Catamarans Suck

Catamarans Suck
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[@renatoardigo5829]

I've been sailing for over 35 years and have circumnavigated the globe multiple times. The first thing I've learned is humility and being careful about what I say. I've owned monohulls of various sizes, exploring different construction materials, from regular boats to high-performance ones. Currently, I own an aluminum catamaran designed for exploration. Why? It all depends on your project, whether you live aboard, the size of your crew, and how much time you'll spend at jetty. It also depends on what you want to see and visit. From the 70s to today, catamarans have undergone a complete transformation, offering extraordinary navigation choices. Naturally, they cost more! Everything is doubled: multihull instead of monohull, 2 rudders, 2 helms, 2 engines, and so on. Builders have higher costs and require more personnel. The catamaran market is continuously growing to meet different needs, and it's satisfying them. I won't go into extremely technical details, but I'm at your complete disposal if you want to discuss further. Marinas are undoubtedly more expensive, occupying 2 berths. If I'm not using my catamaran, I can charter it to cover the berth costs... try doing that with a monohull!! The satisfaction my catamaran is giving me is unmatched. It's much safer and more comfortable during ocean crossings, and the new sail plans allow for better upwind performance. With 2 engines I can safely anchor in any situation, and on the water, it's a fast ride... certainly not with catamarans like Lagoon; they serve a different purpose, not for Bluewater sailing. Maintenance-wise, my partner and I handle 70% of it ourselves. Catamarans have marvelous spaces and storage compartments everywhere. They are much easier to navigate. Now, if you want to talk about Draggerboards or Centerboards, that's a different story. If you've had a negative experience with a catamaran, I would advise you not to influence people who have a desire to sail because what you're saying might be partly true, but it always depends on how they're used. You would never buy new boats... You have no idea what you're talking about. They certainly cost much more, but they offer incredible guarantees and assistance... it's just a matter of your budget. I would never buy old boats; they're a real nightmare for ordinary people, not to mention the international insurance issues.

[@cheddarboyzz313]

😅😅😅😅 wow! Thanks for sharing

[@anon-zk6iz]

Which is the best all-rounded catamaran for trans Atlantic crossings?

[@renatoardigo5829]

I completely agree with what you're saying. We're not racers but cruisers, maybe that's why I prefer aluminum over a composite with carbon reinforcements, without taking away from the extreme quality of such hulls. We're also not into daggerboards. The maintenance of a boat must be constant and meticulously planned to the best extent possible. In the case of extraordinary events, one must accept them and be ready to face them; it's part of the game.Whatever boat a person buys should be suitable for what they want to do, and I advise studying it thoroughly before making a purchase. Every boat is alive, and you have to get to know it. The more complex they are, the more maintenance they require. Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it

[@anon-zk6iz]

@@renatoardigo5829 You are very knowledgeable mate and humble enough to reply to some of us plebs. So I thank you for this.

[@renatoardigo5829]

Hey there! The person writing to you is simply a sailor, so every opinion is extremely personal and subjective. There are various highly interesting catamarans on the market, but it all depends on your project. Let's start: How many people would be part of your crew? How much time do you intend to sail in a year? What is your budget (new or used)?* What is your experience and that of your crew? Have you already sailed on a catamaran? Are you capable of maintenance? Based on this information, I would be more than happy, just like many others, to give you my personal opinion. Personally, I always start with the construction material. Let me know and fair winds!

[@Cybiz777-og4cj]

This is like saying luxury cars suck because I can’t afford one

[@viarnay]

you don't understand that for the price of a cat you can get a better monohull :-)

[@GeorgeMcKenna-kz9qx]

Catamaran Vs. Monohull - A Comprehensive View From the Owners of Both - KZbin A simple and straight forward process to weigh out and balance your personal options. Take your time, follow their outline.

[@TheEdge92]

@@viarnay No you can't. Monos alwas heel. As someone who wants to enjoy life on board and work on board monos are not an option. Also everything takes 3-5 times as much time and energy if you heel through even medium waves.

[@viarnay]

@@TheEdge92 There are a ton of people living and doing them own life stuff on monohulls bruh..

[@TheEdge92]

@@viarnay Yeah sure it's possible. Though even Kazza from Delos lately said how happy they are to switch to a catamaran as they were AGAIN rolling as fuck in an anchorage rendering them so exhausted they weren't comfortable working on their computers. And you're rolling all the time in a monohull. Check out James from Zingaro at the easter islands... there was that one moment they saw other people probably being extremely uncomfortable in their monohulls. Rolling is just a chronically recurring exhaustion/annoyance on monohull you absolutely can't do very much about. And these are one of the instances on a monohull where your ability to do productive work is equal to 0. But I won't even want to imagine how it is jsut sailing like 7-13 degrees heeled. Not even starting to speak about increased tendency that this then even goes down into sea sickness/nausea when reading/concentrating on text/screen in CONSTANT HEAVILY moving environment.

