shtick lol

[@paulsmith9192]

Crazy to hear bob talk normal.I always thought he had something wrong with his voice

[@tomwalsh63]

Sam spirals when he is on coke. He gets so fucking defensive

[@gsvnj33128]

Sam Kinison sounds like an angry Big Bird.

[@GatekeeperofOld]

😂

[@jamescarter3196]

In retrospect he comes off a lot like Cartman as an adult, still totally petulant and full of himself and screeching about why women aren't fawning over him.

[@gsvnj33128]

@@jamescarter3196 😂

[@tenissinclair3659]

HIIIII BIIIIIRD.

[@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150]

​@@jamescarter3196 SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GOING HOME!

[@justiceofthecross]

Sounds like Sam was jealous. Angry, drunk, and jealous isn't a good look for a comedian. When Sam's star started falling he started blaming everyone else like Dice and Bobcat. I don't think Kinison could have done either of their comedy. He just screams.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

Sam had the yelling gimmick but he was a good comic but then he became a caricature of himself.

[@TheRockinDonkey]

Not gonna lie, loved Bob's stuff. He's still hilarious.

[@colderbeer]

What other washed up nobodies do you like?

[@TheRockinDonkey]

@@colderbeer Well, I kinda like you.

[@scotttrent4721]

The main difference between them is that Bobcat Goldthwait is actually funny

[@STR82DVD]

Agreed.

[@walkerpercy8702]

Uh by using his crazy stupid voice that's completely unfunny?

[@okigi-wo5zm]

​@@STR82DVDyeah sure. Bob had like the same two jokes his whole career. I lost my job wife there's this new guy doing it. Plus bob was artificial.

[@elafarr]

Wrong

[@williamjames648]

You can't be serious Kinneson is a God compared to bobcat foolsgoldwaith

[@Stonehopper1067HMG]

Coked out Sam was paranoid of everyone.

[@sw1shannon]

Never thought Kinniston was that funny . Bob has got even better with age . Bob is much better .

[@ricardocantoral7672]

Wow, a rare time when Robin said something intelligent.

[@matthewgabbard6415]

All I'm going to say is that Bobcat hung out with Nirvana, and Sam hung out with Bon Jovi

[@Rjensen2]

So?

[@patflaherty307]

And???

[@opaljk4835]

@@Rjensen2implication being Sam Kinison and Bon Jovi are lame

[@Rjensen2]

@@opaljk4835 🙄

[@opaljk4835]

@@Rjensen2 I think they both have their moments, but ultimately aren’t anywhere near something I would consider the best

[@colbyjames7255]

The fake voice and fake persona is a device comedians use to protect themselves. No matter what a heckler or assailant says or does against them, it doesn't matter, because that's not really them. It's a weird form of extroverted disassociation. Bobcat grew out of that and has become more transparent. So let it slide. I don't know of any other comedian who has come more out of the closet about what show biz is really like than him.

[@mikekeith2029]

Gary said “he goes off the road” oof

[@grvlpts]

I noticed that, too. However, having been hit by a drunk driver who veered into his lane, strictly speaking, he didn't "go off the road".

[@Adarkane325xi]

This is the only time i’ve seen Howard be dominated in a conversation. Sam Kinison was a force of nature, RIP.

[@roems6396]

That’s any conversation with an angry drunk.

[@RobertEllis-e7p]

He was a fat, not funny drug addict and alcoholic!

[@adamchapman3358]

I didn't realize Sam had such a drinking problem. Both comedians are funny and different styles.

[@johnbarroll1120]

Hilaaaaaaaarious!!!!!!! tears are in my eyes.

[@JaredJalapeno]

Dude Sam was drunk and grouchy as heck. Leave poor Bobcat alone bro.

[@conjandysecurity]

Sam didn't like sharing laughs.

[@DistrustHumanz]

The old phrase 'time will tell' rings true here. Bobcat has gone on the become a respected and successful producer in the industry. Sam's legacy is hatefully judging others and dying a drug addict.

[@heggysarchive]

Hi Bob!

[@MrFtge]

Neither of those have any bearing on them as standups though...

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@heggysarchive 🤣

[@jaredmehrlich6683]

I never equated or compared or thought Kinison and Bobcat were anything alike at all. I was in Portland so we didn't get Stern till 1998 on radio. We did have the E! Show. .. So at the time .. I knew nothing of this .. Kinison is out of order I believe. Bobcat was nothing like Kinison. Two separate gags completely. Kinison was an edgy dark comic.. Bobcat was a goofy bum cartoon character .. I don't see any correlation.

[@jeremyniemeyer1255]

Lol, Sam Kinison "edgy". If your definition of that word is "funny=coming out on stage with women in chains and screaming about brown people from the Middle East" then you need to pick up a fucking dictionary.