[@sproket168]

A Catamaran = comfort and safety If you can't afford if you can't afford it. They dont suck, you just didn't have enough money.

[@vmigop]

A million dollar monohull blows away a million dollar cat in comfort, safety, and beauty.

[@bitcoin4life]

@@vmigop Beauty is always subjective...safety? Nope! Higher speed, almost unsinkable, almost impossible to capsize, less draught. Comfort? Now you are being ridiculous.

[@jeanmuyuela8112]

@@vmigop i thought one true advantage of Cats is comfort. This video is poor and just complain that Catamarans are expensive. One thing he said about noise but did not properly elaborate why its more noisy... The guy and you sounds like you are just some kind of a monohull elitist lol.

[@jamesrichey5334]

@@jeanmuyuela8112 They are more noisy because sound echoes between the two hulls. You get used to it after a few trips and it's really not that bad.

[@BondJFK]

​​@@vmigop You just need a 2 million dollar catamaran to perform a million dollar monohull again it's a matter of money but safety you can't match even half million dollar catamaran is safer than Million monohull

[@nathancochran4694]

An old salt once told me that every boat is a compromise somewhere, and that learning to sail is the easy part, the hard part is learning which compromises you are willing to live with.

[@idib1739]

Like Marriage 👌

[@billyehh]

Very true

[@supliiiiiieeeeees]

All I hear is a boat that is twice as big costs twice as much. 😆

[@robertewalt7789]

More than twice as much.

[@timdunn2257]

The tech level is important to this. Epoxy/triaxial carbon fiber costs a whole lot more than polyester / e-glass mat and woven roving.

[@ultraveridical]

"I'm poor therefore catamarans suck" is the proper title of this video.

[@artsmith103]

Lucky people are poor and can't buy a catamaran. Unlucky people get poor owning a catamaran and have to stop sailing.

[@jeanmuyuela8112]

@@artsmith103 to be fair. only rich people owns a boat of any kind period. this guy is rich just not at the catamaran level LOL. Its funny how people say "Affordable to most people" when it comes to boat... more than 90% of the people could not afford a cheap monohull boat LOL

[@artsmith103]

@@jeanmuyuela8112 Almost everyone I know owns one or 2 boats.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Don't get things confused my dude, I can go buy a cat if I wanted to, I simply don't want the running costs

[@artsmith103]

@@ChasingLatitudes The only catamaran upside I see is having children on board. For adults, you can only be in one part of boat at a time: cockpit, cabin, berth. If each of those is comfortable then more is not valuable. That happens 37-40ft and a little bigger makes provisioning easier.

[@gregpeterson4348]

I owned a SF 40 for a decade. I ran it mostly between Florida & the Bahamas. I never thought it "sucked", nor did any of my guests. I was hauled in Florida and in the Bahamas, no problem. It is much cheaper to keep a boat (any boat) in the Bahamas than in Florida (1 Month in Florida = 1 year in the Bahamas). The sailing action is much "snappier", the catamaran always tries to assume the attitude of the seas, not the rolling of the monohulls, should you get tired of walking on the walls. I especially liked the fact that my boat did not have a lead keel trying to drag it to the bottom. My boat would not sink ! Take on water if holed, sure, but sink ? never. Downside is, all catamarans pound when the waves get sufficiently large. They also encourage putting more "stuff" on the boat than you should have. Catamarans are VERY comfortable, fast, and rugged. I would also add that I frequently single handed my boat, no crew needed. Give them a look.

[@robbyrucker140]

Great info. I'd love to live that life. Never heard the Bahamas deal on boat. That's the trick

[@pknapp6]

What marinas in the Bahamas are reasonable cost wise to keep a 40 foot cat? Thanks

[@timdunn2257]

Pounding in a catamaran is mostly a function of bridgedeck clearance, which varies a lot.

[@gregpeterson4348]

@@timdunn2257 Yes, the clearance varies a lot. I would say anything under 1.5 feet will be hard to live with. Look at the SF 50, to the best of my knowledge, it does not pound, whatever the sea state.

[@jacksonletts3724]

I’m not sure a 40ft monohull is a great comparison to a 40ft catamaran. The catamaran is a lot more boat space-wise and doesn’t have the same hull speed limitation. I would think a better comparison is with a larger mono hull.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Was more of just a price comparison, I would get a catamaran if I could afford it

[@DB-lk5tt]

So catamaran’s suck because you can’t afford one?

[@KingLionover9000]

@@DB-lk5tt yes

[@alexshyshkov8585]

Exactly. It's not apples-to-apples comparison

[@G0nz4x]

yeah, talking about how everything cost double and how it takes double the space in yard or the marina, while purposely ignoring you got double the boat too. Although get it, 40 is the bare minimum you want for crossings so that's why the comparison is so unbalanced.-

[@syncacct8576]

If it kills your bank account, you have a too expensive a boat for your balance sheet. Cats are great, more expensive does not make them bad.

[@TheDMC63]

This guys wife left him for someone who owns a catamaran

[@michaelking4578]

I was going to buy a 40' Catamaran but now I think I'm just going to buy a jet ski.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Hahah, thats alright, for the price of a 40 ft cat you could get a far better mono or a really nice paddleboard

[@gregorydamario7977]

@@ChasingLatitudes Or lots and lots of tickets on cruise ships with restaurants, casinos and a swimming pool.

[@timdunn2257]

LOL. And a barge trailing along behind for the fuel?

[@sergest-pierre6160]

I love catamaran. They are great to live on. Lots of space outside, where you want to be, not in the basement. But you are right, too expensive to purchase and to maintain. Sadly, I cannot afford one.

[@lucaschueli984]

Not rely true...there are only fewer used ones, because only lately people realize how much more better they are so there few old ones for sale.

[@jamesaron1967]

Catamaran owners can almost invariably afford these additional costs, otherwise they'd be looking at more affordable solutions, i.e., monohulls. Everyone knows catamarans command a higher price at a port due to their width. It's one of the first things prospective owners learn about cats in their research about them. Higher maintenance expenses is also not a big surprise. Two hulls, two motors, etc., obviously require more upkeep. They're larger vessels for any given length, so figure twice the upkeep of the same length monohull being a good rule of thumb. The way this video is presented it's as if there's hidden costs to catamaran ownership that aren't knowable until a purchase is made. Not the case. It's common knowledge except to landlubbers or people who never owned a boat. That said, I appreciate the info on insurance and other aspects of cat ownership. The bottom line is that catamarans (and trimarans) are usually _intended_ for the well-to-do except for the very smallest and cheapest of models. Even monohulls aren't cheap to own and operate in the long run. Sailing of any kind isn't a cheap hobby.

[@oldrubbishandspam]

Daft as a brush. To make an honest comparison based on size you need to consider two similar vessels: a 40ft cat vs a 60+ft mono; then you'll be considering something similar. Now compare the storage, haul-out, insurance, rigging, and sail wardrobe costs. Waterline length alone isn't the be-all and end-all. Everything else about cat vs mono is about where you are happy to compromise since both have their own, but very different, strengths and weaknesses.

[@indecent2486]

Greetings from Australia, I’ve been a cat guy for 30 years and totally understand what you are say except for noise mine is quiet as …. You are correct and now at 68 I’m upgrading my 45’ cat and and am looking to sell her and go to the dark side and half a boat. Your stated pricing except for haul out here in Aus is correct. We have to replace standing rigging every 10 years and mine is now being done at $9700.00….. sails - correct…. I am hoping to sell and somehow getting out of this shithole and buying a mono offshore … love your productions and at my age money is very important so hopefully I can switch back to half a boat and sail the rest of my life over the horizon

[@gerardhand1954]

Half a boat? A monohull is a proper boat. If I was out on the ocean I wouldn't be on a cat I wouldn't feel safe.

[@steveedlund3218]

Stay with the Cat and enjoy the time you have to spend on the water.

[@TheAirperri]

try Garcia alluminium boat.

[@catamaranmentor]

With ten tonnes a lead ready to drag you down? @@gerardhand1954

[@timdunn2257]

I've had sailboats with and without standing rigging. I'll take without, thank you very much.

[@The_guy_on_the_internet]

I'm on the market for a multi-hull, a Neel trimaran more specifically. Valid points you make, but if you plan to live aboard long term, at least for me comfort and space is more important and worth the price. I plan to work from my boat, and I could rent out 2 guest cabins to close friends who also are digital nomads to offset the higher maintenance costs. Sailing, I get less seasick on a trimaran than on a mono-hull (Have too little experience on cats to compare) and am generally more comfortable in one - not a big fan of heeling all the time. A multi-hull feels safer - it takes a lot more to flip one compared to a cat.If you hit a container or whatever and a hull is compromised, you're less likely to sink on a cat and even less so on trimarans.

[@dancarter482]

@ABC gang Race boats maybe, but you'd have to be seriously trying to do EVERYTHING wrong to get a cruising multi to invert. Most will break the rigging long before even flying a hull.

[@timdunn2257]

I don't think that's true. Tris are about 2/3 beam to DWL, and cats 1/2, but the lever arm for righting moment on a tri is the cl for the main hull to one of the outriggers, so less than for a cat which is cl to cl for the two hulls.

[@dominictarrsailing]

yeah, but your drinks don't fall over my haul out is free because I just park on the beach and let the tide go out. actually not sure why you say it's noisy?

[@dominictarrsailing]

I have a wharram, would totally agree that about cost-suck of any plastic condomaran though!

[@linhai69]

If you don't have any money don't buy a boat!