[@justpalms9978]

Yeah same here. Grew up in the era and was huge fans of both. I’ve never even thought of those two being similar at all.

[@alistairproductions]

Bobcat was do so unfunny that he shouldn't have even worried about it

[@Teeveepicksures]

Never really had a dog in this fight, Bobcat was pretty funny and imo never came across as a dick. Sam really was just jealous but couldnt admit it.

[@PlutoTheGod]

Bobcat being funny is subjective so I won’t start with that, but it’s pretty much the opposite bro. Kinnison was way more famous & successful so Bobcat started to poke at him and talk shit about what a horrible person he is and that he steals acts in the media then whenever Sam would confront him he’d put on a Leno and act like he did nothing. It’s been many years since Sam died and Bobcat is still going to the media saying Sam is a misogynist, a friend of terrorists, a druggie, a bully etc. he even has said he’s glad Sam died. Like that’s all you need to know about that piece of shit bobcat. He’s STILL mad about a dumb feud and attacking a dead man’s character.

[@imtheman4805]

“Bobcat was pretty funny“ Bobcat was maybe funny … sometimes funny … could’ve been funny … might be funny. That’s resounding appreciation of semi-mediocrity!

[@arthurbrown4984]

​@@imtheman4805 What do you think Sam was jealous of though?

[@Rjensen2]

​@@PlutoTheGodEven people that knew Sam admit he was a real pos.

[@Rjensen2]

​@@arthurbrown4984Maybe because Sam's career was in the toilet. Dying was the best thing for his career.

[@scottbaker7104]

Sam was way bigger than bobkitten

[@imtheman4805]

It’s amazing how many true comedians say Sam was original and one of the best. Norm McDonald said the same about Sam Never heard a single comedian say the same about Bobcat.

[@chrisgullett4332]

No he was not bigger than Bobcat. Kinison was a decade older than Bobcat and started in 78, and hit it big in 85, Bobcat started in 80, and hit it big in 84. So just take it from 1985 to 1992 when Kinison died, and compare their careers. Kinison's career does not touch Bobcats, or come anywhere near it. Kinison was on the way out when he died. He was down to doing New Year's Eve hosting duties for FOX, which was the last thing he ever did on TV. Now were they both unique during that period of 85 to 92, yes, did they both make a splash, yes, but who had a bigger and better career during those 7 years, Bobcat. Kinison basically became known as an undependable, paranoid, erratic drug addict, and now 99% of the stories others tell of him are more about him doing drugs than anything else. Being well known for being an addict is not a good thing.

[@NothingToPointOut24]

Bobcat marrying a 20 year old Nikki Cox was his best accomplishment

[@Rjensen2]

Wow, you must not know much about comedy back then. 😂

[@Rjensen2]

​@@imtheman4805it's amazing how many people said he turned to absolute crap within a few years.

[@warrenforeigns4898]

I miss Eric the actor

[@mwg911hk]

I wish he could have hung around as cameo blew up..

[@sirloin7633]

Glad he is where he is. He deserves nothing less.

[@jaredmehrlich6683]

Ack Ack

[@theo4real1]

He was so nice at first. Then he turned into an ass. He was so angry at getting big.

[@warrenforeigns4898]

@@mwg911hk that would have been epic, probably would have overcharged and blamed Johnny when 0.0 people bought a cameo 😂

[@nachotube7012]

Ironic seeing that Howard stole his act from Steve Dahl

[@warwarneverchanges4937]

Bobcat Goldtwat said my dyslexia.

[@dyates6380]

I was a Hoo Hoo fan YEARS ago when he was on terrestrial radio - for a short time anyhow when I was driving to work in the morning in the city I was living in at the time. He was great, but the same old, same old got old kind of fast. Did Robin ever, ever go more than eight seconds without that stupid, half droning giggle she had? EVER? I wanted to scream after five minutes. I had to finally find better shows to listen to and I succeeded.

[@brutallyhonest123]

Linger Longer

[@bradlafferty6076]

A good rivalry

[@frodofraggins]

I liked Sam more except when he yelled. That was just a really annoying schtick.

[@RobertEllis-e7p]

That was his shtick, which he used to nauseum!

[@gocommitpasila]

me with my sibling be like

[@michaelcrockette8694]

never a fan of Kinison. maybe not a nice thing to say but glad Bobcat is still with us.

[@Rotary_Phone]

Why are they using a pic of Howard with Benjy Bronk in the thumbnail?

[@rondobson1828]

Bobcat and Sam weren't even in the same business.

[@SeanRCope]

Alcohol sucks. Don’t drink, get high if you need a crutch.