[@user-mj6sl9qv8j]

if we're focusing on affordability. if you live-aboard, anchor off a lot then cats make a lot more sense - using them just for holidays for sure you need to have a lot of spare cash and Id go for a mono on that basis. our cat doubles as a house, most of the year while we rent out our home. could no longer live like that on a mono with our family and friends

[@roadboat9216]

As a professional, I totally agree with you. I am a 100 ton Master, US Sailing Instructor, and Scuba Instructor. Have run Charter yachts, ferries, and worked as a yacht broker. Have cruised tens of thousands of miles on my own cruising boats. You are right on! I love multi’s. They are wonderful. IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY. Buy a cheap one and you will regret it. Don’t have the money to properly maintain one? Look out. I can buy a hi-quality cruising mono for under a hundred K. One that will go pretty much anywhere. Put maybe 10-20 more into it. And I’m gone. Boat paid for, in good shape and well equipped mid 40’s size. And I have plenty left over to actual go out and enjoy cruising! Quality multi’s, they are great. Again……IF you have lots of money.

[@comanche180]

Buy a cheap monohull and you’ll regret it too

[@roadboat9216]

@@comanche180 I agree but they are structurally more forgiving. I know many people cruising the world on Hunters and Bennys. Yes a keel could fall off. Or a rudder break. I think what bothers me the most is the money spent. You might spend 30-100K on a used Hunter or Benny. But a cruising cat is going to for. The most part set you back hundreds of thousands. Ouch! Many have sailed quit extensively on $10k 50 plus yr old monos.

[@kless001]

Bragging about being a Scuba Instructor 😂

[@timdunn2257]

@@roadboat9216 I sailed across the Pacific in the 70s. My old boat is still out there cruising, still going strong with the original unstayed masts!

[@roadboat9216]

@@kless001 All part of my maritime experience/credentials. Diving has been as much of a passion as sailing. Why not let them bring me some income too.

[@murphmurph2124]

Cats don't suck, the cost does

[@aPL330]

You are comparing eggs and bananas, and in the process you are ridiculous. 1. compare boats not only by length, but rather by Volume. A 40' catamaran is more roomy than a 55 foot monohull, and a brand new 40' catamaran is cheaper than a 55' monohull ! 2. your big monohull will have a big keel, making any shallow water lagoon, marina and even some beaches unreachable, while a cat has a draft between 1 and 1.4 meters only (vs 2.6 or more) 3. go and grab that anchor once it is tangled in a rock 6-7 meters deep into the water, when only about 3m is needed for a catamaran 4. lose your keel and you are in a world of pain BTW: why on earth would you design a boat with several tons of lead under the water line? 5. you can easily beach a catamaran, and rest on its hulls, or on its mini keels >> try to do the same with your mono hull 6. In a cat, you living room and kitchen are way on top of the water>> you will be less prone to seasickness. On a monohull your kitchen and living room is under the sea level. you will tilt, and go sea sick very easily. and try to rest on the front cabin when you are under any formed sea... ... I could go on and on... ask any woman that had the chance to spend some sailing time on a cat, to tell you what she prefers... if you like monohulls, great, keep doing sailing them, but dot bullshit people with your nonsenses

[@davidlester6673]

If people can aford a cat then I am sure they can aford the extra cost of things, so this probably is not a good reason to avoid a cat. I think you might just be projecting.

[@paulkopp3634]

All this is true but if your wife hates living at 45 % and most of them do .

[@paulkopp3634]

I’d rather she cook a great meal without half of it ending up on the floor and the walls .

[@rickylefleur2158]

rotfl... Happy wife, good life

[@ozwrangler.c]

Sailing runs at 45% is fun, not living that way or swaying that much at anchor 😂 (wife here)

[@WTHenry2023]

​@@paulkopp3634that's what gimbals are for. 😆

[@johngroom7665]

To be a true comparison you need to compare square foot of vessel if your buying a cat you are buying for the extra room . So compare a 40ft cat with a 65ft -70ft mono is comparable in volume of vessel . Then see how your figures stack up . Do the math sq ft of each design .

[@13bigcrimson94]

She won’t do that math mate, all her complaints don’t equal 100k. Has time to judge others lives instead of living. So sad 😢

[@InvistanoExteriorcomEricoSouza]

I don't get it. Just watched another of your videos saying that Catamaran is the only way to go. Anyway. Loving your feud with Lady K

[@datfabulousminh]

i used to dream of owning one but then this video hit me with a book of reality and now i mma just stick to sushi. Thank u so much for the realistic cost of owning cool boat.

[@IssacTrotts]

Better title: "Catamarans are expensive and noisy."

[@mustlovedogs272]

If you like being at a 45 degree angle all day long and while you sleep then get a damn monohull.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Tell me you've never sailed without telling me you've never sailed

[@mustlovedogs272]

@@ChasingLatitudes FU

[@captainjimolchs]

Even racing, I have not sailed at 45 degrees. It is inefficient. All sailors know that.

[@calmauric8218]

Ive noticed some awesome big mono hulls for under 100k.... but in that same price bracket, all the cats are floating projects.

[@alterego157]

Like with everything else in life... it depends. For nice weather pleasure cruising off the coast with lots of friends and family, cats are absolutely superior. No question about it. It's not even a discussion. 40ft cat gives a you a comparatively huge day space, both closed and open area. It's a floating house. You go to the basement only for sleeping. But then again if that's your use case, it may be smarter to just rent it a few times a year for a few days or weeks. For full time or long term sailing, crossing oceans, rough seas, etc... where absolute safety, cost, and maintenance are priority... yeah, if it's a 40ft I'd definitely choose a U-boat/basement type vessel. Especially if more often than not you're alone on the boat. For that use case monohull is absolutely superior.

[@herbys68]

You are comparing cost based on the length of the ships, completely ignoring the fact that utility-wise a catamaran is equivalent to a monohaul almost twice its length. That completely invalidate the whole analysis you are doing. Please do it again comparing two ships of comparable internal volume.

[@bgauthi1]

Cats are really only viable for people with way more money than the average sailor. Would I like the comfort of a cat? Sure. But reality is if you want to maximize the amount of time (years) you can afford to sail a mono is the best choice for 95% of all sailors.

[@steveedlund3218]

I wouldn't last a day in a coffin box mono hull. I'm way too clostriphbic. There are inexpensive Cats out here.

[@billhanna8838]

Iv owned delivered crewed raced Cats , Try's , Monos & you forgot to mention what its like in 50Kts in a cat/try - The only time in many 1000s of miles iv had to change my undies is on a CAT/TRY , Try laying a hull or even froing a drogue over the side ... Not good .

[@paulbriggs3072]

But other than those things, you fully endorse them right?

[@tanyalove6983]

My 15,000 monohull comes with 2 anchors 12 sails a 52 hp Mercedes engine with hydraulic drive. Hmmmm it is steel with a built in keel so that I can smash things and it won't sink. Sounds good to me. It is a ketch everything looks new.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Shoukd be interesting, steel sailboats have a whole other world all together

[@ericvelasquez1282]

Title of video should be "Bigger boat cost more money!" .. well duh!

[@kevinbaker8405]

Chris - I’m not gay and I don’t “identify” as any part of the LBGTQ -XYZ or ABC group. But I LOVE YOU MAN!!

[@sharoncole4566]

My 48' cat is expensive - but ohhhh that comfort. Haha

[@ChasingLatitudes]

I'm jealous

[@patrikmeijer7437]

“Boats are expensive, bigger boats even more expensive.”

[@ChasingLatitudes]

True

[@stevendonoghue2499]

Boughten???

[@ZoneTelevision]

I heard that too. Lol

[@SailingAnja]

29 foot monohull here.. and i love cats but wouldn't want to own one....EVER!!

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Love it, I absolutely love 30 footers

[@markymarknj]

Chris, I was going to rule out catamarans simply for budgetary reasons alone; your video confirmed it. Though it may not be 100% accurate, as a rule of thumb, just double your costs on a cat; there's two of everything.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

They are great, just expensive and as you can see by the comments, if you hurt the fragile ego of the fan boys by stating in very simple terms , they are expensive then oh man here they come to defend , cracks me up

[@lucaschueli984]

That such a mindset still exists in 2022 is astonishing?! and you compare a 40ft cat to a 35 or 40 ft monohull? Compare it with a 5O ft and then even the high Marina price can be explained. And cats don't need deep marinas and haul out. I've had 39ft cat since 1979 and a 42 ft, too. I sailed from the Med to Thailand 40 years ago, then chartered for many years in the Mergui archipelago. Only hauled out once in a marina and even that was a mistake!

[@ChasingLatitudes]

@@lucaschueli984 yes cats need to be hauled out occasionally , I compared vessels based on price point , for the same price you can get a far newer mono, if you want to compare based on size and price you will get a far newer and larger mono for the same price and running costs will be far far less, this is not an opinion , its a fact, you are literally trying to debate that 2 plus 2 is not four, I can assure you it is

[@lucaschueli984]

@@ChasingLatitudes sorry for the late answer. There are lots of cheap catamarans on the market, too. Not even speaking about Wharrams. The way to compare boats is by volume. And no, if you have solid bottoms or fixed keels and a minimum of tide you can do all your work on a protected beach or, if you really want to be on hard ground go on rollers or a trailer and have a tractor pull you out very cheaply. Most Marinas are not made for multihulls who would not need the deep water.

[@stanleybest8833]

How do you right a catamaran when it flips over?

[@stanleybest8833]

@ABC gang I never sailed a crane.

[@terryroth9707]

They really don't flip all that often. They have even removed the requirement for escape hatches under the deck. If you flip a cat, you're sailing crazy, such as not reefing in time, etc.

[@stanleybest8833]

@@terryroth9707 nooooo. Once is too much for me. Boats routinely roll or pitchpole. You tie everything down. I thought someone had a way to right them I never thought of.

[@terryroth9707]

@stanley best Check out this video on design. About half way through they discuss the righting moment of a cat.

[@dustman96]

How do you get a monohull off the bottom?