[@JenniferArbogast-rk7on]

Sam k does a great version of the song wild thing😂😂

[@chetrodin9656]

Man, Sam Kinnison comes off bad in this video. He sounds insecure and petty. Also, for someone who trashed a lot of people he sure is upset about a few comments by a fellow comedian.

[@alberts1985]

Sam always had to say some thing homophobic

[@discorp6443]

We did indeed see who won lol. Goldthwait by a mile.

[@cliffhamrickwrites2378]

Sam Kinnison stole Bill Hicks' act.

[@clarkkent4734]

Bill was a million times better than Sam. Sam's one note screaming gets old real fast.

[@grvlpts]

Dennis Leary famously stole from Bill Hicks (among others, including Louis CK) and when asked about it, Hicks said, "I have a scoop for you. I stole *his* act. I camouflaged it with punchlines, and to really throw people off, I did it before he did."

[@ricardocantoral7672]

Bill Hicks was a low rent George Carlin.

[@cliffhamrickwrites2378]

@@ricardocantoral7672 I think Bill Hicks would agree

[@grvlpts]

@@ricardocantoral7672 Dave Chappelle is today’s George Carlin.

[@MlewIs-qr5ot]

I doubt Sam Kinnison first comedian screamed

[@flagcoco69]

That was funny. Now do Andrew Dice Clay vs. Jay Leno.

[@RobertEllis-e7p]

Look, Sam Kinnison couldn't make it as a "fire and brimstone" preacher. So, he turned to comedy., using the same approach to comedy as he did to religion. Only this time he put down everything he supposedly stood for. I don't think Sam was that funny, the way he turned against God for fame and fortune. If anything. He was a fat, short somewhat amusing (at times) comedian.

[@ReinEngel]

I'd be extremely proud of being in Scrooged... the hell is Sam talking about?

[@rockypeppers1534]

I dont like either comic so its funny to listen to these two argue.

[@ghostwolf1435]

Oooh 😯 😮😮

[@GonzoShitcock]

This is from 1991 isn't it?

[@Gnomesmakemesmile]

Scrooged came out in 1988 so probably during 1988 . What I would give to back 😪

[@heggysarchive]

I think it's 17th March 1988

[@signoguns8501]

@@Gnomesmakemesmile How old were you in 88? 3? lol

[@theharshtruth8563]

I found Sam way more interesting as a person. To me, Bobcat was just "that guy" from Police Academy and that's it.

[@jamescarter3196]

LMAO, "way more interesting as a person", hilarious that you'd imagine that's meaningful when it's idiotic. So you identify with sexist crybabies who screech with unbridled anger at women who don't love his disgusting appearance and shitty attitude. Pathetic duders always love Sam and make up the dumbest shit imaginable to pretend like there's something 'great' about him when there wasn't.

[@WeeferKeef]

Sylvester Stallone is an embarrassment to everyone.

[@DistrustHumanz]

Yeah, he lost me long before he declared that every man, woman, and child should be on steroids (true story)

[@ricardocantoral7672]

What frustrates me about Stallone is that he possesses the gift of being a good actor and director. You then look at his filmography and there is scarce evidence of his abilities.

[@bb-gc2tx]

@@ricardocantoral7672 he was good in cop land but your right he could of been much better

[@Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble]

This seems like a work

[@jonathanryals9934]

Face it, both of these guys are spectacles of people wigged out on drugs. Like Robin Williams, tragically, we ultimately are paying to see the results of coke-fueled binges for our amusement.

[@Rjensen2]

Bobcat? I don't think so.

[@jamescarter3196]

Face it, you're making up total unscientific bullshit out of your silly self-held morality, not diagnosing anybody with anything.

[@frankieboy8414]

Wiggy, you ARE one of those no-talent deejays.

[@frankieboy8414]

@cock mcballs Yes I can say that. Please explain to me this so-called talent that you perceive. No talent, ripped off bits from Steve Dahl and other shows, needs a writer or funny antics from staff for the show to be tolerable. Just a complete piece of trash with no redeeming qualities, and on top of that, queer as a three dollar bill.

[@alexdee6776]

Who’s wiggy? That shit is not a sticking, give it up

[@PlutoTheGod]

@cockmcballs4577 notice the people who say that dumb shit are here on super obscure videos of his show from 30 years ago still listening. Obviously he’s not a no talent. The man is the best entertainment radio personality to have ever lived. I don’t think any other host could have single handedly carried Sirius the way he did either whether it was Limbaugh or Leno Sirius would not have gotten to where it is without Howard’s command of an audience

[@RyanPelley1]

Sam died not too long after that. Bobcat wins.