[@youtubecomments5951]

You can’t compare a 40’ monohull to a 40’ cat. It’s more like a 55’ monohull imo.

[@tomhenry4993]

So true, especially 'do it right the first time'!

[@sailinghawaiianstyle1935]

Thanks for scaring off potential cruisers and keeping the anchorages empty.

[@jimc1586]

I’m buying a cat because I want the space and stability. I don’t care about the expense.

[@MeeOhio]

I love the cat I was told that if you ask how much money to gas it… you should not buy one… I’m working to figure out what it would cost so I have a better idea. Boat is an expensive hobby. Love it

[@reginalcarrar9478]

Cats are WAY faster, and WAY more comfortable! Some of the cats are sailing at 20knts rugularly like its nothing. Plus the no listing is nice. It gets old standing sideways for days on end.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Agree

[@billyehh]

As a cat owner I partially agree. If you want a cat that will sail 20 knots comfortable, you are looking at well over 1 million dollars and maybe over two. You average cruising cat is 20 to 30 percent faster than a cruising monohull. You will not be able to point as well either. I am usually happy doing 8 knots in my Voyage 380 and ecstatic if I get to a sustainable 10 knots. As a snowbird cruiser in my late 70's, I rarely go to marinas in the Eastern Caribbean. Anchoring out is where it particularly shines. Little or no rocking and rolling. The extra living space is a bonus since you are doing much more anchoring than sailing. I tell my guests, "Think 3 bedrooms, 2 baths". Admittedly smaller, but still comfortable and safe.

[@timdunn2257]

Don't buy into the PR. Cruising cats sail about 20% faster than cruising monos, DWL for DWL. So, a 20 day voyage on a mono is a 24 day voyage on a cat. As the pounds aboard go up, the speed drops drastically on a cat.

[@billyehh]

@@timdunn2257 I think you got that backwards, and I agree, if you want to go fast you have to keep it light.

[@timdunn2257]

You need to clarify what boats you mean. Ordinary cruising cats average maybe 20% more than cruising monohulls. If you mean faster than that, you are talking about ultra-light heavily crewed multihulls, usually very long. For real speed, you need hydrofoils and calm seas.

[@josephlevacher995]

Thanks Chris. A vid about boat maintenance, what to do, how much... I don't know, do something...

[@pickledpigknuckles6945]

Build your own Drydock might be an option for a very few people

[@terryroth9707]

And those few people can probably afford a catamaran. Lol

[@jeroenjansen2709]

I agree with you! We have rough seas here and catamarans simple aren't as strong as monohulls under these conditions

[@calledout4437]

Don’t really know but I have to believe a brand new catamaran is not that expensive in the beginning. Surely the high cost maintenance and such doesn’t happen for a few years.

[@VisualizeLeaving]

Do ysed catamarans not come with anchors

[@captainjimolchs]

New one's usually do not.

[@rafaelmartinmeuldijk6030]

Okay ! ... what about a U-boat?

[@stenorn84]

That's a good one

[@captainjimolchs]

Expensive to run.

[@johnpotts7846]

One of the better sea boats I have sailed is a 40-foot Norman Cross trimaran. I sure would like to a buy a Cross, or Horstman. All vessels are a tangle of choices. What does the Skipper want for the challenges ahead? I have also owned a 44-foot Cecil Norris ferro boat. She was one hell of a wave basher. I spent most of the Winter sailing her in the Straits of Georgia and Straits of Juan de Fuca. Now and then get a few crabs or a small salmon. A good boat is a good boat, simple as that.

[@Webdesign360dk]

Catamaran do NOT sucks, they are just more expensive. Same as service on a Rolls Royce is more expensive than a service on a Kia, but that does not make Rolls Royce sucks. You can not compare apples with bananas.

[@hterrebrood]

The drone footage over Aberdeen, Hong Kong at 1:55 is really nice. I kept a boat there for a couple of decades.

[@andressoares3260]

Catamarans don´t suck then... what does is bein poor.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Very true

[@Wowwow-wl3kx]

if i have money enough to buy catamalan, i will buy monohull with same price one.

[@SailingTeamTallyHo]

Hopefully this advice will actually save some lives. I known so many people over the years as a bareboat certifier captain who have lost all of their life savings..and thats just the start.

[@MrZooobaaa]

"I'm strictly looking at the bankaccount" he says moments after ranting about the noise!

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Here is a secret, I sail around 30,000 NM a year, how much do you sail ?

[@MrZooobaaa]

@@ChasingLatitudes not even 1, whats your point?

[@ChasingLatitudes]

@@MrZooobaaa thought so

[@MrZooobaaa]

@@ChasingLatitudes Again, whats your point? You made the point that you did not talk about how they sail, handle or the comfort since the video is strictly about the economics. And you do it 10 seconds after the noise rant! I dont need to be a sailer to recognize the foolishness.

[@davidhastoglis]

Video Translation: “I can’t afford a nice catamaran therefore I’m bitter as shit.”

[@cogitoergospud1]

So your point is, a boat that is twice as large (in volume) costs more. Wow, who would have thought it. Thanks, Capt. Obvious.

[@TheEdge92]

Multis are literally the only choice left because I'm going to work on my boat(Coding/Marketing) so I need a stable liveaboard experience. Therefore ALL MONOS SUCK! Money is - or can be - no issues these days. If you got a dream/plan there are plenty of ways these days to make serious legit money.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

I would take a cat over a mono just Don't tell anyone

[@brianlitz5102]

Do your bittom every year? Are you insane? Noise? I have lived on my monohull and never had an issue with noise.

[@pknapp6]

I was going to buy a catamaran until I heard how expensive the anchors are.

[@clarkd1955]

So sailing at 45 degrees is a much better ride than a relatively flat catamaran. What a dope!

[@captainjimolchs]

People who let sail sailboats go to 45 degrees are dopes.

[@skywongsuwan365]

Cats are awesome except they are twice the price to maintain. Everything is almost double. It's like a mono over 40 ft all of a sudden things get more expensive.

[@reticenti6365]

Your so right about wasting time in boat yards.

[@WTHenry2023]

I raced Hobie Cats back in the day so that made me imterested in a Cruising Cat. However, after watching the O'Kellys operating cost breakdown, I scratched that from my list. I have also seen the problems that Sailing Nahoa and Sailing with the Wynns had with their catd. Their are a lot of used 40 ft monos that can be bought for "a steal". I am currently eyeing the Island Packet for Blue Water cruising.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

They are spendy to run

[@samaeri]

people who aren't concerned with cost you get a lot more out of a catamaran

[@MrSeachaser175]

I totally agree the the statement about sanding the bottom, been there done that! That job truly does SUCK! 😣

[@MrSeachaser175]

Please explain what you mean by I lack wisdom?

[@MrSeachaser175]

@@ottifantiwaalkes9289 Well let me explain then, I’m 62 and I’ve been a yacht captain 👨‍✈️ for the last 45 years or so, I currently run a 2000 65 Viking Sportfish and look after the owners 50 Catalina sloop (which is currently on dry dock having her bottom painted) and I used to maintain a Robertson and Caine 39’ Catamaran for a number of years, I did a number of haul outs on her. So the I must have done over 100 haul outs, so I’m well versed in in that field, I’ve used a verity of Anti-fouls from the ablative to the hard Anti-fouls and all leave a paint build up which needs to be sanded before a fresh coat gets put on, and after ten years or so the build up gets so thick that it causes lots of drag plus you start getting adhesion problems as the paint gets older and older requiring the old paints to be removed and again sanding the hull get it smooth. I’ve done about 90 percent of this work at the Rodney Bay Boatyard here in St.Lucia 🇱🇨 maybe you should visit this yard to see for your self the sanding of hulls, also there is a large fleet of Moorings catamarans here that are on dry dock every day having their bottoms sanded and painted. I hope that enlightens you that when I make a comment on KZbin I really do know what I’m talking about. I do not make those kinds of comments lightly. As the expression goes “Please be guided accordingly”

[@Sy_hh]

Strange take. I guess the TLDR(V?) is don't buy a boat you can't afford. A better take is: Catamarans are 5X more expensive to buy, but only 2X more expensive to own. That makes them a "deal" in the long run 😉. Now add all the other great perks of speed, draft, safety, space, manoeuvrability and you have one hell of a fun boat... for those that can afford them. Personally I'm a trimaran fan. I like the higher speed, greater topside, even less draft, and I don't need a boat that can sleep all my relatives and cousins.

[@captainjimolchs]

Production catamarans are only marginally faster at their lowest weight category. Crew and equipment are reduced. That tends to limit the advantage of a "bigger" boat.

[@MaShcode]

Some look at a marina and see pretty boats. I look at a marina and see rotting decks and abandoned dreams.

[@iannmiller]

Yeah, but what’s the benefit of a catamaran ?

[@captainjimolchs]

The wife is happy?

[@ZoneTelevision]

Catamarans: If I were to choose a cat (and I could afford it) I’d probably go with something like a Chris White or a Gunboat. On Budget: Shuttleworth, or even a Wharram or a Shoenning Trimaran: Chris White Hammerhead, Newick traveler, Echo 36 , dragon fly 40, Monohull: older - I’d go with a schooner no more than 50-ish feet . There “fast” enough, comfortable and offer copius of deck space. Some will smoke a reach at 15 knots. They can also take a pounding as well. Modern: (if I could afford it) Santa Cruz 50, J111, Pogo 12M The key to finding a fast Monohull is really the hull shape either slender and not too “Beamy” or a semi-planing hull.

[@ChasingLatitudes]

Not the boats I would get but always get what works for you best

[@Strngbru]

Extremely helpful information! I had no idea. Thanks.

[@reticenti6365]

You don't need a mantis anchor. A delta works fine. And it's much cheaper.