[@misterknightowlandco]

Yeah the guy from back to school and an episode of married with children arguing with the guy from police academy and the talking rabbit show… no wonder everyone hates boomers 😂

[@jamescarter3196]

Dumbest comment on the page dude, congratulations, it takes a lot to lower the bar in the comments on a KZbin video where one guy is known for screeching sexist anger and has an audience of crybabies to support him

[@manfredwedell]

Sam had a point

[@JamesCurtisOKC]

Bob was doing it first. This is fact.

[@andrewhoffman4245]

Oooooooo

[@ghettohxcskater]

Sam kinison sucked, he just yelled his bad punchlines

[@jamescarter3196]

And those punchlines of course were "WOMEN NEED TO FAWN OVER ME BUT THEY DON'T ARRRGGGHHH SO ANGRY AT WOMEN". The only funny thing about him is when he calmed down before launching into screaming again, which was funny for like a half-second just out of shock.

[@RobertEllis-e7p]

Finally a voice of reason!

[@okigi-wo5zm]

Kinison was the real deal. Bob was artificial.

[@rexyoumans8027]

Typical how the jew pelican makes it about himself

[@michaelroot6064]

Sam was terrible not funny at all

[@GuyWithTheThingOnTheTable]

He always sucked on the show. He was always too loaded, screaming and fake laughing

[@jamescarter3196]

I tried to like him but even the first time I saw him on Dangerfield's on HBO, even as a kid in the '80s who accepted more of the inherent sexism of the time, I thought his anger was really not funny at all. Reminds me of my dad, which is absolutely not a compliment-- another guy who demands everybody else has to be totally-civil so he can be the bellowing asshole calling everybody stupid and demanding women give themselves to him.

[@okigi-wo5zm]

Bob had one good joke his whole career.

[@Aivottaja]

Two Jews fighting, refereeing feigned by a third Jew.

[@jamesjameson4566]

GoldThwaite is an old English name from Yorkshire, don't let the gold bit fool you, kinison was southern babtist

[@Aivottaja]

@@jamesjameson4566 Conan O' Brien is from "Irish" Catholic parents, but mentions being "partly Jewish".

[@jamesjameson4566]

@@Aivottaja I never heard that before, I've seen him prancing around telling everyone he's Irish every second of every show.

[@jamesjameson4566]

@@Aivottaja I've just looked on his wiki it references his "entirely homogeneous ancestry" with other references to being 100% Irish Catholic

[@Aivottaja]

@@jamesjameson4566 I know. His gimmick is constantly reminding how ethnically Irish he is. That's why it's so weird. But this is what he says in "Conan O'Brien Can't Stop" documentary. It's in the part where the kids are trying to get into the show and talk to him. It's in KZbin.

[@okigi-wo5zm]

Kinison was great at stand up. Bob wasn't.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Howard Stern the sellout

[@DABA2024]

This is what 100% of losers say about people who change. Not “selling out” is what Stuttering John and Anthony Cumia look like in 2022 😅😂

[@DABA2024]

OMG The Honorable A Bortion!! Dude!! What an Edgelord!!! Why don’t you have your own morning show???: Fuck man, you’re just too edgy for us. Big Joe Rogan fan, huh?

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@DABA2024 Also, never listen to Rogan, don't like him.

[@mr.brenman2132]

@@DABA2024 Anthony Cumia is happy doing what he's doing and employs a full staff of people. Changing equals the Pelican not leaving his basement for 3 years. Therapy has made him more insane. He doesn't even do a fucking show anymore and they are paying him 100 million. Imagine supporting a guy that stinks because he's being paid a lot by the fools at Sirius.

[@mr.brenman2132]

@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 Rogan takes Stern to school and he does so without a corporate structure surrounding him.

[@francescodagostino3640]

Dice was kinda right about Sam being a bully...that said, no movie producer hires a drunk coked up comedian.

[@lennonacid]

No, instead the hire no-talent pedophiles.

[@happiness1772]

I dunno. Richard Pryor got plenty of work prior to setting himself on fire. After too.

[@francescodagostino3640]

@@happiness1772 true. But bro, you're taking about Richard Pryor, with all due respect to all other comedians, Pryor was ahead of his time, same with Carlin.

[@happiness1772]

@@francescodagostino3640 I'm not trying to defend Sam or anything. He comes across as an insecure drugged out jerk, at least before he got sober. But plenty of movie studios have hired actors/comedians that have substantial drug/alcohol problems. In some cases (see Judy Garland), they even caused and supported those problems.

[@francescodagostino3640]

@@happiness1772 definitely bro. if we go back in history that proves to be true. John Wayne, Peter O'Toole, Elvis...and the list goes on and on

what about weed?