[@AfterDeath1986]

Or sarca excel ^^

[@ChasingLatitudes]

You get the drift I assume

[@mattwright7042]

growing up at the beach and my dad pushing his hobie cat out into the surf i have a natural inclination towards cats. itll be a few before i get a real boat. a large factor for me is not wanting to be sideways all the time. i also really like the idea of being able to beach it.

[@jamesaron1967]

There are many positives to cat ownership as there are negatives. It's what negatives one is willing to accept or not accept that will define the purchase parameters.

[@pickledpigknuckles6945]

👁️ 110% approve & Certify your opinion not to be unique or strange or singular or unusual your not the only one with such an opinion

[@capnjak69]

I Love how you tell it like it is

[@jacobfield4848]

Catamaran's have better quality of life. Monohull's have better value for money.

[@WeirdViking]

Good job dude, keep it up. Perhaps if we bat mouth them enough, nobody will want them, the prices will come down and then KA-CHING! :O

[@gavinhensley3743]

All your negatives are aimed at cost, have you ever thought the people buying a catamaran are more likely to be okay with a higher cost?

[@carlbeaver7112]

In other words, what you're saying is you can't afford a catamaran but you would rather declare they suck vs. saying your income sucks.

[@benhogan4739]

This video hilarious, not because comment and content within, a catamaran or mono might be best option for your needs.

[@wyorunner7235]

So what you’re saying is, I should buy atleast two hulls? Possibly even three? Great info as always.

[@alexzanderroberts995]

Buy 2 hulls put them together, and make your own catamaran

[@clee5653]

The points you made are all legits, but you have to also consider 1) cats are usually more roomy than monos, so maybe a 30ft cat is more comparable a 40ft mono, in this case not that much extra overhead 2) cats can be easily beached, no reaon for them to stay long term in marinas anyway. While I'm planning to buy a small mono, cat would be my choice if I win the lottery and want a bigger boat.

[@metamoney7657]

The reason I watch this channel is because of the insides about the insurance companies and the real about sailing I can’t stress enough how valuable it is to know about this info because nobody else talks about the “boring stuff” but sailing isn’t all dolphins and seagulls people like that are bound to end up #sunk

[@mrbullfinch]

Dude tell it as it is! 🤣 I love your videos!

[@TM-tw1py]

I would add that for most people the monohull yacht makes much more sense due to size and cost. Cats in the 40' to 46' length range make a lot of sense, especially for chartering in the Carribean and a few similar places. Those catamarans are quite wonderful. This size is equivalent to a monohull with a size of say 46' to 60's in length. Those sizes are dramatically larger than the very large majority of sailors can afford, or can even dock in their marinas or clubs. My rule of thumb is if a monohull is smaller than 45' serves your needs well, there is absolutely no reason to consider a catamaran.

[@captainjimolchs]

A mono-hull chartered in the Caribbean does not require air conditioning. And I don't need to bring along a dozen friends to make the price reasonable.

[@overlord00]

Cats are awesome. I don't like to be constrained on a cubicle surrounded by water.

[@nextari]

Catamaran = Floating Apartment. Monohull = Living in a Submarine 60% of the time.

[@PA96704]

Sailed from SF to Hawaii on my friends 50' Cat. I never went back. My coffee never spilled and we hit 18kts. Avg 6-8kts was another huge factor after crossing in 14 days. Down seas we were very safe and at anchor we had a floating house. Cats is the only way!

[@timdunn2257]

That's a downwind ride. Tell us about the trip back! You weren't aboard, were you?

[@PA96704]

@@timdunn2257 boats in Samoa now brother. Circumnavigation usually goes down hill 😉 as much as possible.

[@timdunn2257]

@@PA96704 Yup. I sailed from Seattle to Hong Kong via the South Pacific, downwind when possible. Sailing to windward in big swells is horrible! I also did a LA to Honolulu to Seattle to LA voyage in a typical Marconi fin keel clorox bottle.

[@captainjimolchs]

@@timdunn2257 For the return trip, head north, catch the westerlies.

[@timdunn2257]

@@captainjimolchs That's exactly what I did. Fun fact, we were followed by a huge oceanic white tip shark for a day and a half. Heading north, we had light Kona (southerly,) winds.

[@wreckleskelly]

Comparing a 40' cat to a 40' mono isn't really fair. Should compare to a 50-60' mono for the equivalent space

[@WTHenry2023]

There's a guy in the thread that does it. Excellent analysis. He is choosing the 55 ft mono

[@franckbrunie4759]

You´re comparing oranges with apples. A 40ft cat is 4 cabins like a 45+ft monohull, and still much more living space.

[@bernardputersznit64]

well a cat is three times wider thn mono, so not a cost surprise - one gets a lovely living room betwixt the two hulls . . .

[@captainjimolchs]

For entertaining guests? And increased wind-age above the water line.

[@JayF-TX]

Did you say “we haven’t boughten the vessel yet”? Is this English?